Night and Day Mafia (Game Over)

[79 CE]

Math, do you have all claims so far on file anywhere?

[79 CE]

Eh, Math feels town honestly.

[79 CE]

Your PoE is based on extremely weak reasoning and conjecture.

[79 CE]

Creature didn't claim protective? Why is it not clear that BTD was roleblocked?

pedit yeah, you're not even trying to talk at this point Bulba.

[79 CE]

You've removed Titus from the PoE; why is QR cleared?

[79 CE]

So QR rolecopped Alisae?

[79 CE]

Gin, why is Titus town, an actual decent reason, please?

[79 CE]

Bulba, I have done the exact same thing as scum that you claim would've been impossible for Titus to ever manage if she were scum. Your reasoning is flat shit. Give me something not garbage and I will listen.

[79 CE]

Don't see why Titus is cleared; I don't disagree about Math but Ari doesn't want to vote them.

[79 CE]

@CE: I've gone over in explicit detail why Titus is town. I've explained why it doesn't make sense for her to be scum. Everything in the thread is pointing to a beyond a doubt town Titus. At this point, you're in conf. bias mode just to keep Titus as a scumread.

Haven't been arguing that she's scum; have been arguing that the reasoning you've given me for townreading her doesn't seem particularly good at all. You've not given me any reason to believe that your argumentation is better than what I argue; you've not talked about her play beyond conjecture.

[79 CE]

Gin you ended the day voting BTD I don't think you have any right to be going around yelling that he was obvtown.

[79 CE]

Gin, you didn't do a lot yesterday; I pushed Nosferatu and people followed, you included. I called you off QR who you were scumreading. I sorted the board to get there. Basically don't get why you're making this all about you when there were a lot of other things going on and you never seriously argued against Titus' BTD push while I was doing just that. Like, stop yelling because it's ridiculous.

[79 CE]

Also there were 8 days left, not 2.

[79 CE]

I've already told you that I can't because Ari.

[79 CE]

You were the one to call out that Math was scum in the last game so quickly, he plays this game once a week and there's no real reason to hold your vote for someone who can't keep up in the middle of a conversation.

And Bulba and I were the first ones to call them scum in this game and Ari agreed with me initially; I'm not going to disrespect my hydra partner just because he's asleep or behind a little.

[79 CE]

If I could quote her claim from the PT I would, but it's without a doubt town.

Fair enough.

[79 CE]

Highly doubt the dead PT gives a shit about this game by now.

[79 CE]

Welp. Guess that makes Ginngie confirmed scum.

[79 CE]

updated scumteam: Titus, Bulb, Ginn

Highly doubt this is the scumteam tbh. Bulb, Gin, Titus seems far more likely.

[79 CE]

@Gin: He's also scum. So there's that.

Sorry, no, the way he claimed his role type in the Dark PT was completely obvious town, he's basically conf!town to me at this point.

[79 CE]

My reasoning has no flaws.

[79 CE]

I hard townread dramonic for his claim and the fact that he's been in the Dark PT all this time means he's bascially conf!town. Scum's agenda is clearly to put scum in Light PT and he's been in the Dark PT the whole time so he's 100% town there's absolutely no question about it.

[79 CE]

Like, the fact that you're calling him scum right now basically proves that scum have been trying to keep him in the Dark to WIFOM us into scumreading him; just look at day 2 and see how many people were softing scumreads on dramonic; scum want dramonic dead and they're trying to frame him.

[79 CE]

You're adorable when you hold a grudge

Honestly though, telling me you think this is nothing but a grudge is just flat insulting. I've given Bulba reason after reason why I don't think his reasoning for townreading Titus is good and he's given me nothing in response; you've given me nothing - both of your approaches to this game are hot garbage, frankly.

[79 CE]

Don't think you're particularly capable of hearing anything except your own delusions, so I'm not surprised.

[79 CE]

I've given several solid reasons for Titus being town. Your answer is essentially, "Well, she could still be scum, because she could be super smart and psychic!". That's not a realistic rebuttal of anything I said. That's just blatant refusal to even consider that she might be town. Heck, even Quantum, the strongest pusher of her wagon, has admitted that he's reconsidered his scum read based on everything I presented. So this is not me be delusional. This is you being hard headed.

1. Town because she was moved to Dark and wouldn't have the ability to manipulate people in Light PT.
- Weak reasoning. Don't think she would've had any sway in Light PT after all her bullshit was exposed with a BTD townflip.

2. Town because she was moved to Dark and scum wanted to break up the protective bloc.
- Weak reasoning. Don't think scum care about the protective bloc when they didn't kill in protectives and Bodyguard is basically a non-role.

3. Town because she was moved to Dark and scum wouldn't want to give up her power.
- WIFOM. Switching town!Titus for town!Bulba is very much -EV play when you have one of the weakest town roles outed in Light against an almost guaranteed stronger role in town!Bulba. You have to resort to assuming you know what the scumteam was thinking which is impossible with the limited information we have. You can't do it; it's -EV regardless of Titus' alignment.

4. Town because shew as moved to Dark and the last player that was moved to Dark was town.
- WIFOM. Not even worth elaborating on why this isn't valid.

5. Town because she claimed Bodyguard.
- Weak reasoning. Bodyguard is the one role that scum could potentially claim without being directly cc'd which makes the claim essentially null.

6. Town because she claimed and outed strongman before town outside Gin knew that there was a strongman.
- Decent reasoning but ultimately too circumstantial to be very conclusive. 50/50 guess on Gin being investigative or protective, more likely protective depending on how Gin claimed; scum!Titus knowing scum night actions has motivation for pre-emptively claiming and enough information to be able to make a correct claim; I have pulled this exact thing off before as scum and don't find it unlikely that Titus would be capable of doing so as well, it isn't hard to do with a little intuition.

Don't think I missed anything that you've raised so far.

Fair enough if you want to townread her for #6 when her content in game has been town; it hasn't - that reasoning alone is very much a stretch if that's all you're going by considering it is entirely fakeable. Fair enough if you have literally ANY other decent reasons for townreading her - you don't seem to. You're townreading her based on conjecture that she couldn't have made that play as scum when I believe she could have (even if it's more likely that she didn't); you're arguing that I'm bullheaded and wrong by implication because I actually believe in my reads actually having good reasoning; you've not quoted a single Titus post, read, progression or anything and argued why it's town; I'm not interested in being told that someone is town for reasons that I have no way to judge first-hand and have argued against pretty fairly with the information that I have access to; you're handwaving me because you can't be bothered to accept that your reasoning isn't as strong as you'd like to believe.

Okay, so how about an easier question for you: Why is Titus scum?

I'm not convinced that she is; her reaction to BTD's townflip was incredibly fake and she's been playing to scum wincon pretty emphatically which is at the very least convincing reasoning for me not to townread her. Aslan thinks that the latter point is her play as town; Aslan's two reasons alone are actually more convincing than all of your spin - 1) that her play resembles Spring Fever and 2) that there hasn't been the kind of mechanical fuckery that she'd expect if Titus were scum here, not that I'm in a position to evaluate the latter from the Dark PT; not a coincidence that both of Aslan's reasons are capable of being engaged with and parsed on a substantive level whereas yours are either take-it-or-leave-it.

[79 CE]

Somewhere scum being at: Vedith > texcat > 79 CE

Zzz. You know better than this Creature; I was hard pushing for Nosferatu's lynch and that makes me all but conf!town unless you know nothing of my meta.

[79 CE]

Everytime someone says they're confirmed town god kills a kitten.

I'm just pissed off that Creature has flipped his read on me and is even considering me as scum here.

[79 CE]

Literally, Creature. What the fuck. Is going on in your head.

[79 CE]

Gin, are you ready to solve with me yet?

[79 CE]

You know what, Aristophanes can take the reins. No one is interested in actually playing mafia; I'm done here. Enjoy your shitshow.

[79 CE]

You know what, Aristophanes can take the reins. No one is interested in actually playing mafia; I'm done here. Enjoy your shitshow.

What have you monsters done to my dear nancy!?

I'm not by any means caught up. I'm like 20 pages behind again. But I

will

find out who did this amd I

will

make you pay!

Then I will find scum and we will win this game!

- Ari

[79 CE]

What the fuck happened to my game I've been gone for less than 24 hours.

I don't know

- Ari

[79 CE]

Creature, CE, and QR

that's our lynch

LETS GO GO GO

Are you suggesting that we ate to be lynched or that we ate to be on the lynch?

- Ari

[79 CE]

I van sheep nancy in her honour then!

VOTE: Mathblade

I have not sorted the claims or read up as yet.

- Ari

[79 CE]

Dors pizza count as water?

- Ari

[79 CE]

<3 <3 <3

[79 CE]

I will mention that voting with Bulba abd Titus makes me uneastly.

But I do what I must

[79 CE]

(Ari)

[79 CE]

You don't go in knowing a set up

There wasn't any indication at night start to think bus driver.

A lot of your reasoning is ends justifying the means but that doesn't work because you don't know the results before you make the actions

So much this

[79 CE]

Is it bad that all this 11-7 talk game me a game idea?

Also, its really offtopic and we should pribably get back to lynching scum!

[79 CE]

Well Ari
you need to get with the program and vote some scums with me.

I'll read that texcat case again I giess? I don't remember it, but I was tired.

Is it bad that all this 11-7 talk game me a game idea?

Also, its really offtopic and we should pribably get back to lynching scum!

no? what're you thinking?? I've actually been trying to think about a way to make an 11-7 game actually balanced now

or just running a bastard game and surprising everybody with an 11-7 incredibly scumsided scum setup and see what happens.

Well if I tell you that it wouldnt be any fun, now would it!

[79 CE]

VOTE: Texcat
This is scum that is okay with both wagons.

I dobt see this in their post.

Why is this slam dunk for you?
Why is it better than math/bulba who are decent wagons today? Why can those two wait until tomorrow?

[79 CE]

Nobody is here. But A2, even if you are a sureshot townie, I'm not just going to sheep you. Convince me a bit, eh?

[79 CE]

I hope you all know that this game is stupid.

Not because of you, mastina! I like the setup a lot

[79 CE]

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[79 CE]

Creature is town.

Titus is probably strongarm. If not Titus then either Bulba or QR.

How do you see mechanics shenanigans and go "oh okay the person whose meta makes them blindingly town BY PLAY must be scum, vote Creature"?

[79 CE]

Anyway bye I shouldn't be posting.

Lovehearts.

[79 CE]

I read Light PT, feel free to ask whatever. Bulba is 100% scum.

[79 CE]

I'm only ever lynching in Titus and Bulba here.

[79 CE]

What are your reads, Vedith?

[79 CE]

A2
Creature
QuantumRadius
texcat
Vedith
Aronis
dramonic

TheWayItEnds

Titus
Bulbazak

[79 CE]

Never lynching anyone in the top tier.

[79 CE]

^This is what you guys took instead of me.

They didn't take me, ftr. Scum chose the switch. Thank you for townslipping, though!

[79 CE]

Titus can't be scum, she started in light and both light scum are dead.

Don't be bad.

????????????????????

[79 CE]

Fyi the post that Bulba claimed made Titus all but conf!town was a two-line post that came out of nowhere, was completely flat tonally, had no nuance and was not followed up at all.

[79 CE]

VCs from Light PT. They're not really indicative of anything.

Spoiler:

Dawn 2.1
Aronis - 2 (QuantumRadius, Ginngie)

Not Voting - 5 (Mathblade, Titus, Creature, BTD6_maker, Frosted Kelvin Bran)

2.2
Aronis - 3 (QuantumRadius, Ginngie, Mathblade)

Not Voting - 4 (Titus, Creature, BTD6_maker, Frosted Kelvin Bran)

2.3
Rautherdir - 3 (Ginngie, Frosted Kelvin Bran, QuantumRadius)
Aronis - 1 (Mathblade)

Not Voting - 3 (Titus, Creature, BTD6_maker)

2.4
Rautherdir - 4 (Ginngie, Frosted Kelvin Bran, QuantumRadius, Titus)
Aronis - 1 (Mathblade)

Not Voting - 2 (Creature, BTD6_maker)

Dawn 3.1
A2 - 4 (QuantumRadius, Creature, Nosferatu, Ginngie)
Titus - 1 (Bulbazak)

Not Voting - 1 (Mathblade)

Dusk 3.1
Titus - 3 (A2, Bulbazak, Ginngie)

Not Voting - 2 (Creature, QuantumRadius)

[79 CE]

What post?
Titus is town because mechanically, it's a disadvantage to having 3 scum start in light (for scum).
Didn't happen.

Distribution is random. There could've been 4 scum randomized to Light PT at game start for all we know.

[79 CE]

@Mod please confirm that 4 scum could hypothetically have been randomized to start in the Light PT.

<<< Answered in 6372. >>>

[79 CE]

Thank you! <3 I could have quoted it but I needed it from you to get through to Vedith.

[79 CE]

Creature is 1000000000000000000000000000000000000000% town.

[79 CE]

Titus is in fact scum.

[79 CE]

Yep, and I think they're all town! Do you have a result for us?

[79 CE]

I find it strange that you haven't checked Titus despite scumreading her so strongly all this time?

[79 CE]

What was your N1 check QR?

[79 CE]

Vedith, there's a strongman in the Light. Creature was protecting Gin and Gin died. It can only be Titus by PoE.

[79 CE]

And Creature is conf!town by play whereas Titus is utterly digusting.

[79 CE]

dramonic I miss you

[79 CE]

Aronis, for once in this game, stop being useless and actually vote scum.

I would but I'm just too useless to possibly do anything right tbh
I don't even know why I'm here
Just so useless
I'm completely worthless

No youre not! Don't say these things! <3

Fyi the post that Bulba claimed made Titus all but conf!town was a two-line post that came out of nowhere, was completely flat tonally, had no nuance and was not followed up at all.

Gin said she had information that pointed to scum being in the PT. She never said what that information was. Titus then says there's a strongman. There's no way she could have known that Ginngie was also a protective role. That's a town claim.

That's me remembering that Bulba v Math could be an SvS btw.

Guys, I have a guilty.

Vote TheWayItEnds

Creature is also probably scum for not protecting Gin. However, TWIE used an action last night from the dark PT, so they were the ones who performed the kill.

nancy, we're gonna sheep this eventually. Sorry!

Dont want to rush the day yet though!

I have yet to read the light. And I cant tic tac toe for nancy. And Titus could still be scum, but if the kill came from the dark there probably is no scum in the light, right?

Bulba, why did you check TWIE?

[79 CE]

I was gonna vote with you but that legolas gift is obnoxious af

What's wrong with a bow?

- Ari

(Both of these are)

[79 CE]

Ari, I like you but you're full of shit

How am I full of shit?

What in my posts was full if shit???

- Ari

[79 CE]

Bulba, why did you check TWIE?

I was asked to, so I did. I also was trying to figure out why Cirno was moved, so I didn't think it'd hurt. All of this is in the Light PT. We coordinated our actions there.

Nice!
This furthers my theory that both scum are in the dark!
Awesome!

Your stance has been changing eratically.

Yeah, as new info comes about and the game bevomes more manageable!
It is sized well in players and activity for me now, so I am playing an active role! I am reading and learning what I missed and what is happening, which all effect my reads and thoughts! As well playing with nancy makes me consider what she gas to say more than most, causing me to think and rethink things.

Why does this strike you as odd, and is it odd in a scummy way?

[79 CE]

No, it's just odd in a disappointing way.

Oh

[79 CE]

why cant i send you messages from dark?

wow i dunno titus.

thats really fucking hard.

Then what action did you take and how?

- Ari

[79 CE]

Tic-tac-toe Aronis v nancy ROUND ONE
	X
	O	X

[79 CE]

Nancy is terrible at tic-tac-toe

[79 CE]

...how do you even lose tic tac toe at this point in your life.

like thats embarrassing.

I haven't played tic tac toe since I was like 12!!!!!!!!!!!

[79 CE]

you still like literally should ever lose.

why even play a game where no one wins.

Uhhhhhhh you realize we're playing mafia, right?

[79 CE]

[79 CE]

Re tomorrow: If QR gets moved to Dark we lynch her, if she stays in Light we get a result on Titus.

[79 CE]

Okay I'm bored. VOTE: TWIE

[79 CE]

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Tic-tac-toe Aronis v nancy ROUND ONE
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[79 CE]

TWIE is flipping scum atleast, right?

you sound unconfident
as if you know something else

NO.

HOLY FUCK NO.

CREATURE IS TOWN.

WOWWOWOWOWOW

CREATURE IS

TOWN

TOWN

TOWN

TOWN