Night and Day Mafia (Game Over)

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back boys

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just got a shit tone of shoes

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ok I was already reading this game before I replaced in, and I was about 20 pages in and had btd6 as scum. So I'm not gonna move my vote right now.

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ISO'd that shit

I am a Tracker, and on Night 1 I tracked MathBlade.

Unfortunately, I checked the PM again and I found that I got No Result.

would scum!btd6 immediately claim his results without trying to get Math flustered and potentially get a lynch through?
UNVOTE: btd6

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y'all are dead apparently

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i just took a look at my hand and you know I'm fairly sure I'm not invisible, but you guys are pretty convincing.

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BTD6_maker - Scum. Tried to fake a guilty on Math. Hasn't produced a single read but for those on the leading wagon at the time.

He tried to gambit yeah, but what's wrong with gambiting.

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What makes you think it was a gambit and not just him misreading his result? He didn't gain anything from it.

he withheld the contents of his clear before. He obviously has no idea how to gambit, but that's beside the point. Even if he misread his result, there's no way he thought "mathblade went nowhere" was a legitimate guilty, no?

BTD6_maker - Scum. Tried to fake a guilty on Math. Hasn't produced a single read but for those on the leading wagon at the time.

He tried to gambit yeah, but what's wrong with gambiting.

Gambiting should do something productive. All BTD's "gambit" did was an attempt to divert suspicion.

how does outing your role at L-4 divert suspicion?

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Nosferatu how much of the game have you read?

I was 20 pages in before I replaced in.

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Since your replace in, Nos?

Bulba I'd like to lock down a read on QR, go over your take on the slot with me?

haven't read from page 21 linearly yet.

ISO'd btd6, if not for that most recent shebang I would've left my vote there.

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i just took a look at my hand and you know I'm fairly sure I'm not invisible, but you guys are pretty convincing.

feel free to contribute individually
VOTE: nosferatu
i really don't like this

so posting 6 times without anyone responding and then saying I feel invisible is scummy to you? Please elaborate.

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please tell me why you're scumreading me
you seem to be avoiding me

Titus being upset at me makes playing this game extremely emotionally taxing so yeah I'm avoiding putting myself into the game than more than I have.

so you're scumreading me and refusing to explain to me why

Okay this just needs to die.

This sucks from both sides. RC answers 1/2 a question and then QR pretends that he answered 0/2.

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if I was going to campaign i would campaign against alisae because his push on btd6 is disignenuous as all hell

Should I just replace out?
like
you campaign for my lynch when we're both town like all of the time.
Did it in that one newbie and you did it in Scout's Everhope Large.

if you leave i think i'm gonna leave too. we can blacklist rc or something

it was truly necessary for you to make this post.

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what is anything tbh

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{Creature,

Titus

, A2,

Aronis

}
There's your scumteam

pls

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just check the chat, don't be lazy.

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Gonna read for a bit, here's about where my reads are at page 25.
{bulba, vedith,aronis,titus, gamma}
{math, 79, eddie, aelita, thinkbig, fourtrouble, rauth, tex, zeus,dram}
{btd6, ginngie}

I'll add null town/scum reads after I sort out a bit more of you guys.

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jesus I just read a page of one person

what the fuck

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@Titus: Is the Aronis scum read just an associative, cause he's reading as a VI to me.

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Wow. Do you really think MathBlade should have been able to deduce all of that from one vote count, as he claimed to have?

Okay, first off that really doesn't matter. MathBlade likes to use VCs and collect data from them. That's how they play. And you aren't even pushing Rauth, so why are you deflecting towards him? And even then, your tone sounds like moreso you're trying to gaslight Math, Rauth's tone just sounds like he's interested in the question that's being asked here.

This sucks

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@ginngie so you're convinced you can change my mind while I'm in deathtunnel mode on Titus
Ok, do your worst. i want to see this

I don't give a flying fuck about your death tunnel on Titus.

You want to know why?

It's because you're not a known entity on this site, I got silver tongue and you haven't earned the ability to whip votes in your favor.

It's a petty push that people won't care about and the reality of the situation is that Titus is never a day one lynch, later on down the road? yes. But day one? no.

So you're just wasting your time and like I said you're gonna be stubborn at first but by tomorrow you're gonna be helping me and we're going to have the best of times.

Spoiler: Gif

<<< Gif spoilered. >>>

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Spoiler: This is what complex looks like to me

Playerlist

TheRealGin-N-Tonic=VT₁
Desperado=VT₂
Whemestar=VT₃
Implosion=JOAT
AJ the Epic=RB
Nosferatu=Odd Cop

Day 4 Plan

Lynch VT₃

Night 4 Gameplan

RB blocks VT₂

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Click if there is no kill

Click if JOAT is killed

Click if Odd Cop is killed

Click if RB is killed

Day 5 Gameplan

No Lynch and proceed to Night 5 Outcome A

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VT₂ is cleared and confirmed town
This means the scum is in VT₁, Odd Cop, RB
No Lynch and proceed to Night 5 Gameplan Outcome B

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JOAT and VT₂ are confirmed.
scum is in VT₁ and RB

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VT₂ is confirmed town
Scum is in Odd Cop and VT₁

Night 5 Outcome A Gameplan

RB blocks VT₂
Odd Cop checks RB

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Click if there is no kill N5

Click if the Odd Cop is killed N5

Click if RB is killed N5

Night 5 Outcome B Gameplan

Night Actions:
RB blocks VT₁
Odd Cop checks RB

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Click if no kill N5

Click if VT2 is killed N5

Click if RB killed N5

Day 6 Outcome A Gameplan

If Odd Cop gives innocent on RB, then scum is VT₂
If guilty, lynch RB Proceed to Night 6 Outcome Gameplan

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VT₂ cleared and scum is in RB and VT₁

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VT₂ is confirmed town, scum is in VT₁ and Odd Cop

Day 6 Outcome B Gameplan

If Odd Cop has guilty, scum is in Odd Cop and RB.
If Odd Cop has innocent, scum is in Odd Cop and VT₁

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VT₁ is confirmed
Scum is in Odd Cop and RB

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VT₂ is confirmed town, scum is in Odd Cop and VT₁

Night 6 Outcome Gameplan

Hopefully the game is over

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If it's not, then JOAT, VT₂ confirmed town, doesn't matter which will die, scum is in Odd Cop and VT₁ if game does not end because of a fake guilty.

Day 7 Gameplan

JOAT or confirmed VT₂ will be alive, doesn't matter.
Odd Cop votes VT₁ and vice versa.
Confirmed Town is the hammering vote.

anything else isn't worth bitching about losing

please don't remind me of this game again

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tl;dr

tl;dr i have a shit ton of evidence that Titus is scum

it's amazing that you believe this.

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You willfully ignore the reasoning I stated in the same post I quoted.
You talk about players being easy pushes, that's called calling out scummy shit or sorting players. You're not supposed to know their alignments so literally any of those players could be scum, yet you sit here lambasting me for it.
There's no way right now where I don't think it's scummy as fuck for you to essentially say all 3 of those players are town.
You don't criticize a push cuz it's "easy" sometimes that's all it really fucking is and with the amount of years notched on your belt, you damn well know that.
So tell me, without knowing their alignments, what is the town motivation on your part in invalidating my pushes by making up excuses instead of arguing against what I have already stated to be the reasoning behind my pushes?

This is bad. It's obvious that some wagons are easier than others otherwise terms such as "low hanging fruit" wouldn't exist. Your narrative that you have to know alignments to shittalk a wagon is disingenuous.

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Page 50.
{bulba, vedith,aronis,titus, QR}
{79, A2}
{math, eddie, aelita, thinkbig, rauth, tex, dram}
{snarky}
{btd6, ginngie}

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well as of page 55 you have done no such thing. So far you're getting page tops, and quoting random NAI posts and saying they're AI. You've also provided a, quite frankly, literally garbage case on TB.

So I hope it gets better, for the sake of your self-efficacy.

pedit: you tried.

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who is trying to pocket you?

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Nosferatu doesn't feel town lol

ah? How do you figure?

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I'm running into a problem where I think all the scums are in the dark PT. :/

Aren't scum randomly distributed? How would it matter?

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why the fuck did you stop with one left? Scum.

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Page 75.
{bulba, vedith, aronis, titus, QR}
{79, A2, eddie, drcirno^{1 2}, tex, math^ginngie}
{rauth, dram}
{snarky, Creature^everything}
{btd6, ginngie}

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as long as you ignore the ginngie posts no one responds to it's generally kinda alright

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the nos you saw in large 203 was literally my town game

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I don't do "reads." Reads lead to "sorting"

I'm totally ripping this out of context and putting this in my sig later

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... Forgot I quoted that. I was going to say that it is very much possible to no lynch here.

i mean only if no one votes the whole phase

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if they know they are mason
and mason can't be scum
...?

Because Aronis isn't a mason and just tried to fake town slip. They are going to be something else.

Explain how if they are both masons, and both town, how 1 has the information and the other doesn't?

why am i agreeing with vedith

wtf is this lol

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@Nos I'm curious you mean when you say that 203 was your towngame; you were scum in singleball there. I'd also like to hear what you have to say about your reads on Creature, Ginngie and BTD where you're up to right now. I notice you're townreading Titus; what in particular are you seeing there?

203 was me basically not playing to my scum wincon and almost completely playing town!nos. Which is most of the reason I wasn't lynched even though like 2 people had played scum with me and another 3 had played with me as town.

On titus, call it a soulread.

I don't see Creature making any townie posts, despite the fact that it he is posting. Not enough to be active lurking but not enough to be town.

btd6 is not even active lurking, he's just popping in now and then "examining a wagon" and then leaving. There was also a scumpost really early into the game that I'm gonna half to remember now.

ginngie's whole interaction with math sucks for him, although it is getting better with this aronis wagon thing.

This is all in the past tense though, nothing current is taken into mind.

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b-e-a-tiful

why

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Trans-Siberian Orchestra

its lit

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b-e-a-tiful

why

LOOK

We all have our moments

THE ONLY PURPOSE IN THAT IS TO SPELL IT RIGHT

ITS THE ONLY REASON I CAN SPELL IT RIGHT

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Ah, I mistook her for Real-Gin-and-Tonics. They must be twins .

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My role pm mastin sent me has a submitted n1 action

night 1 or day 1?

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stupid for scum to claim that anyway lol

By any chance, is anyone here willing to be my bean daddy?

The only requirement is tat you have to know what a bean daddy is

if someone accepts pls dont reveal what it is in thread

How's the catchup going Nos?

almost page 100

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Page 100.
{bulba, vedith, aronis, titus, QR}
{79, A2, eddie, drcirno, tex, math, rauth}
{dram}
{snarky, Creature}
{btd6, ginngie}

not much changed tbh

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i dont even get why ive got a wagon

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I'm going to bully you

If this entails torture RC can bully me anyday

VOTE: Narna


OKAY CHOO CHOO MOTHERFUCKERS

like this isn't even from my replace in

VOTE: Nosferatu

this is just to put plurality on me

VOTE: Nosferatu

this is just survivalism

At least I know why creature is voting me lol

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Honey, I said like, 2 posts after that vote exactly what I was doing and that was the purpose of it lmao

that's what i said tho

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ok when the fuck did that happen

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I mean 60 pages ago but it's still better than Titus
VOTE: btd6

like a 180 holy shit Titus is in trouble, fuck the town read lets counterwagon onto BTD

ye

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Titus Creature Aronis A2
Welcome to the game

unfortunate

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Hey Math, skip the reading.

Were you roleblocked, yes or no. Town needs to know.

I need to know to answer that and I don't:

the fuck tho?

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time to find out what the fuck math claimed

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lmao savage

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I didn't see that no. There's a few days where I was basically prod dodging though. So it would help to see where we agree and disagree...

Mathblade
TheWayItEnds
Bulbazak

why are these together

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I didn't see that no. There's a few days where I was basically prod dodging though. So it would help to see where we agree and disagree...

Mathblade
TheWayItEnds
Bulbazak

why are these together

I'm presuming you accidentally included MathBlade there and are referring to the bottom two. TWIE is active lurking without even putting up a pretense of being town and Bulba is all pretense.

but their interactions with each other

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yas

bus lets gooo

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I'm refering about when I wanted to push nos
but no one cared

when lol

Ya know, nos, you haven't actually done anything worth townreading ya know

such as what

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QUICK, someone tell me nos' townreads and why

literally my only content is readlists

fuck kinda question

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because im a lazy fuck

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k

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should i steal this

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page tho?

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VOTE: nos
choo choo

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same

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Nos, random reads lists and frivolous comments, no explanations.

fuck you mean
i put links to posts that made me change tiers and you didn't ask for the explanation behind the original read
i did not think you cared cause no one did when i was questioning btd's behaviour upon replace in

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i was literally about to do that you fuck

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bah

BITCH I'M A DOG
ROOF

Beat the ho walls loose (hey)
Hop in the frog, whoo (skrt)

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I kinda wish I was town. Reading on my own before i replaced in, I had math and kelvin (my own slot lol) nailed. That would've felt good. Getting vigged was hilarious though, gj team

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Nosferatu I give you a scum win and you disgrace me with that avi?????

I DEMAND YOU CHANGE IT AT ONCE!

ITS BASED OFF A MANGA ITS OK

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Well, I won't do like most players do by spamming "X is scum" and never ever changing my reads.

you already spam so you might as well

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My take on it:

People who led towns in the older site meta (2013-2015) had a tendency to post a lot and compel the rest of the town that way. Eventually people were like "oh they're charismatic by posting a lot, so let me post a lot." But instead of looking at the nuances in their performances, they just looked at their post count and emulated that. So now we have a sitemeta of literally everyone spamposting their heads off, which leads to a pretty chaotic gamestate, which is beneficial for scum.

People also often look at post count to derive actual effort put into the game, so if someone's trying to lead they're like "well I've got a similarly high post count as well, I don't see why I've got to listen to this kid." Hence, towns don't have an actual singular leader.

I see that often with towns these days instead of one person going: "hold my beer I got this," instead I see a lot of townblocs controlling the game, but often those are just "alright who's putting effort into the game let's go" so scum can infiltrate the blocs further disrupting control.

To sum it up, people are posting a lot which allows for certain pro-scum tendencies from town to appear.

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we need to go back to wall meta!

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exactly. People now are trying to do what people did before, but they're only looking at part of the picture.

They're trying to emulate bob dylan by playing with the harmonica, but they've forgotten the guitar.

Strong townplayers should go "Hold my beer, I got this"
And strong townblocs controlling the game happen and they dominate because they formed so organicly that scum can't infilitrate them.

I didn't say they shouldn't.
Yeah strong townblocs form like that, but people aren't forming strong townblocs. Hence why towns are losing.

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I do acknowledge that I'm leaving out several variables. I'm centering my argument around just one.

Kingdom Hearst had a strong townbloc and that was a town win.
For Us had a strong townbloc and that was a town sweep. Yet again, that game comprised of players from an older generation for the most part.

Oh yeah
Sexy Brutale had a strong townbloc that wasn't formed till super late game and once that townbloc was formed we took our barings and took back control of the game because scum!Hiraki messed up, outed himself and Wis, and scum!Desperado was just being lame with his posting.

I'm saying that strong townblocs very well should -> town win. I'm saying that when town lose, its often because they didn't have a strong townbloc.