Amnesiac Mafia: The Very First Edition (Game Over Already?)

[drealmerz7]

OHMYGOD, YOU MURDERERS!!!!! YOU KILLED ONE OF THE HOSTS!

This is the worst party ever! I was having so much fun last night, and NOW THIS HAPPENS!? WHAT THE FUCK?!

Someone coughs and taps drealmer on the shoulder, "Ummm, no, you don't know if you were ha-"

"I can TELL I was having a great time because - *bends slightly over and looks and points at his legs* - THESE AREN'T MY PANTS! OKAY?! Are they your pants?! Did we have sex? I've got this major itch going on...kidding kidding! HAH! Sorry! I'm just SO NERVOUS, I'm trying to break the tension. Like..." *looks around* "I don't know any of you I don't think." *looks around some more at the others gathered to the the edge of the still blood-filling pool. "No, I don't think I've ever partied with any of you before."


*goes around shaking hands*

"Hi...hi! Hello! Hi! Hello. Hey. Hi." No one looks particularly enthused at your enthusiam and you stop abruptly. "Ummm, sorry, yeah..." *turns* "dead body, right..." he trails off and ducks his head down a little.

"How about we like, kill the other host and call it a free for all?~!"

This game is totally not balanced AT ALL, and he invited a bad element that has totally killed the fun of the party, maybe it was his plan all along, like one of those Ten Little Indians things, totally, dude!

VOTE: T-Bone

[drealmerz7]

I prefer if the hydra doesn't sign

[drealmerz7]

Next person to vote T-Bone scumclaims.

Why don't you let it happen and let things unfold a bit? This is a gamekiller comment, imo, and not even necessarily true, as it is a 19player game, 4th or 5th on a wagon don't necessariliy mean scum in a larger game like this, 5th more likely, 6th even more likely, but you've got to let it happen, and then evaluate the votes in that range and how they feel/what it seems like those players' motivations might be. well, now that you've killed it, imo

UNVOTE: T-Bone

VOTE: T-Bone

you such a silly kitty, why you always claim scum? it bothers me SO MUCH!!!

Alright then, what

is

there to gain by voting for the mod? Other than making yourself a target, that is.

exactly part of my goal

either 1.) see who tries to actually get the mod lynched off of blaming me for a silly RVS vote (thanks again, Ircher, for killing that option - and here I thought you were all for it in pre-game?), or 2.) see who goes after me because they think they can push me as scummy for a silly RVS vote on the mod.

(still an option, I dare Yu to try[hey it's General Yu! always at a party!])

VOTE: T-Bone

So why did you hop on T-Bone's wagon, and then attack dreal for voting on T-Bone's wagon?
-Ali[/quote]
exactly

color is mine

However, I changed my vote immediately after,

and chose Dreal because he started the wagon.

because I got scared that it'd seem scummy to be pushing that wagon along and knee-jerk reacted blaming the guy that first voted the mod.

you know who reacts like that? actual scum, imo

also, who is the player that "starts a wagon" ? the first vote is the 1st vote, and I'm not sure a wagon really gets going until at least a 2nd person votes the same slot (or mod nonslot, as the case is), or is the 3rd that

really

makes it a wagon, which is where your reaction to your own action came from in the 1st place, as I edited above

I don't like that fedora claimed either, I think it is lame, boring, and not utilizing the role as much as possible, but, "that's site meta" and I don't feel like raging against that right now, so, it's whatever, other roles have to decide on their own what to do about it anyway and then report back if they feel it is relevant (ie: "I tracked fedora to the NK" etc.)

Liking Radical's more recent posts

agree

Well, I'll admit I'm not very well-versed in site meta, but to me it seems like a cop missing their investigation is worth it if scum also misses their kill. Ascetic should definitely claim though. If someone outside your slot confirms that this is common meta though, I'll drop it for now.

We're both town orientated players who rather work with their townreads > fuck our townreads over when it comes to night actions because we want to be greedy and try to "prevent the nightkill."

how is preventing a NK on town greedy? it's the most pro-town thing you can do, even if it is on yourself

First.

You sure are buddy. You sure are.

depending how it starts to look with wheme and how other things start to shake out,, I might be up for going for a policy lynch on him for D1...but I do prefer to scumhunt primarily and then only turn to wheme if it seems necessary (could be possible)

[drealmerz7]

However, I changed my vote immediately after,

and chose Dreal because he started the wagon.

because I got scared that it'd seem scummy to be pushing that wagon along and knee-jerk reacted blaming the guy that first voted the mod.

you know who reacts like that? actual scum, imo

SNIP

Liking Radical's more recent posts

agree

1.) so to clarify- youre saying that that earlier post was bad, but you agree with gamma that he posted better after that point?

2.) Also, im returning from a long ass hiatus so idk most of you, which is why im asking this- wheme is a policy lynch target for what reason?

1.) correct

2.) to be blunt, a bad player who I believe can hurt town significantly enough if town to warrant a PL - last game I was in with him he self-hammered as doctor on D1, for example (amidst a bunch of other extremely bad+scummy play that I was glad to be rid of)

[drealmerz7]

and you're horribly wrong

[drealmerz7]

There was intent to hammer me, the person who hammers gets the item. I wasn't letting that item going anywhere near scum hands

you don't have to explain your thoughts to me

that you valued keeping that item POSSIBLY out of the hands of scum over your own life and role, is really horrible play

I don't care to debate it with you, I was asked a question by someone and answered

[drealmerz7]

viewtopic.php?f=23&t=71365

Why do my amount of posts matter

because this is a 19 player game and can quickly become overly inflated - try to do single posts with an accumulation of thoughts

- that was only 1 example I gave on whemestar, I've seen him in a few games and think he has played horribly detrimental to town every time

[drealmerz7]

I'm telling you to watch out so you don't get a hated modifier
...unless you're scum, then lurk or spam all you want

he probably didn't read the rules...

[drealmerz7]

and here I had considered voting you but decided to hold off, fedora
that claim sucks, imo

[drealmerz7]

false news

[drealmerz7]

@fedora - didn't vote for you because it's still way early, lot of ppl have barely/not even checked in yet, I hold on to my vote until I am sure I want someone dead, almost always, and it's certainly not there for you, yet

[drealmerz7]

it's way to early to consider it either way imo, first just gotta scumhunt

if we are at a loss nearing deadline, with no seemingly good options, THEN it becomes a consideration IF he has proved a problem / is anti-town as he's been previously, always allow for ppl to be different from previous interactions, for sure

[drealmerz7]

omg missed an "o" on "too", maddening!

wait...whose pants are these?

[drealmerz7]

and what would he have done if he distracted the game if a bunch of ppl started voting him and pushing to "try and see" method before he claimed it's fake

[drealmerz7]

gamma's concern for wheme's postcount is pretty weird (I reflected on it for a bit), it's SO early in the Day and so much of the playerlist has yet to really get in to it, there's so much time for compensation, I read it as possible scumbuddy getting anxious over another's play

me responding that the concern is him clogging up the thread is absolutely part of it, and is what really preceeds and necessitates the rule in the first place

[drealmerz7]

/agree podoboq - hate that shizzzzz so much, and there goes Fb with another, so annoying

[drealmerz7]

I like it, she's giving thoughts/providing content early-game, I like it a lot, go maria, go!

[drealmerz7]

I wasn't really aware you have had the desire to PL me in the past, but even so, I think you know I say it all of the time: "trying to get a read off of me by comparing how I played in previous games will just get you in trouble", so, nah, your read on me doesn't bother me any more than seeing that mistake being made, again, in regards to me

hopefully my stress levels are down compared to how they've been the past 6 months and I can start to play my more normal/usual game of better focus and less prone to frustration

those not familiar with Fb so much, he often does this "I'm scum" repetitious shit, as either alignment, right now he has me leaning scum at him for it, a little more over-the-top for how early the game is, like he REALLY wants to be TR for claiming scum

[drealmerz7]

that post is so LAMIST ^

[drealmerz7]

but, I'm not your scumbuddy either...

[drealmerz7]

when playing werewolf in flesh-world, it's really a lot more interesting when someone claims scum or town - the read of the motivation and personality is so much more deep

if only this were a real party, with a real infinity (or is it infinitely?) pool

come on, slackers, post more! I'm not even really shitposting at all and I'm leading the pack I'm pretty sure, not that that is unusual, and there's still plenty of time, but, yeeesh, 19ppl, more should def. have their butts in gear despite the inevitable lurker-few

it's not like I'll be lynched D2 if I live until D2 anyway, so having hated on D2 won't really hurt me methinks, so I'm not worrying about it, and trying to make more content for more ppl to post more and feel comfortable making some more posts, but, participation is likely to die off shortly if ppl don't get their butts in gear, I can't do all the work all of the time, damnit

[drealmerz7]

Firebringer - 5 - Ircher, Fresh, RadicalRat, kidAmn, Klazam
drealmerz7 - 3 - dramonic, Little Red Fedora, Firebringer
WhemeStar - 2 - Gamma Emerald, Lil Uzi Vert,
KidAmn - 1 - WhemeStar,
dramonic - 1 - PeregrineV,
MaxwellPuckett - 1 - Podoboq,
Klazam - 1 - MariaR,

Not Voting:

drealmerz7, Hellfire Missile, MaxwellPuckett, momo, Untrod Tripod

Day 1 - With 19 Alive, It Takes 10 to Lynch

[drealmerz7]

Firebringer - 5 - Ircher, Fresh, RadicalRat, kidAmn, Klazam
drealmerz7 - 3 - dramonic, Little Red Fedora, Firebringer
WhemeStar - 2 - Gamma Emerald, Lil Uzi Vert,
KidAmn - 1 - WhemeStar,
dramonic - 1 - PeregrineV,
MaxwellPuckett - 1 - Podoboq,
Klazam - 1 - MariaR,

Not Voting:

drealmerz7, Hellfire Missile, MaxwellPuckett, momo, Untrod Tripod

Day 1 - With 19 Alive, It Takes 10 to Lynch

[drealmerz7]

it serves scum wincon because it is distracting from the cooperative scumhunt
it doesn't serve town wincon bcause it is distracting from the ^^^

otherwise, have patience, young padewan (: game just got going, entertain yourself with something else while awaiting development

[drealmerz7]

where/why am I scummy?

[drealmerz7]

awww, UT, you are one of the few who should know better - I just pretend to be VI - scummy vote (:

deadwood is a great show though

hey, are these your pants, UT?

[drealmerz7]

dreal and titus should hydra

you're simply suffering from a case of "don't know drealmer and he strikes as a bit 'off' because he's taken a humorous approach to the game omg is he a VI or what let's lynch him yaaaaa!" - but seriously, where would this game be without me? I'm doing you all a world of service, and this is the thanks I get? LUMPED IN WITH TITUS?!?!? PLS NO!

[drealmerz7]

I know, I get that a lot! especially from those unfamiliar with me

but, no, not scum ): JUST GLAD TO HAVE BEEN INVITED TO A PARTY! WOOOOOOOOOOOO...

ohshit, right, dead body...I forgot...ummm...*thinks hard, does solvey things* - dudes, I just don't know! I think like...any of you could be guilty, ya know???

[drealmerz7]

no, actually, I think some of you are okay, but I'm not going to say outloud because I don't think it does us any good to be picking favorites right now

ohhi, RK!!!!!

[drealmerz7]

I'm waiting for my wagon to build to bring out the GRRRFACE - nono, jk, no grrrface

butreally, what is taking scum so long to get my wagon rolling? seems a bit slow for such a large crowd, curious indeed

and like, the UT vote dun even count hardly, I knew he'd be voting me D1 in pre-game

meh, fire doing that is just distracting, like I said - and even potentially dangerous if he's not around to unclaim lynchproof before a bunch of knuckleheads get the idea to try and lynch him

[drealmerz7]

weeeeeebaayyyyyyyyyy

[drealmerz7]

no real SRs at all

scumleans on fedora but only just slightly, but at least they've been posting! and like I said Fb too, yes he does that to entertain as either alignment, here I'm it's pinging my scumdar a bit

No one else is posting enough at all. I'm like, giving ya'll a nice buffer for posts and we've got 19ppl and like, have some of these ppl even posted? have half these ppl even posted more than once? who the f is hellfire missle? LUV posts and it's like 'OHYA LUV is in the game, right!' geebus

ftr, nice to have a bit of familiarity in you, well I guess I'll call you 'mwp' ! this playerlist is a whole lot of strangers to me, I figure it's cause of t-bonermod

[drealmerz7]

meh, sounds more like a bunkass attempt to try and justify your vote, but, don't let me stop you

[drealmerz7]

alrightyo

[drealmerz7]

well I kind of addressed that already, I really only like to vote most of the time when I'm comfortable wanting someone eliminated, and that doesn't always come readily

that hypothetical doesn't work for me, I don't have to be voting, sooo, yeh, you trying to push that on me does ping me a bit though

Fb just AtEing you, puckett, scummmmmy growlithe

[drealmerz7]

"if you had to vote" pings me because it's trying to force me to say I want to kill someone and then it just allows for more and more BS hypothetical "oh, player#, eh? why them? what'd they do?" - that's not looking for conversation, imo, thats looking for pointless hypotheticals

if he wants to conversate he should try and convince me why who he's voting is scum better, imo

[drealmerz7]

I've been quiet? generate more content? what game you looking at? (:

I didn't brush it off, it's just how I read it when it happened, only a possibility, who knows, maybe you're right and he is, I wouldn't be surprised at this point because I haven't got a good feel on anyone for scum, hence the no-vote

you're looking tastier though!

[drealmerz7]

you want too much too soon, like I said, most of the playerlist is barely playing, that makes it hard to 'take a stance' on anything much less even begin to evaluate, again, your desire for me to have a solid stance on anything at this point pings me

[drealmerz7]

I mean, if I have a stance on something or want to make a push, you'll know it, aye?

[drealmerz7]

Along with some of this alt account and other game stuff...all discussions that waste game space. About half of what I've read so far does nothing. I guess I shouldn't be surprised though.

maybe it does nothing for you, but there's actually a lot to reading nuance and tone and bits of little things in mafia - sitting there expecting everything worthwhile to be in the nature of "OMG THAT'S SO OBVIOUSLY SOMETHING SCUM DO" is a naive/foolish way to play

[drealmerz7]

drealmerz, who is scum? Why aren't you voting?

please read things, it's helpful

[drealmerz7]

scumtitus wanting to lynch the most active players! 'UT + metownblock YAA' - how frikken blatant do you have to be?: "here's a list of ppl I think I've got the entire scumteam but MAYBE one of them is town" - more like "here's the most probbly wagons to push and I'll give myself an out for one of them"

blegh

VOTE: fedora

[drealmerz7]

what exactly is the policy for you, maria?

[drealmerz7]

UT is around

NO ONE HAVE ANY FUN OR HE'LL GET MAD AND HATE YOU

[drealmerz7]

*shits on everyone having fun*

OMG LOVE ME AREN'T I COOL?!?!?!

[drealmerz7]

btw if you can't get reads from 90% of my posts / think they're worthless, that's on your poor ability to play the game, imo, because I'm barely shitposting, most of it should be helping you sort me - I mean, I know I'm hard to sort, but that doesn't mean I'm scum or that you should give up trying to figure me, and the more I post, the more you should be able to work on it. sheesh

holycrap more people need to post more

btw I "get into" games as either alignment, so just making that generalization that I'm town because I was in drunken christmas is silly - gotta dig deeper

[drealmerz7]

go to my wiki, I haven't been scum that many times here, but

the first posts in In Memory are me doing "character things", and I have some throughout, and I'm sure I did some things in Nightman Cometh/had fun in that game at points

[drealmerz7]

if only I were scum more often! grrrrrr

maria, that is ridiculous, you can easily go look at my games, even games we were in together. you either are forgetting or are just making blatant scumlies as an excuse to vote me?

[drealmerz7]

what exactly is the policy for you, maria?

You've fucked up every LYLO I've seen you in I don't want you anywhere near MLYO/LYLO

ever

you said that already, and it's simply not true

I mean, we were even in laundry together, that is all I remember you being in with me at least, and I was right there, sooo, again, you're either forgetting or lying to try and justify your vote

I've fucked up lylo/mylo, like...twice? seriously, you can easily go look at all of my town games on my wiki and see that maria is just flatout wrong

ummm, I didn't say you're making up BS, I'm saying you're wrong/forgetting/lying - eh?

[drealmerz7]

yes, I was correct in laundry that it was mcmenno

I even tried to force them to let me control the hammer, desperado was stubborn, and while I was on mcmenno, desperado voted wrong

seriously, GO LOOK AT MY FUCKING GAMES, right often enough

[drealmerz7]

yep was wrong in witch trials, yep was wrong in british monarchy, of course there are going to be examples of me being wrong a couple times, OUT OF OVER TWENTY GAMES, but I'm often enough more right, so you can go swim in the pool with the dead guy (:

I'm not 'hung up on your vote', I'm talking to you about it, challenging your bs, because, AS I FUCKING SAID, they are EITHER scumlies or you're forgetting, right? like, are you reading what I'm saying?

[drealmerz7]

I don't think Mari's been in a game other than laundry where drealmerz made it to LyLo

I don't need to be in the game to spec it do I?

no shit? that is not the point

you're just being scummily stubborn now trying to ignore the obvious points that your reason for voting me is BS (whether it is scumlies BS or forgetful/ignorant to the truth BS)

ummm, it's disagreeing with your statement because your statement is BLATANTLY WRONG -wtf?

[drealmerz7]

done with your nonsense, maria

[drealmerz7]

wow, and again, you're just evading all the valid points that invalidate you, maria, geebus

VOTE: maria

[drealmerz7]

I don't know if you can get more blatantly scumtastic than that

[drealmerz7]

the one example you gave, does not support your point

FOR THE THIRD FUCKING TIME

[drealmerz7]

you're saying I was wrong in laundry, I was not

like, it's really fucking simple, DOES IT COMPUTE YET?

it's not a matter of opinion - HOLY FUCKING SHIT

[drealmerz7]

it's like talking to a brick wall, you consider me a policy lynch for reasons that are provably not true - it's ridiculous

[drealmerz7]

I either have to think you're horrible or scum, maria, I don't think you're this horrible actually, so I go with scum

Fb, why do you think I'm scum?

[drealmerz7]

can't blame you for being wrong on your read on me, Fb, I'm not an easy read, for sure, and am playing the way I am with intention, so, it's all good

[drealmerz7]

WOW!!! The tone changes when you TAKE OUT THINGS THAT GIVE EMPHASIS!

imagine!

[drealmerz7]

that's why he needs to post more (as do so manyothers), you shouldn't have to make a solid decision one way or another off of so few posts, eh?

[drealmerz7]

just because you can't change or improve your game, ali, doesn't mean other players can't

[drealmerz7]

and simply, it is foolish to be like "oh he's town" off of one frikken post

[drealmerz7]

do you really have this much of a problem reading/understanding posts?

HE HASN'T POSTED ENOUGH TO HAVE A READ ON EITHER WAY

like, that should already be that that is my opinion - where's the difficulty?

[drealmerz7]

be *clear

[drealmerz7]

btw we should be looking to my wagon for 2 scum now most likely

[drealmerz7]

PV if at least 2 ppl on my wagon are scum, who do you think is most likely to be?

[drealmerz7]

@Drealmerz, You done threatening everyone who SRs you for no reason.

can't be done doing something I never did

hate your attitude of "tell me who is scum" - and it's like you're not reading the things, pick any 2 from my wagon that you think are most likely scum, that's a nice lynchpool right there, those 6

you and maria are probably my biggest SRs there - but I wouldn't rule out any on me being possible scum at this point

[drealmerz7]

definitely more likely to be scum among those who have any familiarity with me (fedora, maria, Fb, UT) and are voting me at this point rather than ppl with zero familiarity, as I tend to get D1 SR and voted by town that isn't used to me - so I'd say you could make that pool of 4 the lynch options to at least CW me with (or build the RR wagon too and let's have 3, that's good)

[drealmerz7]

fedora+maria votes on me are ridiculous, really

[drealmerz7]

I get wagoned D1 a lot (as town), combined my sometimes-taken posting styles + intentional dangling myself as LHF to see who goes for me and draw out those who are scum thinking I'm an easy target

[drealmerz7]

plus, ya know, I had to post with this sort of enthusiasm with UT in the game - I know how he loves me having fun

[drealmerz7]

no, you just can't read my tone for shit, the enthusiasm I have is real

and then there is sarcasm in the post about UT

it's like, you can't read me at all or you just pretend to be really bad at it so you can try and paint me as scum

[drealmerz7]

repeat yourself some more

[drealmerz7]

repeat yourself some more

You're not at all curious as to my thought processes or who I feel is distancing from you?

never said that - but keep trying to put words in my mouth and my scumread on you keeps getting clearer and clearer

if you've got some thought processes and views to share, share them, duhfuck

[drealmerz7]

ya, let's throw maria in the pool!!! I have a very good feeling about doing that

[drealmerz7]

UT you either totally misunderstand what I do or are misrepping it hard - either way, just like last time, you are completely closed to me being anything other than awful because you don't play how you think I should play. and I'm not even going in to why even going for a PL at this point in D1 is horrible (I really just think it's a lameass excuse for you to plop a vote on me and try to help get me lynched, super-scummy, imo) I never said I try to make my play scummy, and I don't at all. I play silly a bit and with a little bit of the theme, it's too bad it's too much for you to handle and you find it so distracting you aren't able to play with it, but that is your problem. and I got at UT because he's a total buzzkill and has mostly just shittalked me ever without trying to understand or appreciate anything out of his comfort zone.

I'm mostly just ignoring fedora because they're either just horrible (nothing new or surprising there), or annoying scum.

[drealmerz7]

*because I DON'T PLAY like you think I should play

again, I don't really see anything scummy in the way I've played here or did in the thing, it just seems to me like you don't like ppl having fun

oh and

I don't have enough scumreads.
Someone help

this ^

[drealmerz7]

You just need 1 scumread on D1

eh, having 1 SR and pushing it on D1 is too narrow for anygame amount, imo, and in a 19p it's even better to have multiple comforts for lynching so it's easier to work with people towards achieving healthy wagons and a 'good' lynch (whether it produces scum or not)

in a game this size I don't mind having 5-6 "will lynch" candidates for D1, if I actually have that many comfortable scumreads/lynch comforts (it really just depends) - this game is pretty limited so far: fedora, UT, maria, which of course isn't likely to happen today

UNVOTE: mariar

I can see myself on the UT wagon but holding off for now, fedora would be preferred

[drealmerz7]

and I don't play like that every game either, it's just a matter of the theme and setting and how I feel etc. - this is a party where we're all like, airheads, dude! (duuude)

plus this is a largely unfamiliar playerlist and I need a way to gauge people, and I like to engage people to do that - I don't try pull some scummy gambit, I just try to be a little unsual since it helps me get a feel for ppl who interact with me - and it often helps me catch scum as I have a good record of feeling out which ppl are town and voting me for rubbing them the wrong way because I'm unsual and which ppl are scum and voting me because it's easy to make up reasons/excuses to want me lynched - I think fedora knows all of this and is one of these ppl

[drealmerz7]

klazaam has waffled back and forth for me, sliiiight scumlean if I had to, but some town indicators too, need more date/input to form the read more

firebringer not pushing a lynch harder has me a little worried

UT - aye, I play VI when not VI when it's a largely unknown playerlist (: - I think it comes off fake to those with more familiarity, and VI to those less familiar - so, yeah, cool, PEACE! *gets UT a zima*

[drealmerz7]

nothing has stood out too much for any of those 3, fedora, I like that they're contributing as much as they are

as far as ppl's issues with RR, I see the things he's doing ppl have issues with but don't think they're necessarily reasons to SR him, could just be town making effort, really, and similar with podoboq, but I'm liking his contributions more than RR's

def need more from max to get a lean either way

[drealmerz7]

it's like you don't even pay attention, no one is hard defending anyone- and it's not deferring, it's called NOT JUMPING TO A DEFINITE CONCLUSION like you are so presumptuous/arrogant to do - and you pushing ppl to OMG HAVE A READ ON THIS PLAYER is annoying/unreasonable

[drealmerz7]

how am I playing scummy?

[drealmerz7]

I did address your issues with maxwell...holyshit...

and how is me asking you to explain why you think I'm scummy bad? and where do you get that my ONLY concern is to not get lynched?

[drealmerz7]

you seriously whine if ppl don't give you reads you want to hear on other ppl when and how you want to hear them, it's so annoying, and I thikn something you do as scum to try and appear helpful, like you're "pressing for information" when really all you're doing is trying to paint ppl as scummy

[drealmerz7]

*pukes*

phewwww, didn't see that one coming

*ptewptew* - "flah - flakey...I need a drink! who's with me?!"

[drealmerz7]

vecna, yousotowny

[drealmerz7]

lurkers: I know, it's maddening

doesn't feel like a 19p at all

and as is often enough with my paranoia, thoughts of 2 scumteams keeps coming to mind (it's the lurker amount)

maria, I unvoted you because I liked your LUV vote at first, and your concession to not push the PL on me, which I think is either scummy BS or badtown, and with you flaking on it, I'm more inclined to think badtown. However your recent push on LUV stinks, but all that's done is given me a scumlean on you both.

vecna, you just feeling towny to me, I never claimed any history of accuracy in reading you (I came around to you as town in utopia and that titus was the scum using you, but it was never a hardread), obviously, but that doesn't mean I'll never be right on you (or that the towny won't change this game), unless you're claiming I'm not right?

[drealmerz7]

was ircher scum? where is TB? WHO ARE ALL THESE PEOPLE AND WHOSE PANTS ARE THESE?!?!

[drealmerz7]

how do you know that, wheme?

[drealmerz7]

that really doesn't make sense at all

[drealmerz7]

more like /ignore it/you

[drealmerz7]

I don't discount that it's likely only 1 scumteam, but that doesn't mean you know it is, and that you say you know it is because there was only 1 N0 plotdevice death, and that the mod is going to be killed another Night (now you amend what you said and add "attendees"), and whatever else nonsense that stems from all of that

on top of that you should never discount other possibilities or make assumptions like you're doing, you don't know, even if that is what is most likely

[drealmerz7]

why are you worried that we might have two teams? seems like a strange statement to make here, to me.

who said I was worried? did you comprehend the context of the comment I made?

[drealmerz7]

uzi, vecna, maxwell.

all blatant town

very much disagree on LUV, not that I think anyone is BLATANT town (your townpings biggest so far, but still I wouldn't say blatant by any means)

vote: LUV

You had to pick the one I was pretty sure was town

how interesting

[drealmerz7]

I'd been voting both Podo and Drealmerz, but the wagons stalled out and dissolved, so I tried another one...

uhhh, no, you were off my wagon long before it was in stall range

[drealmerz7]

VOTE: firebringer

[drealmerz7]

ya, LUV could definitely be scum

[drealmerz7]

I haven't made any recent moves, max

just been sitting here piddling

[drealmerz7]

they think I'm scum but haven't really said why other than "you're playing scummy"

[drealmerz7]

they think I'm scum but haven't really said why other than "you're playing scummy"

And playing scummy isnt a perfectly viable reason to lynch someone in your experience?

I'm not sure how you ENTIRELY miss the point of my post. The point is they're not actually saying what is scummy about my play, they're not making an argument of "drealmer is scum because this post is doing ______ _____ ______, which is scummy" - you know, playing mafia (no surprise from that slot though)

[drealmerz7]

Vecna - 1

(Radical Rat)

I think these 2 could be scum together

and guess what:

there's still scum on my wagon

[drealmerz7]

Assuming only one scum between the two of us, who would it be?

Who on your wagon do you think is most likely scum?

well considering the response you gave and the response vecna gave, I'll go with vecna

more likely scum between vecna and fedora? phewww that's a hard one, but I think fedora

[drealmerz7]

Replace out is NAI so if you vote soneone for that then ur scummy

uhhh, no, wrong, absolutely

you can't just generalize this AT ALL, for some people it is AI, for some others, it is not, you saying this makes me think you're scum with LUV, but then I have to remind myself you're horrible at mafia, soo, I dunno

[drealmerz7]

I just fucking did, dude

for some people it is AI, it just depends on the person

for some situations it is AI, it just depends on the situation

some players are like "oh fuck this I'm VT, I'ma replace out" or "ohshit I'm scum for the 3rd time in a row, I'ma replace out"

some ppl just can't get in to a game because they don't like being scum, and then it builds more and more (especially likely in a 19player game) and they're finally like "oh fine I'm out"

[drealmerz7]

I mean, how can I not lean scum on the ircher slot when I know that TB is often more lurker and less enthused about a game as scum and I had a scumlean on ircher in the first place? it would be silly to not take that in to consideration about TB

[drealmerz7]

ummm, TB adds an exclamation point in a 1-line post upon entering the game, fedora gives him a solid TR for that EETSY BIT OF PRACTICALLY NOTHING, and I'm the one "smoking something?"

again, I think fedora is scum too, soooo

ali, QUICK SUCKING AT MAFIA and give me a quote of one of my posts and explain why you think it is scummy

[drealmerz7]

quit, too

[drealmerz7]

ummm, I've brought up that they're not actually explaining their thoughts on me like 3 times

this is my trying to GET SOMETHING OUT OF THEM THAT IS USEFUL

it's not rude, it's mafia, and ali knows I think he sucks hardcore, it's nothing new and saying so isn't rude

[drealmerz7]

like there are seriously probably 3 or 4 previous games where ali wants me lynched but all he says is "drealmerz is scum" or "more votes on drealmerz!"

it's ACTUALLY atrocious mafia play, continually

I told him to quit SUCKING AT IT

[drealmerz7]

I think your confusion is in my EBWOP

I mistyped "quick" instead of "quit"

[drealmerz7]

When Drealmerz is the voice of reason, things have become quite weird.

the past 6 months of my life have been hell and immense stress and lack of sleep

the past week (minus the past couple days as something came up, but it quickly receded) has been the most relaxed I've been in probably 2 years - prepare for a different drealmer whose thoughts are more easy to follow (still not wonderful, I'm sure), more elaborate, and an overall better player

oh, and more calm too - like I'm soooo chill and laidback but everyone things I'm an aggro asshole because I've not handled stress well - I gotta deal with that but it's the truth (and doesn't mean I won't rage at the stupid from time to time still)

[drealmerz7]

yeaaahhhhhh...

[drealmerz7]

oh and ummm:

Fresh, Gamma Emerald, Gerryoat, Untrod Tripod

VOTE PLEASE

[drealmerz7]

or anyone else that ppl decide to consolidate on

[drealmerz7]

I think my preferred one among those is Podoboq
VOTE: podoboq
But drealmerz has a point too

I mean, I think that makes you 3rd on that wagon? with 19players, any wagon is viable

why don't you make apush on someone you think is likely scum?

[drealmerz7]

lynches I'd be comfortable with here:

fedora
Fb
UT
gerry
wheme
dramonic

[drealmerz7]

you seriously need to learn to articulate yourself better, wheme - your post is useless, wait what what??? you don't understand my post? it's like REALLY simple

it's a list

of players

that I am comfortable voting to lynch

today

get it yet?

[drealmerz7]

there are 6 in my will-lynch list that I gave

there are 2 in that list that are not voting

that is 1/3, not 1/2, eh?????? who has a total lack of understanding SIMPLE MATH?!

how does what I said show a lack of understanding? articulate/elaborate that thought please, I don't know where it comes from/how you get it

I'm not treating wheme as if he's inarticulate town, what makes you say that? I'm treating him like he's inarticulate/illiterate

[drealmerz7]

I do, do you get that your list is horrible?

*holds your hand*

now explain WHY you think this

[drealmerz7]

ummm, I'm chill

[drealmerz7]

how can you not deduce that from what I've said?

I'm not comfortable voting him should be enough, and that should already be clear

like, holyshit, you are so infuriating, titus

[drealmerz7]

that doesn't explain why you think the list is horrible

my thoughts on the ircher slot should be clear
you SRing UT is irrelevant

[drealmerz7]

BECAUSE I DON'T SCUMREAD THEM/HAVE A SCUM LEAN ON THEM / FEEL COMFORTABLE VOTING THEM TODAY

HOW IS THAT HARD TO GET?!?!?!??!

[drealmerz7]

I think you're just being annoying scum, titus

[drealmerz7]

this is fedora trying to pretend to be helpful game-solving town, when they're really just scum posturing, PPL ^^^

like, seriously...fucking ridiculous

I don't SR them because they haven't done things to make me SR them and no one has made a good case on them as to why what they've done is scumdicative - like, this is seriously basic mafia no-fucking-shit shit

you asking if I TR them is scummy as F, imo only scum cares who someone else TRs

where am I annoyed by questions I'm asking myself? what does that even mean?!

Fb, want to go off you and try and help me lynch fedora?

[drealmerz7]

should have phrased that "get off yourself" and made a joke like "ohwait it's not that kind of party"

[drealmerz7]

you haven't laid out why you're suspicious of me...and all I see you doing towards anyone else is trying to find reasons for what they're doing to be scummy rather than actually finding what they're doing scummy

I'm not being stubborn

Fb is being stubborn if anyone is in this game

I'm simply on D1 in a 19p with a bunch of unfamiliar players and my lynch comforts are based on an accumulation of factors (scumreads/leans, which associations will pay off with a flip regardless of the color, where I feel there is likely scum) - if I had any outstanding reads, I'D FUCKING SHARE THEM AND YOU KNOW IT AND THIS IS WHY YOU'RE SCUM

[drealmerz7]

vecna, you were so sure LUV was town earlier

[drealmerz7]

can add vecna to my "will lynch today list"

[drealmerz7]

@Drealmerz, I have. It's your insistence that you're not TRing podoboq, Maxwell, and Kuroi but unwilling to lynch them. The four of you have the same stances towards each other. You've been, as a collective, nitpicking at anyone else, yet refusing to provide any substance yourselves.

Now you're AtEing and playing the victim. You admitted you were scummy earlier. You seemed more concerned that certain people don't get lynched than finding scum.

I also don't care for your handwaive.

If you don't legit have reads, then you should lay out what you need to do it and do it, not whine that I am engaging your silly tantrum.

holyshit, whine some more, repeat yourself some more

I'm not AtEing at all: QUOTE THE FUCKING POST YOU THINK I AM SO I CAN FUCKING ADDRESS THIS BULLSHIT

I never said I was scummy, again QUOTE THE FUCKING POST SO I CAN ADDRESS THIS BULLSHIT

I'm not "conerned that certain ppl don't get lynched" AT ALL -that you is just either being a shit player or scum trying to paint a false picture

[drealmerz7]

"OMGZ drealmer won't vote the people I WANT HIM TO VOTE FOR, *whinewhine*" - titus

if you don't 'care for the drama' stop creating it by whining at me repeatedly about the same shit over and over, eh???

I'm not throwing a tantrum, I'm sick of your shit ability to understand a goddamn fucking thing / your scumplay of pretending to be that way

[drealmerz7]

here's an idea, Fb

VOTE FOR WHO YOU THINK IS MOST LIKELY SCUM

Podoboq, Maxwell, Kuroi or Drealmerz. I has cookies.

wow, really???

REPEAT YOURSELF 10 MORE TIMES MAYBE SOMEONE DIDN'T READ IT THE FIRST 20 FUCKING TIMES

[drealmerz7]

how does anyone tolerate that shit?

[drealmerz7]

hey vecna, quote what the fuck you mean about 'nonsense' - all my posts have been in response to fedora's shit posts

seriously, what is with these SHIT questions? I haven't addressed LUV because LUV hasn't done anything that I felt I needed to address

DUHFUCK?!?!?!?!?

[drealmerz7]

All your other scumreads are on people that fit in that exact category...........

WHAT ON EARTH ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT?!?!

my only real scumreads are fedora (doesn't fit that category) and gerry, if I had to forcepoop another SR it'd be Fb, but he's just a hard lean mostly playing super scummy all Day

everyone else is just a scumlean that I'm comfortable voting for the Day, or whemestar (who has waffled for me a good deal)

LUV is completely null for me with some pings in either direction - I wouldn't hate him being lynched today but I'm not going to vote for him either

you and fedora are trying to make my "null or nothing to share" list as me defending against their lynch it seems

[drealmerz7]

umm, nope, not true at all, vecna

[drealmerz7]

Lynch Dreal and we let the bullets sort it? If either of us dies, we work from the other's pool until their pool minus Drealmerz is proven incorrect?

get over yourself and this horrible shit way to try and play, seriously

it's D1 in a 19p and you want to behave like it's D4, it's BAD

[drealmerz7]

AND YOU STILL DON'T SAY WHY YOU THINK I'M SCUM

or, you know, consider the possibility that I'm town and that if I get lynched you'll be shown to be wrong immediately - this is the sort of blind arrogance that comes from scum-titus all of the time. she doesn't address potentialities so she can legitimize her shit strances

[drealmerz7]

that's persuasive, thanks, I could maybe be swayed nearer deadline for LUV, especially like your #2 point

I had strong pings of him as scum earlier in the game but he became a null/need more data from future Days at some point along the line

[drealmerz7]

If this is normal play for dreal, UT is off my scumlist completely.

yes I will always get annoyed at titus when she pushes the same stupid shit over and over

[drealmerz7]

large themes need more D1 vigilantes

[drealmerz7]

kuroi is definitely better, but I'm not a bad shot either (I'd argue otherwise if this playerlist had more familiarity with me though)

if I had vig. shot I'd be shooting fedora (obvs?)

[drealmerz7]

UT is actually a great shot too

[drealmerz7]

why did you tell us that now?

[drealmerz7]

hmmm missed that one somehow, but yes it was obvious he did it because he's claiming to think he's going to be the NK, but I wanted to hear a response from vecna...

vecna, how does fullclaiming that improve your chances of living?

[drealmerz7]

all feels kind of LAMIST to me

[drealmerz7]

very first edition

next edition will be deja-vu mafia

[drealmerz7]

that really sounds like you should have waited until tomorrow to claim anything about that role

wow

totally can vote vecna today

[drealmerz7]

Here's what I hope is an accurate account of votes:

Lil Uzi Vert - 6 (dramonic, MariaR, KuroiXHF, Radical Rat, Vecna, KidAmn)
drealmerz7 - 2 (MaxwellPuckett, podoboq)
Firebringer - 1 (drealmerz7)
Untrod Tripod - 1 (PeregrineV)
MariaR - 1 (Lil Uzi Vert)
KuroiXHF - 2 (WhemeStar, Firebringer)
podoboq – 3 (Gamma Emerald, Klazam, Little Red Fedora)

Not Voting: Fresh, Gerryoat, Untrod Tripod

*commence UT yelling at you for trying to be helpful*

@podo: are you even reading what has gone on? I barely say anything, and fedora continues with their stupid shit towards me, so I finally address it, and they continue with their shit like it is difficult to understand my positions, as you said, antagonizing me, very likely intentionally - and this is a low amount of pages for a 19p game at this stage in D1 - please elaborate as to what I'm doing that is soooo horrible for town and how me being alive makes the game unwinnable for town? that just reads like a bunch of BS posturing

[drealmerz7]

like seriously, fedora is the problem, not me, kill them and this game will be much better, all they're interested in doing is pushing their own agendas and pretending to look like they're working with people over it

[drealmerz7]

sure, I can hammer LUV, no problem - I was actually figuring I'd be okay hammering him but didn't want to give the wagon the momentum of 'will vote' at the point it was at yesterday

VOTE: Lil Uzi Vert

comfortable doing that because:

it will help sort some slots + getting another replacement at this point is worse for the game than just flipping the slot + it is possible scum fosho

[drealmerz7]

like seriously, fedora is the problem, not me, kill them and this game will be much better, all they're interested in doing is pushing their own agendas and pretending to look like they're working with people over it

Then hammer LUV.
Titus is being pretty clear about defending the slot, so if you think she's scum, it's likely LUV is as well.
And if LUV flips scum, it will be much easier to form a case on Fedora.

The fact Drealmerz is grandstanding should tell you LUV is flipping town and he doesn't want scum evenly spaced. Drealmerz needs me discredited and a town flip doesn't do that. Drealmerz needs me dead for pride or pm.

you are so horribly wrong, as always - I am not you, you are the one who wants ppl dead for your arrogant pride ALL THE FUCKING TIME, not me, I play mafia, not some ego-bullshit that you do

[drealmerz7]

you're welcome, T-Bone

p-edit: gamma has it, and said it much more calmly

[drealmerz7]

like seriously, both ali and titus have played with me enough to know that I am anal about L-1 claims being allowed and should be able to compute in their heads why I didn't care to here in this game, but no, they just want to try and paint me scummy for it - they're the ppl who desperately want my lynch to satiate their egos

[drealmerz7]

I want to drink blood though, UT!

[drealmerz7]

"HEY!!! HEY WAKE UP, LUV" - *pokes LUV with a stick* he's apparently fallen asleep at the edge of the pool amidst all the goings-on and murder-talk

did he take drugs and pass out?

"well, he's useless" says drealmer. drealmer looks around and sees a pair of stilletos under a table that someone has taken off because their feetsies got sore (I bet it was alisae). *grabs a stilleto**stabs LUV in the back of the neck with it, then rolls him into the infinitey pool*

@klazam, agree, podo just went from townlean to scumlean for me in the past 2 pages

[drealmerz7]

and what makes you say that, dreal?

well I totally agree with you in regards to their position towards the LUV wagon, it feels unnatural, like either scum who feels pressure to bus in order to try and get some cred or scum who knows the lynch is town and is trying to justify their position on the wagon pre-greenflip

@podo - yes but your support of the lynch regardless of claim feels more fabricated than genuine

like you (that's the General Yu, folks - cousin to General Tso) could come at me for my voting of LUV and all I've got for anyone is "he was getting replaced at EoD and wasn't at all a TR for me, it was a good pro-town lynch and I was comfortable with it and even think it is possible he is scum"

but, for you, podo, you seem like you're trying to cover your ass and give more than what you've actually got to legitimize (holy shit this thing says "legitimatize" is a word) your vote

[drealmerz7]

duskpost

[drealmerz7]

Can w just get a damn flip

clearly the boner isn't UP for it atm (and probs wants flavor ready to go with the flip)

[drealmerz7]

well I totally agree with you in regards to their position towards the LUV wagon, it feels unnatural, like either scum who feels pressure to bus in order to try and get some cred or scum who knows the lynch is town and is trying to justify their position on the wagon pre-greenflip

Yet instead of making motions on MY wagon, the competing counter wagon, you decided to LYNCH the person I was voting.

In both of the circumstances you suppose, I am scum. In only one of them is LUV scum. And yet you lynched LUV.

you're a scumlean I'm not comfortable voting today, would like to sort more and get more from you, because if you're town you are valuable - LUV flip helps sort you too

[drealmerz7]

Dreal specifically i wanna know why you hammered him instead of pushing pod if you felt he was a scumlean?

didn't feel like pushing podo much but it was more an issue of the LUV slot getting lynched being pro-town and helpful to the mod and flow of the game - we need a flip, not a replacement that comes in and takes 2+ days (bringing us to the brink of deadline) to get caught up and give us anything of worth before we scramble to make a lynch somewhere

[drealmerz7]

You hammered because your scumlean told you to?

can you please learn reading comprehension?

[drealmerz7]

I've seen governor work both ways

[drealmerz7]

ftr, I also don't mind being wagoned, I'm a prime target for scum to push tomorrow and if they're successful my wagon+LUV wagon are going to be really helpful to help solve the game going forward

podo, stop putting words in my mouth, I never said Ithought you were more likely scum than LUV, what is so hard to understand about not being comfortable voting for a scumlean? jsut because I have you leaning one way doesn't mean I'm comfortable with your lynch on this Day, I want more from you to sort you more, because I'm fully aware my lean on you could be wrong and it is at a point that I'M NOT COMFORTABLE VOTING IT (like, really, what is so fucking hard to understand????)

[drealmerz7]

hey look, was going to say we do 1/3 today:

fedora
UT
podo

will hold the vote for now since the Day just started, but really I'm okay with a relatively quicklynch of both UT and fedora

[drealmerz7]

Dreal what do you think about the set up speculation

meh, more likely that it serves scum more than town and that ppl with roles should know when to give their information or not - and that that is why the fakeclaim shit that Fb does is so bad, because when it comes time to actually give a claim, it's harder to take his word

Do you agree with the assesment that theres definately a scum in you/fedora Dreal? And that we'd be pretty much obliged to lynch you the day after if Fedora ever flips town?

this is a weird question - I know I'm town, I am pretty sure fedora is scum, but I don't discount that I could be wrong, of course. If you lynched me before fedora I'd say definitely lynch fedora after me, of course, and if we lynched fedora and they happened to be town, I'd say no way should you lynch me, cause I'm town.

I'm not sure scumdreal would hammer luv without a claim, that's sketchy to me

yeah, that hammer is totally not at all what I would have done as scum / I'd have done what fedora was complaining I didn't do, and more. Relied on my anal-ness for an L-1 claim, probably tried to derail the wagon simply out of lack of content and replace-out status, berated those being opportunistic on a convenient wagon and set up some lynch-potentials for the next day

oh btw

@T-Bone, it still says "Day Phase One" ??"

UT IS INNOCENT!

I haven't read everything yet, but I have read up to his bodyguard claim, which happens to be my role today.
The full role is actually

Wrong Place At The Wrong Time

Bodyguard.

wtf, you should have made UT give the name first

And he wouldnt bus his teammate there that was sure to go down for towncred....why exactly?

because like I just said, much easier to 1.) try and disuade the wagon for easy reasons and, 2.) I would have been in a fine position of not needing to bus and making someone else at least hammer if we couldn't get the wagon swung. Plus, look at the role he flipped, and a D1 bus is brutal. That is why only 1 of UT/podo are scum, and why fedora is even more likely scum (I say we go for fedora first instead of UT, because I'm also disinclined to believe Fb a bit, regardless of the feeling of likelness that UT could be scum.) So much more sure of fedora.

Scum do not have permanent roles. While the wording is a bit wonky, "members of the town" is a generic reference to all players. If town were capitalized as Town, it would probably mean scum had static roles, but given the lowercase there and the explicit statement that all players get Amnesiac roles...... Scum roles shift too.

I do not think so at all and that you're pushing this is suspicious as F

[drealmerz7]

i am kind of thinking passives and actives can pass to different people.
that means UT wasn't a miller.

My guilty is accurate.

I think they belong together as one role. I have the same role as yesterday and both the passive and active are still the same. Wouldnt make much sense if they would mix up since it could create some pretty broken things id say.

On the other hand.....it would totally make sense as to why this stuff happened with UT in the way it did.

it would also make sense if you were scum

because I'm pretty sure scum roles don't rotate and town roles do

I'm also pretty sure the modifiers don't mix around either

I'm also pretty sure that when someone is lynched, their role dies with them/is removed from the game, but if they are NKed, at that point they are all partygoers again (or an unchanging scumrole, which if had been killed in Night instead of the townies that died would just reveal whatever scumrole that player had)

[drealmerz7]

I don't think so. Macho Cop is a standard role to prevent Follow the Cop, isn't it? What are the odds that you got that D1 by pure chance?

as far as i know the original role group wasn't randomed at all.
meaning macho + cop was originally intended to be a day 1/night 1 thing.

but that doesn't mean it was meant to stay that way.

I think this is just serving up BS

and I also am not liking vecna's posting so far this Day at all

[drealmerz7]

because I'm pretty sure scum roles don't rotate and town roles do

Do you have a role-related reason to believe scum keep the same amnesiac role throughout the game? if you do not, then you are wrong.

why are you role-fishing about it, why not just ask me why I think this?

anyway, I was pretty sure I read it from T-Bone somewhere at some point, maybe it was in a PM pre-game asking about the game, or before/when it went in to signups?

there's also this:

"Factional Abilities are unique to each faction, and may or may not require player targeting. Factional kills are also considered Active Abilities for some role interactions and NAR." - so the scum at least are only rotating between their own pool of roles, but I really thought somewhere it said they were assigned and kept their roles...hmmm, let's see if the mod clears it up.

[drealmerz7]

Ok so to summarize all the stuff we think we know, and to erase all the false information: this is the most accurate speculation we can come up with at this point:

-All players were randomly assigned an amnesiac power D1.

VT is also a possibility to be assigned.

[drealmerz7]

Ok so to summarize all the stuff we think we know, and to erase all the false information: this is the most accurate speculation we can come up with at this point:

-All players were randomly assigned an amnesiac power D1.

VT is also a possibility to be assigned.

Is this you claiming that you had no power on day1 or day2?

correct

Unless someone is gonna claim to have vigged someone on N1 I think we can also rather safely assume that the game started with 4 scum and one serial killer.

The game rules section strongly hints at a serial killer as well, so id say its pretty plausible - and it would also explain why town seems to have a reasonably high power level with all these roles floating around.

I always think paranoids and vigs are possible, and vigs don't always necessarily want to come forward if they shot town + have more shots, though I also think SK is likely too.

[drealmerz7]

I think it makes me look pretty damn town, imo

Wifom of the bus taken in to account if I were scum, it makes more sense for me to not hammer /support his lynch if I were his scumbud. It would have been easy for me to stay away from it, really. Vecna and fedora both trying to make me look fishy for that hammer are fishy, imo, that was such a pro-town and good hammer. I already explained it.

[drealmerz7]

I agreed with you actually, and was suspicious of him from early on, when you were TRing him and before. He seemed off, but wasn't giving me enough to push him on. I simply wasn't vocalizing it because, if he was town, I didn't think it was a good idea to state my willingness to vote him early because I thought it would make the wagon weaker / and more likely to roll (again, if it were town.) But really, the whole time in my head I knew if it was going to come down to it (before his wagon even formed, way back around the time when maria got off of me and went on LUV I was like saying to myself "yeah that is a wagon I could support today") that I would vote LUV.

I think there is scum in either podo or fedora - if I'm wrong about it being in either of them I'm thinking it's UT (and UT still could be scum with either of them if 1 of them is)

[drealmerz7]

that's the thing though, vecna, he didn't seem "quite alright" to me, he seemed that way to you, not to me or maria - just because I think maria's push on LUV stinks doesn't mean I think he shouldn't be pushed or that I don't suspect him, and most of those posts are me suspecting him, it's not me setting up a bus like PYP at all, not even close - you're simply either wrong or scum trying to paint it that way

[drealmerz7]

LUV busers most likely in the 6-9 range of slots on the wagon, also possible in the 3-5 slots but less likely (if there are 2 busers the likelihood of 1 being in this range goes up), and even less likely to be in the 1or2 spots - I think

[drealmerz7]

I made that post and then vecna was in the preview (:

[drealmerz7]

agree that it'd be idiotic, but, hey, can't discount it completely either (good to note and table it is the thing to do, really)

[drealmerz7]

vecna, I'm really not scum, that you think I am is a little off to me, but then, I can't read you well at all either, you're a huge ??????? (pile of 'em!) for me

I think there is definitely scum between LRF and podo, so I think we should definitely be for fedora if you think it's between fedora + me (@maria too)

[drealmerz7]

Vecna (maybe)
WhemeStar
LRD
Gerry
Dram
Gamma

All lynches you could get me on.

I really like this list except:

gamma feels a little off but it's a null read so far so would need to let that grow before being comfortable with that lynch

dramonic, mehhh, there's like nothing there, hard to be comfortable with it, at least today, there are much better options

what about Fb? I think he, gerry, wheme, podo are good choices (on top of fedora, of course)

[drealmerz7]

and vecna isn't a bad choice either but, again, could let that read grow and go for a few others first that I feel better about

[drealmerz7]

oh hey, I prepped this over Night:

[drealmerz7]

VOTE:

little

red

fe uh

[drealmerz7]

UT, use the flavor to supplement your forgetful ways! (:

[drealmerz7]

I cast my vote, def. good on that wagon

cool if you want to wait until they say some shits though, no rush (err, but again, I wouldn't hate a semi-quicklynch on fedora, really)

I agree podo and titus aren't scum together, that's why I was thinking the UT or podo spots on the LUV wagon when coming in to the Day today, with RR, vecna, gamma being 2ndary level likelihoods on that wagon for being scum

so just a matter of whittling down

meh, I really think if 1-3 had scum in them they'd have hopped off when any of 5-8 got on to try for derail

[drealmerz7]

doesn't rule it out completely, but, not really the spots to look at all right now at least, of course always keep eye on all players from that wagon and what they do going forward to help with the VCA, but, don't over do rightnow, imo

[drealmerz7]

I don't like your colorings, vecna, not because I don't agree or whatever, but, your "I'ma make these nonflipped ppl green and these red" is no-good to me

[drealmerz7]

the other good thing to do with the LUV wagon right now is compare it, it's only CW, and it's earlier CWs (me and UT) and see the common threads and what associations ppl had

fedora sticks out as likely scum from that (on top of the rest of their super-scumness)

[drealmerz7]

another reason I wanted to hammer so fast, btw, definitely didn't want scum hopping off

[drealmerz7]

"don't do it" and then you quote it anyway, making it happen again - what's your problem with it, dramonic? why voting me? because you don't like my big Door?

[drealmerz7]

dramonic, please, play the game "I'm voting you because you're scum" is not acceptable at all.

[drealmerz7]

dramonic, please, play the game "I'm voting you because you're scum" is not acceptable at all.

Your spam isn't acceptable.

I don't have any spam, holyshit go away

[drealmerz7]

laughable

[drealmerz7]

that's not an example of spam, that's an example of you not being able to discern what is readable content / not being able to read all posts for their content

(unlike blank "____ is scum" posts - which are essentially useless shitposts)

[drealmerz7]

...as you ignore all of my other posts, and my scumhunting skills are somewhat limited early in large games especially when I don't know a lot of the players at all/very well, I've said that AND you know that I've caught scum plenty of times, so, you're just posting BS, really - you don't know what spam is

anyway, you're just trying to antagonize me it seems

[drealmerz7]

there are seriously 16 other fucking players in the game and most of them haven't posted anything, and I am trying to sort the game and talk about things, and fedoria is whining I'm not scumhunting, among everyone else in the game, when the Day just started too, it's ridiculous

I am scumhunting, I found you, again (this time right at the start of the game), and you are mad

fedora, you're scum because you've been trying to push a select view of convenient narratives from the start of the game based on practically nothing, trying to make it look like you're busy-busy scumhunting when all you're doing is scum-painting, and you're all in a grrrr about it because nothing is going your way (submitting to your arrogant force of will), you're scum because you can't even begin to try and actually and sort anyone, you're just still focused on pushing the narratives that suit you (just like you were pushing that LUV was town)

[drealmerz7]

14

[drealmerz7]

that's not a stoner thing, that just a lazy thing, c'mon, Fb