The Mystery at King's Landing (Game Over)

[MathBlade]

Abandon hope all ye townies! Go scum!

Bah!

[MathBlade]

GG nice work.

Damn it was so close I wanted ABR and Titus to lead the town the wrong way then when ABR suspected me out of the blue it got bad.

Well played Town nice try scum buddies

[MathBlade]

Let the memes begin:

Whenever Math has a traitor on the scum team they shoot them. XD

[MathBlade]

Yeah as I said in the scum and or Dead PT the game was fool ABR and well....I fooled him a little while.

Titus I love you <3

/me hugs

[MathBlade]

House Dondarrion vanilla cop Greyjoy (successful - "Not Vanilla")

Yeah, this was (kind of) planned for.

But not the vig...lol

Fun game!

However, and this is based on only my experiences that I actually remember, it seems like alt games have mostly been town wins.

This one and Author Mafia are only two, granted, but now would kind of like to collect data and/or have a couple more games run entirely of alts.

Thoughts?

Sc2 mafia runs a lot of alt games. Those tend to be split. When people honor the intent it becomes a lot better. Even though we lost it was so much fun to not have to read don't listen to Math because Math every three seconds. Like even though we lost it was probably one of my more fun games to date. <3

[MathBlade]

I would love to see more alt games here.

[MathBlade]

I would love to see more alt games here.

I'll run another one. I have a setup idea in my brainqueue.

/pre-in

[MathBlade]

I had good reads before fake claims and ABR being toxic, minus Frey.

I'll just go back to no ABR playing when I am aware it's him. Can't trust a damn thing he says and he'll lie too.

P.S. please no fake clears.

I love you but your reads sucked and so did ABR's til he busted me. When he did it all fell apart.

I put you guys together to run town into the ground. I just messed up shooting Bolton. Mastina had a great game just ugh.

Oh yeah I was saying Kill Seaworth as soon as it was night but then through discussion I was "convinced" Tully was the traitor and to shoot Bolton.

/me has sads

If I had been domineering me I think we would have won but I didn't want to dominate the scum PT.

[MathBlade]

Titus being in the game made it slightly more challenging because I had to navigate around her and convince every other townie to back me up, but I managed to do it and we won.

Guess what, if you worked with me earlier and weren't a lying sack of crap, you didn't need to work around me. You wouldn't have to work around me if you could be honest and handle being suspected rather than get in a dick measuring contest.

I do not like playing with you because you focus more on making yourself look good than catching scum. That throws my game completely off.

Both of you seriously...I love you both as people. Don't do this. /me group hug

[MathBlade]

ABR played a good game. I just didn't fool him like I said I needed to in the scum PT. If we could have gotten Martell that day this game would be horribly different. It could have been argued we lost it at many points but when ABR just "flipped" and suspected me when I used to be in the town block, that kinda killed it. Overall ABR is the town MVP.

[MathBlade]

still cant believe you accidentally crumbed your modifier.

That was so cool.

This always happens when I'm scum.

Shadowrun and this game -- Math shot the traitor
Shadowrun and this game -- Accidental crumbs of powers by townies
Difference between the two games -- Didn't kill the crumber

[MathBlade]

My power should just be I mind control all the townies into dropping pants and then yell at them for doing it.

[MathBlade]

Yep exactly. I waffled on Bolton myself but then was convinced because not only that but...

Tully (Firebringer) mentioned meat space
I had a traitor in that game. Between that and meat space and the scum PT convincing me I was "wrong" Bolton's death with the CC was inevitable.

[MathBlade]

Hey greyjoy, how you doing in what we call meat space?

Feel like joining me on Martell wagon?

<< Shadowrun reference
<< Tully was obviously FB at this point
<< I had a traitor in Shadowrun
<< Innocent claim on Greyjoy
<< Demolished town read on entry

<< How the fucking hell Tully didn't turn up traitor surprised the FUCK out of me.

[MathBlade]

So I decided to see if Baraethon today would still be that vanity wagon.

I can't imagine a scum-aligned Baratheon given our lack of town power.

House Arryn-VT

House Baratheon -Half Gunsmith

House Bolton -Scum Half Doc Traitor

House Clegane -Half vig

House Connington -Half Gunsmith
House Dondarrion -Vanilla Cop
House Frey -VT
House Greyjoy -VT?
House Martell -VT

House Mormont -Jailkeeper

House Reed -VT?

House Seaworth - Half vig

House Stark - VT
House Tully - Half doc

House Tyrell - VT

We have two half vigs, a JK, two half gun smiths, a vanilla cop, and a half doc. Presumably 3 scum and a traitor. The scum even chose to kill a half vig over an investigative. We are ridiculously underpowered. How can Bara be scum?

So

Dondarrion

Stark

Baratheon

team.

Frey is literally saying that our setup is 2 half vigs, 1 gunsmith, 1 half doc, 1 JK, THATS IT. In a large game.

That's insane.

Mathblade, I was intentionally lying here. I wanted to goad you into revealing your thoughts on the setup to determine what sort of opposition town was facing. You shouldn't have argued your point. I would have been a bit less sure on Baratheon scum if you had let this point go but you argued it.

Good to know thank you

[MathBlade]

I has sads

The great Mastina math hybrid destroyed *sniff*

Ugh.

[MathBlade]

Hey greyjoy, how you doing in what we call meat space?

Feel like joining me on Martell wagon?

<< Shadowrun reference
<< Tully was obviously FB at this point
<< I had a traitor in Shadowrun
<< Innocent claim on Greyjoy
<< Demolished town read on entry

<< How the fucking hell Tully didn't turn up traitor surprised the FUCK out of me.

lol I wasn't mentioning shadowrun.

Meat space = location in Shadowrun. You and I were in that game. It may not have been intentional but....

[MathBlade]

Bolton was in an extremely dominant position and played the best scum game of his life, but he's too arrogant to understand that he took too much risk just to kill Mormont.

I didn't exactly have much of a choice:
-If I didn't counterclaim House Mormont, my plan wouldn't have worked.

People would wonder, come D2, why I didn't counterclaim House Mormont on D1. (To be honest, the presence of a full-JK legit surprised me. When I CCed Mormont, I thought Mormont was an even-night jailkeeper. I wasn't lying when I said his role simply didn't fit, from my understanding of the game.)

Furthermore. If House Mormont lived and blocked me, then--while it would save me from the scum's nightkill--it would also prevent me from executing my plan. I had been breadcrumbing my plan all-day. My claim was set in stone, and I couldn't back out of it. Which brings me to...

-I was probably dead anyway. I tried, every step of the way, to tell the scum "I AM YOUR TRAITOR", without saying "TULLY IS NOT YOUR TRAITOR" (because the latter would be a scumclaim, so no, Titus, I never did this contrary to what you thought and everyone saying as much to you was right), but because I couldn't exactly give them any signal without it being a scumclaim (I couldn't identify scum as 'Spies', since if we had a scumflip me doing so early-on would rightfully be seen as a scumslip; I similarly couldn't identify scum as being Targyrenean because if we had a scumflip me doing so early-on especially given my lack of flavor knowledge would be a scumclaim), I knew I was likely getting nightkilled anyway.

I *WAS* the protective role for odd nights. (I assumed Mormont was even-night JK, and thus, couldn't protect me.) Meaning, I knew there wasn't going to be a doctor or a bodyguard or whatnot on me. Meaning, I was wide open to attack. (I also knew that if I died to the scum nightkill then any other protection claim after that would be seen as town.)

I knew I was obvtown.
I knew I was a town leader.
I knew that thanks to having Baratheon as a heavy suspicion and Frey on the southern side of null, scum who didn't know I was a traitor would think I was deadly-accurate.

So given those factors: I was expecting to die even WITHOUT the claim.
If I was going to be the nightkill even without counterclaiming...what did I lose by trying to take out a town power role? I lost nothing.
I gained:
-Potentially signalling my true alignment to my team, AND
-A dead town PR.

Counterclaiming was a low-risk, high-reward move. I figured I couldn't be more dead than I already was going to be to a town nightkill. I figured I wouldn't eat the vig. (Clegane strongly townread me and I felt my counterclaiming a flipped town PR wouldn't warrant a 180 in of itself.) Not threatened by the town, not any more threatened by the scum than I already was, yet giving a near-guaranteed reward to the scumteam.

...

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That being said

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You're not exactly wrong; I got greedy.
I wanted to be everything the scum needed all at once.
The problem was the scum needed to KNOW I was everything the scum needed all at once.

I never would have killed you without the claim. I was working on buddying you. *sigh*

[MathBlade]

Meat space = location in Shadowrun. You and I were in that game. It may not have been intentional but....

Meat space = real life

XD

[MathBlade]

Meh the game is over.

Everyone knows I am Frey. Well played sir. One of these days we will have to see if you can catch me again and get you back to 500 on catching me. When I fool elite players I get happy. While I didn't win I fooled you some and given my derp (which can be argued not a derp but if I had went with my gut we'd have been better off)