Real Folk Blues Rematch [GAME OVER]

[Gorkington]

its a bummer prisc probably targeted dave then tbh.

[Gorkington]

also sorry vax but youre not dying tonight.

[Gorkington]

this seems like a silly check.

[Gorkington]

i would be pretty alright with a sanity clear on math.
odds of them getting lamelynched lategame are going to be high the longer this game goes.

[Gorkington]

titus should know this and its kinda shady she is pushing the narrative that he can never commute.

wut
why is this shady

[Gorkington]

how exactly does it help scum?
youre thinking that PV is high on scumTitus's list of people to shoot here?

[Gorkington]

I've been looking at heart gifs and found this to be adorable

Spoiler:

[Gorkington]

claiming targets is AI?
????

[Gorkington]

yeah.

[Gorkington]

Rephrased for math

wait a second.
was this post meant for the
SCUM PT?
o:

holy fuck shiro and math are confirmed scuM!??

[Gorkington]

@cerb

, can you talk at my face about your experience with randomidget in general? like i just dont really get this "i should be sheeping rando here!" shtick. whats the basis for it?
do you think rando is town or scum as of right now?
if you think rando's reads are worth sheeping, why arent you gearing up for a smith wagon or something when that seems to be what he wants?

Also I need to do some VCA work, since usually that can be helpful, though the fact that we don't know the setup for sure (mulitball? one large faction and an SK?) kinda makes that difficult.

PS Just mechanically, I'm really skeptical that red scum is more than a 6-man team. The flipped flavors were exactly the same as the five-man scum team last game, and the sheer statistical bizarreness of that fact in a 7 or 8 man team makes me think it's gotta be 6 at most, though I don't know what the other scum team might look like (since 6 is low to be up against an SK, 6/6 seems like too much scum given town power so far, and I have no clue what scum powers on a second scum team of like, say, 4 or 5 scum owuld look like)

when can we expect vca or rereading from you?
how can you be skeptical of whether redscum has more than 6 members while admitting that we have no idea whether this is singleball or not?

[Gorkington]

vote: mhsmith

[Gorkington]

pretty sure hes getting replaced everywhere.

im gonna do a hard-dive on smith tonight if i can, after that im probably completely gone until tuesday next week.

[Gorkington]

i would rather clear out slots that could be scum.

the only hesitation i have is that narna is also biting on this whole "titus being a gunsmith and neighborizing role that is informed that her targets are town" thing. i kind of assumed only math would be willing to tinfoilhat that???? and its really weird that narna is too??

p-edit: i'll probably get internet in kingston at some point, i just probably wont be able to do anything substantive in-game.

[Gorkington]

im also not really seeing what was so town about ari's replace-out.

[Gorkington]

math has a shelf-life of about 1-2 days in this game before refusing to claim starts looking awful. if they have nothing to back up why they didnt claim so that they could get cleared now, then theyre probably dying before endgame anyways. they should especially acknowledge that now.

@INSOM. you refusing to claim now and get cleared basically means that if your claim isnt going to clear you or make it clear why you opted not to claim now, then you basically are accepting that youre probably going to get lynched from paranoia in 2-3 days. i sincerely hope youre thinking that through.

[Gorkington]

mhsmith, aristophanes, scott & ramona, ginn, vedith, master vampire, peregrine, random, insomniacs and wheme.
this is our pool of people that have nothing mechanically to indicate that they are town.

of these players:
peregrine is unavailable to target tonight.
wheme is miller.
there is paranoia of insomniacs being a traitor making a gunsmith use on them useless.
ive seen hints of a softclaim from random.
and obviously hints of a softclaim from insomniacs.

so,
we have in our hands right now a lie detect, a bus drive, a gunsmith and a vigshot for tonight and a lynch today.

IMO we should split up the pool of remaining players into pairs and split them among our PRs so we dont overlap but also so we dont signal scum where anyone is 100% going.

i say we either lynch mhsmith or ari.
then add the other to the vig pool along with vedith.

have scott & ramona claim targets to far this game for lie detecting.

bus drive dave with one of MV or wheme.

gunsmith either rando or ginn.

willing to discuss switching up who is where, but i feel like this is an alright spread?

[Gorkington]

could also see PV lynch to open up the pool to more targets.

[Gorkington]

oh and for the "why is smith scummy?" question, i feel like his analysis this game has been wonky, in the same way that a50's was. i need to spend more time picking at his ISO in general, but for example, his last post when he says "oh i dont think theres more than 6 redscum because there would be too many on the other team" while also acknowledging that we dont know if this is singleball or multiball looks like fake analysis from him.

i want to pick at every interaction hes had with scum this game, but i keep feeling underwhelmed by a lot of the analysis hes been dropping and thats his strongest suit as town.

[Gorkington]

i really dont think that potential PRs should be in the vigpool titus.
like.
i get that you want math dead, but it just doesnt make any sense?
is the only way we're going to move forward here getting insom to claim targets for a lie detect?

[Gorkington]

@INSOM

, there is a bus driver, an IC, an implied loud doctor, a lie detector, a vig and a gunsmith claim on the table.
youre pretty much the last slot in the game thats going to be shot right now and we're on the cusp of breaking the game.
if this is singleball [which it probably is with an SK at this point], then titus is pretty much confirmed town from GUILTYING TWO REDSCUM.
can you please just claim your targets so the two of you can get firmed up and we can solve the game?

[Gorkington]

@Gork

You say you don't want to lynch Math... ok.
You say you don't want to vig Math... ok.
I can't check Math... ok.
Math refuses to make themselves detectable for Cerb... ok.

Just how do you want to progress the game?

you could leave them 1-2 days and then theyre going to die if they arent conftown by then?
seriously this is the same issue i have with math's play this game, you care WAY too much about a single slot vs the entire game.

[Gorkington]

like what if insom is an important role in the hands of stubborn town and we shoot them and waste it? are you going to own that? or are you just going to blame math?

[Gorkington]

I do make myself lie detectable I just refuse to claim and your insistence on my and Narna's slot is shit.

are you accepting that youre going to be lamelynched in 1-2 days if you cant conftown with your role because you arent claiming today? you said in civ that you would accept being shot if you felt it would be best for gamestate, are you accepting the same terms and conditions here and now?

p-edit: im not sure what you want me to explain?

[Gorkington]

are you agreeing to be shot tomorrow night then if you cant conftown tomorrow?
because thats where im going to be at in terms of what needs to be done to solve gamestate

[Gorkington]

targets or lack thereof?
if this is singleball [and all odds point towards that at the moment] odds of scum not having committed the nightkill will be low enough that it will still probably catch scum out if used on them.

[Gorkington]

then just agree to a pair of targets before night and then even if there are more statements, it doesnt really matter because youve committed to those two targets. anyone who argues to the contrary can go in the scumbin.

[Gorkington]

pretty sure it isnt bastard for a mod to not explain how mechanics would hypothetically work with roles that arent confirmed to be in the game??? ie: if i said "oh well i am a bloop de doop that does a thing" does the mod now have to justify what that role would or would not do when it could be something entirely made up? its not the mod's job to parse roles for you. either you believe cerb's claim or you dont. if you do believe cerb's claim [since hes apparently as town conf to you as shiro] theres no reason for you to make a huge deal out of him saying that his role functions differently from how you expect it to.

[Gorkington]

i am becoming distressingly okay with the idea of math dying just to get both of you to stop talking about each other. math would be low on my priorities if you werent always bringing her up and even lower if she didnt constantly shade you. if both of you are town, please, for the love of god, DO NOT PLAY WITH EACH OTHER ANYMORE BECAUSE YOU COMPROMISE THE GAMESTATE WITH YOUR TUNNELS ON EACH OTHER.

[Gorkington]

Wtf am I supposed to do when answering gets me mislynched and answering gets me lynched?

you could claim targets when your second strongest townread tells you his role probably isnt going to be able to reliably work on the stuff youve posted so far?

[Gorkington]

aight well, im done with this.
im not arguing with someone who's tinfoilhatting vax when NFkill makes no sense whatsoever without vax being town.
willing to wait for a gamma replacement that we can feed targets to, otherwise all thats really left to do is lynch one of ari or smith and iron out targets.

[Gorkington]

its pretty silly to lynch people because you dont think theyre acting protown tbh.

[Gorkington]

did scum have fakeclaims for everyone last game?

[Gorkington]

the town must policy lynch

Gork

.

o:

[Gorkington]

is this the part where i mention again that its really weird that smith is assuming full multiball and not singleball with SK?
like hes literally running with it every chance he gets and it makes me feel uncomfortable.
):

[Gorkington]

i really dont get why you think two scumteams is the most likely position for us to be in. you think 7 of the remaining players here are scum?

[Gorkington]

who are the seven scum smith?

[Gorkington]

Why not two teams of 5, meaning 6 remaining?

because theres still a redscum via killflavour?

[Gorkington]

im bitching because from where im standing the gamestate makes literally 0 sense with full multiball and i find it really hard to believe that you arent on the same page on that.

p-edit: THREE PEOPLE DIE LAST NIGHT OMG ALMOST LIKE IT CONFIRMS THERES STILL TWO ANTITOWN KILL SOURCES.

[Gorkington]

the flavour of the kill is still the same as what im assuming has been causing redscum kills.
IE: not bioterrorism.

[Gorkington]

what about whemes play is even scummy.
cerb this bit on the last page about him forgetting his read on tywin isnt even scummy at all?

[Gorkington]

quick random what are all your reads from day two.

[Gorkington]

did you have to go back to do that or did you just remember?

[Gorkington]

vote: smith

oops

[Gorkington]

lol ya nobody had been scumreading him until now

[Gorkington]

random is literally trying to get wheme lynched.

[Gorkington]

vote: aristophanes

i might try to case this tonight if i have time.
i think me butting heads with smith about what we think the setup is probably me being dumb and not accepting that someone else having a conception of what the setup is to such a strong degree as possible.

kind of got into the same headspace with nacho in king's landing and im thinking i need to step back from that.
frustration from smith here reads pretty genuine.

[Gorkington]

why does ari have to be replaced?
why does ari have to be replaced but gamma not?

[Gorkington]

you dont understand my question.
why are we not lynching aristophanes on the premise of him needing to be replaced first?
is he town?
why if so?

[Gorkington]

sorry titus that really isnt a strained usage of the word dichotomy at all.
saying "there is a dichotomy between choosing to lynch player a or player b" is pretty standard fare.

[Gorkington]

can i get like 2-3 condensed points on why smith/wheme are good lynches?
bonus points for the wheme points if none of them are "well the flavour might not have changed from game 1 to game 2" or "he is the second miller claim".

[Gorkington]

i guess lynching jj instead of letting the thread derail into the same neverending pile of garbage was probably the wrong call if it meant titus was going to keep rebringing it up as a point to make people feel bad.

[Gorkington]

im pretty close to voting wheme just so the thread is closed in spite of townreading him. thanks all.

[Gorkington]

can we lynch ari? seriously? like why is there any resistance to a wagon there? is anyone townreading that slot? anyone? im waiting. if i have time tonight im going to case him and we're going to lynch him, but if i cant people should at least be explaining at my face why the slot is somehow town and we arent lynching him.

and yes wheme, him replacing out isnt a good reason to townread him. especially if you cant convey why his replace-out was town in any kind of digestible way.

[Gorkington]

we got math to claim for you titus. we derailed this day into shit because you refused to just let their slot just be a lategame sort to deal with. i dont know why youre trying to guilt-trip me as though im preventing you from doing what you want when we literally compromised and forced their slot to claim FOR YOU SPECIFICALLY so that we could move on with the day. are you honestly actually telling me that ari is flipping town? because if so i will literally just shut up and vote who you want me to just to get you to stop throwing this dumb passive-aggressive shit at me. do you want to vote insom? we could lynch insom and then you are not allowed to make this "TITUS GETS WHAT TITUS WANTS OR TITUS COMPLAINS" when their slot flips town. is that what you want here?

[Gorkington]

who is scum if ari isnt, titus?
why is ari not scum?
if you think math is scum, why isnt them completely ignoring ari something that could strike you as buddy/buddy interactions?

[Gorkington]

what about his replace-out makes it seem like hes town who wants to help his team vs scum? you realize that scum will typically feel more guilty about letting their team down than town right?

why are random and vedith scum? do you have any kind of reliable track record with reading them or reading players like them?

[Gorkington]

im not going to sheep you on a read if you have no track record with a player. i dont believe in static generic analysis like "they are overdramatic". by the same merit it makes no sense for scumVedith to devote so much energy towards pissing off a widely townread player when there are so many swingy PRs left in play that could just decide that him being abrasive is worth targeting him. (which is essentially whats happening right now and he doesnt seem overly bothered by it in the same way he was by my play). so. unless you can tell me you think you have some kind of reliable tell on him im not sheeping you. instead of just telling me im sheeping you if im wrong today, you should actually try to put together something convincing instead of just pouting when you dont get your way. its not a matter of i go, then you go, then i go, then you go, its a matter of who is being convincing right now and youre not presenting anything convincing thats worth sheeping.

[Gorkington]

the masonizer aspect is the fact that we're confirmed town to her.

[Gorkington]

thats not a masonizer then.

if titus is town then take it up with FA/FB because thats probably what the role was called.

[Gorkington]

yes because it is titus lying.

okay, random, im going to start seriously considering resorting you if you keep pushing this. we already have semi-confirmation that FA's definition of gunsmith is different from the traditional one, why is it not also possible that her definition of masonizer is different for this game?

[Gorkington]

When you take out the impossible (singleball)

lol.

[Gorkington]

bah idk if ari is scum from his iso.
theres nothing there.

[Gorkington]

okay fuck it.

vote: aristophanes

theres no reason to think hes town.
theres too many slots left.
we have a huge mechanical machine ready to parse the playerlist.
theres no reason to dillydally around.

im feeling like we need to just focus the energy of the playerlist into a few slots and pick between them and drive it up.
options on today's menu are PV, aristophanes and wheme.

PV's a reasonable option for SK.
aristophanes is a null slot at day 6.
if you think wheme is scum, you need to pick at his stuff about jjh's claim because to me that felt pretty town.

lets make something happen.

[Gorkington]

oh wheme is also yumeslot because apparently that mattered to some people with regard to the miller claim btw.

[Gorkington]

Which post because all of it screams scum to me.

useful.

[Gorkington]

do you expect to drive a lynch on force of personality?
because i dont really think you can.
if you want whemelynch you have to actually do something.
make a case.
point at specific things.
do something.
enough with the fucking whining about people not sheeping people generically.
if you dont want another slot lynched do something about it.

[Gorkington]

If zzzx was Miller he would of counted claimed my slot asap.

There is no way jjh is Miller

I suppose the question to ask is why does scum!me claim miller straight after replacing in without reading the game

Idk why did you

UNVOTE: jjh

He's miller whatever

So we have 5 scum left, right?

At least 3 are in here:

rb, Randomidget, Aristophanes, Vaxkiller, PeregrineV

At least 1 is in here:

Not Chara, jjh927, Master Vampire, WhemeStar

So your saying MV is scum, because I'm confident jjh is also a miller

So your saying Jjh is also scum?

Ok when jjh explained his role and what his role pm said out I knew he was miller, had the same words as mine did

Oh jjh said "if I get checked by investigates, I will show up as an enemy"

Or something along those lines and my role pm said the same thing along those lines

i really dont understand why people are townreading jj over wheme.
makes no sense to me.
at all.

Jjh is town

OH WOW BECAUSE HE DIDNT JUST GO OVER THE FACT THAT SCUM GET FAKECLAIMS WITH WORDING IN THEM OHOHOHOHOHOHOHOp

Oh

Well then Jjh Isn't confirmed town for me

this doesnt read fake to me.
theres also the "we should lynch me over aristophanes" thing which is just really strange for scum to do at this point.

p-edit: titus doesnt even want the wagon thats happening right now so i dont get what youre complaining about.

[Gorkington]

a single read
in spite of him saying he would rather be lynched over ari who he is townreading.
okay math.
okay.
sure.
sure.
sureusrueusureuerueures
jhojhoierhoithkf
lhkjdlkj

[Gorkington]

Vote Count 6.8

Aristophanes (8/L-2): Scott and Ramona, Titus, Shiro, DrCirno, Vedith, Cerberus v666, randomidget, Gorkington
Mhsmith0 (1/L-7): Randomidget
WhemeStar (4/L-6): Mhsmith0, Insomniacs, Vedith, Ginngie
Vedith (1/L-9): Master Vampire
Randomidget (1/L-9): WhemeStar
PeregrineV (1/L-9): Vaxkiller

Not Voting (5): Aristophanes, Davesaz, PeregrineV, Drixx, Gamma Emerald

With 18 players alive it takes 10 votes to lynch.


Day 6 ends in (expired on 2017-06-30 16:50:35)

[Gorkington]

jj also claimed he would show up without a gun at one point.

[Gorkington]

It's sort-of universal miller? Again, it was just down as miller. But basically, if someone investigates me- I believe I will fulfill any criteria that is required to be filled for someone to be scum. So, if a normal gunsmith checks me, I'll be deemed as someone capable of killing. But if someone who checks whether or not a player has a gun checks me, I won't have a gun because I don't. I believe that's the difference between normal gunsmiths and Maria's gunsmith. And if I say "I have no individual or factional night actions", a lie detector will deem it a lie. I could ask if the two parts of that statement would come up true if tested separately if anyone is curious, but there's no way we'd be doing that.

p-edit: im not going to not share your thoughts if you die >.>
i may be a jerk but im not pointlessly mean.

[Gorkington]

you guys are fucking lame.

vote: PV

whatever.
lynch the shit out of PV.

[Gorkington]

if hes sk he should be a higher priority to lynch anyways so we dont get more nightkills.
if we think hes sk then fuck it lets do it.

shoot someone we think is factional.

[Gorkington]

are you guys seriously telling me we cant get 10 votes in 24 hours with this playerlist on PV?

[Gorkington]

you realize ginn is going to hammer the moment i put ari to l-1 right?

[Gorkington]

LOOK ITS A WAGON THAT TITUS AND MATH BOTH WANT WHAT ARE THE ODDS OF IT ACTUALLY BRINGING US ALL CLOSER TOGETHER AS A FAMILY AWWWWWW

[Gorkington]

math why the fuck arent you voting PV.
do it.
now.
or im lynching ari.

[Gorkington]

5 MORE VOTES
5 MORE VOTES
VOTE
VOTE VOTE VOTE
GO TO THE POLLS
EXERCISE YOUR DEMOCRATIC RIGHT

P-EDIT: FUCKKKKKKK

[Gorkington]

I don't. I literally just told you that.

IS IT BECAUSE ITS MATHBLADE ENDORSED?
OR IS IT BECAUSE IT ISNT MATHBLADE WE'RE LYNCHING?

[Gorkington]

It feels like I'm cursed

[Gorkington]

YOU WERE JUST GUILT TRIPPING ME OVER HOW MUCH YOU DONT THINK ARISTOPHANES IS SCUM.

HOW CAN I WIN

IS THIS WHAT BEING DEAD ON THE INSIDE FEELS LIKE

[Gorkington]

okay whatever if ari flips something important then im not at fault anymore even though its my fault we're switching back.

vote: aristophanes

thanks everyone for this exercise in making gork feel less responsible for this shitty lurker lynch.
(dont worry this wasnt actually my reason for switching votes)

[Gorkington]

hammer hammer hammer

[Gorkington]

KILL HIM.
ARISTOPHANES?
MORE LIKE ARISTOPBEINGALIVE.

[Gorkington]

Intent to vote Ari.

Then Gamma's kill N2 wouldn't go through.

--Math

YOUR LACK OF UNDERSTANDING OF BASIC MECHANICS CONCERNS ME

[Gorkington]

SMITH NEEDS TO GET SORTED WITH ACTIONS TONIGHT.
SOMEONE REITERATE THE MASTER PLAN IF WE HAVE ONE
AND IF WE DONT HAVE ONE WE NEED ONE RIGHT NOW THANK YOU MUCHLY.

[Gorkington]

CIRNO GIVE A POOL OF 3.
TITUS GIVE A POOL OUTSIDE OF THAT OF 2.

Roleblocker stops all actions?

YOUR FIRST MISTAKE
WAS NOT READING PROPERLY.

[Gorkington]

Like how would that save Gamma though?

--Math

HOLY FUCK MATH ROLESTOPPER
AS IN
STOPS
THINGS
FROM TARGETING PEOPLE

[Gorkington]

I'm also going to endlessly shit on everyone alive in dead thread if Wheme is bluescum and lives any kind of meaningful amount of time (obviously this doens't apply if I'm wrong )

SURE
I GUARANTEE I SHIT ON MYSELF MORE THAN YOU WILL EVER EFFECTIVELY BE ABLE TO
SORRY TO BURST YOUR BUBBLE

[Gorkington]

"Lynch me instead of Ari"
/buries vote on random
/does nothing to actually prevent Ari wagon
/puts in no effort to undermine Ari case
/peaces out of thread

"clearly a townie move"

oh true yeah i expect townWheme to drop a shit-ton of effort into preventing wagons too.
thanks smith for the useful input.

[Gorkington]

should still make pool in case maf doctor or something stupid.

[Gorkington]

depends on playerlist.

aka: yes.
aka: im sorry.

[Gorkington]

you dont want to die in this game right now smith? are you hoping to hang out with me until endgame?

[Gorkington]

im glad that you want to hang out with me.
(:

[Gorkington]

if i die please dont lynch anymore.
remember me by following the path of peaceful protest by rejecting violence against one another.

[Gorkington]

there is nothing funny about how much scum is making me suffer by refusing to kill me.

[Gorkington]

pretty sure dave fucked that up.

[Gorkington]

wait no he never targeted me.
i guess im just extra shit this game.

[Gorkington]

iunno.
i imagine if im alive much longer i'll probably tryhard and do some iso/metadives.

[Gorkington]

listen up scum.
tonight
is your last chance
to get me out of this game
THIS GOES FOR YOU TOO PROBABLE SERIAL KILLERS.
this is your last chance.
because tomorrow
if im still alive
im quitting my job
im breaking my phone
im divorcing my wife
and putting the kids up for adoption.
all so i can put 110% effort into this game and fuck your shit up.
i will resort to disgusting and illegal tactics to make sure you lose.
i will show you no mercy.
you will only know the definition of pain.

proceed with caution you mother fuckers.

and protective roles:
if you target me tonight i will personally see to it that you get lynched tomorrow.
and then i will make sure that your life is a living hell on this site and off of it.

[Gorkington]

so smith are we lynching you tomorrow if wheme and ari both flip town?
okay cool thanks.

[Gorkington]

random you should claim pls and Ty.
cerb results please.

[Gorkington]

i wouldnt have been mad if you shot elsewhere tbh.

[Gorkington]

why is smith scum with ari?

[Gorkington]

random what was with the skeevy reaction to Vax earlier?

[Gorkington]

vax, if you think you have a guilty on me (you don't) come out and say it. No one is going to care if you soft like this and I can't defend against it. all it does atm is let you coast without actually contributing anything.

[Gorkington]

what's your flavour?
has pv flavour claimed?
what was your train of thought on PV this game?

[Gorkington]

scott who is scum

[Gorkington]

I think lynching both of you will flip a SK on either side.

i mean if rando actually commuted on n1 he couldnt have done the kill on n1.
im not entirely sure i see the incentive for making the claim as SK given that hes now put himself on a short leash with cerb.

also not really sure redscum boldly proclaims that he was scumreading the entire scumteam on d2 after the fact given that if it wasnt the case it could be fact checked pretty easily.

p5 being forced to claim commuter as SK is plausible with the lack of death on the night he was shot, but then that also kind of begs the question of does SKPere feel worried enough to commute on n2 instead of shooting?

at the same time
i guess theres kind of extra mechanical reason to doubt that both of the claims are coming from town?
will probably elaborate on that in a little bit.

@ginn

,
can you give me a readlist with reasons for each read (especially for your scumreads)?

[Gorkington]

idk.
i feel like 1-2 more days without massclaim might be okay?
i kind of want to parse whoever is the tracker/watcher claim sooner rather than later so they have less room to fakeclaim while theres still roles that they could fuck up trying to fakeclaim on.
was hoping that was what random was going to claim.

[Gorkington]

I busdrove random and ginggie

what the fuck why?

[Gorkington]

?????????????????????????????????????????????????

[Gorkington]

god between you and dave we're going to throw this
please dont submit stupid actions from now on.

[Gorkington]

like, if you target someone you think is scum against dave, then at least that person is confirmed not the source of a kill?
odds of scum risking shooting a scummy player to potentially bait the bus drive are really low, please dont do that again.

[Gorkington]

Ugh.

Dave, you might want to seriously consider replacing out if you don't think you can dedicate anymore meaningful time to this game.

- Scott

what are your reads

[Gorkington]

i get it.
im pretty annoyed that titus is dead for no reason right now though.

[Gorkington]

why havent there been kills at night?
is it maybe because
we have a doctor?

[Gorkington]

literally makes no sense.
like.
its clearly multiball.
even if dave is scum, dave has been well known to be doctor. meaning he is still liable to be shot by other scum and he hasnt.
vax was strongly indicated to be targeting dave tonight with bus drive.
really isnt all that shocking that hes still around.
and there isnt any other reasonable explanation for lack of kills.
can you stop shading slots that have no business being shaded?

[Gorkington]

THERES AN SK.
WHATEVER.
YOU SHOULD KNOW WHAT I MEAN.

[Gorkington]

i have thoughts on who i want to lynch as of right now, but i want slots im unsure about to drop reads.
ginn and scott are both players who i want to parse more based on content instead of generic questions/thoughts. i want them giving reads. i want them giving stances. i want them pushing people they think are scum.

i'll talk about who i think is scum once theyve done so.

p-edit: literally multiball means multiscum.
i know we've been stretching the definition this game but it typically means "more than one type of scum".
calm your shit please and thank you.

pp-edit: literally doesnt have to be anyone >.>
SKs are hard to pin down.
we have some breathing room right now, but its not going to be a cakewalk if our PRs are shitting the bed.
titus having more clears for us would have been amazing and would have made this a lot easier.
this is slowly becoming mountainous which we'll probably win, but who fucking knows if we start letting ourselves get cocky.

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he gets it.
smith should also give some updated thoughts now that he should be resetting from his reads the day before.

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why
or its not going to happen

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Whats up in the bebop neighborhood?

are you expecting shiro and i to be talking a lot in there?
because boy do i have some bad news for you if so.

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it was really bad thank you for ruining my night.

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hi ginn and scott i know youre around the site when do i get reads/pushes from you thank you please and thanks.

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ugh thats like a day away i dont have time for this shit.

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you mericans and your strange mid-week holidays.

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why are we worrying about cirno being an SK when theres still confirmed other scum, Cirno is being transparent and his slot has generally been shooting scummy slots?

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cirno has also been confirmed to be shooting basically every night, so alternating SK theory is wrong.

@scott, of the players youre scumreading who do you think has best odds of flipping SK vs mafia?

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uh. am i missing something that warranted that level of hostility??

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im not really sure i understand how you think youre cleared and cerb isnt when the same metric is being applied to both of you here. (gunsmith clear)

do you think its unreasonable for someone to be worried about you being SK right now?

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can you pull up that post for me? to be honest every interaction ive seen from cerb regarding you has indicated that hes been pretty worried about your slot in terms of how much youve been here, but wanting to give you space to catch up if you are town.

P-Edit: SKs are hard to parse. ive seen games lost for towns who widdle down the groupscum and then get caught offguard by an SK with no associations. we have maybe 1-2 roles left that can catch an SK and then afterwards we're basically shooting in the dark in the remaining playerlist. are you really that confident that the offset to a singular SK is them having the option to commute instead of making kills? because im really not, especially now that we have two of those roles claimed (and we know that FA wasnt afraid to drop two roles of the same alignment into the game as well).

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also, cerb's been tauting that he doesnt feel like he would fakeclaim lie detector as scum here as he typically doesnt like fakeclaiming elaborate roles. does that line up with your expectation of him? or no? does cerb seem like groupscum to you or SK?

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i would think by now people are PoE pooling you more than anything because theres so little to parse in your play, which is something youre actively admitting. if we're townleaning most of the people remaining, it kind of makes sense to want to start poking you to hopefully get you more engaged if you are town so we can put you in the townpile as well?

work with me here, i'd like to strengthen the gunsmith clear on you into a full townlean on you based on your play. if youre town and you get into this, then youre helping me sort the last few ???? slots which makes it a lot easier to focus in on the places where theres most likely to be scum.

youre worried about cerb, so, put your concerns into words. give me thoughts on his claim. give me thoughts on his play beyond what you feel is him taunting you. is he group or lonescum in your eyes? bring some more constructive angles to your push there so its tangible to everyone else in the game.

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not a big deal. figure its the least i can do after being an emotional baby boy the first six days :').

if you have time in the next few days, could you take a look at cerb's ISO with flipped scum in mind and the ISO of flipped scum to see whether you still feel like hes worth being worried about? if both of you are town here i'd like you on the same page and i feel like as long as the two of you are butting heads, youre not going to be able to get past this, yknow what i mean?

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cerb's point is that if he'd lie detected PV's claim that he would be clear from being SK.
rando youre making a lot of really bad potshots this game.
:/

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PV's claim to have not killed anyone n1*

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woah look at those goalposts go!

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Woahh1h1h1h11!!!!

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vote: ginn

wish i didnt feel like this is the best place to be voting right now, but ginn hasnt really done anything that town, has really weak interactions with all of the flipped scum and kind of seemed like they were stoking the flames with rb/titus.
have too many townleans to not go for this right now
):

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only other slots i would seriously be willing to consider are smith, scott (though i really swing back and forth on this and its more that he feels almost too reasonable??) and maybe PV. i still feel like its going to be easier to stomp out whats left of the scumteam than it will be to figure out who the SK is.

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oh and vedith i guess actually.

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i suspect gin might have more motivation for a catch-up if theres a wagon on them, hint hint.

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im good.
gonna play some PING PONG TONIGHT

Spoiler: Holy shit gifs

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i thought ginn was townish on d1.
ive been wary of how little of a presence theyve been in the game (and i understand that things have been busy, but theyve been here a lot and havent been at the head of trying to get stuff done and thats kind of making me feel uncomfortable)
like
ginn is capable of making cases.
i dont think its necessarily bad that they havent so far this game
but i think that the fact that they havent makes it less likely that theyre town.

in hindsight it looks a little like they may have been stoking the fire with rb/titus.

and i think that all of their interactions and pushes on scum dont preclude them from being scum at all. theres nothing that cant be within the realm of distancing or bussing. nothing that strikes me as unlikely scumbuddy interactions.
the sum of all of this isnt huge but when i have such a big townpile, i just cant ignore it at this point.
vedith and smith are probably the biggest question marks otherwise and i have had some moments from both of them that strike me as plausibly townish so.
ginn's up to bat for now.
i want them trying their hardest cause im getting literally nothing from them being demotivated and underwhelming.

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i dont think rando or pv are groupscum.
groupscum is confirmed to be able to kill every night.
i would prefer to clear them out.

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rando's asserted that his reads earlygame were pretty on the ball.
im not sure i believe scumhim thinks he can get away with pretending that.
the claim also kind of invites all kind of awfulness on himself if hes fakeclaiming and i really doubt scum has a commuter on top of the ascetic bulletproof role, especially when scum's had SO much shit that fucks with things investigating them.

im open to reassessing, but i would want an actual case and not just people saying "LOOK AT HOW AWKWARD HIS CLAIM WAS".
town can be awkward.
i need more than that.

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insomniacs have felt town at various points.
that feeling hasnt been there for a while
but i know i will get it again if i dig in their ISO.

mv is omitted mostly from lamegut and the fact that i think the other three are more likely to be scum than them.

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okay neat,
heres a new thing its called:
we need to focus and get shit done from now on.
we did it yesterday lets do it again.
if you want to open the pool up, make a case.
if youre not going to make a case on someone, forget about them for now and focus on who we should lynch in vedith, smith or ginn.

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ginn you should be dropping whatever ISOdive thoughts you have so far in the thread.
also you should probably claim in your next post.

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role?

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its okay firebringer its not like your job is to count things IRL.

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@Flavor based Masonized - Why did Titus vouch for you guys?

guessing she either assumed because of the name of the role, asked FA and never said that she did so in the game itself or assumed that scum wouldnt step forward to be checked by a role that would confirm them as scum?

p-edit: closed setup stuff is still closed setup stuff.
theres no obligation of a moderator to explain the internal mechanics of a game.

people have a weird idea of what constitutes as bastard or not.

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wouldnt recommend playing in my games (;
i dont even guarantee posting rolePMs.

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i can only imagine how much fun youve been having with a role as nebulous as the one you have right now ahahaha.

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cerb please lie detect this statement:

i am having fun.

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cerb please lie detect this statement:

i am having fun.

-scott

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iuno im bored because i kind of want to lynch you because i dont think youre town and i dont know what to do in the interim of you potentially getting here and doing things that make me change my mind and make me think that youre not actually scum or maybe it will just reconfirm what i already think and then we lynch you and hopefully i was right all along yay i truly hope that maybe i can achieve something with my life right now.

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iuno im bored because i kind of want to lynch you because i dont think youre town and i dont know what to do in the interim of you potentially getting here and doing things that make me change my mind and make me think that youre not actually scum or maybe it will just reconfirm what i already think and then we lynch you and hopefully i was right all along yay i truly hope that maybe i can achieve something with my life right now.

-scott

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Gork, why are you signing your posts as scott?

Also, how was ping pong?

trying to deal with not feeling great by being stupid.
alcohol will probably help moreso.

ping pong was fun but i lost almost every game.

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also, shiro is conftown, every other member has flipped town, im the only ????.
if you want to start calling me scum get ready for a bumpy ride.

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pool of redscum is pretty small.
unfortunately you still in it
):

who do you think is scum out of a pile of smith, ginn and scott?

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i refuse to give the all clear.
lynch ginngie before they can post.

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lol.
why do you need my go ahead yo.
post it.

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nah i think ur at l-2 or l-1.

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i mean.
cirno should just say someone hes shooting in.
and vax should bus out of everyone else so scum cant pull dumbfuckery or at least vax cant worry about dumbfuckery for no good reason.

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vax is gonna wifom himself with only 3 targets.
cirno should just say two people tops
vax can do whatever with the rest.

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cirno's probably town.
is approx as lame as speccing me as scum at this point.

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worst case scenario is that im scum overlord who learned how to be scum and has tricked all of you.
thats way worse than two sks.

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im sorry you probably rolled scum in this game ginn ):

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ya
this doesnt seem like what i would expect from town you ):

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you would get lynched over me.
even if i wasnt mason cleared.

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you said you would kill me wtf

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ya drixx is probably not groupscum at the very least.

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why couldnt we be on the same team this game ):

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nah you did well.
losing two scumbuddies on d1 is rough.
lotta PR stuff lined up nicely for town too.
and tywin was guiltied.
and a50 was guiltied.
whatcha gonna do yknow?

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wow whatever not like i helped at all.

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I DID THE A50 GUNSMITH FAKEOUT THING TOO
THAT WAS MY IDEA
):

(yeah titus and gamma carried us pretty hard)

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great. :/

Taking out all people I think are town

Cerebrus v666

Shiro*
Carnelian**
DanelerH MariaR

Majiffy Drixx

Almost50
Tywin Lannister
Socrates
Tarkus

Kidamn

PeregrineV
Randomidget

TheRealGin-N-Tonic

Scott and Ramona (Chickadee and LUV)

Ramcious
SlySly

peregrinev is scummy

mariar is scummy

cerberus v666 is scummy

those would be my next 3 lynch targets. i know giga agrees with one.

by merit of n1 nk pere and cerb would be most suspect.

dave probably protected maria from SK on n3, which was possibly gunsmith hunting? makes drixx and cerb slightly less probable for SK if they dont have a gun which flavour would suggest they dont.
priscila probably died on davesaz, which was probably doc hunting.
sk probably killed cirno which means SK is more concerned about vig than doc, which also means that theyre probably not being widely townread or they dont fancy their odds of surviving through the rest of this playerlist.

VOTE: peregrine

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true shit i guess with dave leaving that probably means theres still a redscum.
:/

theres nothing useful to claim from the rolestop that one of us used at this point.

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n3 cirnoslot would have probably died if not for the rolestop.
n2 was probably doc.

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could be that rolestop stopped both kills?

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i dont really understand why a lynch has to be interesting. if cirno was going to shoot someone that night it was PV. doggo suspected PV, he dies.
frankly think its possible that random and PV are both scum fakeclaiming here.

drixx can get riled up easily as town and scum. theres nothing compelling youre putting down there.

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why did PV not die to gamma's shot?
he has to have some sort of way to stop a shot, and i dont think groupscum had any other methods available to them to stop a shot given they had a full bulletproof, a roleblocker and a bodyguard
either hes SK or town from where im at.

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i guess a50 could have roleblocked gamma, but even still, you came back positive on the commuter result. i dont see how scum could have a commuter still.

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cerb's result on PV being a commuter is still a thing.

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theres also that if PV is scum and random is town its really just very fortunate that he happened to guess the other variant of commuter that random claimed, isnt it?

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im saying that the odds of him by chance just happening to choose the mirror role to someone else is laughably small. if hes scum the fact that he can commute is probably not a fakeclaim, and i dont believe that groupscum gets a commuter on top of all of the other shit that can gate kills.

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they could be SK,
but math's play isnt particularly unlike what ive seen from them as town.

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its almost a guarantee that priscila was on dave that night given that a bunch of us were telling her to be.

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ah dang i missed that.
):

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i mean it looks pretty plausible to me that you could have been using wheme as a scapegoat to give you and ari a little more time alive.
ive pretty much consistently thought that you believing SO confidently that its multiball with two teams could be fake to generate fake content.
so.
sorry?
youre not out of the poe pile?

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like honestly smith, you and vedith are probably my two best guesses for another redscum if theres another redscum which it looks like there probably is.
you should probably work on your catch-up and giving thoughts rather than focusing on yourself because that's really not going to do anything.

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annoying people is a remarkably effective strategy for getting yourself lynched.

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How? Because "I don't believe people bail on games as scum getting their asses kicked" is completely my thought process. Unless you wanna claim he was obvscum there or something? Because if he was there sure wasn't much of a case put up.

like, you say this, but you think that it doesnt look bad for you?
lol.
like, cmon man.

im gonna eventually dive you to see the rest of the interactions youve had with scum, but everything about your aristophanes interactions has been shit.
you dont want to play that game.

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shiro.
technically me if you believe in miracles.
apparently insomniacs if cerb's role isnt complete shit which it kind of looks like it is.

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Is it somehow no longer optimal to remove you after your push on him?

oh.
oh yeah.
okay yeah if pv doesnt give me the password im diving smith tomorrow night.

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PV what is the secret message