Midsummer Night's Revelry - [Game Over]

[Vecna]

Hey guys, im fine with publicly decided pairings/lynch, but I also do think pairing people together with people they are better at reading (due to prior games etc) would improve our chances of finding scum. Id have a slight preference for giga, but if she aint gonna use the hood anyway it doesnt matter much.

We should probably narrow the booting down to the 2 scummiest people and pair the rest before 6 days are past to not have any last minute shenanigans with people not being around. We could even consider pairing our townclear with the 2nd most scummy and keeping the pairr around untill the intermission to increase our odds of the scum not killing the pair with the townclear in the intermission.

[Vecna]

How about we ditch dem hoes and go for a nice bromance RC?

[Vecna]

Unless youre going for a quick nap id kinda expect that to be the size of my iso by then

[Vecna]

Ugh my neck is currently feeling like it has a ridley scott-alien hatching in it

[Vecna]

Dear diary,

I just had 2 orange-flavoured ice-creams

They were awesome

[Vecna]

Is LLD someone to be worried about?

[Vecna]

I have not

[Vecna]

Maxous, there is no accounting for pairing-options anyway - just for playstyle.

We wont know if scum would even choose to pair with other scum, and when one person of a pair dies, so does the other.

[Vecna]

Is LLD like a female version of scum-RC?

[Vecna]

Its ok Maria, I TR u

[Vecna]

Key, I doubt anyone is gonna deny you your pairing of choice if your better half to be agrees, unless the concensus is to get you booted off ofcourse

[Vecna]

Its page 4 and I havent managed to piss someone off yet. Are you guys scumreading me yet?

[Vecna]

Id totally go for the balsy play and pair with another scum, if I was scum.

Fooling towns in hoods is so 2016

[Vecna]

Yeah ok, my initial gut feeling says that Cabd is scum here

[Vecna]

Yeah ok, my initial gut feeling says that Cabd is scum here

Welcome to the town stop may I take your order?

Is this maria-dialect for approval or asking for clarification? (if the latter, hell-to-the-no, i cba)

[Vecna]

I think firebringer should adopt Transcend's avatar.

That way everytime he does a firebringer u can just go "ooooh thats a good boy"

[Vecna]

Cabd and LLD both feel pretty much scum-confirmed

[Vecna]

If they were scum together no way do they pass up the chance to have me choose to play with Cabd.

Mm, point on mechanical difference being minimal.

(thats what they want you to think)

[Vecna]

I honestly didn't

we'll sort this out

you -honestly- didnt?

Tad overly defensive there dunnybunny

[Vecna]

For those who don't understand, scorched earth works like this.

At the end of the pre-dance phase, anyone without a partner will certainly die. Which means we get to control the size of this game by killing people immediately.

Here are the goals of Scorched Earth

1) To lower the player total below or equal to 12, as it will trigger the intermission, and force scum to kill SUPER early.
2) To pair Hebi with someone super scummy. This way, it increases the likelyhood Hebi LIVES through that kill.
3) To kill a shit ton of people and generate reads through this, instead of making pre-dance kind of useless.

And this would be exactly what id suggest if I was scum going to partner with a scum partner. Eliminate a large part of the town without a voting record, and group up your third scum member with the townclear, and then only have to talk your way through 3 mislynches

[Vecna]

Now, don't back down RC. Ask me to dance, or admit you don't want to be blown up~.

I'll lynch you if you don't partner with me~. Partnering with me confirms your death~.

Why does this feel like its working up to a "oh he dared to put his life on the line, he is oh so towny, let us sail together all the way to the end".

[Vecna]

Id like maxous to team up with A2 actually.

Id hate Cabd to pair up with A2

Maxous is my strongest townread this game.

RC & LLD could indeed could be scum together - and that leadup to the pairing was overly theatrical. Im allready calling it that they will never ever blow eaachother up.

[Vecna]

GigabyteTroubadour, care to dance?

[Vecna]

And why would you recommend such a thing?

[Vecna]

I dont see how that affects our pairing at all. Giga is pretty obv-town to me, and I welcome any attempts to stop us from gamesolving by trying to spark suspicions

[Vecna]

I mean I paired with LLD because I thought she was scum but the amount of people trying to push us as 2 scum or pressuring either member of us into rush danceleaving makes me uncomfortable at the least.

Make no mistake I still plan to kill the fuck out of you, but there are some things I need to see to before I shuffle off this

mortal coil

dance floor.

WHAT ARE YOU WAITING FOR?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w-Ng5muAAcg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yvwo8f3SXKA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f5qICl3Fr3w

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ahdmNS9Nkm0

[Vecna]

It aint never happening

[Vecna]

I gotta know better than thinking youre vain enough to think you'd be able to talk and bullshit yourself through something like this?

[Vecna]

I just want someone thatll treat you right, and Maxous seems like a perfectly capable gentlemen.

The cabd read is mostly just a gut-read, where your senses tell you that that person is just trying to appear towny by spinning a lot of pretty words that are supposed to sound good. Its really hard to point to the exact reason why I feel that way about certain people, but these reads of mine are quite often correct.

[Vecna]

As long as im correct I dont really care

[Vecna]

What happened to RC having to die first LLD?

Youve already moved on to change the narrative, or did you already go 3/3 in finding scum?

Alisae, how come you are actually appearing completely unafraid of getting pocketed again this game? Youre joking around about it quite a lot, but apparently youre not even realizing what is being said when it comes to the pairings.

[Vecna]

(also in the RC + LLD scum pairing scenario, RC is currently in the lead when it comes to being "convincing town", shape up LLD)

[Vecna]

What happened to RC having to die first LLD?

Youve already moved on to change the narrative, or did you already go 3/3 in finding scum?

Alisae, how come you are actually appearing completely unafraid of getting pocketed again this game? Youre joking around about it quite a lot, but apparently youre not even realizing what is being said when it comes to the pairings.

are you really still pushing the 2 scum narrative

How about you stop adressing it and let me have some dialogue with that partner of yours

[Vecna]

So, 3/3 then?

[Vecna]

the tl;dr is, Vecna, you have exactly zero other reads and it's possible you could be using this to distract. I want to see other content from you.

this is actually a good point :/

vecna can i get a full readlist from you?

Im pretty sure its actually a very easily provable lie, but ill put up a new reads list after catching up on the last few pages.

[Vecna]

Gentlemen

keyenpeydee

Dunnstral

Firebringer

RadiantCowbells

Priscila

Cabd

Maxous
Vecna
ActionDan

Ladies

MariaR
gigabyteTroubadour

Shiro
A2

penguin_alien

hebichan

Lady Lambdadelta

Mint Berry Crunch

The way it feels to me atm, most scum are probably hiding in the female population. I dont have any super-strong scumreads atm. I had some gutpings on people, but nothing super solid yet. Cabd has started feeling a little better, but could still very well be scum. Alisae is once again scumreading me and feels a bit off, but we read eachother this very same way in nearly every game we play, and so far were always reading eachother wrong.

Maxous, care to elaborate why youre scumreading me to this extent? Id think you of all people should be intimately aware of my scumplay, and that this is nothing like it.

[Vecna]

Um, you're making me feel bad mariaR

You should know that this isn't really my scum play. RC should really know better as well

You do feel much more spring fevery than PYP'ish to me FYI.

Do you think Maria is acting pissed off because she just realized she shot herself in the scum-foot by getting you burried in suspicion?

[Vecna]

Gigabyte is there anything else I can do to help you make up your mind? Its not that id mind pairing up with any of the other ladies, but I do feel we should be able to read eachother much better, while being a lot more immune to attempts from the other to pocket.

Im kind of puzzled, id have thought you would be kinda interested in going for the game-solve here (even though theres not much of a mechanical puzzle here)

[Vecna]

Scum people would be calling you scum for rather obvious reasons Dunn, since theyd need people to think that the scum are allready paired so they receive less scrutiny themselves.

Theres a reason why so many people are echoing others reads. Very rarely have I had so many people echo one of my gut scumreads that I just tossed out there after said person made 2 posts (cabd)

[Vecna]

Kind of annoying, if my current reads are correct we allready cannot lynch scum anymore with this dance-pairing

[Vecna]

Hey RC, I have a statement for you;

Ive never seen you care so much about people their read on you, or care so much about living as youre doing right now.

Why does it feel much more like youre just trying to make people back off by throwing so many words at them that they just tire of arguing with you?

[Vecna]

Maxous, care to elaborate why youre scumreading me to this extent? Id think you of all people should be intimately aware of my scumplay, and that this is nothing like it.

what?
that game where you completely snowed me?

I don't like your cabd read, i thought it was weird you were pushing me to pair with A2 and your request to pair with Giga felt out-of-nowhere and unexplained.
And now you're scumreading A2?

As opposed to pyp where I cuddled you with kindness, ill just be blunt here. I wanted you to pair with A2 because A2 as town gets completely pocketed by competent manipulating scum and will defend them to death, to the detriment of the game. Since you are probably town, and Id estimate youre way less manipulative as scum then Cabd, it felt like a much much better and pro-town pairing that way.

Whether A2 is scum or not is completely besides the point. He tends to scumread me in literally every game we feel, and every time it just feels weird and forced - and I bet he'd merily continue that habit as scum.

Sometimes, it doesnt hurt to ask these things. Lets work together this game and snow the scumteam for once.

[Vecna]

And Vecna? I don't do this as scum either. So at the very least you should recognize this is

weird play

because it's driven my out of game concerns about the idiocy of just policy lynching me and LLD for being me/LLD.

Yeah as scum you -do- just keep talking untill people tire of arguing with you.

At any rate, im watching you.

[Vecna]

Because I like their analytical playstyle when town, and it matches very well with mine. That, and I feel I can pretty accurately pinpoint her scumplay after Spring fever.

[Vecna]

All 5 are town regardless, and amonst the remaining ladies picking at least 1 is scum, so even if there still is a scum remaining in those 5 - theyll end up being picked.

[Vecna]

Maxous, what do you think about me and the accusations made against me?

i would guess you're town.
the only accusation i can remember from the the top of my head is LLD saying that you contradicted yourself about scumreading her but i didn't think much of it.

I have been calling him on lack of content and appealing to Maria and think he should very much be hung. RC also scumreads him.

I want to move on from the LLD/RC thing because it will either sort itself out or it won't and there's a lot more heads to bang for information.

p-edit: I would like Priscila or Vecna out. I would like Maxous or Action Dan as a partner.

Here's whatll happen; You pair with Maxous or Action dan - both will probably remain widely townread, and you'll give scum the easiest intermission-killchoice ever.

[Vecna]

It appears people are having a rather hard time making up their mind who those townlocks are though.....

Maybe ill have to turn off my usual town-"charm" for a little while and try to cuddle up to people for a bit.

[Vecna]

WHYD O YOU WANT PRISCILA OUT DEAR LORD

Honestly I just haven't felt much at all from the priscilla reads at all.

Eh, I guess I want mostly vecna out, he has the most content I don't like in general, and has been posting.

Dunnstral has been appeasing everyone pretty much, especially Maria, its why its my top lynch.

It's just most of the scummier guys already paired off.


p-edit; Also vecna, yes, but in what world am I not killed? I wanted to pair with firebringer, but that didn't work out. I find you too scummy and want you dead, and I don't want to be with Priscilla. Key, Maxous and AD are all townreads for pretty much everyone, I'm probably going to die in any pair. Might as well get some use out of it first.

For what its worth; youre wrong about me, and this game needs someone to shove unpopular opinions into the limelight.

Also, saying that you disliked my content the most out of everyone is rather weird, since ive never seen my reads be copied to such a large extent as has been happening in this game.

[Vecna]

WHYD O YOU WANT PRISCILA OUT DEAR LORD

Honestly I just haven't felt much at all from the priscilla reads at all.

Eh, I guess I want mostly vecna out, he has the most content I don't like in general, and has been posting.

Dunnstral has been appeasing everyone pretty much, especially Maria, its why its my top lynch.

It's just most of the scummier guys already paired off.


p-edit; Also vecna, yes, but in what world am I not killed? I wanted to pair with firebringer, but that didn't work out. I find you too scummy and want you dead, and I don't want to be with Priscilla. Key, Maxous and AD are all townreads for pretty much everyone, I'm probably going to die in any pair. Might as well get some use out of it first.

For what its worth; youre wrong about me, and this game needs someone to shove unpopular opinions into the limelight.

Also, saying that you disliked my content the most out of everyone is rather weird, since ive never seen my reads be copied to such a large extent as has been happening in this game.

"I have unpopular opinions!"

"My reads are being copied!"

Shag off friend!

Also, Maxous and Action Dan have both disagreed with me several times already, yet they are my top partners.

Alright, do you honey, its your limelight. Just dont fuck it up

[Vecna]

Wish we could just hurry this phase along already, this is all starting to resolve around inter-personal memes and drama and people trying to polish up their own ego

[Vecna]

P_A, how are your reads progressing? Who is your preferred dancing partner at this point?

[Vecna]

Wish we could just hurry this phase along already, this is all starting to resolve around inter-personal memes and drama and people trying to polish up their own ego

ego battle me Vecna it'll be a fight for the ages

We should combine our ego's and try to fight RC. Maybe that would be a close match

[Vecna]

Id say he's rather absent right now, and his last act was calling me all sorts of scummy.

Might I conclude out of this statement that you want to _save_ the vecna?

[Vecna]

It's funny because I solved this game on like page 10 and everyone's still scrambling to catch up.

Oh really? Refresh me as to whose scum again?

[Vecna]

You act like scum me would dance with you in the first place.

Oh I know you would. Dancing with me is more important than winning the game

I didn't flip scum so I can't really say what I would've done if I was so *shrug* if you sr me you sr me I don't really give a fuck I'm obv town to me because there's things in this dance game That I wouldn't do as scum so I'll find all the scum like the last game and this time people will fucking listen to me instead of getting to end game

So tell us some reads, oh great one.

pls no not the pressure it makes me crack I didn't mean to sheep me I still get PTSD from my last game where I called out the last 2 scum and no one listened >_> Who I sr you'll know

Then don't call me biased, question me, then talk yourself up.

Simple question, which guy should we leave out of the pairs out of the remaining ones?

I am calling you bias because you are I don't' retract that statement LOL

What is my bias here? Seriously, I don't get it.

A few of the statements you say seem to just be what you believe and not given by any fact and just seems like extreme bias and is causing you to sr/tr people who agree with your viewpoint and it makes me wince

Oh Maria, youre doing such a great job of pocketing me......its like insanely disgusting, but beautifull at the same time

[Vecna]

Also dunnstral, that little part you just posted about me almost feels like youre asking me to trade TR's with you.

"ILL TR YOU IF YOULL JUST TR ME VECNA"

[Vecna]

Giga, can you please come in here and post some stuff so I can read you before im possibly sent away?

[Vecna]

RC, if you really feel strongly about those reads...

Why havent you been pushing for me to pair with P_A?

Clearly, you should be aware ill never survive untill endgame in a setup such as this.

[Vecna]

Giga, can you please come in here and post some stuff so I can read you before im possibly sent away?

fuck off.

offer to pair with giga.

I have done that

[Vecna]

Also dunnstral, that little part you just posted about me almost feels like youre asking me to trade TR's with you.

"ILL TR YOU IF YOULL JUST TR ME VECNA"

That's not what I'm asking, put I think you should be able to get a good read on me if I end up playing like in PYP again

Your playstyle is currently miles and miles away from how you played in PYP.

Its very different from RC's spring game as well, so im wondering why RC is scumreading you so strongly.

Ive never seen you play like you have played this game Dunn. Im not sure if its because of these dynamics with Maria, or just another reason - but its not the dunn ive grown used to.

[Vecna]

RC - a little bit of strategy discussion, as you keep yapping on about creating strong town - town pairs.....

Wouldnt you say its better to actually sent home the person thats most likely to get pocketed, since the scum in the remaining unpaired ladies will probably find a way to pair with the softest targets.

Invariably, youre not actually gonna be correct about all your scumreads, and the way for scum to win is through pocketing people....

[Vecna]

Do not understand that response

[Vecna]

Yeah im not really sure im interested in pairing up with Mintberry Crunch overly much, so ill just leave it up to Gigabyte whether im gonna participate in this game or not.

[Vecna]

Why so biased to keeping in priscila RC?

[Vecna]

Why so biased to keeping in priscila RC?

Because she's obvious town and her posts on P_A are the ones that gave the game away.

Pre-flip associations much?

[Vecna]

[Vecna]

u n me both

[Vecna]

This pretending to have the game solved before pairs are even made is kinda rediculous to me.

[Vecna]

So youre fine townlocking the Fire + Shiro couple?

Why do you feel that ive any of the other 5 remaining gents is scum, it is me?

[Vecna]

hmmmmmm

[Vecna]

rc why did you townlock me so quickly?

i've never been this active sitewide and i figured most of my towntelling came from my spammy style of parsing games but thats obviously not the case here and im doing way more reading than i'm used to

Your towntell is something else then that.

Maybe ill tell you about it in the hood, wink-wink

[Vecna]

i want dan's thoughts not yours raybells.

pedit: keyen is obvtown stop

Im just gonna come out here and say this......

Even knowing that hes like my direct confrontation for a partnering, and itll look iffy for me to say so......

But of the 5 remaining players I think Keyen should be left out because at least theres a little chance he flips scum. His lasts few posts seem to be a little too "in the grain, and buddy-buddying".

Still think he's most likely town, but id prefer the person to be left out to be Keyen, or maaaaybe Dan because he doesnt seem as active.

Priscilla, Maxous and me will probably add more to the game - even though Maxous and Priscilla are probably going to be slightly stubborn persons to argue with.

[Vecna]

If Maxous takes Penguin then I will take GBT.

Back off

[Vecna]

Im not really too interested in letting the IC decide the pairings if she still cannot read me correctly here, even after stating she agrees with pretty much all my reads. Most scum have already forced their pairings so why try and dictate to town how they should play and limit their best way of being effective?

Im quite certain I can easily read GBT, and ive never been wrong about their allignment yet in a game with them. Ill obv-town it up regardless, and I prefer to be paired with GBT for previously stated reasons.

If youre gonna limit my effectivity, just leave me out. Ill pair with GBT or noone.

Soooo....GBT stop fussing around the issue and make a pick. Dont worry too much about what the IC or RC think here please, and make your own choice to solve the game.

[Vecna]

Yeah taking a stand that is quite likely to get me eliminated sure is scummy as fuck.

[Vecna]

Hmm ok, maybe we should actually leave out maxous if thats what he's going to be pushing

[Vecna]

Are you saying that Giga is scummy or that Priscilla is scummy? Or both?

[Vecna]

After those sensible explenations you get to stay again. -

And I agree with you that she should make up her mind soon (especially if shes going to accept me while also wanting to keep key around so he can still have time to find a different partner) and I can see where youre coming from - but I dont think it makes giga scum, especially after she proposed the plan to let the IC make the pairings. Would be a bit strange for her to just insta-accept a pairing request after that.

[Vecna]

As for a bonus question - How does your scumread of Priscilla and RC fit together? You think them as a scumpair would make it as blatant as RC has been making it that he wants priscilla to stay?

[Vecna]

I know that feeling

[Vecna]

aye, more solid posts from dan that i can only agree on.

we still need to find someone to pair with mintberry though. my personal preference would be for it to be maxous and have that pair also commit mostly to the general thread. aslo then priscilla goes with pa, and dan with hebbi - and we leave key out in the cold, there seems to be the most consensus on that.

[Vecna]

GBT is also probably scum ftr, their scumhunting shows no signs of struggling to actually read alignment.

What scumhunting? Giga has just been absent pretty much.

[Vecna]

It feels like people saying that I need to be left out feels like scumdriven.

I don't know. I think it's objectively protown for the weaker player to leave and Vecna is the stronger player but I don't townread Vecna nearly as hard and he is much more likely to contribute noise so from a certain perspective it does make sense to keep you over him. You are just more likely to be manipulated by scum - that's why you're a perfect pair for Hebichan.

Wait, are you the alt of someone ive played with before? Where is this coming from?

[Vecna]

hmmm ok, then I at least somehow understand where youre coming from with the noise comment. Not really sure why that would make you suspicious of me here though since that game was a rather terrible performance since it ran at the same time as civ-mafia.

[Vecna]

Mechanically impossible due to gender not being male

[Vecna]

We have so many people with weird activity times, also we have like, just over 24 hours to do this I think, so can we just pair up?

The game started on saturday FYI, meaning we have at least 62 more hours or so

[Vecna]

Still not coming around to me being obv-town Hebi?

[Vecna]

Still not coming around to me being obv-town Hebi?

Obvtown, no, town-lean sure. Wanna dance? You're probably more active than anyone else left.

Hmmm interesting proposal, but I would be afraid this would default us to be killed nearly for certain in the intermission.

[Vecna]

if vecna is town though that means vecna probably gets nk'd and i'd like to prevent that if possible since i think he'd be a strong player lategame if he's paired with town

So accept my request already and let the rest figure shit out for themselves

[Vecna]

Were lynching town here regardless, and tbh between Dan and Keyen there doesnt appear to be too much difference in how usefull theyre gonna be this game (yes this is not a nice statement, I know, tough luck).

At least Dan's post are of a similair thought pattern as mine, whenever Keyen is posting im just thinking of that ancicent aliens guy.

At this stage the best we can do is Dan + Hebi, me + GBT, Priscilla + mintberry.

At least then if scum wanna kill the IC they wont drag along another very vocal player.

Losing 2 vocal players in the intermission means scum can run over the town after intermission, and thats something we want to avoid imo.

[Vecna]

(with this statement what I basically wanna say is I want to be around after intermission in case RC and LDD are still around at that time)

[Vecna]

I think dan flips scum more often than anyone else left in gentlemen tbh

Im not seeing it

[Vecna]

You have something to say Alisae? If so, use words.

[Vecna]

Also GBT, with the pressure building up against you I want the time to read into you properly.

Lets just go with it, you know it has to happen.

[Vecna]

time is starting to become of the evidence. GBT, make up your mind please. i want you to accept my proposal before i wake up or give me notice that i need to propose to someone else.

also people, you signed up for thr game so like....play it please? town leaving voluntarily is only gonna make this game harder for town so lets make sone pairs already.

time is ticking

[Vecna]

I would prefer to just leave the dance today to be honest. I have no ability to care about this game from the start and even now. The only reason I can think of to stay is for mariar but she is not here and I can cheer her on from the dead thread if I want and she will probably be there soon anyway too.

YOU'RE NOT ALLOWED TO LEAVE MEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

Oh. OK. Tell me what to do?

pair with mint berry crunch

[Vecna]

GBT pair with me
Vecna should be with Hebi

no

[Vecna]

if this tip-toe'ing around is gonna lead to me being left out due to time constraints my suspicious natire is ordering everyone to lynch your pair first.

you've been asking around for concensus on who should be left out. from what i can see the overwhelming majority is saying that you should pair me and that key should be left out.

you agree me and hebi will result in a guaranteed kill during the intermission, and thus is not a very optimal pairing.

yet youre still holding off on pairing. youve been saying the entire game youd prefer me over key, but now hes suddenly your strongest townread? and youre trying to force keyen to stay in even though the majority seems to want him out?

i might not know him, but this seems really iffy.

[Vecna]

something strange is going on here and my tingle-bone is now interested.

[Vecna]

The easiest way to summarise is that I think her reads over the game are too vague/cautious and appeasing.

Why the insistence on keeping Key in though? You think giga would be this blatant over protecting a potential scumbuddy?

[Vecna]

Hebichan, Care to dance?

This should be used as a last resort only imo, to keep me from being eliminated.

These weird shenanigans make me want to see Key leave the dance even more, so im still a strong proponent to having Dan + Hebi be a thing. If key does flip scum ill leave the dance on GBT. If GBT does choose key over me im fine with having hebi partner me and lynching GBT.

[Vecna]

no?
Key is town

Your 2 statements dont make sense together

[Vecna]

Well unless youre thinking GBT is scum that wants to have an easy target to pocket I guess

[Vecna]

Hebi, just make a descisive call on how u want the final pairings to go. And we force it that way, by way of following it up with a lynch if people dont comply.

This back-and forth needs to end in a proper way.

[Vecna]

My braindump is lynch GBT without fail if im no longer around.

She's been asking for pairings to be based on concensus. Absolutely noone has stated they wanted to see me go here, yet......for some reason she has put us in a scenario where that is viable due to not being willing to be decisive at all.. There is no doubt in my mind she knows im town here, and the only reason she'd choose key over me here is if either she is scum or (less likely) both are.

[Vecna]

Good job