Spring Fever (Endgame)

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vecna were you on much around the jjh/shiqf wagons?

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Spoiler:

GOODNIGHT

THE REST OF YOU FEEL FREE TO JUST SKIP THIS MESS FROM PAGE 239 TO HERE IF YOU WANT. IT'S JUST ME AND TITUS FIGHTING AND I THINK SHE COULD BE SCUM AND SHE THINKS I COULD BE SCUM.

IF YOU WANT TO READ IT...HAVE FUN.

Stop letting yourself be manipulated and actually follow your reads.

im 100% convinced there is one scum in Transcend and Titus.

Either Titus is scum, and neither he nor Dunn ended up dead because it would look more suspicious on the other.....

Or scum wants the two of us to fight, and Transcend is happily jumping aboard as soon as I oblige.

did you mean dunn and titus in the second line?

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Yo yo yo i'm here
i visited alisae night one. i tried to night 2 but because they were out of the game I couldn't. i targetted Titus instead.
assuming menno is scum I'm basically guaranteed to not use my ability successfully unless someone else keeps me alive.
I'm a doctor.
I'm not certain on Titus and expected them to be the NK if town so I could possibly clear them if there was no kill.
trans unless some fuckery has happened your guilty shouldn't be on me.
VOTE: mcmenno
any questions?

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fb, sorry for not exactly telling you the truth. I wanted to bvait the night kill onto me if you were scum. me not dying p much townfirms you though

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alisae/jjh, should i out the secret message to explain stuff from last night?

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fb, sorry for not exactly telling you the truth. I wanted to bvait the night kill onto me if you were scum. me not dying p much townfirms you though

that's fucking bullshit

why would scum nightkill a lurksack like you over literally anyone else

~narna

because of the message i sent him.

if you base everything on roles then titus should be confscum to you right? because why would there be two docs in a game?

~narna

oh fuck off that is not what is happening here.

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i thought you were town which is why i told you something similar to the truth. i just wasn't certain and didn't want to risk it. I'm really sorry but its what I thought was the best play there. I figured that what I told you would be as useful if you were town as knowing my actual role but made me seem stronger than I was.

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Yo yo yo i'm here
i visited alisae night one. i tried to night 2 but because they were out of the game I couldn't. i targetted Titus instead.
assuming menno is scum I'm basically guaranteed to not use my ability successfully unless someone else keeps me alive.
I'm a doctor.
I'm not certain on Titus and expected them to be the NK if town so I could possibly clear them if there was no kill.
trans unless some fuckery has happened your guilty shouldn't be on me.
VOTE: mcmenno
any questions?

Then whomever Frogger visited has a guilty if you're honest.

bingo.

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alisae/jjh, should i out the secret message to explain stuff from last night?

quoted for emphasis bc need to know the answer to this ASAP

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oh btw in my message to fb i told him i was an alisae visit on night 1.

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Wait, do I get to shoot things now?

pedit: @Random

pedit: Wait, you got another message or are you refering to the code that was being passed from jjh to you earlier in D2?

yeah the code. because that didnt work out.

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i havent protected anyone successfully AFAIK
oh wait shit
what if i got a successful protect on titus and frog died to hiding behind scum didnt think of that

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Yeah sure.

so claim the plan?

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the plan was for me targetting alisae to in fact protect me. this was why i claimed the way i did to fb (to try and bait an NK if he was scum whilst also working with someone i thought was town). this didnt work for some reason. i dont know how it was supposed to work.

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oh
fuck im bad at this game

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presumably some kind of bus drive or redirect is involved but idk

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he wouldnt have had the chance as we could only communicate in main thread

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raise your hand if u realistically expected random to be nightkilled

...or if u expect it even now...

this was more of a failsafe for jjh or fb being scum. getting off a successful night action was very important and i didnt want to risk not being able to while ali was bubbled.

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bond detector doesnt seem that useful tbh?

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Huh, I wonder why Scum would have a bond detector.
Maybe its so that their INFILITRATOR could INFILITRATE A BOND THEY'RE INTERESTED IN.

This isn't rocket science.

given that most of the bonds change every day i dont think this is good

like considering this point it is an odd role to have.

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ok i misunderstood the point heartless was making. i thought he meant that bonds dissolve at the ends of nights and i had misunderstood the mechanics. it has limited utility assuming that a decent number of bonds will be kept throughout phases.

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and the two perma bonds would also be countered by the bond detector

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Fullclaim it in hood.

im assuming this was directed at menno?

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thats odd. most people ive seen have had like 3 abilities with two strong one weakish whereas you seem to have 3 weak two strong

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I mean my double vote and infiltrator can only be used while I'm active

and I wouldn't really call infiltrator "strong"

i wasnt i forgot about that
thats more like 2 strong 2 weak + infiltrator

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gladiator and suicide. although it may not be that useful they both have a large impact on the game.

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how does your suicide work? do you submit it pre-emptively and when someone is lynched it redirects onto you?

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in thread or PT?

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on it.

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RNJR (the bond)
Crocea Mors (the doctor)
Vomit Boy (enabling, is yours crater face by any chance? this is why i made the reference to crater face in my last post night 1)
Don't ever mess with my team - my friends - ever again. got it? ( the special part)

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how does your suicide work? do you submit it pre-emptively and when someone is lynched it redirects onto you?

no, I scumclaim in thread (or via the mod) and all the votes get locked onto me.

my fruit vendor is nba.
my suicide is momo.
my jailkeeper is td.

my double vote is wisdom.
my infiltrator is narna.

~nrarnra

ok...

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that seems to weirdly combo with jjh's role

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the suicide mechanic of menno
forces your paint onto him

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aww

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actually it makes sense that your main ability is your weapon (its the same for me)

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Doc circle random?

go 50/50 on protect between me and alisae. ill do the same with the two of you. that way we can maximise the utility out of the three of our roles
VOTE: dunn

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rc, master of pagetopping

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we dont know that frog was the NK
could've been titus

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Heartless (TellTaleHeart / Antihero) + Fire/ X
EddieByte (Eddie Cane / GigabyteTroubadour) + Titus...?
Alisae + Random ?
Transcend + ?
Aelita + ?
jjh927 + ?
Bellaphant + ?
McMenno + ?

so are we potentially looking at trans/jjh, bella joining heartless and fire, leaving aelita and menno if he can bond?

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im pretty happy with that hood, i trust fire to be able to use it to sort bella and heartless

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oh right mb i forgot the fire clear on you.

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ohhhhhhh i thought it was one 3 player bond -_-

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Heartless (TellTaleHeart / Antihero) + Fire/ X
EddieByte (Eddie Cane / GigabyteTroubadour) + Titus...?
Alisae + Random ?
Transcend + ?
Aelita + ?
jjh927 + ?
Bellaphant + ?
McMenno + ?

so are we potentially looking at trans/jjh, bella joining heartless and fire, leaving aelita and menno if he can bond?

so would trans and eddie be bonding if this goes through?

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can titus only target who they are bonded to?

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ok cool. that is a shame :/

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or he lied about frog targetting him. but that is petty unlikely with them bonding yesterday

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*pretty

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Heartless (TellTaleHeart / Antihero) + Fire + Bella
EddieByte (Eddie Cane / GigabyteTroubadour)
Alisae + Random ?
Transcend + ?
Aelita + ?
jjh927 + TItus
McMenno + ?

is this where we are at atm? are eddie and trans bonding?

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menno probs cant bond due to infiltrating me and alisae's

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so that leaves trans and eddie.

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ok cool.

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yeah

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yep. although menno has sent.
not sure if heartless/fire/bella is entirely done but think it is

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bella is locktown.
VOTE: mcmenno

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i would prefer to have fire in a bond as they are obv town :/

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so you are complaining about being called useless
and then saying you will get the last scum wrong definitely?

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who has said it does?

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would cause the unnecessary death of you?

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we ready for a hammer?

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urgh

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VOTE: mcmenno

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aaa

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well then

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oh ffs

FFS why did you tell Random to doc you instead of Titus?

I guess I can out myself now.

I'm a bonded redirector. Anyone who targets me is redirected to the person I target. I was redirecting to Random the last 2 nights so that we had this unbreakable chain of 3 people going. But nooo, you decide to target a non-Titus. I was worried about this. I suggested I redirect Titus to herself as a "fuck you" to scum if they attacked her. But she wanted me to redirect to Random so we had this untouchable 3 going on. That clearly worked out great.


Let's wait for Aelita to dish out a guilty.

I had submittted Titus as my protection. I genuinely said in the PT that that was probabloy the plan but Alisae didn't think it made sense.

N1 me. Reason why is because I thought scum would hit outside of Titus' investigation chain.
N2 I don't know
N3 We didn't talk about it due to us thinking McMenno was scum. me thinks Titus but isn't completely sure.
N4 me again

I've forgotten my night 2 action will check in a sec. i misunderstood the code so i didnt use it.
N3 was Titus. i swear menno wasnt in the hood at that point?

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night 2 was Titus.

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I'm following the guilty btw, just holding off on voting for now.
Titus. I'm really sorry, I wasn't expecting scum to hit in the softclaimed protective chain

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It's annoying bc if I had docced Titus it was an essentially free win with the extra townie, guilty and vig from alisae :/
i'm really tired right now so I'm gonna look at claims again this afternoon. However, the fact that it doesn't look like scum were given fakeclaims means that you are probs telling the truth.

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also the difference in the way the actions works makes it more likely (you splat, his is selftargetting) makes it more likely

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americans are asleep (for the most part)

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VOTE: eddiebyte
I forgot about extended twilight so we have time to talk anyway

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wait why is eddie not on aelita

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Quite a lot hinges on Alisae leashing Random's doctor ability later. If Random is actually scum, then at the very least doctoring gives him someone he's not able to target.

i mean, if i want leashed then we would have an alive titus and an enabled vig right now

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UNVOTE:

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Anyone want to go over associatives with me when I get home? I feel like we should be able to find something imo.

i will if im awake

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run over: alisae

bussed so hard

Also, if Alisae was scum he'd probably have been enabled by now.

^

heartless might be scum bc they are good but idk same for gork

reads like this and his shiqf townread look worse after flips i guess

i'd still probably say he's town though the random/mcmenno dichotomy still makes zero sense to me and i think scum pushed it

alisae can confirm from the PT that I would be pissed about the shiqf lynch regardless of my alignment. it was the manner of the lynch rather than the lynch itself i was annoyed at.

why would aelita/random sacrifice aelita though

unless the guilty was just aelita lmao??

could still sacrifice me in that case.
with me/aelita correct play is absolutely for aelita to claim a guilty on me.

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that actually seems like a legitimate point?

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oh yeah lol

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iirc me and alisae can't bond anyway even if one of us died. this is the only bond we can have

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if eddie is scum then the redirect could be useful

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so in a game with a huge amount of town power i get given a role with NO utility other than to make my role look town?
i targetted Aelita last night. figured scum might try to shoot in the conftowns and i really dont care whether or not transcend dies at this point

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LMAO THAT IS SO TRUE

Oh yeah btw I can't shoot random Fire.
Also, I may have told random something that could have motivated him to enable me if he was scum.

?

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i'm about 80% sure final scum is fire, but scumhunting isn't even necessary

it's pretty cut n dry all 3 of me/aelita/rm are town at this point and these are the 3 steps necessary to achieve a town win

Step1. Lynch JJ so no actions at night get redirected by any means

Step2. Enabled Alisae shoots Firebringer tonight

Step3. If Firebringer flips town, Alisae gets lynched

does anyone object to any of this because i think it's all true

i agree

adoes fire's ability count abilities or the amount of people visitting?

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VOTE: jjh
transcend, i agree with you, but on the tiny chance fire is town then we need to kill jjh tonight to make sure that vig kill isn't screwed with.

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jj and alisae have both shat town this game

I'm sorry if this is you're experience with me here =(
We can talk post-game?

they meant that you have been shtting towniness as in have been really townie rather than shat on town

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Transcend, there seriously aren't enough actions left for me to fuck with.

Also, Random is not cleared by that if he docced Aelita, because I still think the nightkill was me. Super surprised that Random docced Aelita though.


But yeah, have a scenario-

I redirect to Aelita, scuim!Random docs Aelita, scum!Random targets me.

why do i scum doc anyone?

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scum doctor is anti scum in this set up because it implies vigilantes when the only vigilante is essentially perma disabled by me. that would be awful game design.

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thats a point as well actually about your actions

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were there any claimed targetted roles that jjh couldve known about apart from mine last night?

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also why do i kill titus n4
we already say from dunn that scumteam MO is not to shoot in any Night action cycle they are part of, and i could have coasted decently by pretending scum were too afraid to shoot in me/titus due to wasting night kills.

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VOTE: firebringer

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fake hammers ftw
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jjh could have a point on aelita. im gonna try to figure an auto win out accounting for aelita scum.

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Two attempts on my life and I live!

My Aelita case was flawless so I've got that going for me too.

Also I got bored waiting for the flip. I might do more if people ask me to, but some of your avatars are out of my skill level and others don't have mouths. Not that that would stop me if you asked.




Afraid I can't stay and do the whole "Told ya so" thing because I have an exam to go to.

do mine if you dont mind when you have time

lying benefits town more than one would think

This lie was definition of pointless.
But I don't disagree I was pushing mcmenno because I was salty about it and clouds that understand any reason for it.

Hell randoms lie made more sense to me than mcmennos

yeah, again im genuinely sorry about that. I did what I thought was best while keeping as close to the truth as possible

<3 Alisae
I'm really sorry about not protecting you Titus
Great job to the rest of the town, espec transcend and jjh, you guys carried us late game.
wp to the scumteam, you guys played really well
and gj to all of the town

also btw i was only on one mislynch js

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i thought aelita was confirmed town and randomidget was too

i didn't understand the report too well

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basically bc of jjh's redirect we didnt know if people were targetting jjh or me

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imagine if rando hadn't docced aelita

wouldn't that have been hilarious

yeah that wasnt my best moment

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@RC did Fire's N5 ability show number of visits or number of people visiting?

if its the latter then i was confirmed town

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i didn't carry you late game?

mb i confused you with jjh
u were still good tho

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@RC did Fire's N5 ability show number of visits or number of people visiting?

if its the latter then i was confirmed town

aelita was confscum from it anyway lol

how so?

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yeah i had you as confirmed town with all those visits

youdefinitely saved aelita

but i just thought someone else performed the kill

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yeah that was where I was at.

@RC did Fire's N5 ability show number of visits or number of people visiting?

if its the latter then i was confirmed town

aelita was confscum from it anyway lol

how so?

read the dead pt

will do

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vecna push was the only scummy thing about her tbh

maybe a few other things

random and i should've double downed on her but

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i wouldve if she wasnt pissing me off so much :/

not every good scumgame has to be "take control of the town and drive them to a loss"

it can also be"make wifomy kills and coast through the game"

No, a good scum game has to be convincing everyone your Town and controlling the lynches as well.
She did one and not other.

That's what distinguishes decent scum play from great scum play.

she didnt need to though. after day 1 prior to her lynch without lynches we were only lynching town.

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Actually, Aelita, if you recall I was willing to address your case. It's just that spreading is a common pitfall when it comes to things like this, which is where you get a huge number of weak arguments pooled together, which makes it near impossible to respond to. There's not a lot you can do to respond to that.

I made an effort to talk to you about it by asking you to highlight what you thought your strongest points were, so they could be discussed. That's one way of rebutting spreading, anyhow.


Also

ty

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at this point like half of the accounts that have signed up in the last year are Yume alts

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vec we have a 100% win record together as town right?

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i dont understand it either tbh

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vec we have a 100% win record together as town right?

i think you were in deathnote, no?

damn

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bond mechanic was gr8

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I felt town played very well and were rewarded for it in terms of night actions and that's how the game should have gone, even if their reads weren't perfect.

meanwhile i failed to successfully protect anyone who wasnt scum

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what are they from? i recognise the name but cant place it

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It's kinda terrifying -__-

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Bill Wurtz history of japan is good

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That was quick