Gay Mafia 3: Trumpocalypse Now D8

[Tammy]

Tammy am I town

I *think* so. I have you leaning there but I don't trust any of my leaning town reads, not exactly sure why.

I'm not town enough...

It's probably not you, it's probably just me. Sometimes I get into this state of not trusting my reads, usually it means I'm trying to town read someone that I shouldn't be, or sometimes just not ready to trust. I'm hoping it wears off in a day or two because thinking everybody in the room is scum is miserable and helps no one.

[Tammy]

Ya know what we should do?
We should FLASHWAGON ABR!
10outa10 idea.
Like apparently Titus was like "Anyone who read cyberpunk should know by now that ABR was scum."
and I actually agreed with her on something after I read cyberpunk.
Like, call it a miracle.
-Ali

Yes, this is why I'm scum reading him. And I'm wigged that nacho acknowledged that he looked like cyberpunk him but also didn't want to vote him because he made him laugh.

My only only hesitation here is how hard I tunneled him in near vanilla and was wrong.

I am watching him to see what he does, but I'm very suspicious.

[Tammy]

Tammy, is ABR scum because he was scum in cyberpunk mafia and this is the same play?

Walking out the door, so I'll answer this better hopefully when I have a break when out. But short answer yes he was scum in cyberpunk.

[Tammy]

I don't understand the question.

Nacho I saw you respond I probably won't be able to respond until tomorrow. That goes for my explanation for syr also.

[Tammy]

I don't understand the question.

Nacho I saw you respond I probably won't be able to respond until tomorrow. That goes for my explanation for syr also.

Why would you be suspicious of nacho over a player not wanting to vote another because funny?

Players do it all the time and it's annoying as fuck.

I rephrased it.

@Grey, Hi. You wanna chat or not?

Wigged due to my expectations for how nacho interacts and deals with my suspicions.

This will probably make more sense when I respond to nacho tomorrow.

[Tammy]

I still think hippy reads like he decided to just push me as scum pregame.

[Tammy]

Like his read makes ansolutely no sense whatsoever.

If he's town maybe he just didn't want me playing, and he was hoping to push me out with a fake read?

[Tammy]

Also I still owe syryana and nacho a response I hope to get to tonight.

[Tammy]

You'll have to ask vax. He said his name, which I assumed was the character because the alternative is p dumb.

[Tammy]

how can we team up when we're voting different places???

I've also not started playing seriously yet

I started working overnights again starting tonight an am in a serious pants game off-site and sure as hell am not ready for another TRY HARD game right now

I hate this post. Nacho seemed pretty null to me up to this point, but this post is basically saying, if your scum reading him, he hasn't actually started playing the game yet, so dont judge him.

All I hear is excuses.

Judge me all you like

I am immortal as long as Tammy lives assuming that I'm not putting too much pressure on her with this very post

Also I liked this post.

[Tammy]

Very trolley is one iteration of Arthur's scum game or at least used to be. It's also part of his town game too sometimes; I'm hoping to have this read a little more solidified by the end of day or at least in the next few days.

I'm still leaning town on dgb due to her posting feel. Need more posting to keep this feeling reinforced but she was on a scum streak which got her drained from mafia, and she didn't feel that same drudgery.

[Tammy]

I also want her to be town because I want her to be town and because I was also on a scum streak last year and I know how awful it feels to draw scum over and over again.

[Tammy]

I also want her to be town because I want her to be town and because I was also on a scum streak last year and I know how awful it feels to draw scum over and over again.

Please I WISH I could go on a scum streak


Being town sucks

Town only sucks for me when town does stupid shit which makes it hard or impossible to win.

Scum sucks because of the immense amount of guilt I feel for fooling people. It drains me when the games get piled up one after the other.

[Tammy]

There's a part of me that is bummed that happened before I got to call nacho a town read, but the bigger part of me is happier than a clam that I don't have to spare any paranoia on him anymore.

If my phone would let me post a champagne gif, I'd do a toast.

Nacho it's an 11.

[Tammy]

I'm sorry Cepheus

I'm not ignoring you really I'm not. I'm just kinda spinning around right now.

[Tammy]

*ceph

[Tammy]

And just like that I woke up feeling more centered in this game.

This is a good feeling.

[Tammy]

His Tammy read still premade from before the game started.

[Tammy]

Okay Nacho this doesn't really matter now, but I missed that you actually answered the Wraith question and pointed out that you did and I missed it. Why I started having mini-wiggins and wanted you to talk about those reads is because I was thinking back to the last game we played together and when I was pointing out the day one stuff that I had noted, you said that what I should have picked up on as well was the way you treated my reads and you pointed to how much you depended on my reads in the Final Fantasy game. Some of this was mitigated by the fact that those were fast moving games and this one definitely isn't, but I started thinking back to that conversation and I had little mini creep ups of paranoia. You do kinda hand wave suspicion that I've pulled up on your partners before, not kinda you definitely hand wave and twist what my suspicion actually is, and I needed to figure out if you were doing that here as well.

Your answers made me feel better about that little creep up and I did really like that pressure post and while I would have liked to have been able to declare that town read before you became confirmed town, I'm still really happy that you're just confirmed town and I don't have to worry at all anymore. I don't feel as lost as I was feeling, so yay!

[Tammy]

The entire state is in a declared state of emergency. Google the weather in Syracuse if you don't believe me. I'm going to be posting pics to FWAN later.

Tierce tell.

Heh thought this too.

[Tammy]

Tammy it's 4pm did you oversleep :S

I've been up since 4:30 am; I'm just home for a little bit now.

[Tammy]

ABR - Why are you reading Fedora as scum?

[Tammy]

And when do I prioritize interacting with you ever?

I get if nacho, Arthur, syryana or spiffeh made that claim I don't get it with you.

And I'm not trying to be rude here at all because you know I love you, but I don't know why you'd call me scum because I didn't interact with you day one when I don't know who you are.

I'd have probably read your posts if you were katsuki and I was reading and on limited time, but I don't get the accusation that I'm scum for ignoring you in particular when I'm not ignoring any one else.

Katsuki I don't know if you saw this. Mostly I wanted you to know that I wasn't ignoring you and I'm sorry for being snippy.

[Tammy]

Okay so here's the thing with ABR. He is playing more similar to cyberpunk where he was scum. In that game he opened with some flavor posting and didn't push as hard in general as he tends to do.

But here's the thing and the problem. I thought I was a pretty good judge of ABR's alignment after reading him right in all the games that we were in together, and then we played Near Vanilla in which he was in general kinda lazy and wasn't pushing things like he normally does. He looked very similar to the scum games I've seen him in and I tunneled the hell out of him. It turned out that he was town and just wasn't focusing on mafia that much because he was enjoying things in real life more and that was mattering more.

I haven't played a game with him since, so I don't know what his town game has been looking like over the past year. He looks like Cyberpunk but I don't trust my ability to read there anymore.

pedit: heh we only got like 6 inches.

[Tammy]

and our snow is already melting

It was so pretty for a day and a half.

[Tammy]

Oh I think I'm feeling good about Arthur and Spiffeh being town.

I think I just needed one thing to feel right to make me feel better about a few others.

[Tammy]

I think Wraith is the flimsiest of any of the maybe they're town reads I've given this game.

[Tammy]

And it's a bummer that if Wraith is town we are not going to click at all this game. I don't understand how he's looking at the game at all. Not even close to how I am.

[Tammy]

And it's a bummer that if Wraith is town we are not going to click at all this game. I don't understand how he's looking at the game at all. Not even close to how I am.

Which reads do you disagree with by Wraith?

Well I'm amused that he had Vax as scum iirc and put him as town based on the claim. I can't be more town and I'm the claimed cop, but nope can't figure Tammy out.

I don't have syryana as town yet and I don't understand why he does and if he's just so into this game that he can pick out syryana as town then his other reads should be better.

I have you as town. I'm not ready to call Kuribo town yet. Not that he doesn't look town, he does look town, I'm just not ready to make that proclamation.

He's not interested in the reads that his town reads or confirmed town has given. For instance his town read Kuribo has declared a town read on DGB (and this is a scum read I disagree with), but he hasn't bothered to try to figure that out. Confirmed town has given a town read on me and on his scum read Majiffy (this is a read I'm leaning towards disagreeing with him on as well), and he's shown no interest in figuring that out as well.

He seems more interested in posting that stupid simpsons gif as a gotcha than he is actually interested in figuring out the game. The rest of his scum list is a idunno. Hippy is a null read, though I really do think he decided to push me as scum pre-game, but I guess he could do that as town too, I don't know.

[Tammy]

I'd like hiplop's opinions on honcho knife.

[Tammy]

I do agree with honcho knife about Pine would probably be tryharding more as scum. He bragged a bit in Laundry mafia about how good his scum game was and what a good scum reputation he had, so my expectations there are a little higher than complaining about a fast moving game. I don't remember him complaining so much about the movement in Laundry mafia, but I also think he was present for the wine nights that had people complaining about all the fluff in that game. I don't really mind so much if someone complains in one game but not in another. I come from a home site that used to put up 100 pages in a real life day when I first started playing, so I'm quite used to fast pace, but some games I don't tolerate it as well as others and will bitch and moan a bit.

Didn't like him thinking he had to prove that it was snowing though.

[Tammy]

And it's a bummer that if Wraith is town we are not going to click at all this game. I don't understand how he's looking at the game at all. Not even close to how I am.

Which reads do you disagree with by Wraith?

Well I'm amused that he had Vax as scum iirc and put him as town based on the claim. I can't be more town and I'm the claimed cop, but nope can't figure Tammy out.

I don't have syryana as town yet and I don't understand why he does and if he's just so into this game that he can pick out syryana as town then his other reads should be better.

I have you as town. I'm not ready to call Kuribo town yet. Not that he doesn't look town, he does look town, I'm just not ready to make that proclamation.

He's not interested in the reads that his town reads or confirmed town has given. For instance his town read Kuribo has declared a town read on DGB (and this is a scum read I disagree with), but he hasn't bothered to try to figure that out. Confirmed town has given a town read on me and on his scum read Majiffy (this is a read I'm leaning towards disagreeing with him on as well), and he's shown no interest in figuring that out as well.

He seems more interested in posting that stupid simpsons gif as a gotcha than he is actually interested in figuring out the game. The rest of his scum list is a idunno. Hippy is a null read, though I really do think he decided to push me as scum pre-game, but I guess he could do that as town too, I don't know.

I have very specific reasons for believing Vax's claim but being dubious of yours. However, right now I just want to let sleeping dogs lie until tomorrow.

I will laugh my ass off if Vax is lying about his claim.

I don't think he is, but I will laugh.

You should ask the confirmed town who knows me better than anyone on this site if I'm lying though!

[Tammy]

Yep that's the Tierce tell.

[Tammy]

Wasn't bragging in Laundry

Not so much proving the snow as looking for some commiseration

It wasn't an insult that you were bragging!

[Tammy]

Hocho painted a big ass target on their head for the NK.

Get the fuck off their wagon and let scum decide whether they want to kill them or WIFOM us into a paranoia lynch tomorrow.

Whatever happens, lynching them today after that suicide claim is fucking stupid.

As a matter of course, Katsuki fake claims, fakes guilties, fakes stuff. It's hard to tell when he's really being honest about a role he makes.

He doesn't go oh I can't make a target on myself as scum. He just doesn't do that.

[Tammy]

Oh for the night kill, sorry missed that part, never mind.

[Tammy]

Grey have you ever played with katsuki?

[Tammy]

Grey have you ever played with katsuki?

honestly i don't think this is necessary to grasp the obvious fakeness of that claim. if that role was real, why would you claim it? you wouldn't.

trying to gauge Grey's plausibility here.

[Tammy]

Grey have you ever played with katsuki?

No, does it matter?

It doesn't change the fact he's a prime nk target and him making that claim literally guaranteed he wouldn't come anywhere near LyLo one way or the other.

So, right now there are two confirmed towns, a cop claim, and a watcher claim outed, and you think he's a prime night kill target?

Why couldn't he make that post as scum to seem more important than he is?

[Tammy]

Isn't the Macho part public knowledge?

Trump is macho, that part is public.

If they were the wall enabler, their role is useless now anyway.

(which grey should also pick up on as I'm pretty sure they said their role is useless now that it's been used.)

[Tammy]

on second thought the post i quoted there is not relevant to what i said.

I was so confused.

[Tammy]

No, I don't think he was claiming to be trump. He was claiming to be able to keep trump alive, which makes sense when desperado claimed that he used the wall yesterday which was his bp vest.

Grey what people are trying to point out to you is that it is well within Katsuki's scum range to do exactly as he did. Also, if they are the wall enabler, they do not have to be town but they get a bunch of town cred just for claiming it anyway.

pedit: they wouldn't want the nightkill because they would want to stay alive to keep trump alive.

[Tammy]

pedit: they wouldn't want the nightkill because they would want to stay alive to keep trump alive.

I'm not saying his claim is true, Tammy.

I'm saying it's a suicide claim regardless as to whether it's fake or not.

It's not a suicide claim to make as scum though.

And what the people who have played with Katsuki for years are trying to say is that this is something that Katsuki would and could pull off as scum.

I'm not even sure what my read is there yet, but Katsuki prefers playing scum, is not afraid of playing scum and is not afraid to make some type of claim as scum.

pedit: you're not katsuki.

[Tammy]

And what the people who have played with Katsuki for years are trying to say is that this is something that Katsuki would and could pull off as scum.

Yet these Einsteins completely ignore the possibility of him pulling it off as town.

Yes, and everyone here has seen him fake claim stuff as town too.

I think they all just want you to acknowledge that it's not a lock town action he took. You think it is, but the history suggests it's not.

Does not make him scum no, but it also doesn't make him town.

[Tammy]

Yeah Katsuki lurking is a no-no too. They would be more opinionated at town.

I mean I stopped reading when Desp claimed trump and the PGO shot and both my softclaims evaporated just like that so like what do you want me to do I could fabricate some opinions of the 50+ pages I've missed if you want.

@Kuribo: The best part was that your mason claim was far more believable than the actual town masons.

[Tammy]

I guess he was also softing trump.

[Tammy]

I guess he was also softing trump.

Wow, what a brilliant maneuver for scum to do. Yet another move that guarantees he never makes it to LyLo!

Okay I'm saying this one more time and then I'm leaving this conversation because it's unproductive.

Katsuki is well known for fake claiming whatever the hell he wants as either alignment.

His claiming is alignment irrelevant. It makes him neither.

[Tammy]

A bunch of this:

[Tammy]

ABR why do you have fedora as scum?

[Tammy]

i swear to all the gods if you lynch quickly I'm throwing all the tantrums and will tweet up a shitstorm about how angry I am!

[Tammy]

I'm p sure katsuki just claimed that so he can then soft claim PGO trying to draw the nightkill.

Which still doesn't make him town. It just makes him katsuki.

This.

[Tammy]

And when do I prioritize interacting with you ever?

I get if nacho, Arthur, syryana or spiffeh made that claim I don't get it with you.

And I'm not trying to be rude here at all because you know I love you, but I don't know why you'd call me scum because I didn't interact with you day one when I don't know who you are.

I'd have probably read your posts if you were katsuki and I was reading and on limited time, but I don't get the accusation that I'm scum for ignoring you in particular when I'm not ignoring any one else.

Katsuki I don't know if you saw this. Mostly I wanted you to know that I wasn't ignoring you and I'm sorry for being snippy.

I actually was a little sad when I read your post initially and stopped really caring about this game so thanks for this!

I felt bad for being snippy because it came across not how I intended it to at all.

[Tammy]

@Tammy: Also I was calling you scum in part to get you to engage with me but also that I felt scum Tammy would be less inclined to try and engage with me.

Maybe. I don't really shy away from interacting with people as scum though.

I came into the game pretty frustrated. The quick hammer didn't help and then me getting blocked or whatever after spending the night phase waffling over who to investigate and ending up with nothing didn't help.

[Tammy]

I actually was a little sad when I read your post initially and stopped really caring about this game so thanks for this!

Katsuki, should I tell these clowns that apathy is a town tell for you, or should I not know that due to my lack of experience playing with you?

Every body knows Katsuki lurks more as town than scum.

[Tammy]

Tammy, what do you think of Wraith's last post?

I have no clue what the logic for that is at all.

[Tammy]

If you guys quicklynch again, my rage fest will make Kuribo's rage look like a tea party with three year olds.

(Though the last time town quick lynched I got so pissed off I cleaned my house.)

[Tammy]

Okay my town reads of varying degrees of strength: nacho, desperado, Arthur, spiffeh, Brian, bundle of sticks, (vaxkiller, dgb)

Okay I think that's a decent start.

Nacho what do you think about these town reads? I think you would add majiffy, I don't necessarily disagree. Anybody else I should add or take away?

I don't have a real scum read right now. I have a bunch of you could be scum reads just from not having a town read I feel good about, and there's a convergence around my suspicions that I'm trying to figure out what that means for their alignments.

[Tammy]

So uh...

Unpopular opinion time...

I think Desperado is fakeclaiming Scum trying to fish out the real Trump.

Bulletproof vest stopping a bullet on a macho player kinda doesn't make sense.

Scum being doctored by their buddy while they shoot makes sense.

Posts like these zzzzzz.

They make me want to lynch Grey instead.

He's trying to undermine several positions the town currently believes are true.

Oh the irony.

[Tammy]

Obviously retracting the claim, made it when drunk.

Wait so we still don't know why Tammy was roleblocked?

That was obviously not real.

[Tammy]

Syryana I'll be back around in around an hour for a little bit while trying to fall asleep.

[Tammy]

Wraith why are you refusing to talk to confirmed town about two people you're "concerned" about?

[Tammy]

Wraith why are you refusing to talk to confirmed town about two people you're "concerned" about?

You mean Nacho and yourself about who?

And you aren't confirmed town. You're widely townread because a confirmed town townreads you. That doesn't make you confirmed.

But like I said, I'm willing to table this conversation about you until tomorrow. Do you really want me to lay down my cards now?

I'm widely town read because I'm obviously town.

[Tammy]

But yep.

[Tammy]

And I mean talking to nacho about me and majiffy.

[Tammy]

Tickity tock cards shouldn't take so long to lay

[Tammy]

Yeah, that's really underwhelming.

Ill actually respond when I get back home.

[Tammy]

Very well.

1. So with Vax and Pine's claims, I am now aware of three claimed roles that have very bizarre and unconventional mechanics. This makes Tammy's boring old vanilla Cop claim very jarring by comparison. Tammy has herself admitted that she is not known for playing her cards close to her chest when it comes to roleclaims, so if she is hiding other mechanics or side-effects related to her role, I find it difficult to understand why she would be motivated to keep those a secret.

2. Her reaction to a really mundane reaction gif intended to illustrate that I'm skeptical (NOT that I'm scumreading her) seems extremely disproportionate, and very jarring considering her obvtown personality in The Thing was very patient and soft-spoken by comparison. She seems overly concerned and annoyed that I in particular am scumreading her (even though I'm not scumreading her, I'm just skeptical, yet she reacts as if I'm pointing the finger and unilaterally declaring her certain scum), possibly because I am the

only

person skeptical of her claims and play right now.

After all the buildup this probably comes out as underwhelming. But that's why I have her as a murky read rather than a scumread.

This will be brief because I'm about to crash, but:

1. Nothing I can do about the flavor and my role. Take it up with the mods if you have an issue with it not being good enough. There are no side-effects to my role. I'm just a simple cop.

2. The Thing was different from here and you obviously didn't read the lab night two or three if you think I'm just patient and soft-spoken. I'm annoyed with this game. The annoyance has settled somewhat since things have settled down and I have a confirmed town nacho that is finally finally town with me. I've found my center. My annoyance with you is because I think you know better than to act all gotcha on something that obviously if I were scum I'd know. Your play is annoying this game because you were one of the people I was hoping to work with again and your play has mostly been about gotcha moments rather than looking at actually solving the game. I am very impatient when people, who I'm not town reading, attack me with stupid shit. In the Thing, the only people who attacked me were fire bringer, whom I was town reading, for fence-sitting which is something I commonly get attacked for from people who don't know me, and drealmerz who I was also town reading and who I lost my patience with at the end of day two for attacking me with stupid shit. If you want to talk to me, talk to me and I'm usually pretty patient, but you have not been doing that. (I have an amusing story to tell about what people expect from me once a game ends.) But if you are concerned about my reactions, you damn sure should be talking to people who have more experience with me, and oh hey there's a confirmed town that does, because one game of meta which was very different than this game is not going to be the end all be all.

3. And in The Thing I called the day one lynch a quicklynch even though it was only actually a day or two away from deadline, and since I bitched about the quicklynches in that game and how much they fucked with the game and my reads, it's rather disingenuous to be all oh she said quicklynch. A good portion of that 90+ posts is missing the people I need to be posting so I can try to get a handle on my reads. The one reason I joined this game just became confirmed town and hasn't had a chance to actually come in and read the game, and I really want to touch base with him and try to make something out of this day in case one of us eats it over night. You know how frustrated quicklynches make me, and dammit you know what this is now the fourth game in a row that town has quicklynched and it's made it harder or impossible for town to win. IF you'd actuality been reading my posts, you'd see that I'm frustrated with mafia right now. It's still a quicklynch if it comes out of nowhere and is pushed through when people are still talking and trying to get reads no matter how many pages comes before it.

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spiffeh wish I could touch base with you but I am la crashing right now.

I left a town list earlier and would like to know you're thoughts.

Also syry should probably be on that list, nacho talk to me about this one too. I almost put him in my town list then I hesitated and decided to leave it out to think on for a little bit longer.

[Tammy]

Also spiffeh I understand your view on the abr/titus interaction but I don't expect them to be openly throwing hate. They are part of the converging of my suspicions that I'm trying to tease out here.

That probably doesn't make much sense. Hopefully I'll make it make more sense tomorrow.

[Tammy]

And that Grey/Fedora is another convergence I've been watching.

[Tammy]

Oh syry - DGB is kinda a contingent read that's why she's in parenthesis. I really did like her opening though, mostly for tonal reasons as I've said. I do think I have a decent ability to read her; I'm no kuribo but I've gotten it right most of the times we've played together in the past few years. I'm hoping she'll start posting again so this read can be solidified, but I did like the beginning.

[Tammy]

@Tammy: Actually I have one more question that needs clarification:

Obviously retracting the claim, made it when drunk.

Wait so we still don't know why Tammy was roleblocked?

That was obviously not real.

What exactly are you referring to in this statement?

When nacho was drunk the other night he claimed he was a weak role blocker that role blocked me and confirmed me as town. He wasn't telling the truth.

[Tammy]

I'll comment tomorrow, can't keep my eyes open any longer.

[Tammy]

Katsuki knife - what is your read on dgb?

[Tammy]

Tammy, come dance with me

Also I'm the one that votelocked Brian, FYI

Syryana locked Brian's vote unless I'm even more behind than I thought I was, which is entirely possible.

Not in this case

Did you send me in for early voting or not?

I think what her refrrring to is nacho's qualification of being potentially wrong due to being behind

[Tammy]

Okay so here's the thing with ABR. He is playing more similar to cyberpunk where he was scum. In that game he opened with some flavor posting and didn't push as hard in general as he tends to do.

But here's the thing and the problem. I thought I was a pretty good judge of ABR's alignment after reading him right in all the games that we were in together, and then we played Near Vanilla in which he was in general kinda lazy and wasn't pushing things like he normally does. He looked very similar to the scum games I've seen him in and I tunneled the hell out of him. It turned out that he was town and just wasn't focusing on mafia that much because he was enjoying things in real life more and that was mattering more.

I haven't played a game with him since, so I don't know what his town game has been looking like over the past year. He looks like Cyberpunk but I don't trust my ability to read there anymore.

pedit: heh we only got like 6 inches.

I thought Titus might have something to say about this. She was in near vanilla too.

I'm hoping to have some time this weekend to look through a game or two to see if his town game has just changed.

[Tammy]

Wraith leaving lal behind what is you're actual read on hocho knife

[Tammy]

So here's the thing with the bp and macho. Macho can't be healed but wearing a bl vest means you didn't get shot cuz the vest absorbed it.

[Tammy]

Matsuri what is your read on dgb?

[Tammy]

Matsuri what is your read on dgb?

Katzuki

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I don't understand how it's not obvious to everyone that hiplop decided to scum read me pregame

[Tammy]

who's hiplop?

The person Titus is hard town reading for voting me.

[Tammy]

Fedora's buddying of Xxxyxyxyx makes me want to lynch him regardless of whatever I can come up with to explain Xxyxyx being town this game.

i half thought they were claiming masons, but titus' recent posting disproves that theory. she also conveniently ignored my follow up post.

Yeah I was wondering if this is what they were claiming too and then was trying to figure out what that meant for the make up of the scum team and how much I could trust any results I got.

[Tammy]

Near vanilla - viewtopic.php?f=52&t=65953

[Tammy]

I'm really confused by katsuki' play if he's scum here. He values his scum play and enjoys it more than town usually. As far as I remember he takes pride in his ability to play scum and would, in most instances, consider himself one of the most valuable member of a scum team. I would have expected him to be trying to manipulate people, like kuribo and dgb, if he were scum. The only potentially manipulative thing he's said was towards me, but I could also see him as town being offended at my response. I'd also expect a harder fight, and I did expect him to talk about his near perfect ability to read some players, namely dgb and maybe kuribo, but especially dgb.

I, not as confident in my ability to read katsuki as I used to be after thinking he was scum in the last game we played together as well as one or two I was following, but I don't really understand the wagon there and if he is scum then there's probably something wonky with the scum team.

[Tammy]

I'd prefer the Arthur that wasn't so damn antitown.

[Tammy]

If titus is the doc then some of that paranoia on me makes sense in an out there absolutely not understanding anything about me way.

[Tammy]

I think Nacho wanted the hammer.

Looks like jiffy is a double voter.

Cool.

He claimed to be one of the enablers that was useless now.

Also being paranoid that desperado is lying is so last Saturday.

[Tammy]

Titus why does hiplop voting me make him so town?

[Tammy]

If we suppose we didn't get lucky with our doc heal, then the kill was blocked. You confirmed hippy blocked you.

Thus, if we were not lucky bastards, you became likely scum.

???

How come hippy can't be the scum that blocked me?

I still don't understand why anyone would think I would come into the thread first thing talking about being roleblocked if I'm scum. That's a fucking moron move. If I'm scum who thinks I'm roleblocked I check thread temperature first, then decide on the correct course of action.

I'm still 100% convinced he decided to push me as scum pregame.

[Tammy]

tammy is scum that is all

things to note: scum nightkill got blocked. Someone obv town got shot

Pretty much here is where I determined that. Hippy's case on you looked like he assumed you were scum and sought to prove it.

But the loud doctor claimed a heal on spiffeh.

As a roleblocked you have no idea who your target tried target.

It looks like to me he decided pre game I was going to be his scum read do he stuck to it.

[Tammy]

Like anyone who knows me knows happy in rvs Tammy is just probably town Tammy. But he decides one of the earliest and decent indicators for my alignment somehow comes to the wrong conclusion and mentions absolutely nobody else, not even formerfish who was being run up intensely. Then he jumps on my first post of day two proclaiming he can read me and being innoffesive is a textbook scum tell from me. That's not a scum tell from me, not even a tiny little bit, and then he spent the rest of that time discrediting nachos accurate read on me and here's the kicker called me a snake. This means the attack on me was predetermined before the game started. (I don't even think he's seen my scum game anyway?). Now what I don't know is if it's town or scum. It looks scummy to me, but calling me a snake feels like it's personal and he decided to do this because of that.

[Tammy]

I'm really confused by katsuki' play if he's scum here. He values his scum play and enjoys it more than town usually. As far as I remember he takes pride in his ability to play scum and would, in most instances, consider himself one of the most valuable member of a scum team. I would have expected him to be trying to manipulate people, like kuribo and dgb, if he were scum. The only potentially manipulative thing he's said was towards me, but I could also see him as town being offended at my response. I'd also expect a harder fight, and I did expect him to talk about his near perfect ability to read some players, namely dgb and maybe kuribo, but especially dgb.

I, not as confident in my ability to read katsuki as I used to be after thinking he was scum in the last game we played together as well as one or two I was following, but I don't really understand the wagon there and if he is scum then there's probably something wonky with the scum team.

Which game was that? I can't remember a game where I was scum and you were town. I do however remember countless times where town wanted to lynch me and you were the only one to be able to correctly read me as town with solid reasoning, as you are here. Perhaps the explanation to why my play here doesn't make sense as scum is simply because I'm town. Either way, I wouldn't value a win over my manipulation of you. I threw a game as scum once simply because I would've felt too bad betraying Brandi's trust in me in LYLO so I NK'ed her instead despite her being the most sub-optimal NK and would've given me the win due to how strong her townread in me was.

If there's any player in this game who's been able to consistently read me correctly when town in this game, it's Tammy.

I'll give you guys a chance to move this wagon elsewhere because I REALLY don't want to claim today since it's not in town's best interest given that Desp already outted. Will be out today so will mention that we're Ivanka Trump.

I don't think I've ever been against you scum. But in gum ball last year I thoight you were scum when you weren't. I also followed mystic mafia and scum read your slot when you were town. I think there was one other but I do t remember the name.

Anyway that just shakes my confidence but I'm not seeing what I would expect to see from you as scum.

[Tammy]

It's possible, but that meant I was a crack shot on my heal. It's deciding between two highly unlikely scenarios and being shouted down and hippy being aggressively attacked before I could finish is indicative more of being right and scum protecting you. The positions taken that I wasn't allowed to sort you makes it harder to reach that position organically.

Hippy's play, if scum roleblocker, randomly claiming his roleblock on the night there was no kill doesn't seem to have a net gain unless he figured you could be quicklynched. That doesn't make sense either as players could say the doc heal happened over a block.

Right now, the interactions between you two means someone made a move that I subjectively view as not optimal and I want to find out why.

Nobody said you couldn't sort me. Even if I were at a computer, the game was moving too fast for me to catch up, this is why I suck in marathons and turbos. When people are fire shooting and being kinda rabidy I get overwhelmed. I was more interested in settling my desperado worry at that time because I had an idea of what happened and his trump claim was completely counter to what I had thought about formerfish and his relation to trump. But I responded to you with some reads, you could have talked to me about the reads I had out out by that time.

[Tammy]

I did engage with you in gumball, but there was so much yelling that it was frustrating to deal with and I had nacho take over that game while I took the lead in near vanilla. I came back that last day and we lynched firebringer soon after.

[Tammy]

I have reached out to spiffeh. We haven't been able to tsk much because we are rarely around at the same time and last we were he was far behind, but he's commented on reads I've asked him about along with nacho who is also confirmed town and I've been talking with and hoping to get more talked with this weekend.

[Tammy]

There ps nothing I can do about simplistic reads. Start of day two was basically an extension of day one for me. Reads in a deeper sense don't start often happening for me until I have more to read an analyze. One of the ways I read people are by how they are reading and responding to the thread. All I have until I get that are impressions that I'm starting with unless I get something meaty early on.

[Tammy]

Oh you're asking about hi oh knife in particular? Because this is when I've put thoight to that read based on the interactions and what my expectations were.

[Tammy]

Probably heading out for a bit but will be back later and will read the chunks I skimmed over in more depth then.

[Tammy]

Oh you're asking about hi oh knife in particular? Because this is when I've put thoight to that read based on the interactions and what my expectations were.

Were you asking why I didn't reach out to spiffeh on honcho knife in particular?

[Tammy]

So you distracted us for like 50 pages, you ranted like a derp and dense mofo, and generally raised people's blood pressure.

I WAS roleplaying Trump, after all.

Yes. Because there exists a universe in which the real trump would argue with the claimed trump about how the claimed trump's role doesn't make sense.

Instead of, yknow

JUST COUNTER CLAIMING HIM.

No, what you did was born out of pure garbage play.

Just putting this out there but unless you think he's scum that did that arguing over what he did, even if you're totally in the right, is just going to add more pages to what has already been a far too long dumb point of this game.

I really really really do not want to read a too many page argument with grey again.

[Tammy]

Just putting this out there but unless you think he's scum that did that arguing over what he did, even if you're totally in the right, is just going to add more pages to what has already been a far too long dumb point of this game.

I really really really do not want to read a too many page argument with grey again.

I actually do think there's a possibility he might be scum.

The argument with him trying to draw the NK doesn't align with him "roleplaying trump, after all".

If he wanted to actually set up for a way to draw the NK by sounding like the real trump, he would do it in a more subtle way that wasn't yelling like he's super dense, because then no body believes him and people just think he's a VI, and the scum would never kill him.

Moreover, if he HAD actually CCed trump, does he really think he "would draw the NK". In what world does that actually make sense. No, he would probably be lynched on the spot. Or even IF in some strange universe we believe he's telling the truth, then we would lynch desp, the other claimed trump. How does he believe that by falsely counter claiming trump, he would draw the NK AND save the actual trump?

I do agree with this, and it wasn't believable anyway because there wasn't a peep from him early day two when I had my moment of paranoia with the claim.

I do have problems with his play and one of them is hiding behind big arguments to have something to do and drown the thread instead of really hunt for scum. Which is one reason why I don't want another argument starting up.

[Tammy]

Yes, he claimed his name when he claimed. I don't think suspicion has evaporated on all of them. And Titus has just claimed in the lat couple hours.

[Tammy]

nacho what was abr's alignment in real folk blues?

[Tammy]

Okay so yeah I have aboslutely no idea what to do with ABR. I guess I don't expect him to be all RAH RAH lead the town and drive his suspects up to lynch like he used to, but I do expect him to get some of his reads out there and be trying to get some reads, which is lacking here. The scum reads he has given I buy as things he would scum read, but I'm not sure what to make of some of the interactions with Fedora.

I wouldn't be surprised by a scum flip here, but I don't feel confident about it.

[Tammy]

I liked the post by kuribo where he unvoted honcho and said he was looking for something specific from him if he were town. Part of my concern was that if honcho was scum that could be a bus because I wasn't seeing the katsuki I expected to see if he were scum. Like I don't think he goes "don't worry about kuribo I got him lol" and then not try to manipulate him at all. So that aspect being missing and him just going to YOU'RE SCUM RAH made me wonder if there was scum theater going on.

[Tammy]

ABR is still my strongest scumread from what I've read.

I'm working through his early game right now and, while I don't expect him to be all RAH RAH lead the town, I do expect him to scumhunt and he's just not doing that right now.

I'll let you know what that read becomes as it forms a little more.

That is problematic. I think what is hindering my read there right now is the shadow of Near Vanilla taunting me.

[Tammy]

also I know it's hocho knife, but my stupid computer swears it's honcho and I can't be bothered to search and edit my posts to correct it.

[Tammy]

Am I the only one who liked the purple names in ep's post?

[Tammy]

Though ABR's reasoning on honcho because of their soft claim is no bueno.

[Tammy]

Just check your scum PT I'm sure you can catch up based on that

If I were scum you wouldn't be anywhere close to voting me.

This harkens back to the type of thing that I was looking for if Katuski were scum here. I'd expect manipulation and trying to get on the good side of people he thought he would need to. That's missing.

[Tammy]

What did ABR do other than being ABR

This bothered me when I read it because what's been the problem with ABR is that he's not being the ABR that we all know and love when town. I want to just believe nacho's read on majiffy as town and I'd like to believe that majiffy would actually be more useful if he were scum, but this is concerning if ABR does flip scum especially when he's thrown out generic scum tells on other people, i.e. lurkercho is scum, titus lurker is scum.

[Tammy]

i still don't understand anything he's doing either in or out of context as him being majiffy.

What kind of experience do you have with his scum game?

one game, a hard boiled open from a few years ago. i hammered his hydra correctly in 3p lylo. my meta is shit because i haven't played mafia substantially in ages, but he definitely looked more town in that game than this one.

I still thank you for that correct hammer!

[Tammy]

Just check your scum PT I'm sure you can catch up based on that

If I were scum you wouldn't be anywhere close to voting me.

This harkens back to the type of thing that I was looking for if Katuski were scum here. I'd expect manipulation and trying to get on the good side of people he thought he would need to. That's missing.

i didn't like the posts where he said NO WAY AM I GETTING LYNCHED TO DAY BITCH then didn't do anything town to prevent his lynch, but from past experiences with katsuki i have learned that he may be wildly unrealistic

I completely agree. There are a couple times where I thought his posts looked posturey, but I have to take the player in mind.

[Tammy]

Like for instance everyone knows that a 1v1 today with a town flip does not automatically conclude with a lynch on the other player tomorrow.

(And is probably why I'll still be looking at that whole interaction askance if honcho is scum.)

[Tammy]

i still don't understand anything he's doing either in or out of context as him being majiffy.

What kind of experience do you have with his scum game?

one game, a hard boiled open from a few years ago. i hammered his hydra correctly in 3p lylo. my meta is shit because i haven't played mafia substantially in ages, but he definitely looked more town in that game than this one.

I still thank you for that correct hammer!

really, cause at the time it seemed like you were mostly peeved that i even had to think about it

maybe that was your hydra buddy though.

All me. Just completely frantic that you were going to choose wrong and it was going to be all my fault town lost.

[Tammy]

I will almost always lynch xyzzy

Also, my town read on dgb has gone completely stale. I did like the entrance posts and tone and general feel, but I'm like a heroin addict in that I need a regular dose in order to feel normal.

[Tammy]

Cabd reviewing the setup makes me think there's a godfather in the setup that will be confirmed as town in a way that no town would ever ever expect there to be.

For instance could totally see Vaxkiller being given a role with that confirmable name role and that be the godfather of sorts.

[Tammy]

would have replaced out if there was a quickhammer.

I was thinking about doing that too if there was a quick hammer!

(I guess if it hit scum I'd probably have rethought that, but I was thinking that.)

[Tammy]

I don't get what wking spiffeh has to do with accusing people on the formerfish wagon, is anyone even doing that?

Personally, I think killing someone off a wagon and having them flip town is something scum would do to make the players on a wagon look worse. Even if you think the doc announcement is real, why else would you think Spiffeh would be attacked/protected/etc (there are probably a lot of good reasons why Spiffeh would be killed, but I'm mostly concerned about why him specifically and not someone else)? Either way, I may have gone just a bit too deep, but I'm still pretty skeptical about it.

I told you earlier this week, I'd respond to this later, but I don't have anything to say I don't think. I see what you're saying I think, and it makes sense when the majority of your suspects are off the wagon.

I just haven't really noticed people just going after those who were on the wagon is where I got confused where you were going with it.

Anyway, just mostly saying I remembered I was going to respond and didn't totally forget.

[Tammy]

I'm unopposed to a Hocho wagon. But if no one wants that, just wagon up Xxxy for me. I'm sure a near death experience will be enlightening for him.

How u guys feel about an xyz lynch?

I completely forgot this guy existed. I had a thought earlier that he

might

be town, so my enthusiasm in his wagon isn't as great as it was before.

He didn't post in the midst of these posts. Did you go back and reread him? What made him seem maybe town to you?

[Tammy]

I feel like this argument was just had recently in another game.

[Tammy]

I feel like this argument was just had recently in another game.

Which one?

the use of flavor one.

[Tammy]

Wraith going LAL after multiple people have talked about how often katsuki fake claims is gross.

[Tammy]

I was thinking something else entirely about Xxxyxyxyx, and I mainly just want him to come in here and post so I can feel better about putting him on either side of my reads.

never mind.

[Tammy]

I don't remember it recently; might have popped up momentarily in DBZ Abridged but I'm pretty sure I squashed that fairly quickly.

That's the game. It never got squashed Maria argued about it all the way to the end of the game.

[Tammy]

I'm still liking Brian, Spiffeh what problems do you have with him? Mostly I just like his thoughts about the game, the timing and tone. I thought I saw something there with the xyzzy thing, but i think it was stupid when I was thinking it. For a minute there I thought he was just tossing out names with no real thoughts of scum behind them, but meh that's what I think is stupid. I'm not the best reader of Brian, don't think I've ever seen him as scum though, but he feels fine right now (rn snort)

[Tammy]

ABR might just be the better lynch today maybe probably

[Tammy]

Heading out for dinner in a little bit hopefully, but will probably be able to check in and chat spiffeh.

[Tammy]

Guess I should stop toying with kuribo.

VOTE: Hocho

ABR says scum play, I go with scum play.

Why did you vote for honcho after arguing that he was town for so long?

[Tammy]

OKAY KURIBO YOU WANNA GO???

LET'S GO!!!

RAWR

HULK SMASH

FIRE AND BRIMSTONE

[Tammy]

Nacho:

Regarding Fedora, yes that makes sense. I still have reservations on that slot, but Titus' paranoia on me makes a little more sense and my concerns there aren't as strong as they were.

Regarding Brian, yeah I liked that too. One thing that I really liked in particular, especially if Vax is town, is the way he pointed out that Vax was at L-1 and did they really want the wagon to be at L-1 with ABR around and not on the wagon. I don't remember ABR being a big lolhammerer though but I liked the sentiment. Especially when he fake hammered not too long after that and was still showing suspicion on the wagon. (Yes, I know scum can do this to look pro-town, but I didn't get that sense from it.)

[Tammy]

Nacho:

That was the post I hated from Alisae and it felt really busy worky to me.

I do like that DGB seemingly gave him a vig shot, you talking about the way they would treat it as scum together does help to dispell the little tinfoil I had because the one reason why I thought DGB would seem happy to be playing is if she got a scum team she enjoyed playing with.

The more and more I'm reading through the game and the people that I had reservations on but didn't make it into feeling town yet, the more and more I think ABR is probably just the best route today.

[Tammy]

Kuribo I think you look town but haven't been ready to make a proclamation that you are town yet. That's not because I think anything in and of itself is off, it's just because I'm slow and cautious sometimes.

[Tammy]

Yeah that's the post I didn't like.

Also just read Brian's ISO in fire emblem and since reading people off one game is all the rage he feels different

[Tammy]

^^^

To brian

[Tammy]

Oh yeah I forgot. Nacho there are a few posts of syry's that I've liked which is why I thought he should be in my town list. just hesitating about actually putting him there.

[Tammy]

I'm interested in your thoughts of my multiball scumplay.

Oh well I only read your ISO and literally nothing about the game. I think what I think feels different, that would probably be similar no matter what ball and I actually didn't take that into account, was it felt like you weren't as open to give your own opinions freely, and when you did you were really detailed in a way to make your thoughts more legitimate maybe?, you didn't take initiative or feel like you were giving thoughts off the cuff, and you made more excuses there.

I'm not sure if that's what you're asking though. For a multiball play that probably kept you protected from the other side and you got to actually scum hunt which always comes across more natural.

[Tammy]

Guess I should stop toying with kuribo.

VOTE: Hocho

ABR says scum play, I go with scum play.

Why did you vote for honcho after arguing that he was town for so long?

Where did I argue that, again?

You're kidding me right?

[Tammy]

It begins in 2499 of your ISO if you've been doing as many drugs as jiffy has this game and can't remember the first big argument you were in this game.

[Tammy]

Oh I'm not going to argue with him, I stepped out of the one he's pretending to forget because it was so unproductive.

[Tammy]

I'm currently ok with voting Hocho, xyz, Spif. Others are personal townreads or are invited to the dance tonight...or favoritism

No abr?

[Tammy]

It begins in 2499 of your ISO if you've been doing as many drugs as jiffy has this game and can't remember the first big argument you were in this game.

That?

Obviously because they were begging for a night kill and the wagon on them looked like a way to get rid of them and Trump in the same day phase.

Right, and I understood your argument there, so why just vote them cuz abr said?

[Tammy]

I'm still baffled as to why scum me would claim roleblocked?

If there's a loud doctor that claimed a save on someone why wouldn't I whistle a nice little tune? Why wouldn't I expect someone to be healed? Why do I automatically assume I'm roleblocked?

[Tammy]

We could form a support group.

I'm a premature claimer and I have been one for six years.

I hear the first step to recovery is recognizing the problem or something.

[Tammy]

And the bp vest

[Tammy]

You're not 100% I'm town?

Are there actually any doubts?

[Tammy]

Cuz that's completely sad face if you do.

[Tammy]

I liked ABR's "Thank you. I'm town." post.

Me too.

[Tammy]

I liked ABR's "Thank you. I'm town." post.

Me too.

To finish my thOught. I did like this post a lot, and I still do.

I did a little digging and while I do not expect the abr of old, I do expect more scumhunting than what I'm seeing. That coupled with me liking other people a bit more renewed my concern about him.

[Tammy]

Oh and

3. Tammy earlier expressed that hammering Hocho tonight would be "quicklynching" even though we've accumulated 90+ pages on the day.

Okay so here is why I think this point is really disingenuous. Yes, I realize that wraith isn't scum reading me, but this point is tacked on like it's something wrong with me.

In the thing, the last night I was alive wraith and I shared a neighborhood. Wraith had begun to doubt his strong town read on me and was questioning me about my impact.

At least three times, I expressed frustration over the day's ending too short, even on ones that hit scum, but most notably below. Now I don't expect people to remember everything I've said in a past game, but it was part of what had him reinforce his town read.

But here is me talking about how frustrating I find "quickynches" and shortened days, so him going gee Tammy that's really weird you think that is just off.

Subject: The Thing Mafia - Kitchen Night 4

I feel like I've contributed just fine in light of how this game has gone. It is not my fault that the chucklekfucks around here have decided to end days short. That Toogeloo lynch was rushed through when I wasn't even around (that day was a full day almost but that came out of nowhere, which something I have been thinking about and might want to readdress). I was working up to a full-fledged scum read on goatmeal, suspicion that I was a big pioneer of in the first place. Day two was going to happen the way it did and I was fine with it. There was only the slightest chance they were town. Day two was three days, a day I wanted to last longer. Day three lasted six days and again lynch happened when I wasn't around. Another day I wanted to last longer and had said as much, though I would not have fought that genx lynch much because I was suspicious of the dissonance. We got ten whole days for day four, but hey it fell on Thanksgiving break so many people were't around and people decided that meant the game was stagnating because apparently people can't celebrate Thanksgiving.

You're getting as much contribution as I can possibly give. If we were having actual full days and people were actually holding the hammers in their pockets like good little boys and girls, maybe just maybe I'd get a chance to contribute more and be vocal on a wagon. It is true that the neighborhood has seen the majority of my analysis of people's iso's and interactions with flipped scum in part because night keeps falling when I'm more available, and if you have a problem with any of my reads feel free to say so.

...only to find out that the LYNCH FIRST LYNCH FAST NO WAITING SIR fever had overtaken the game again.

[Tammy]

So yes while I wouldn't expect him to remember exactly what I've said I would expect a general remembrance that I hate days cut short, and although he replaced out of OOTS if he followed that game at all I also bitched there about the quicklynches that were detrimental to town as well.

(There are times when I think it's fine to cut a day short, mind you, so I'm not expecting every day to go to deadline. This is just part of what really has me scratching my head about wraith)

[Tammy]

That makes sense.
I think that makes me feel more confident about a townread on you rather than a townread on her but I'll definitely take it into account.

If she was scum, I could have seen her telling me to go ahead on the fake claim thinking it was about her claim, so she could counter it to seal my lynch.

Ok but then you would surely have a rebuttal and explain to the rest of us "Titus is full of shit! Here's where I asked in thread in code if she wanted me to fake claim"

Wouldn't be good for her because either way, she'd have to explain what the coded communication between you two was, and if u mislynched then she'd likely be QUICKLYNCHED the next day

I'm trying to be patient and still waiting on "tomorrow" so im throwing out a deadline of 7 hours from now

Please don't end the day until nacho is finished with what he's working on.

[Tammy]

I don't think that she is 100% town and I don't want to people just to take my word for it because she has fooled me repeatedly in the past (like someone else I know!). My "I'm sad you're not reveling in how town I am" post was not a note that it was weird, only that she was still paranoid; her read on me when she's town tends to be more nuanced when town than scum, and her paranoia of me here seems very natural. This would mark the only time that she faked paranoia on me since we played together at Westeros and she became more of a Certified God at reading me; I would be surprised if she broke out the big plays here since we've been waiting forever to be town together and I think she would be disappointed enough to roll scum where she wouldn't have the drive as scum to fake something like this.

I'd probably have about as much drive as I did in nightman cometh. Though if I somehow did and broke out the big plays, it would mean I was planning to make the long haul, which would mean this would have never been my day two.

I was sad because it sounded like you were actually considering I could be fooling you here which means all my waiting for us to be town together again was for naught and all the actual fun games we had were actually just in the past.

[Tammy]

Like you say you think town-EP would care more if they were gonna get mislynched, but I think scum-EP would also care more about getting lynched. And from the experience, they already didn't care much getting lynched/nuked in DEFCON as town, so it's prob not good to assume only town-EP would care.

I think that katsuki-scum would care more. You could be onto something with the catch up thing though. I really liked the purple names, but I just looked back at the thing and ep!scum's catch up was more structured with people's names bolded that he was asking questions to while musical mafia was more thoughts.

But I don't really trust things like that especially considering that I thoight town him looked scummy and scum him looked townie.

But if they are scum here then something very weird is going on for katsuki to not even be trying to manipulate or ingratiate himself with the people in this game he's familiar with and trying to make it to the end.

[Tammy]

Hiplop - what are your thoughts on hocho knife?

[Tammy]

Nacho I will comment on your reads later, I've got some errands to run first.

[Tammy]

Real post when I get home but

Xyzzy is the only person I will literally policy lynch any game. No matter his alignment he just doesn't post. He claims he does this shit to make it to endgame to win it for town. He's a drain on town if he's town because it will never get any better. I think team mafia is almost the only game he's put effort into?

But here it's problematic because to pick up on something like a line break and research it means he's actually reading and reading deeply and his only contribution is shit.

[Tammy]

I'm kinda buzzed sorry if that didn't make sense

[Tammy]

Xyzzy played in team mafia? What game?

I'm not sure it was team mafia I thought it was though I could be wrong.

[Tammy]

I think I might be thinking zzzx maybe I need to do some research please hold

[Tammy]

I'm a princess!

[Tammy]

No wait sorry that's spiffeh.

[Tammy]

Okay so never mind on the xxxyz policy lynch business. I mean zzzx; I've never played with this letter dude before. Fine with lynching him though regardless

[Tammy]

I don't think this is anyone's argument.

From what I can tell it's Tammy's argument

What's my argument?

[Tammy]

Okay so if there's a flavor cop in addition to me there's either a flavor Miller/godfather and/or a godfather

[Tammy]

Tammy this is mostly for you re: Katsuki would be trying harder as scum:

viewtopic.php?f=23&t=66872

Paint Mafia 2

Katsuki replaces into a scum slot on page 13

He is lynched on page 87

He has 75 posts in between.

So knock off this "Katsuki would be trying harder as scum" rhetoric

I'm still behind so I'm not ready to cement a read on Katsuki's content now, but writing him off because he's not trying is not ok

More math:

This means that Katsuki contributed 3 pages out of the 74 he was alive for.

Which is about 4% or 1/25 of the posts. IN A 13 PLAYER GAME. WHERE THE GAME GOT SMALLER AND SMALLER AS PEOPLE DIED.

I think that qualifies as lurking.

Therefore, scum!Katsuki is perfectly capable of lurking, and any arguments that he would be trying harder are now invalid

I'm pretty sure my argument was a little more nuanced than katsuki would be trying harder as scum!

[Tammy]

Also if you want someone to check your confirmation bias it would be nice if you actually read their thoughts.

[Tammy]

Ok can you explain to me why you think they're town then

Or quote me where you did

Read my ISO. My read is not town and never said it was.

[Tammy]

I'm a princess!

And that's why I give you nothing but respect.

The position has to be earned, not assumed to be true by virtue of membership.

[Tammy]

I'm buzzed and will probably pass out before I can truly comment on much.

Nacho - spiffeh comes in and out activity wise. If you remember the first mystic mafia he wasn't around much. In the thing he was around decently strongly the first couple days then kinda disappeared for a couple days.

[Tammy]

Actually I'm no longer buzzed as much as it's replaced with exhaustion. That feels like being buzzed.

[Tammy]

Congrats scum. Thanks for running it Elton.

Sorry for claiming early. I do prematurely claim sometimes but I did actually believe you guys were going to lynch me as two. Everybody felt so rabid at the start of day and with people clamoring for quick lynches because gee that's fun and with what happened day one, I don't think it was so unreasonable for me to think that (and now seeing that the plan was to come after me in scum chat makes that doubly so.). Though if it weren't for my jailkeeper in shining armor, I wouldn't have even been here day two, so *shrug*.

Stop quicklynching and urging for quicklynches. It's not funny. It's not cool. It's how you help town lose.

[Tammy]

I'm bummed antihero replaced in after I died . But it was great reading his breitbart!

[Tammy]

Oh gods smite

[Tammy]

More like shudders

[Tammy]

Smite says your sharpie is very cute

[Tammy]

SMITE role madness was still worse. And I only made it to day 2 in that one.

The real moral of the story is that at least this game wasn't as bad as smite

Little ol Ali wants to know why Smite was so bad?

Smite is one of those games where those who lived through it speak of it in hushed tones and shudders whenever bad games they lived through get mentioned, but we don't actually like to relive the specifics to spare our sanity.

[Tammy]

It was fun seeing who you guys thought I might investigate!

[Tammy]

Wait I was in Tales of You under a hydra with Tammy??? I do not remember that game whatsoever.

You only made a few posts day one then flaked I think.

[Tammy]

Wait we had the fucking highest post count with 1148 posts there???

I either had amnesia or something I seriously do not remember any of that game and I remember much older games than that...

Yeah, I delved into the worst paranoia I've ever had and thought everyone in the game was scum. I couldn't figure the game out at all and was quite useless.

[Tammy]

I think you always knew you'd be busy and we hydrad because you didn't think you could play the game out but wanted to play it in some capacity