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Interesting that you ignored the apparent double kill here...Claus wrote:2- Discussion about the setup is bad. We had two deaths (a gangplank death and a knife death), and a half-cop revealed. Now we should be concentrating on suspicious behavior, and getting someone lynched."You were doing well until everyone died."
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I kind of see Jordan's point here, though he may not have expressed it in the best way. Seeing Mars' "Yar" as scummy requires a lot of assumptions to be made about the setup, none of which we can be particularly confident of being correct. If we lynch him, it would essentially be in order to test those assumptions rather than because he is scummy in his own right.
I'm not sure, however, that this is really all that there is to the case."You were doing well until everyone died."
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Apologies, I retract the last sentence of that post. I should re-read rather than relying on memory.
Mgm wrote:Gorrad, it's not the discussing of the setup that is scummy, it is the manner in which you and Mr. Iammars are doing so.Unvote, Vote: Mgm
Where did Iammars speculate on setup? His only posts are his confirm and a random vote."You were doing well until everyone died."
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I believe there are a couple more assumptions implicit in this case, but I'll leave that discussion until we actually hear something from Mars.Thesp wrote:
This is a decent point, which was not at all what JordanA24 is saying. Note that it doesn't require a bazillion assumptions about the setup, just that there is a group of scum who are ninjas, and who are not comprised of pirates (and are otherwise unaware of what other roles might be out there before N1), which currently seem very, very reasonable to make.Erg0 wrote:I kind of see Jordan's point here, though he may not have expressed it in the best way. Seeing Mars' "Yar" as scummy requires a lot of assumptions to be made about the setup, none of which we can be particularly confident of being correct.
By the way, Iammars, are you a pirate?"You were doing well until everyone died."
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Wow, this game is proud home to some of the cruder attempts at deception that I've seen in a while.
I have enough faith in Stoofer as a mod to believe that he would not set up any player to the point that the first words out of their mouth would result in them unwittingly revealing themselves to be scum."You were doing well until everyone died."
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Yes, and it illustrates my point. The Space Monkeys knew they were the mafia from the start, thus they would not immediately claim Space Monkey and out themselves. The gorillasThestatusquo wrote:
Did you read space monkeys at all?Erg0 wrote:Wow, this game is proud home to some of the cruder attempts at deception that I've seen in a while.
I have enough faith in Stoofer as a mod to believe that he would not set up any player to the point that the first words out of their mouth would result in them unwittingly revealing themselves to be scum.thoughtthey were scum and thus also would not reveal their real roles at the start of the game. The setup was certainly deceptive, but it was done in such a way as to prevent players (especially scum) from immediately shooting themselves in the foot."You were doing well until everyone died."
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I simply meant that I don't think that Stoofer would deliberately set someone up to believe it was safe to say something flavour-based that it was not, in fact, safe to say. The Mars thing seems to be largely based on the idea that his role PM somehow led him to think that it would be a good idea to pretend to be a pirate, when this has clearly turned out not to be the case. I think it's far more likely that he was just being whimsical, not attempting some gambit that backfired on him.Guardian wrote:
Alluding to a role-type on your first post can out you in any flavored game, especially one with a mod known for intricate and deceptive setups.Erg0 wrote:Wow, this game is proud home to some of the cruder attempts at deception that I've seen in a while.
I have enough faith in Stoofer as a mod to believe that he would not set up any player to the point that the first words out of their mouth would result in them unwittingly revealing themselves to be scum.
I'm not sure what any of that has to do with "faith in Stoofer as a mod". Could you enlighten me?"You were doing well until everyone died."
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I agree that he hasn't been abused by the mod - that was my point in the first place. Once you eliminate that possibility, the alternative theory would be that he made what seems to me like an unreasonably large leap of logic and tried to clear himself with a wild guess at flavour during the confirmation stage. I don't subscribe to this theory."You were doing well until everyone died."
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In the context of this game, yes it is. It's common knowledge that Stoofer's games always have a twist, Mars would have to be a raging moron to make such a baseless assumption.Guardian wrote:
Consider this hypothetical thought process:Ergo wrote:I agree that he hasn't been abused by the mod - that was my point in the first place. Once you eliminate that possibility, the alternative theory would be that he made what seems to me like an unreasonably large leap of logic and tried to clear himself with a wild guess at flavour during the confirmation stage. I don't subscribe to this theory.
I am in a game called pirates v. ninjas.
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I am ninja scum
There is a town, and I as scum oppose them.
-->Pirates are town.
You consider that to be an unreasonably large leap of logic?"You were doing well until everyone died."
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Is this really so difficult to understand? Stoofer's reputation as a mod who likes to do things that are a bit "different" is likely to make players more cautious about drawing quick assumptions regarding flavour early in the game. If we discard the theory that Mars was misled by his PM (which I believe that we already have) then the alternative theory is, as Guardian said, that he got his Ninja PM and immediately concluded that pirates must be the town, hence he tried to pass himself off as a pirate. Given Stoofer's style, it would be obvious to almost anyone (certainly to an experienced player like Mars) that this would not be a safe assumption to make before the first night scene has even been posted. Basically, your theory relies on Mars making an assumption that he would have to be an idiot to make.Guardian wrote:
I'd like to hear a response to this.Thesp wrote:
I don't see how "Stoofer's games have a twist" invalidates the hypothetical thought process. At all.Erg0 wrote:
In the context of this game, yes it is. It's common knowledge that Stoofer's games always have a twist, Mars would have to be a raging moron to make such a baseless assumption.Guardian wrote:
Consider this hypothetical thought process:Ergo wrote:I agree that he hasn't been abused by the mod - that was my point in the first place. Once you eliminate that possibility, the alternative theory would be that he made what seems to me like an unreasonably large leap of logic and tried to clear himself with a wild guess at flavour during the confirmation stage. I don't subscribe to this theory.
I am in a game called pirates v. ninjas.
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I am ninja scum
There is a town, and I as scum oppose them.
-->Pirates are town.
You consider that to be an unreasonably large leap of logic?
Let me put it this way: if you'd received a PM saying "you are a ninja", wouldyouimmediately assume that the pirates were the good guys? Even if you made that assumption, would you stake your life in the game on it by playing the role in your confirmation post? I doubt you could truthfully answer yes to both of those questions, so your case rests on the assumption that Mars is much,muchdumber than you.
I seriously don't know why this is so difficult to grasp. I think you're both far too in love with your theory to wrap your head around the basic problem with your assumptions."You were doing well until everyone died."
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It is, but I wasn't sure whether you were disputing the assumption.
Now I'm wondering how, if you don't know how you'd behave in the situation you posit, you can reasonably draw a conclusion on Mars' situation based on his behaviour. Do you feel that you know him so well that you're able to draw such a conclusion based on a single word?"You were doing well until everyone died."
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Finally had time for that reread, but it's actually something that happenedaftermy last post that grabbed me.
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Apparently what was actually needed to convince him was a bunch of other people agreeing with me.Verysudden turn on the Iammars issue."You were doing well until everyone died."
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Honestly, I didn't think that anything that I said after your echo of Thesp's request for elaboration was particularly fresh or insightful. Mostly I was just beating Thesp (and, by extension, you) over the head with exactly the same argument that I'd already made. I was very surprised by your sudden change of heart - I was arguing more for the benefit of the room than the individuals I was addressing by that point.Guardian wrote:
Apparently what was actually needed to convince me was you elaborating and repeating your argument in emphatic terms.Erg0 wrote:Finally had time for that reread, but it's actually something that happenedaftermy last post that grabbed me.
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Apparently what was actually needed to convince him was a bunch of other people agreeing with me.Verysudden turn on the Iammars issue.Verysuspicious play by Thesp, too....
Who are these "bunch of other people agreeing with you" before I decided to unvote Iammars and vote Thesp -- people who started agreeing with you between the time I last responded to you, and when I changed my mind?
There was a general groundswell of support for my point of view (if not my specific argument) around that time. Examples are Twomz in 186, Claus in 188, Mgm in 207, Samruc in 208, and Skruffs in 212. My theory is that you saw which way the wind was blowing and decided to beat the rush off the wagon. To me, this indicates that you never believed paricularly strongly in the wagon in the first place."You were doing well until everyone died."
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Gorrad/hasdfgas are, to my mind, not lynch targets but also not fully confirmed. As Twomz said, one of them will die eventually and then we'll know for sure whether thay're really masons. Confirmed townie status isn't really worththatmuch in terms of swaying my opinions on other players anyway.
I really have difficulty understanding why Guardian is kind of skating by for doing much the same thing as Thesp, but then abandoning his position when it became clear that it was becoming unpopular. At least Thesp stuck to his guns in the face of the wagon against him, which is either a sign that he was acting in good faith or a pretty big gamble if he's scum."You were doing well until everyone died."
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I actually hadn't considered the nightkill thing - I'm erring on the side of assuming that the mason claim is true, so that was mainly what I was thinking about. Even taking the crosskill immunity into account, the group with the failed kill will know instantly that the masons are scum if they target them, and they'd surely be interested in getting rid of the opposing scum as soon as possible. One hand washes the other, so to speak.Skruffs wrote:Well, at least in the beginning of the game, may I point out something?
The scum can't crosskill, the first time they try. I'm presuming that MBL's target last night SHOULD have died, since he is a vig, and thus isn't subject to the cross killing rules.
However, knowing that, I just dfon't like Erg0's statement up above, that potential scum doesn't need to be lynched because they are 'likely to die' anyways. It just... strikes me as funny.
I'm nto saying that I disbelieve the mason claim, it's just a little twinge. I react to twinges."You were doing well until everyone died."
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From your description I'd say I had a similar experience in Candy Mafia, but I think I drew something different from it than you did. The scum don't have to hunt each other to ensure thatoneof the scum groups wins, but if they wanttheirscum group to win then they need to get rid of at least some of the other scum or they're just relying on blind luck. Optimal scum play in a multiple-group game is to try and gain a numerical advantage over the other scum groups(s). Whether scum actually do this in practice I don't know - I've never been in that situation as scum. It's certainly whatI'ddo, though."You were doing well until everyone died."
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Hooray, we've entered the "I dunno, let's just lynch Kscope" phase of the day!
This seems like a really weak semantic argument to me.Mgm wrote:No, I'm the one arguing it's not a scumtell at all. You said it was a "questionable scumtell". That implies it is a scumtell to begin with. What you say you're arguing doesn't match what you actually said.
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Where were you when Skruffs and I were discussing this a few pages ago?Guardian wrote:I find cicero's point about scum strategy interesting, and possibly accurate/applicable but:- It would mean Thesp is town, something I'm not sure I'm comfortable with
- It boils down to WIFOM easily
- Why are you thinking about scum strategy, cicero?
Also, I can't see how thinking about scum strategy could be considered a scumtell. How are you supposed to find them without considering how they're likely to act?"You were doing well until everyone died."
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cicero, I can sympathise as I've been in a similar position in the past - but there's no need to lynch the lurkerimmediately. The first few kills tend to thin them out a bit, and we get much more information from wagonning more active players than pursuing easy lurker lynches."You were doing well until everyone died."
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I've said it before and I'll say it again: a strong Kscope wagon is almost always a sign that the town has given up and is taking the easy lynch. It doesn't even let us find scum on the wagon because almost everyone has given little to no reasoning beyond "he's lurking"."You were doing well until everyone died."
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I think that if you really want to lynch Guardian you should vote for him. We've still got five days to reorganise our votes if we need to reduce the required majority, and another vote on Guardian could make a major difference to the voting landscape."You were doing well until everyone died."
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You've failed to establish that Mars' confirmation "Yar" is game-relevant. That's going to be a pretty tough one to sell.Guardian wrote:I'm fine with you having fun, just I'm not fine with talking about game relevant information and then saying you are joking. I tend to have lots of fun while playing mafia (except when people vote for me for bullshit/no reason)."You were doing well until everyone died."
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What I'm trying to get at is that we were still essentially in the "pre-game" stage and, as such, people would not generally be expected to post game-relevant content. As such, painting something that is said during confirmations as game-relevant requires a much higher standard of proof than if the same thing had been said during the game itself.
It's not at all unusual for players to confirm in a lighthearted or joking way - you can see that Claus and UA also added little bits of flavour to their confirmations. Comparing this to scumtells disguised as jokes during the actual game (e.g. EmpTyger's attempted joke) is not valid."You were doing well until everyone died."
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Last minute? I've been on you for most of the day, it's just taken this long for the prospect of an actual wagon to appear. I can't help it if people are slow.Guardian wrote:
We have 5 days. I want to look at mars. Then Erg0 posts some bullshit about trying to manufacture a last minute wagon on me.Mgm wrote:
In other words, you want to survive and would lynch badly to make it happen. There are other choices than you and Kscope, but you make no effort to look at other suspects. That first para is just a false dilemma.Guardian wrote:If an Iammars wagon appears out of thin air, I'll join it gladly. Otherwise, a scope lynch is better than a me-lynch.
I'm of the mindset that if Scope has something to claim, he should claim it soon. If we're not lynching him, we need to find someone other than he or I in the span of 5 days.
Saying I am not intersted in non-Kscope targets is categorically untrue.
In fact, all that I actually did in practice is ask Mars why he was consciously choosing not to vote you at a critical moment. If you come up scum I'll be looking very hard in his direction next."You were doing well until everyone died."
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This does not sound to me like someone who sincerely believed in the Mars wagon to begin with.Guardian (post 452) wrote:Erg0, two points:
First, you've indicated coorelation, and sure you can assume causation, but that isn't the case -- repeating your arguments emphatically made me reconsider staying on the wagon.
Second, how strongly do you think I believed in the wagon in the first place? When people asked me about this, I said "I think my vote is in a good place for now." I Never said OMG Mars=Scumz lynch lynch/dayvig! If you read my posts carefully I was never that fervent about lynching Iammars, but his was among the first substantial wagons, and I thought the evidence I uncovered was the best we had to go on at the time.
From my perspective, your voting me for this is in essence persecuting me for being proactive and trying to get out of the random/noise stage."You were doing well until everyone died."
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I disagree that Guardian has held his points - if you look at the post that I quoted on the previous page, he defended his original switch to Thesp by saying that he wasn't all that sold on the Mars wagon. Contrast that to his recent assertion that the "Yarr" tell is sound, and you should be able to see the shift in his position."You were doing well until everyone died."
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Unvote, Vote: Thesp
I'm never a fan of lynching claimed power roles on day 1, regardless of how weak the flavour may be. If we were going after the last scum I'd lynch Guardian, but at this stage of the game there's a good chance that he'll trip himself up before long if he's lying.
Thesp has gone from pushing a bad wagon to pushing multiple iffy wagons. He's a good plan B in my eyes."You were doing well until everyone died."
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Your OMGUS has been noted.Xtoxm wrote:
I don't like the way he's trying to get Guardian lynched despite the claim I think his roleclaim fits and guardian looks town and now he's accused me too.hasdgfas wrote:Xtoxm wrote:I think Thok is scumvote Thok
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I love how you're trying to wrangle your way out of this with dodgy flavour speculation. You've been caught in a lie and you're going to die for it. You transparent attempt to frame the person who saw through you on day 1 isn't going to save your credibility.
Let me ask you this: of all the people that were attacking you yesterday, you said repeatedly that you thought I was the most genuine. Why, then, did you choose to track me over one of the many people that you found scummy?"You were doing well until everyone died."
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So Guardian is a goblin ninja now?
Your logic is broken. Even if you don't take into account Guardian's extreme scumminess on day 1, there is no basis for your assumption that he is trying to get me killed because he knows I'm scum. Obviously I know the truth, but even from others' perspective it's at least as likely that he's trying to take down a useful townie before he's lynched or vigged for lying about his role. It's not like it's going to damage his reputation when I come up town, he's going to die soon no matter what he does from here.
Promoting the lynch of a townish player to verify a scummy player's already highly dubious claim is either very dumb or very suspicious."You were doing well until everyone died."
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If I'd targeted hasdfgas for something other than a kill last night, that would have at least confirmed the tracker part of Guardian's claim. As such, I would have claimed that if it were true.The Fonz wrote:Let me get this straight- you think that a scum Guardian is significantly more likely because Erg0 denied targetting Cow last night? What did you expect Erg0 to do?"You were doing well until everyone died."
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Any reason why you're blindly following what the scum tells you to do? It's just been proven that he was lying about Thok, apparently in order to get rid of a town role that would be harmful to his cause. What on earth would make you think that he's telling the truth about me?
Also: MBL, am I right in thinking that you vigged Thok? The flavour is a little inconclusive, but "arm cleanly sliced off" seems to me as though it would be attributed to a lightsaber.
I strongly suspect that the goblins have a rolecop on their team."You were doing well until everyone died."
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I find this, particularly the bolded part, very presumptuous. Guardian had plenty of reason to lie about Thok. Why would you automatically assume that my situation is different? Have you even really thought about it?Skruffs wrote:This is a lot to process, but it looks like the scum are starting to lose their immunities to each other (yay).
I think mbl was in error to think that the goblin(s), or any scum, would target erg0; erg0 is the 'obvious' lynch choice today.
Big finger of suspicion on gorrad there:guardian had no reason to lie about erg0, and it seems the 'thok hate' was 'justified', thok must have indicated he knew goblins were scum in some way.
Frankly, the lot of you are seriously lacking in imagination. I find it very disappointing that you're not even trying to think outside the box here."You were doing well until everyone died."
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I'll note that the "incriminating result" was based on something that Guardian had absolutely no way of knowing. Even if he'd found out I was scum, there would only have been a 50% chance that his claimed result would be correct.The Fonz wrote:Personally, I'm vacillating on Guardian/Erg0. It makes sense for guardian to finger a non-buddy as scum whether or not it's actually true. But the whole 'Moses coming down from the mountain' schtick Guardian seemed to be pulling at the beginning of yesterday makes me think he was planning to announce an incriminating result, which makes me think Erg0scum is more likely."You were doing well until everyone died."
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