The Sexy Brutale Mafia (OVER)

[Almost50]

MariaR claiming cop and DrumBeats claiming VT were the most important things

The rest was a frantic attempt to understand the modkill mechanic and reach a compromise lynch on a player that wouldn't die within a day

So what is this thing about Wheme having a Doc protection ability that doesn't even stop kills????

[Almost50]

I Stop mod kills

Hmmm. This is absurd I can actually see dram using it, AND I don't think anyone would fake claim it. You get a pass.

[Almost50]

random's presence is games is random.

[Almost50]

There will be a votecount here

but when

One can only hope it will happen sometime before I turn 50

[Almost50]

VOTE: ActionDan

This seems like a good place to start I haven't seen anything at all that I like from this guy.

Hold on a sec. I thought you claimed an investigation result at the start of the day!!!!!!!

[Almost50]

Oh, OK. NVM. Somehow my mind skipped it was a TOWN result and only got the "Maria is a TRP" part stuck, so I was wondering why you were voting based on such weak reasoning.

But anyway, if you can provide a refined elaborate case I can certainly sheep a confirmed townie.

[Almost50]

Oh, OK. NVM. Somehow my mind skipped it was a TOWN result and only got the "Maria is a TRP" part stuck, so I was wondering why you were voting based on such weak reasoning.

But anyway, if you can provide a refined elaborate case I can certainly sheep a confirmed townie.

I'm not confirmed town I could be fake. EP is town though unless you think we're partners

Hmmm... should I be alarmed? Cuz I have a town lean on you, but you seem to not want me to!

Either way, could you please explain the case against AD? Thanks in advance.

[Almost50]

So we all know what you think about my alignment, but what do you think about others'? Do you agree that DrumBeats is scum with me, and who is your top townread?

no

drum, maria, ep, and wisdom is my town block right now

I'd add Wheme & Katsuki too.

@ActionDan: What makes you think I hadn't red already. It's true that I didn't write down notes, but I do have reads. I just want to see how Maria is forming her read on you.

[Almost50]

wheme i get but why katsuki?

Something about the way he entered the game felt town. Something about his bad pushes on Maria/Drum but not EP spell bad town. I also had MISTAKINGLY taken his 601 for a Tracker/Follower crumb om first skim, but a reread tells me it probably isn't.

P.S. As I said, I have not been taking note, so I form reads independently. Had I been writing down remarks I would have realized Drum & Katsuki could not be both Town if that was a PR soft. My bad.

[Almost50]

I have no intention of voting Drum

@mod: i would like to rent a room

You don't happen to have a "love object" you want to be with in that room, do you?

[Almost50]

this was a joke on the last VC

since i was being lazy

Back in the day, Stasi would've shot you for not answering the question

[Almost50]

Since nobody's willing to Random Midget this one.

VOTE: gerryoat

BEAT THAT DRUM.

But why? gerry didn't even read the opening post, so he's probably town

[Almost50]

~a50~

I'm not confirmed town I could be fake.

This kind of stuff is normally what I'm jumping all over but I do believe that this is Maria's town mindset. Although I'll admit that it's not the sort of meta that comes across as reliable. And I do see that A50 jumps on it later in 678, he says that he townleans Maria but is alarmed. which struck me as odd, because I see no reason to be alarmed this early in the game. Maria's a cop, her alignment will very likely become clear eventually.

Also, the Katsuki townread to me screams fake. I don't see any aspect of the reasoning as legitimate, and I'm willing to vote there--
VOTE: Almost50

I know I'm going off on my own, but this vote is still fluid, and I do have more thoughts on A50 that I'll hold on to for a bit. so I'd like to make it known that I'm quite willing to compromise on a gerryoat wagon, or if it does come that much down to the wire, on a drum wagon as well, although that will be for the express purpose of achieving a lynch.

Man, that's the most compelling case I've seen so far in this game. I'm gonna sheep the conf!townie her.

VOTE: almost50

[Almost50]

@Drum: It's an inside joke between me and gerry.

@Wisdom: Out of all people EP decided I was most suspicious to him for being me. *Sigh*

[Almost50]

@Wisdom: Out of all people EP decided I was most suspicious to him for being me. *Sigh*

Why are you reacting this way? I pushed you in what might be the most non-aggressive way possible.

And I didn't call your push aggressive. It's just that some things never change (or let's say they are too hard to change) and one is you SRing me for my playstyle everytime we play together. I mean, ABR changed. Math seems to have dropped their tunnel on me each time we meet. So maybe -given more time and more games- you will learn that my playstyle isn't really AI as it's just the real me and the role/alignment have no bearing on it.

Anyway, you're conf!Town so I can't really claim (nor do I intend to) that you're setting me up. Still, your vote is on the wrong person and Wheme's vote screams all kinds of opportunistic.

[Almost50]

FTR: The last time someone claimed something regarding a game mechanic stopping role it turned out that they were actually the source.

Let me elaborate: I was in a game recently (modded by Belisarius) and Scum!Chimchar claimed a poison Doctor. He flipped Mafia Poisoner.

So, if you want to know the source of all the mod-kills and strange resurrections I suggest you lynch WhemeStar.

I wpn't be voting Drum unless we have an explicit guilty on him. Stuff like "role related info tell me x" don't fly here, unless we are dealing with TWO identical scum roles (which necessitates it to be multi-ball, which I have no reason to believe it is).

[Almost50]

I also think that if you find whemestar so scummy you should be voting him instead of yourself.

Without much support that'd be a vanity wagon. While survival is (and should be) a Townie's goal as much as it is a a scumster's goal, solving the mystery is also a goal (and even has a higher priority). The CONFIRMED Townie thinks I'm getting in his way and can't classify me or get a read on me, so the best thing for me to do is eliminate myself and give you your full vision.

Listen: Basically my vote is attached to yours now. You move on to WhemeStar and I'll follow. You vote whomever you like and I'll vote them too (Unless Maria comes up with a better target).

[Almost50]

Listen: Basically my vote is attached to yours now. You move on to WhemeStar and I'll follow. You vote whomever you like and I'll vote them too (Unless Maria comes up with a better target).

hopefully Maria does come up with a better target, my dude
sometimes I think my scumhunting is worse than the average scum bussing.

in any case, I'll be semi-VLA until Tuesday-ish.
Mainly phone access.

I'm not Maria, but Gerryoat is a better target

Well, we.. >I< have a few problems here:

1- I don't see what's scummy about gerry.
2- I haven't played with YOU before to decide on your play either.
3- Your recommendation is noted, but it's coming from the guy with the largest wagon. hardly a reason to trust their read when I have neither a read nor a clue about their play.

Point #1 can be negated by Maria/EP voting gerry.
Point #2 is semi-negated by EP's read on you (thus I'm not voting you).
Point #3 still stands and I see no magical solution to go around it. So, unless we have a investigation result that says you're innocent I can't even be sure you do scum read gerry, and even if we do then I can't decide whether your read is sheepable.

[Almost50]

@Hiraki: In here

Spoiler: Ali

[Almost50]

VOTE: WhemeStar

No Drum to beat anymore, guys. Let's wish on a star instead.

[Almost50]

Wheme is correct, and it makes me think he's town. I mean, it would've been easy for him to join my wagon and follow Hiraki's norion of me playing differently, but he actually saw through my smoke screen and wasn't as opportunistic as I would have expected scum!him to be.

WhemeStar

@Hiraki: I do NOT have a "distinct" way of playing a certain alignment, but I do have a different way of playing. Period. That is to say you can't really meta me (only 2-3 players can, because once I'm told I do this or that as either alignment I try to do it as either alignment or drop it altogether.. whatever that "this or that" might be).

*Clears throat* That being said, you asked me to straight up tell you my alignment. Yes? I'm 100% Town in this game. ANY investigative can tell you that. Just about any of them.

@Maria: I'd hate to invite you to check me, because it opens the door for much manipulation, so .. just do what feels right for you.

And now I'm at a loss. I don't know who scum are and thus don't know where to vote. I think I'm going to go see who gets "killed for a day" and try to find me a pattern (I sure hope it's not completely random). Maybe then a bulp will be lightened in my head.

[Almost50]

Geez!

That was supposed to be UNVOTE. uV

UNVOTE: WhemeStar

[Almost50]

Ok.. I can't find a "pattern" per se, but worthy of note that none of {Katsuki, Randomidget, Hiraki, Superb Subtlety, SleepyKrew} has ever had an accident, and 2 of them (Hiraki, Superb Subtlety) were on the Vifam lynch.

Desperado, frog & gerrygoat have had TWO accidents each.

With 9 Alive, Scum probably have the majority already .. UNLESS ... the scum are only 4 and are setting one up for a later mislynch. That or the accidents are being fixed by a 3rd party, in which case those 5 are not necessarily all suspects, but one IS that 3rd party behind the accidents.

Can someone add anything or give some feedback (whether it's positive or negative.. just help me figure this out)

[Almost50]

Still on the middle of it, but random (Ooba) voring pattern hardly fits with him being on a scum team.

Hiraki + Katsuki though fit together like hand in glove. Stay tuned.

[Almost50]

By now my top suspect for being a group Scum is Hiraki. Second Top suspect is Katsuki. Random only fits as self-aligned, while SleepyKrew/Superb Subtlety could go either way (depending on how the other 3 flip).

My lynch pool is in Hiraki/Katsuki/random

VOTE: Katsuki

He spent the first half on day one mot voting, then he joined the Drums wagon late (6th voter). He stayed on Drums until the wagon totally vanished and he was the only voter, so he switched to Maria (also 6th voter). Somehow he found his way back to Drums as first voter while the wagon rebuilt but then Vifam got lynched instead.

Today he voted on Drum again until Drum vanished. I can't say much about today, but the timing of his votes on both Drum and Maria yesterday is very suspicious. He seemed like he just wanted a lynch to go through regardless.

[Almost50]

I urge Maria/Wheme/Wisdom to hammer before the next VC. 2 of us will vanish next and it will be impossible to get a lunch on scum.

[Almost50]

VOTE: randomidget

[Almost50]

VOTE: Drum

[Almost50]

I want to know why A50 voted random more than anything

Check my posts from yesterday. I had him PoE'd as a possible 3P who is responsible for all this madness.

[Almost50]

A50 Welcome to my Deahtunnel
N2 I preformed a Roleblocking action on Maria you fuckers

You're confirmed Scum, so do what you can.

[Almost50]

Good job scum

Not really, but I feel you. It's them stupid townies who voted you after I explained you can't be scum because you got killed yesterday. Nobody reads, nobody listens so I might as well act like a moron myself out of courtesy to everyone else (everyone that is TOWN that is). And YES, that's a confession I had you in my town pile, but use was it to wait anyway? You were put @L-1 at light speed for nothing. We would've either waited for scum to play like they had to after wasting 48-72 more hours OR we would have waited until the killings of D3 started and then they'd get their lynch anyway, only 10 real days from now. So, I saved you and myself the agony. They can lynch me next for it for all I care. Next time, if you don't want someone lynched DO NOT PUT THEM @L-1.

[Almost50]

Put yourself in my position.
If you were a jailkeeper
and you were skeptical about a cop claim
what would you do?

Fine. So, normal people would go for a Maria lynch tomorrow. Right??

I bet the players on this site though would do anything but. Suggestions would range from lynching your slot to verify your claim to lynching me for that hammer, and I bet someone will still tunnel someone else that's not you/me because their guts tells them they're scum and they don't feel right about lynching between you/me/Maria. That's the way it goes, buddy.

[Almost50]

then MariaR can't be scum, but you can be. Clarify where you got this from?

1- My predecessor did get modkilled on D1. I replaced in during that period (just before the day had ended) and I couldn't post.

2- Yes, Maria did get modkilled. Sleepy Krew didn't though. They were in my 5-person lynch pool since yesterday. We already lycnhed one and they flipped Town and I voted another at the break of day only to have everyone ganging up on Drums for no reason.

3- You do sound like you're being reasonable, so I will elaborate: the Jailer claim is VERY suspect to me. I'm not even sure Maria fake claims Cop as Scum, but I won't put it beyond her. However, if I was a Jailer I would have never even considered jailing a claimed Cop to say the least. Furthermore, Sleepy Krew is one of the slots that never got modkilled. I'd vote them tomorrow if I'm alive and if there's a wagon on them. Otherwise I'd go for random still (another bslot that has not been modkilled).

In my mind, the modkilling isn't being don randomly and is not really being done by the mod. I could be wrong, but I'm assuming there's a role in-play that is causing all this. Maybe we should try lynching dramonic and see what happens?

[Almost50]

I'm on, but I will wait the storm out and see what it looks like when the air is clear

[Almost50]

Votecount 16: Was it you?

Vifam (5): ActionDan, Drumbeats, Hiraki, Superb Subtlety, ErrantParabola
DrumBeats (3): Katsuki, Randomidget, SleepyKrew
Hiraki (1): Vifam

Not Voting:

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.
Deadline is in (expired on 2017-07-07 00:00:00)!

This was the day 1 wagon.

I was actually convinced by that fakeclaim until I isod Dramonic. (Alisae wasn't). EP didn't get modkilled day 1. You can tell because he's on the lynchwagon. EP was MariaR's day 2 result. Quality bullshittery, MariaR, but your story doesn't check out.

-jj

VOTE: Maria

[Almost50]

When I get modkilled I get all my checkss it doesn't matter if ep is alive

And you left that out of your previous declaration because .. ??

[Almost50]

Your weakness is if you get midkilled the limitation is lifted??

[Almost50]

You know what? I'd rather you win as scum than I lynch you as town.

VOTE: Almost

Get me out of this pool of madness.

P-edit: So how the hell did you gtet one on D2 when you were alive at day end???

[Almost50]

Fine! Whatever.

VOTE: frog

[Almost50]

No town
ever
ever
ever
EVER
Self-Votes in a potential MyLo
so this is also a scumclaim.

Mark it down as the first time you see it. I already recall Narna doing it in a confirmed 4-person MyLo in Wake's Massive Role Madness to hand the win to Elyse, which is in no way an attempt to excuse or justify my jerk move, but I'm just saying.

[Almost50]

If you wanna lynch me go for it but if you wanna lynch scum vote frog

No town
ever says this
in a potential MyLo.

Mark this one down too as the first time you see it happen, because I definitely would.

[Almost50]

Fine! Whatever.

VOTE: frog

The wagon on Frog right now
is like
all scum.

I agree, So what can you do about it? I think the easiest and fastest way to fix that is for you to vote him too. It won't be "all scum" then. Wait! Would it??

[Almost50]

Why is frog scum?

um Random
the Frog wagon has all scum on it.

You're a moron Alisae ty

Sorry I caught you I guess...

In a modern civilized country you could be tried for such behaviour under the sexual harassment code. Just warning you, mein freund. You could be both hailed and fined big time for the unwarranted catching (or even attempt to) of a female against her own wish/will.

[Almost50]

Sub me out

Good move. I guess I should be trying this sometime. Not this time around though. It'd be impolite (to put it mildly) for me to replace out after I specifically PM'd dram to express an interest in subbing into the game he was modding.

[Almost50]

jesus christ shut up

You want to shut up JESUS CHRIST?? You blasphemous infidel kafir (what other words can I use her? If you think of a proper term, be my guest)

[Almost50]

Are we settled on anything at all? Sorry for my low drive over the past 48 hours. Just not in a good mood, but I will certainly fulfill my duties

[Almost50]

marquis should be scum based on the game

I like random's claim

And yeah, it probably means maria is town

VOTE: almost

You -OF ALL- should appreciate my previous post. Why the fuck are you voting me when I've just been confirmed not the SK (as per ransom's claim) and when you had already thought I was town by play when I did give a shit?

Emotionally I'm not exactly stable and me posting right now could piss a lot of ppl off, as well as blind my own vision.

A;so, you just acknowledged Maria is Town, so how come I unvoted her when I had the chance to push more based on her defense being too ate? Instead I said I prefer to let her win as scum than lynch her as town. What was my scum motive to lay off her when the pressure on her was at it's peak??

[Almost50]

tbh
from the way you interacted with me in that open where I was hydraing with Frog and Trans and in this game
I felt like you hated me or something

Oh, man! I'm sorry if it came off like that. I really don't hate you, Ali. In fact, I consider you a friend. You don't see me ever avoiding you, do you? I mean, I join games that you're in and I engage you whenever possible. I -once again- sincerely apologize if I sounded too aggressive or hostile to you. Also, keep in mind that I sometimes make friendly sarcastic comments that may sound snarky if you don't know me well.

Anyway, my lynch pool has now shrunk to just two: Hiraki & Sleepy, and given that my theory of "scum must be in those who never got mod-killed" has fallen apart I can't even justify my will to lynch these two beyond "gut".

Also, even if both are scum I must've TR'd a scumster (yeah. As if THAT is news to anyone, including myself).

I am now voting Frog with Maria (whom I had said I'd follow or EP before I flipped on her based on the issue of you Jailing her, then came around and TR'd her again). I'm willing to follow you too since I'm (a) clueless, and (b) have been proven wrong already.

Fortunately, this is the only game I'm currently playing in, so I will take a deep breath.. try to get it together and try to be of some use, then I'm taking a short break to catch my breath and reassess my play and stuff.

[Almost50]

UNVOTE:

I want to be the hammerer for once

[Almost50]

VOTE: grog

@Wis/Random: You can do that tomorrow, but only if you're both scum. I do suspect Wisdom by now, but I guess it's too late to build a case.

[Almost50]

VOTE: Frog

[Almost50]

VOTE: wisdom
He is the marquis

VOTE: Wisdom

[Almost50]

I have no idea what's going on, so I'm going to speculate on possibilities:

1- Wisdom is The Marquis, a 3P SK. Random is the Cop assigned to find him. Now why wasn't Random killed/blocked after he had claimed his role and target?

2- Wisdom is NOR The Marquis, which leads to more speculation:

2-a- Random is The Marquis and he's going all out attack. That doesn't compute if he is 3P though as he will be lynched tomorrow anyway.

2-b- Random is The Marquis but he is actually GROUP SCUM not 3P, in which case it makes sense for him to push for one more mislynch in LyLo/MyLo

3-b- Random IS a Cop, but the Scum have a Flavour Cop and know who the Marquis is already (OR The Marquis is one of them, but that's less likely). They also have a redirector who -knowing what Random is looking for) decided to redirect him to that specific player, returning a fake guilty on Wisdom, and they get to kill The Marquis tonight to end the game.

UNVOTE:

Discussion is welcome. Additional propositions are welcome. Ridiculous "I'm eight and you're wrong" campaigns are NOT! Thank you.

Oh, and btw: I'm Redd Rockridge – an honored guest. My PM mentions my brother Clay, but I'm not sure whether he is in the game (the PM wording doesn't make that clear enough), He is the "prizefighter" of the family (I guess that means he is sexier than me?) but I'm incredibly much stronger physically. Unfortunately it appears I'm not too bright though, so no special abilities.

[Almost50]

so basically vanilla guest
honored guest is why youre here, not your role; its in mine too

The PM does not have the word "vanilla" in it. Instead, "honored guest" is listed under "passive abilities". Dram made sure the PM wording are confusing enough. I don't even know what honored gust has to do with abilities, passive or otherwise but under "actions" he explicitly tells me I have none despite my strength bc this is a puzzle of the mind.

[Almost50]

No honoured guests have beeen purged

Again: My slot HAS been purged and I replaced Pisskop while he was being "eaten by a giant spider" on N1.

[Almost50]

Interesting! The problem here is I can't decide if Wisdom is scum, Hiraki is, or BOTH are and they got confused as to which fake claim each should use. (It happens, you know. The mod gives them their fake claims in their PT not in their PMs, and they both go using the same one unaware the other did/will use it.)

So, either Hiraki is scum WITH Wisdom and didn't read the thread, or Wisdom made his fake claim up (didn't use the mod provided one) and it backfired as he picked an existing flavour.

Either way I'm back to suspecting Wisdom heavily, but there's also the chance HIRAKI is scum and he IS the redirector, so he is making everything he can to ensure the Wisdom lynch goes through.

OK. I'm legit confused and don't know which one to vote. I'm willing to sheep Superb Subtlety on this one.

[Almost50]

I think SleepyKrew is also town, but what do I really know? I can't decide on Maria either, but faking a Cop is always risky, plus it doesn't make much sense to only have Random as the sole Cop when he is in search of only one slot.

Random is very likely Town now because why would he fake a guilty on Wisdom and then have Hiraki CC the flavour? Are they trying to stick the flavour of the Marquis on Wisdom?? Why pick Wisdom of all to mislynch for their victory? I -for example- am always an easier push than Wisdom. Faking a guilty on Maria would have went through smoothly. Desperado, gerry and Wheme were all easier targets to lynch IMHO.

So, in terms of reads Superb Subtly is the only slot I'm 100% sure of being Town (aside from myself, of course). Random comes close but not quite and then SleepyKrew.

The lynch should be between Wisdom/Hiraki regardless, but I don't know about scum deliberately CCing their p. Either way, it could be that or could be what I said (in my last game Persivul did provide the fake claims in the scum PT without even telling each scumster to stick to one precise claim, so if that was the case with dram here it could easily have resulted in 2 scumsters using the same fake claim).

P-edit: Great! We are thinking of the same things, but feeling differently about how likely they are.

To counter Wisdom's point (just playing devil's advocate here): You claimed first. It's not YOUR fault your partner didn't read the thread before he claimed.

But what if Random is not really after the Marquis? What if he is a Scum Flavour Cop and The Marquis is actually not in the game (and scum know it because the mod had told them so)? That's the only way it makes sense for Random to be scum with Hiraki, because they planned it already for Random to claim that fake guilty and for Hiraki to CC the flavour.

Also, what made me uneasy was that Hiraki said he was ok getting mislynched tomorrow after Wisdom is lynched today. Why would Hiraki think we would lynch him if Wisdom flips NOT Trinity? It was easy for him to say he skimmed and didn't really pay attention to what each playr's flavor claim was (hell, I didn't pay attention to that. I never played the game and don't know the characters, so someone could've claimed to be "Betty Boop" and it would've went unnoticed by me. Only if someone claimed Clay could have got my attention because that's my brother and his name is in my PM).
@Ali: I'm all ears (or rather EYES) Talk to me. I wish I had a dayvig shot that only worked in twilight. THAT would've been awesome in this precise situation. (Don't you think so, Wisdom?)

[Almost50]

I'm waiting for something "new" to comment on. I'm not sure I have anything to add at this point.

[Almost50]

Not Chara replaces MariaR

That's the best news ever. If this slot is Town I should be able to tell. WELCOME, Chara *Hugs*

[Almost50]

I am at a loss.. a dilemma!

Logic dictates we lynch Hiraki because that's where I see the highest probability of flipping scum based on what we've seen today.

HOWEVER; my gut says lynch Wisdom. I'm not sure why exactly, but I sense manipulation here and simply don't fully trust him. Also, he's being too calm for the Wisdom I know.

It makes sense to have Clay in the game. Why else would he be mentioned in our PMs? And with Chara unCC'd I'm inclined to believe them. Also, I don't see scum ever saying the mod made a consistent error.

[Almost50]

Not Chara replaces MariaR

That's the best news ever. If this slot is Town I should be able to tell. WELCOME, Chara *Hugs*

<3
hello Almost! i was hoping you would give me a rundown.
it doesn't matter, i'm reading up right now.

I'm as clueless as anyone. I can't even figure out how the modkills mechanic works (why these particular players on these particular times)

[Almost50]

Ya know what Almost
I'ma leave reading NC to you.

VOTE: Hiraki
I don't see a situation where this is NOT scum.

Chara's very likely Town. That "mod made an error" thing doesn't come naturally from scum!NC. I mean, don't get me wrong.. Chara IS capable as a scumster, but this is not how their manipulation works.

As for Hiraki, as I said if I was to rely on my mind ONLY that's where I should be voting. I just find it weird he claimed an already existing flavour and then is doubling down on it, and I can't find a proper explanation for that move.

If Scum were given fake claims then how the hell would dram give someone an existing flavour as a fake claim? If he improvised, it's still super weird he came up with the exact character that would be claimed a few posts before his.

Now let me try and look at it the other way: Why would Wisdom improvise a fake claim to begin with? Answer: dram did NOT provide fake claims (and he didn't in Soccer Spirits, btw). <<And I FINALLY found why I am not trusting Wisdom.

Now I need Alisae to talk to me about this possibility. Also, @Chara: I don't see how Sleepy Krew could be scum when the NK was blocked. Are you suggesting they skipped the NK deliberately?

[Almost50]

i didn't get a chance to finish my catchup tonight, but could everyone give me their preferred investigate targets and why while they wait on that? i'll be quick with finishing tomorrow, i'm sleeping now. i know the deadline before modkills is tight.
Almost: those are my reads from page 20 and before. i don't know about any blocked nightkills yet. :>

I'd say investigate WISDOM, but then with random already there to look specifically for The Marquis it might still be a mod-trick.

And if I say investigate Hiraki then we can't lynch him .. unless -of course- he's the one to get mod-killed first in which case it would be optimal to investigate him.

[Almost50]

@Alisae: viewtopic.php?f=3&t=65649

[Almost50]

And now I think I'm TRing random based on the style and language he's using in his recent posts. random is another player I find difficult to read more often than not, but his posts here feel "care-free" in the sense that it's not manipulative or overly suggestive of one thing over the other.

I can't say anything about the result he got though. I suspect there IS some mod-trick somewhere.

Oh, and @Alisae: 3 scum is "what I'm hoping for". Otherwise it IS MyLo.

Now another thought/mind tickler: How many scums did we lynch thus far? NONE.

Now, how many players in this game do we know who can lead their scum team to endgame unscathed? I mean, even of those NOT in this game I'd say Cerb has had to offer some scapegoats in the past. I won't speak of RC who even LOVES to bus for the fun of it. Who else?

Personally I'm only aware of one player in this game who can do that. Guess who that might be.

[Almost50]

Oh, also: I fear the worst. The Town does not have control over the mod-kills. What IF we are in MyLo? What if those who will get mid-killed are town? This means we cannot lynch scum today as it would become mechanically impossible with 4-4 (unless there's a scumster with hated modifier that still works in MyLo), so let's weigh our options: investigative result vs a lynch on scum. My best guess is we should NO LYNCH if we are using that investigation today.

[Almost50]

are we really putting a cop invest above having an extra mislynch in our pockets with this many scum left?

is there something i'm misunderstanding about the game mechanics.
do we lose out on something by waiting for modkills? i thought there was revival. does lynching before modkills start stop one player from getting killed at night?

None of the above. random could be Town and got redirected or he could be Town and his result is true. He could be scum and faking a result. That's as far as random goes, but the question is which is more likely.

Same for Wisdom/Hiraki. They could both be scum together with Hiraki screwing it up, or one could be Town and one scum, or one scum and one SK (not sure is it's really a Serial Killer though, so just put it up as anti-Town 3P). There's very very little chance they're both Town too, but that can be neglected due to how dismal the probability is.

Also random made a good point 2 posts later. The lack on NKs could be related to the time of the day lynch.

[Almost50]

I'm thinking of taking a chance and putting Hiraki @L-1 but if someone hammers and then it's game over I'll be the one who takes all the blame, so I'm not sure if I should.

[Almost50]

Screw it! It won't be the first time I lose nor will it be the 1st time I get blamed for it.

VOTE: Hiraki

I think it better to lynch before the mod-kills start because:

a) I'm sure the mod-kills will affect the voting balance (and NO, Wisdom. The worst thing that could happen is Scum gaining majority thus a mislynch occurring. The mod-kills don't only happen once, you know. If we can't decide on a lynch with 4-4 we'd be down to 4-2 with the following VC, and this is one more "manipulative" sign from you.)

In fact..

VOTE: Wisdom

I will leave the post intact doe everyone to know how I got to this (besides, I don't feel like retyping everything all over again)

[Almost50]

i feel like random slipped information about the kills here
Indeed, the nights we lynched before the modkills there were no kills

And the nights that there were kills they were all in the modkilled

I think scum can only kill in the modkilled, just like chara can only investigate there

And how likely -do you think- is he to "slip that info" if he was scum? If it went unnoticed by everyone else why would Scum!Random bring it up?

[Almost50]

IF Hiraki flips Town, and IF there is a tomorrow, my lynch pool would be in SleepyKrew/Not Chara/Desperado. You don't lynch who the mafia left you to lynch. Both Wisdom & random had votes on them, as well as Hiraki, and the former two got mod-killed leaving Hiraki as the sole existing wagon at the time, and nobody too a pause to think why?

If Hiraki flips scum though then the mod-kills are not controlled by the scum team, but I very much doubt it. I think it was Wisdom alongside the that last 3 voters and when they could not get the (mis)lynch through they opted to remove one townie and the one (of them) who was competing with it. The (mis)lynch already had 2 votes on it so them 3 piling up to finish it was easy enough.

[Almost50]

well, this happened

so yeah, im the marquis, 3p

who controls the order of kills

i was pretty creative with my orderings but nobody figured them out

What does the bolded mean? Are you some kind of gatekeeper? Or do you order someone else to kill?

[Almost50]

i send a list of names at night, first two die 7 days after daystart and then two every 24 hours

My wincon is to eliminate everyone

And you precisely submitted your own name along with random the night before he claimed you are the Marquis?? Why would you keep random from getting lynched when he already said he was looking for the Marquis?

[Almost50]

i send a list of names at night, first two die 7 days after daystart and then two every 24 hours

My wincon is to eliminate everyone

And you precisely submitted your own name along with random the night before he claimed you are the Marquis?? Why would you keep random from getting lynched when he already said he was looking for the Marquis?

Because i wanted scum to kill him

Seriously!

My thinking was that random was a scum flavor cop with how it looked like he slipped the mechanic, guess not

that leaves scum in desp, skrew, wheme

So.. you thought he was a SCUM flavor cop, but you wanted SCUM to kill him. That sure makes every sense in the world to me ... NOT! And even if you weren't sure you would not have wanted him dead because him flipping Town would expose you.

So here's what I think: You are still GROUP SCUM, not 3P, and you're trying to set yourself aside so you won't get lynched today and -hopefully- get a mislynch through that would get your team a step closer to winning still. I do agree that there might be scum in the trio, but I think it might be only ONE of them plus yourself and -the late- Hiraki, so 2-1 chance we mislynch today. Just my own thoughts though.

Tell me something: How come both you and Hiraki used the same fake claim? I don't think that was a coincidence at all. I still think it was either dram providing fake claims at your request IN THE PT (thus not being specifis as to whom should use which) or you coming up with one on your own and Hiraki using it without realizing you already did in either case. You being 3P and him group scum with no communication between the two of you yet both using the exact same flavour with the exact same details doesn't really sound convincing to me and your answer up there doesn't make much sense to me either.

VOTE: Wisdom

[Almost50]

Then explain how Hiraki came up with the same fake claim. Also explain how Wisdom wanted the "scum" flavour cop dead yet wanted SCUM to kill him, because I fail to wrap my head around this one too.

P-edit: OK, that takes care of point b#2, but the flavour bit still is weird. Can we -at least- wait for Chara to see if they got a result on Wis? I mean, if random was looking for 3P/GF then Chara would most probably get an inno on Wisdom if they checked him. If they got a guilty though then Wisdom is 100% neither and is just group scum (yes, I know how weird I sound here, but you know me well enough to know this is my norm)

[Almost50]

I used the fakeclaim dram gave me

either hiraki used the same on purpose to get me lynched or the mod screwed up and gave scum the same fakeclaim

Did he give it to you on request or was in your PM all along?

[Almost50]

@Wisdom: That's the problem. In my experience dram doesn't give fake claims readily, but even assuming he did here then he must've given the scum fake claims too, and I don't see how any mod would give the same fake falvour to two different players. let alone on two different factions.

@Ali: Come on, dude. I mean what have I said or done that made you second guess your read on me? Now I understand that I -as Town- come off a bit scummy (sometimes on purpose and sometimes just because of my playstyle) but even that I'm not doing here.

[Almost50]

NC+SS are doing good. Yes, we need to wait for the mod-kills this time, and Wheme should target gerry. If gerry doesn't die and Desperado does we get a result there (needless to say NC needs to be protected tonight so they can tell us the result).

In the meantime, if Wheme is successful in protecting gerry we lynch Wisdom. Of not then Wheme eats rope. Desperado will be dealt with tomorrow according to the result NC gets on him. Assuming an inno on Desp SK eats rope (but I'm not comfortable with this one). I'm not sure why ferry is almost conf!Town but that could be reevaluated only if both Wheme and Desp are cleared and SK is flipped, so hopefully gerry is Town and the game will end before we come to that.

[Almost50]

This also puts to test the remote possibility of SS actually managing to block Wisdom last night, although I'm leaning towards it being a mechanic rather than action, but we got nothing to lose from waiting

[Almost50]

I don't like you recent wis push it's making me paranoid and and and waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah ;~;

You don't like my push on self-confessed scum??

Here, let me help you:

Brian Skies,

a Patron and Vanilla Townie

, purged from the timeline Night 1
Kise,

a Patron and Vanilla Townie

, purged from the timeline Night 1
Vedith,

a Patron and Vanilla Townie

, killed Night 1

Do you realize the first 2 kills on N1 were of Wisdom doing? By Wisdon's own words scum can only kill from those who for mod-killed, which maybe the case but ....

ActionDan

, Tequila Belle the Vigilante Guest,

purged from the timeline Night 2
ErrantParabola

, Willow Blue the Death Neighbor Guest

, purged from the timeline Night 2

Both these two were modkilled during D2, so does this mean scum had a double kill on N2? Even if that was true then explain the 1st 2 deaths on N1 which could not have come from the group scum faction.

The following 2 days we quicklynched and there were no NKs, so Wisdom maybe telling the truth but still he had to have killed the 1st two on N1, and he was in favour of waiting for the mod-kills yesterday (quick reminder: I was the one who hammered om both D3/D4, and although both lynches unfortunately landed on Town, why would scum ever QUICK hammer before they have the modkills and thus pass on their NK altogether??)

Last night random got killed because you all waited for the investigation, and yet the one that was targeted for that investigation didn't get modkilled, and WISDOM DIDN'T SAY A WORD ABOUT IT

Now if Scum can only kill from those who get modkilled then by lynching Wisdom the killing STOPS because there will be no more modkills during the day to begin with. It becomes a nightless game (and especially so with random already dead).

Now you tell me again why my push on Wis makes you uneasy.

[Almost50]

In fact, here's a thought: Wisdom is NOT 3P. He has the group scum role that enables them to kill. That's why he wasn't afraid of submitting his own name in the 1st 2 to die yesterday. It's probably Wis + Desp/Wheme alive and Hiraki WHO FUCKED UP BY USING THE SAME FAKE CLAIM WISDOM ALREADY HAD USED, and when that happened there was no going back and they had to go against each other.

So, get a grip and lynch Wisdom today and we decide between Desp & Wheme tomorrow.

[Almost50]

OK.. hold on everyone.. I', probably solving this puzzle right now .. give me a few minutes

[Almost50]

My bad. I only ISO'd dra,. I'll now do a double ISO of him and Amdrius

[Almost50]

OK, I made the mistake of thinking Kise & Brian didn't get killed on D1 bc I only ISO'd dram (I wasn't in the game on D1, so thought Andrius stepped in only on D4).

Anyway, now that I included Andrius in my ISO it turns out that Wisdom indeed is responsible for all the killings, and this is how it goes:

He submits a list each night in an order of his choosing. The kills start after 7 real days of each day going 2 at a time every 24 hours (my local timing shows it happening around 6 am everyday, but I'm on GMT+2, so just check to verify those kills occurred at almost a specific fixed time of your own normal day)

Now on odd days (D1/D3/D5 ..etc) the NKs fall on #2, #5, #8 .. etc of the ordered list Wisdom submitted, while on even days (D2/D4/D6) they occur to those who are numbered 1, 4, 7 .. etc (#1 on even days, #2 on odd days, then add 3 for the next one to die)

Naturally the kills get reduced over time as the list grows shorter and the day also ends faster. This probably means our JK is almost useless (they could not prevent kills and could not stop Maria/NC investigations, so the only role I known of they could've stopped was random's which even makes it a negative utility).

So lynching Wisdom today AND BEFORE THE MODKILLS IS A MUST. Otherwise, gerry will be dead tonight and there's no way to stop it UNLESS Wheme can protect gerry from being modkilled today.

Desp is the most likely other scum alive now. gerry is Town and Wheme is most likely town too, and Wis trying to make it look like Desp looks better for hammering Hiraki after they had already got their kill and shading Wjeme instead is very condemning IMHO.

Hold on for part 2 in a second (been composing 2 posts simultaneously as one is with quotes)

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And this is the post Wisdom attacked random for. I've even highlighted what random said at the bottom line which was 100% correct although not exactly for the reason we thought it was. It was bc no NK would have occured last night either if we followed random

again, the fact you "think" im a scumflip when you supposedly have a result is not going to do you any favors

l2p scum

a) redirects
b) im not sure how likely scum hiraki is

and we should try to push it through pre modkills

also nice try but we're waiting for the modkills so we get investigations

if we do this we lose the game from people getting removed from the timeline. pushing this is basically a scumclaim.

I do recall Wisdom arguing FOR waiting for the modkills and suggesting something silly as "the worst it could result in is a NL" or something along that line.

Even before that Wisdom had suggested the investigation to be on:

ideally desp or skrew

he already knew they were not to be modkilled first, so it was a waste of the investigation. Remember he admitted today that he realized random was Town yesterday, but the fact is he knew it all along and planned to kill random last night anyway but ransom beat him by actually targeting him the night before, hence his today comment:

well, this happened

so yeah, im the marquis, 3p who controls the order of kills

i was pretty creative with my orderings but nobody figured them out

He realizes there's no way he can talk himself out of it, but he still tries to live longer to kill more town by FAKE claiming 3P

[Almost50]

Almost i dont understand what youre saying
There are two scum kills on N1 and two scum kills on N2
I have nothing to do with them except that i enabled them via modkilling

yeah yeah.

===Day One===
Wis

Brian

Frog
Wheme

Kise

Almost

Desp

Vedith

gerry
Maria

===Day Two===

Dan

Desp

Drum

Errant

Frog
gerry

===Day Five===
Wis

random

[Almost50]

Last night random got killed because you all waited for the investigation, and yet the one that was targeted for that investigation didn't get modkilled, and WISDOM DIDN'T SAY A WORD ABOUT IT

who are you talking about?

The TOWN. However here are some questions for YOU:

If YOU submitted the lists, how come you suggested Desp or Skrew get investigated when you knew they were not going to die first?

Also, why didn't you try to get Hiraki lynched BEFORE the modkills occured when you knew the investigation won't go through?

Also also, how come you knew scum could only kill from those who got modkilled yet submitted your own name AS THE FIRST NAME on D1 and D5 (of the 2 days we knew the order of the killings because those actually did happen)? Are you telling me that you enjoy playing it risky and want to be in the scum NK pool for lols?

[Almost50]

Now if Scum can only kill from those who get modkilled then by lynching Wisdom the killing STOPS because there will be no more modkills during the day to begin with. It becomes a nightless game (and especially so with random already dead).

thats very unlikely
Makes more sense that they gain a normal nk
Imagine if i got lynched D1; theyd have no kills for the whole game, doesnt sound right

That would've been really sad, but also very unlikely, seeing as you submitted your own name FIRST on D1, so all you had to do is stall for a week (games this size almost never get going before 72 hours or so anyway, so you and yours would have only needed to stall for 96 more hours and that's assuming you were suspected enough by as many players to even be in any danger of being lynched on D1).

Wisdom, tell me something: When was the last time you got lynched? Now when was the last time you got lynched on day one??

[Almost50]

Desp is the most likely other scum alive now. gerry is Town and Wheme is most likely town too, and Wis trying to make it look like Desp looks better for hammering Hiraki after they had already got their kill and shading Wjeme instead is very condemning IMHO.

this is silly
youre proposing desp is in a team with me yet he was okay with a kill that confirmed im scum?

What could he have done? Quickhammer his other buddy before you even got that kill on random? If you get lynched today (and you will) Desp comes back to argue he hammered Hiraki and allowed the random kill by waiting for the modkills so he could not be in your team.

[Almost50]

he already knew they were not to be modkilled first, so it was a waste of the investigation. Remember he admitted today that he realized random was Town yesterday, but the fact is he knew it all along and planned to kill random last night anyway but ransom beat him by actually targeting him the night before, hence his today comment:

none of this makes sense either
We're talking about chara's investigation, not random's

dude - clear your head, youre forcing the conclusions you want

Yes we are, and CHARA'S INVESTIGATION TARGET HAS TO DIE BY DAY FOR THEM TO GET A RESULT, and you knew that, and you knew the order of your own list. That's what I'm saying.

[Almost50]

If YOU submitted the lists, how come you suggested Desp or Skrew get investigated when you knew they were not going to die first?

i wanted kills
and thus i wanted modkills
and thus i said things that would result in people waiting for them

So, you submitted YOUR OWN NAME FIRST, then random came in and declared you The Marquis, and you are 3P who knows the kills occur from the modkills he himself submits and know you put your own name first, and you wanted the modkills to go through anyway without fear for your life? Tell me why!

[Almost50]

Also, why didn't you try to get Hiraki lynched BEFORE the modkills occured when you knew the investigation won't go through?

come again? Why would i do that? Its against my wincon to get a lynch before modkills

To avoid being in the NK pool yourself, my friend. If you thought scum would "choose" whom to kill from your list you would fear for your life. However I finally figured who dies at night from the lists you submit, so I now know nobody picks anything after the list has been submitted. You know that also, and thus had no fear.

[Almost50]

Also also, how come you knew scum could only kill from those who got modkilled yet submitted your own name AS THE FIRST NAME on D1 and D5 (of the 2 days we knew the order of the killings because those actually did happen)? Are you telling me that you enjoy playing it risky and want to be in the scum NK pool for lols?

D1 i just wanted to survive without causing any suspicion or giving scum any reason to kill me, given i had limited time to play anyway (plus i used the playerlist order to make it seem mod's doing)

D5 I wanted chara to investigate me as im immune to cops

Funny that I just quoted you recommending Desp or Skrew though and not yourself. What made you change your mind between the time you submitted the list and the time you proposed those two for investigation targets?

[Almost50]

Wisdom, tell me something: When was the last time you got lynched? Now when was the last time you got lynched on day one??

Dram didnt design the game based on me being the kill enabler
again, youre forcing conclusions here

Backup roles are a thing you know In fact, THAT explains the Desp move even better. He inherits your abilities (probably even gets to be called The Marquis if you die), so he can carry on with the kills AND become investigative immune, and that's why he needed random gone so he can be safe as Chara cannot catch him anyway.

Thanks for the help on this precise point.

[Almost50]

What could he have done? Quickhammer his other buddy before you even got that kill on random?

Wait for more modkills maybe..?

To what benefit? The kill you guys wanted was already in. Why wait any longer and put himself under more suspicion when he could earn all the town cred in the world by doing exactly what he did?

[Almost50]

again, because the mafia (your team) has an order ,, a hierarchy .. if the "big boss" gets lynched the 2nd in command takes over being the GF (and gets called The Marquis). That way your kills do not stop with the lynching of the original GF, AND they become immune to NK but not to random. Best case scenario was for Desp to be targeted by random and declared NOT the Marquis early on, then gets checked by Chara after you flip and -obviously- gets an inno from them too. But since that didn't happen random had to go anyway. You precisely put him at 2nd slot on your list to guarantee he dies last night, but you didn't expect him to return that guilty on you. You're a goner and you know it, but he had to go anyway for your scum p who takes over the GF role to be protected.

Let me ask you again: Why didn't you suggest random for the investigation? I mean, it was either you or him with you knowing the order of the list, and you say it was scummy to suggest yourself. (Hint: THINK HARD before you answer this one, It;s tricky as hell)

[Almost50]

because i wanted random lynched

So, you wanted him lynched, knew he was the designated modkill along with you, and wanted the modkills to go through because you wanted the nks to happen!

I mean, let's say you pushed for a random lynch, but then it could not have happened before the modkills because you also wanted the NK, so you would wait for the modkills which happen to be on YOU and YOUR LYNCH TARGET. Yeah, that makes most sense to me. Both the lyncher and the lynchee are about to die and the lynchee knows it because hes the one who submitted the list but he wants to wait for it to happen so he can "lynch" the guy he just modkilled along with himself!!! I rest my case.

[Almost50]

Also, how you STILL wanted him lynched when he had already outed the investigation result bon you and you already realized he was Town?? Yeah.. it certainly doesn't make sense for Desp to want random dead because he would confirm you're scum, but it sure makes PERFECT SENSE that YOU YOURSELF would want him lynched anyway! I'm fully convinced now. You sure made it look so very perfectly logical.

[Almost50]

Hmmm. So how many rounds (days) should we have waited? 4? Until there were only 2 left alive thus NL is a certainty and then they will have to be modkilled too 24 hours later, so you get 3 nks like it was the case on D1, and then we start today at 4 vs 3? Oh, sorry. 3-3-1 since you're 3P. Then what? I mean, certainly you didn't expect scum to be shooting scum at night, so them 3 would stay alive still.. don't you think that's a bit weird for a 3P? To play to PRESERVE the "opposing" scum team? I mean, when would you get the chance to kill THEM if you can't kill yourself and want to wait to modkills to occur so they can shoot Town?

[Almost50]

@Town: EVEN IF the Mafia get their normal kill back if Wisdom dies that would be ONE kill per night, whereas they got to "at least one" with him alive, and that's assuming he is 3P not Mafia.

VOTE WISDOM

[Almost50]

@gerry: VOTE WISDOM NOW, YOU are the designated night kill if we wait.

@SS: Hang on and stick with me. We need to lynch Wisdom ASAP if you don't want to lose gerry. Keep your vote on Wis.

@Chara: Just trust me. will you? Please? VOTE Wisdom!

@SleepyKrew: Superb are already voting Wisdom, duh!

@Wheme: Put simply, flipping Wisdom could vindicate you (if he flips group scum that is). Now I'm not 100% on you/Desp so it's your call and you know better

@Desp: Same situation as Wheme here, except it's if Wisdom flips 3P to prove you had no knowledge random was the designated kill

@Wisdom: Damned if I let you off the hook today. The "one dies, skip two then one dies, skip two then another dies" is clear enough in 1481 it simply cannot be ignored or brushed off as a coincidence. Once everybody realizes the pattern they will understand exactly what I'm talking about and *Poof* you're gone. We can deal with the rest of the scum tomorrow.

[Almost50]

@Town: LYNCH WISDOM AND I GUARANTEE THERE WILL BE NO NKS TONIGHT. If one occurs then speed lynch me tomorrow. That's my final offer. Kust VOTE WISDOM NOW before the modkills begin

VOTE WISDOM. He is better than both Hillary and Trump combined anyway.

Limited offer: Vote Wisdom and win a game. ACT NOW

[Almost50]

@Town: EVEN IF the Mafia get their normal kill back if Wisdom dies that would be ONE kill per night, whereas they got to "at least one" with him alive, and that's assuming he is 3P not Mafia.

VOTE WISDOM

we dont know that either
Theyve had two kills every night so far with the exception of last night where i was saved by the jk, so it might stay that way just without the modkills

N1 they had THREE kills. Where did the third come from if they only killed two?

[Almost50]

The "one dies, skip two then one dies, skip two then another dies" is clear enough in 1481 it simply cannot be ignored or brushed off as a coincidence. Once everybody realizes the pattern they will understand exactly what I'm talking about and *Poof* you're gone.

I still have no clue what youre talking about there
Theres no pattern, scum can kill in the modkilled

See? You deny the OBVIOUS. Saying there's no pattern is like telling me the Sun rises randomly rather than it being a 24 hrs cycle (let's exclude the poles, shall we? They follow a "pattern" too, just not a 24 hrs cycle).

[Almost50]

vedith was a vig kill in case you forgot, btw

Who was the Vig? And I hadn't forgotten. I WAS NOT IN THE GAME D1/N1 (in case YOU forgot). Of course I only skimmed through D1 posts when I replaced in. There was much there for me to read in depth anyway. Everyone was clueless. Reading it now though (or specific relevant parts of it) gives us a better idea. It's a shame you opted to vanish off the face of the earth early on D1 so you can be safe. I would have wanted you around for much much longer. *Sigh*

[Almost50]

@Wheme: Also please target gerry with your protection, just in case. Thank you very much

[Almost50]

Desp still wanting to wait for modkills is very incriminating all in and by itself.

What I don't get is why GERRY hasn't voted Wisdom yet. Does he want to die tonight?? I hope Chara comes in soon and finishes the job.

@Ali: I did nothing to you head, bro. All I did was go back and write down the order in which the mods announced every modkilled pair. I noticed the timestamps of those particular posts. After seeing the list in order I marked the kills in bold, and it became apparent the kills had a pattern related to the order of the list, which means scum don't get to choose the kills on the same night but rather the previous night when they submit the list.

Now Wisdom says he submits the list. Great. Then he is the one responsible for all the killing so far. I still find it hard to buy him as 3P bc it means scum can't kill at all 9at least not while he's alive). So we lynch him and get his flip to know for sure if he is 3P or group scum, and IF the latter we see what happens at night. If the killings stop, great. If there's a kill still then scum have gained the normal kill we are used to in most mafia games, and =we can deal with that.

Desperado tomorrow for sure, I agree. I won't be speculating who's next though because there are too many missing variables for me to decide. Hell, the game may have ended by then if Wisdom flips group scum, and it was only 2 scums all along with that mechanic to compensate for their low numbers.

[Almost50]

VOTE: Desp

If the game doesn't end today; lynch NC. Desp is scum alright but there might be a 4th and it's between the claimed Cop who could've easily faked their results or the claimed protector who has yet to prove his ability.

The reason I put NC ahead of Wheme is the claim was a perfect alibi to wanting to wait for the modkills, i.e. the scum kills. The original claim was made by Maria (not beyond Scum!her by any means) and the "correction" NC made was to cover up for the discrepancy between what they claimed and what had been claimed by Maria, so it could be that NC didn't fully read the thread and was corrected by their scum partners in their PT (Wisdom really got f'd up by his partners)

Note: Wisdom was a GODFATHER, i.e. GROUP MAFIA. You don't call a 3P Serial Killer a GF. You call him Investigative Immune. Just wanted that out in the open and clear enough.

[Almost50]

That was L-1 btw. Needless to say it's safer to lynch before the 7th day still just in case the Marquis role does get transferred to the next level living Mafioso (2nd in command, vice-president, deputy.. you get the idea)

[Almost50]

Why, THANK YOU

[Almost50]

BUT WAIT!

What's the point of having a GF role when there's no Cop in play?? What was dram thinking? He also included a JK who cannot stop anything but the flavour Cop who is precisely looking for that GF though, so I certainly wouldn't put it beyond his to have that GF as a trick for both Town and Scum.

Spoiler: Don't read if you don't want to lose your mind

I mean, setup spec in this game is weird. Whoever includes a specific role to hunt down the GODFATHER? If NC is Cop then none of the scum was actually investigative immune. If NC is Scum though then ALL SCUM EXCEPT THE GODFATHER were immune, and that is the kind if trick I'd expect the likes of dramonic, skullduggery, Besilarius and maybe even Varsoon to use in their games. In the last Varsoon game he had a "hidden" player slot that scum and could not even vote or post in the main thread and we didn't know it existed until the game was over. Furthermore, he gave Town killing abilities (I had a vig with enhanced priority) while giving both in-game scum total immunity against being killed.

[Almost50]

There must always be a Marquis ruling over The Sexy Brutale.

YIPPEEEEEE!! I was DEAD RIGHT ON THIS!

[Almost50]

A50 and NC I am so proud of you two

Yup. You did extremely well yourself.

And now me and NC have to work on this problem of mistrusting each other when things appear too tight because we know each others abilities as scum.

This is the second time we double guess our TR on each other, and you -Ali- was there in the first time too (Kuroi's Namek game ..whatever it was called)

@Chara: Sorry for second guessing myself about you my dear. It was out of respect to your abilities in the game though.

[Almost50]

Like
we work so well together us 3 omg

Indeed we do.

@Wisdom: This was NOT your fault. I replaced in after you had already submitted the list for D2 on N1, and we never got to see the list on D3/D4 and you certainly had to kill random on D5, so really you never got the chance to take me out before it was too late. I tend to start clueless and bit by bit I get to figure things out towards the end of the game.

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also A50 ty for keeping my insanity intact with your push on wisdom bc i was really worried he was going to get away with the 3rd party claim

No problem, mate. It was my pleasure as Wisdom is indeed one of the finest scum players on this site, so figuring him out and actually "turning him in to justice" made me feel GOOD!

[Almost50]

Hiraki I have no idea why you did what you did.

Check the role PMs. Hiraki used HIS fake claim. Wisdom was the one who messed up at this particular incident as he wasn't provided of a fake claim of his own.

[Almost50]

also yeah, dram only gave us two fakeclaims, i and desp used them, hiraki didnt notice.

Regardless, you're GOOD at this, man! You really are "born to be scum" so to speak.

[Almost50]

A50 WE DID IT!

*BIG HUG*

Now THIS is the Alisae I want to see each game. You're talented and you're bright and when you

want to

you are really really sharp at solving games and getting correct reads. Like up until I figured out how the kills worked I didn't trust gerry myself, but I was sheeping you on that one. Also you trusting me and my reads saved us a whole lot of TvT struggles. You ROCK (jjh, you too. Ali was the more active head though)

[Almost50]

THANK YOU, dramonic. Your games are really creative and you have some vivid imagination with roles and all. Let me know if there's another one coming up soon.