world.createNew(Utopia everHope); - EPILOGUE (GAME OVER!)

[KidAmn]

Mathblade is the lynch. Mathblade is the lynch. Mathblade is the lynch.
Mathblade is the lynch. Mathblade is the lynch. Mathblade is the lynch.
Mathblade is the lynch. Mathblade is the lynch. Mathblade is the lynch.

[KidAmn]

I might actually randomize who I push today via random.org

MB, didn't it occur to you that breaking links could be a scum ability not related to the enablers?

It probably will now

Math's gameplan today was literally "try and push Kid again, push Titus if there's no hope of that working"

Unfortunately for them I am 150% done with this shit and if we don't lynch Math today I will reach across the internet to slap everyone responsible

[KidAmn]

titus, doesn't this seem like it could very well be misguided townie MB?

kidamn, the same to you ^

zach, can you please pass me some budds for mey bongg?

I don't even know

All I know is that Math's quote about Scumblade in their sig is real fuckin accurate right now

[KidAmn]

titus, doesn't this seem like it could very well be misguided townie MB?

kidamn, the same to you ^

zach, can you please pass me some budds for mey bongg?

I don't even know

All I know is that Math's quote about Scumblade in their sig is real fuckin accurate right now

...I want my scum games enjoyable.

Having a logical contradiction like this is NOT enjoyable.

What is going on right now I do not like.

Therefore I am Town.

[KidAmn]

nevermind lol

...really?

[KidAmn]

.....

I can't read.

Can't read, won't read, didn't feel the need to read because you thought you had a way to slamdunk someone you've been conf-bias pushing since D2... take your pick.

[KidAmn]

I'm gonna drop some last thoughts from vecna that I can remember once I clear a few things up.
btw i no longer have access to the PT so i will be giving the thoughts as well as i can remember.

Why did you break the link RM?

I just got a message saying it had been destroyed.

I mean, RM hasn't said anything to that effect, but don't let me stop you jumping to a new conclusion.

[KidAmn]

If it was destroyed, it seems like a straight 1v1 Dreal/RM. Neither of them should have broken it. But there's the possibility of a scum link-breaker... but then several people have openly stated they have had links, and nothing happened to those that wasn't openly admitted to. Hmm.

[KidAmn]

unvote

To avoid rofl-hammer for now.

[KidAmn]

So, to be clear: RM and dreal, who would have been left alive in the link, both claim they didn't break it.

was vecna not actually cop? im confused

Results. Now.

[KidAmn]

So, to be clear: RM and dreal, who would have been left alive in the link, both claim they didn't break it.

was vecna not actually cop? im confused

Results. Now.

i was also read as conftown by vecna due to stuff happening in our link.

"Read as conf-town" and "actual conf-town" are 2 different things

I think gamma could be scum because his catchup was sSOOO "hey look I'm being a good towny and catching up SO thoroughly"

I can kinda see it TBH
brb reading what little Bulge did/GE so far
Also GE in our PT has been interesting. Apparently me not answering a question between 1am and 7am my time wasn't good enough for them, and they were basically sheeping my Math push and pressing me for thoughts on Gerry (which is a scratch that does need to be itched)

this game has been frustrating tbh.

Haha. Ha. Haaaaa. Oh man wait till PTs get released. It has been just... such a fun time playing with all of you.

[KidAmn]

So, to be clear: RM and dreal, who would have been left alive in the link, both claim they didn't break it.

was vecna not actually cop? im confused

Results. Now.

honestly, not worth it. just helps mafia

...are you kidding?

[KidAmn]

I'm struggling to see how that's the case, but then you've done about as much for this game as Trump has for world peace, soooo

[KidAmn]

I agree with you on Titus and Gamma. I don't think scum have fake claims, or Momo would have had something much better than "here's the part of my role that doesn't explicitly discuss scum", and wouldn't have argued against full-claims.
Therefore, I can't see Zach as scum. Titus is... well, yeah, I don't see this as similar to town-Titus (although I've only seen her in a hydra with Math). Gamma...

[KidAmn]

no thoughts at all on the stuff i've posted?
are you actually going to play the game?

I am. Math needs to die for trying to expand the lynch pool and being obvious scum.

I think you're just going through a process you need to go through.

See, this is my problem. I advanced Math!scum and presented a reasonable case, albeit at Mister Torque volume levels. Titus replaced in and just immediately sheeped onto me and hasn't done much of use. It feels off as hell.

[KidAmn]

no thoughts at all on the stuff i've posted?
are you actually going to play the game?

I am. Math needs to die for trying to expand the lynch pool and being obvious scum.

I think you're just going through a process you need to go through.

See, this is my problem. I advanced Math!scum and presented a reasonable case, albeit at Mister Torque volume levels. Titus replaced in and just immediately sheeped onto me and hasn't done much of use. It feels off as hell.

See 1900.

I haven't done "much of use" because the best protown play is just to lynch Math because if it hits lylo, they'll town vote regardless of alignment.

If town disagrees and puts someone else up with a decent case, I will be willing to hammer.

Yeah, see, that's the problem. You're all in on "Lynch Math because Math r dum" and you don't have much of an opinion on anything else. Momo was the same.

[KidAmn]

Gerry, at this point we have very few if any mislynches. We need all the info we can get. Do you not understand how much you're hurting us by withholding what you have, no matter how little?

[KidAmn]

Gerry, at this point we have very few if any mislynches. We need all the info we can get. Do you not understand how much you're hurting us by withholding what you have, no matter how little?

i can only tell where a person was at the night. i dont see how it's helpful at all

This... Isn't a cop. You claimed cop.

[KidAmn]

hi, i'm cop. unvote

They very clearly did not "only claim investigation". Why did you feel the need to lie about that, Gamma?

[KidAmn]

Gamma/Gerry for last scum seems... Somewhat likely. Willing to wait for an explanation from both as to Gerry's flipflop on the claim and Gamma outright lying for them about it.

[KidAmn]

Fuck it

Vote: Gamma

[KidAmn]

VOTE: Math

due to potential for lol hammers for the purpose of this game L-2 is considered L-1.

so voting math not is basically a scumclaim (intent to is fine)
same for gamma

I agree that voting Math now is scummy, especially since after being pressed and changing his claim Gerry just voted with nothing else to say. I don't think it's inherently an outright scumclaim from -anyone-, but to do it in that manner is.

[KidAmn]

dont hammer yet

So you don't have an answer as to the fact you claimed cop and are now changing that claim the minute people request information from you?

[KidAmn]

no one has given a single reason for GE town

Nor has anyone given a reason for him to be scum.

It's basically PoE for me.

KidAmn and Random are locktown.
Drealmerz is probably town, not like 100% but he doesn't look like in Memory.

That leaves Math, Gerry and Gamma.

Math is obvious scum.

The other two are 100% ok lynches by me, as we have a mislynch.

Apart from the fact I caught them lying about Gerry...

[KidAmn]

Gerry, at this point we have very few if any mislynches. We need all the info we can get. Do you not understand how much you're hurting us by withholding what you have, no matter how little?

i can only tell where a person was at the night. i dont see how it's helpful at all

This... Isn't a cop. You claimed cop.

He claimed investigation. Even then he didn't really claim, he softed.

hi, i'm cop. unvote

They very clearly did not "only claim investigation". Why did you feel the need to lie about that, Gamma?

[KidAmn]

Gerry isn't wrong about my location, but I'm fairly sure I publicly referenced it previously. The fact that the claim changed, and that GE felt the need to lie for Gerry about it, is still sketchy. Math/GE/Titus still feels like the best lynch pool.

[KidAmn]

Don't you think the whole gerry LYING about his role thing is probably a misnomer? As in the cop/investigative term thing is just a name that was said because there's not a NAME for his actual role (he locates people in certain locations based on the flavor of this game?)


And when math asks him about his LYING he responds:

what reason do i have to lie? kid and titus will confirm that's where they were

Which indicates he doesn't know what you're accusing him of... because he's not responding like it at all


That's what it looks like to me..

Just saying.. like I obviously don't think he's scum, I'm saying this for KidAmn/dreal/etc


random, I'll be on whatever lynch you settle on today we seem to be rolling with a similar

If we resolve Math/Titus there has to be some thought put into it

This is why Gerry isn't in the pool I consider best to lynch from today. I'm still not willing to leave Math alive through to endgame, but Titus is sus as fuck for the lack of almost any engagement in this game beyond "FUCK MATH".

[KidAmn]

I'm willing to go on Titus but still prefer the Gamma wagon and think that's where my read is more confident.

[KidAmn]

um. vecna already said my role. i'm guessing he was a role cop of some sort.

Got a post to show for it?

[KidAmn]

I'm willing to go on Titus but still prefer the Gamma wagon and think that's where my read is more confident.

Why are you willing to vote me?

Look if you random and zach cannot decide on a lynch in 48 hours, I am done here. You three are obvious town and it's getting boring watching you ignore obvscum Math and my responses showing it and not lynching anyone. Even if it's me and we lose our final mislynch just do something.

Because I'm 99% sure you vs Math is a straight up 1v1 and neither of you have done much to suggest you're town other than shitting on each other relentlessly.

[KidAmn]

I've said all I have to say, other than that I intend to lead a revolution and install myself as town leader.

[KidAmn]

Vecna, if you're reading this and able to still make links and post in them, hit me up tonight if we don't catch last scum.

That said, I think this is pretty much between Math and Titus now.

[KidAmn]

Naked vote?

[KidAmn]

Oh

Okay then

[KidAmn]

Tick tock tick tock

[KidAmn]

Same dreal <3

I'm not gonna lie, I went batshit crazy some time around mid-D2 in this game and the only reason I didn't replace out was to make scout's life easier given how long it was taking to find replacements into what was frankly a pretty miserable game. There are certain people here I will be actively avoiding playing with from now on, I think they know who they are so I'm not going to name names.

This was a pretty crap game on town's part between the amount of waffling on claims (lookin at you PM&C/Cloud/Gerry"I'm a cop"Oat) and lynching claimed powerroles because they were tired of people being shitty (Maria honey pls just replace out next time) and the sheer volume of metaphorical dickswinging making doing actual scumhunting nigh impossible

tl;dr:

[KidAmn]

GG great flavor but quite frankly an ability targeting a link not a player I feel is bad setup. Abilities should always target players

I'm just... so glad that's what you took from this, Math.

[KidAmn]

Yeah, the amount of lying - or rather, the amount of "I'm not capable of critical thought and/or reading my role PM" - was frankly nuts

The only way I could cope with... certain people, and the way the game was going, was to just start going absolutely ham and hope it woke the gamestate up enough that something started happening (although my target was, in fact, as depressingly town as they were in Civ)

Swings and roundabouts, y'know? Y'know.

[KidAmn]

GG great flavor but quite frankly an ability targeting a link not a player I feel is bad setup. Abilities should always target players

Although it did target a player?
The ability destroyed all links of a target player?

Right. Destroys links. So it targets the links. Yes you submit a player name but you're targeting links.

Take in contrast gunsmith: You are targeting the player and learning if they have a gun. It is about the player.

Abilities should be on players IMHO not what they have.

[KidAmn]

I'm gonna pre-emptively apologise to anyone offended by things said in my pt

Stand by it though

[KidAmn]

Probably for the best

[KidAmn]

I thought I did say yes in the PT... So yes?

[KidAmn]

hap birf scot