TBD Mafia 2 [game over]

[ActionDan]

I submitted my questions but I should have added one about asking for a penalty if someone posts 3 times in a row.

[ActionDan]

Aw thank you Alisae

[ActionDan]

"To be determined"

Hmmmmm

[ActionDan]

All hail the chosen prophet

VOTE: lycanfire

[ActionDan]

And signups

[ActionDan]

but I basicly turned myself into a neutral survivor that can't vote if you're wondering what happened

This is a bit disappointing to be frank. I don't know exactly the hand you were dealt so maybe for some reason this was the best course of action but sooner or later we will have to lynch you (at least I will be avocating for it, as will as other competent town hopefully), and that will be a waste of talent. Before that happens, I'm curious to know whether your ability you used was factional, your alignment before you used it, and whether that's a permanent change.

[ActionDan]

I thought and still think Toby was a mod sock puppet.

I can also do conditionally interesting things with my role, which is why I asked about the particulars of yours.

[ActionDan]

Venca, "scrum me hard"

[ActionDan]

Happen to have "meta" in your role title vena ;p

[ActionDan]

All good. It's in mine, and I was curious how many we number

[ActionDan]

No post restriction is "confirmed," only claimed.

MM4 please describe what your thought process was that led you to go from posting #459 to #540?

[ActionDan]

I was more trying to get at why the reasoning for 540 wasn't present in 459 considering you acknowledged Toby to be a secret alt / sock puppet in 459, but that's fine.

[ActionDan]

Nothing important has happened.

Kudos if you can read anything into the last 5 pages.

Pages 14-28 maybe are better for reading people potentially

[ActionDan]

Actually if anything he FOS'd me + Vax.

Although I don't really understand the commentary with regard to #616

[ActionDan]

You don't need to share Mastin. Personally it helps me and since I'm town, helps you (presumably), but I can't imagine information about the questionnaire won't help scum either.

[ActionDan]

I grant you at this point the chances of that entity being town is nearing 0.

I'd still only vote it if by the end of the day a lynch has stalled.

[ActionDan]

Would it though?

Does Toby seem afraid to die from his first post onwards? I don't think so. If anything he's been inviting votes on him even before claiming double/triple/x-role jester

[ActionDan]

I agree that he's not a jester, doesn't mean lynching him will work out well for town even if he's non-town. People don't play deliberately anti-town for like that for no reason.

[ActionDan]

He's not playing anti-town?
Perhaps I'm not acclimated to the new meta but if that qualifies as acceptable play in this day and age, what kind of shit-fest as mafia become

[ActionDan]

I said no

[ActionDan]

I didn't even notice there was only less than 2 days left. Seems a little like mod fuckery tbh but I don't remember the original deadline.

Anyway I'm still sitting on an RVS vote essentially (with a caveat) on a main wagon. I'll reread the thread today.

UNVOTE:

[ActionDan]

Ok duel iso'd bulbs and lycan and I think Bulbs is town, there's a couple of paragraph posts that are fluid and ring true to me. lycan more unreadable than anything but I'd vote him over bulb definitely. I do want to say that I really dislike the way you played wrt dreal and not being quite on the up and up. I can understand that play style and exaggerating a read like that but the rest of us get those 5 pages of what looks like garbage instead of if you were just being honest from the start.

Anyway, while reading I picked up on 958 in bulbs iso and I found that post scummy. It's a short D1 and both lycan and bulb were main wagons (granted neither had too many votes but still). It's a rather shallow read of the situation.

Oh also, Chesskid is town.

VOTE: Vaxkiller

[ActionDan]

I don't agree with all his reads tho. Like I think bulb is town and Mario is town (weaker read), and dunker bird is not town for what has been posted at the least. I want to check out Eddie once more because it did ping me though earlier

[ActionDan]

I do that lots. You can count on my vote when it matters. I don't think it's absolutely imperative i vote lycan now

cuts

[ActionDan]

votecount 1.05

4 players voting for Bulbazak (Desperado, drealmerz7, SnarkySnowman, Lycanfire)
4 players voting for Lycanfire (ActionDan, Not_Mafia, Vaxkiller, Bulbazak)

I don't like either of these wagons. I like the composition of the Bulb wagon much more though.

Right now, I won't vote to lynch: Drealmz, Snarky, Bulbazak, Lycanfire

votecount 1.08

5 players voting for Lycanfire (ActionDan, Vaxkiller, Bulbazak, EddieFenix, Desperado)
5 players voting for Bulbazak (drealmerz7, Lycanfire, chesskid3, Not_Mafia, Srceenplay)

Ginngie, is there a reason you're not listed as a voter?

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I don't like either of the main wagons. If I had to chose between the two, I'd vote Lycan only because I like it's composition better. I'm sheeping Snarky so he can actually confirm something.

VOTE: Toby Determined

The more I stare at this, the more I realize that judging these wagons by whatever probable town/scum values sly is giving to the wagons' participants to determine some sort of composition metric makes no objective sense.

The rest of the iso is quote walls with barely anything tangible in them.

VOTE: SlySly

[ActionDan]

Not_Mafia is conftown. That alone makes the Bulbazak wagon better. I also have dreamlz in my strong townreads. Those together outweigh my TR's on ActionDan and Bulbazak.

And in the post I just quoted you said you'd vote lycan

[ActionDan]

Ok, that makes more sense, but I also don't like the way you're going about making your decision between the two based on wagon composition alone as well. These are 4 vs 4 or 5 vs 5 where town reads are on both, though I suppose less so currently on lycan's. Not_mafia and Desp have both switched between them as well.

If you think they are both town you should be fighting for something else that isn't toby. And if you can't think of an alternative and have to choose between one of lycan and bulb because of external factors like deadlines, you should not rely on the wagon composition alone. Perhaps after rereading youll fine one is more town than the other. And even if you think they are both equally town at least say so.

[ActionDan]

I'm waiting for Mastina, tbh.

I'm skimming the happenings since my last post and for the most part, all I'm really thinking is, "Yep. These sure are words."

I think the issue is that I lack the proper context combined with me skimming so most of what people're saying is going over my head.
Do feel like splitting my votes thisaway though,
VOTE: ActionDan, but if I had to give you a reason it'd be...well, you know how normally, I say "I'd hate to call it gut because that implies it's ONLY gut", in that I'll get a read which is stronger than gut but I call it gut for lack of a better term?

...This is the inverse. Where I'd hate to call it gut because that implies it's of a strength worthy of being called gut.

I'll try to give you some proper thoughts when I have read the thread properly.

It always amazes me how mastin can post so many words that essentially say "I don't have reads, I haven't read the game, here's a random vote"

With the amount of time you invested into typing all that I'm sure you had the opportunity to at least iso Sly/Lycan/Bulb and read not just for tone, but for understanding and context.

Looking back on Eddie's iso what pinged me was that the posts just felt cringey to me, which is simply NAI. But as for the questions that Eddie has asked and claimed that would help him evaluate the players, while I recognize that early in the game one has to start somewhere, I see almost no merit to any of them. There's no followup, and no reads espoused based on their answers unless eddie is keeping that to himself. I wouldn't even have minded the "'I trust you bulb', vote: Lycanfire" post were it not for the absolute lack of independent thought prior.

[ActionDan]

I'll be here to vote lycan if needed

[ActionDan]

It's because you clearly don't have reads as good as vecna, therefore you must be pocketing him

[ActionDan]

eh

VOTE: screenplay

[ActionDan]

because he's probably the best mafia player in the current playerlist

[ActionDan]

agreed

[ActionDan]

Hello. You said u was scum and put me in the bottom of your pile of dissapointments, please expand on that.

[ActionDan]

that's not engagement, screenplay

[ActionDan]

this is a truly bad wagon

[ActionDan]

I am!

[ActionDan]

I haven't done 69 yet. Not a huge fan of it in porn either.

Still not going to lynch either Bulba or Mario

[ActionDan]

maybe later

[ActionDan]

first, he's already the largest wagon and there's no momentum anywhere atm, and second I think screenplay has a higher chance to be scum than Llama

[ActionDan]

I understand what you're saying but I shouldn't be your focus. I'm sure this feels like herding cats since you have a scum read on the llama but you know that I'll be a vote on him at some point in the next 24 hours. I also don't believe scum will even feel bothered to bus were llama scum because look at the vote distribution. If you want to affect real change in the game state you'll have to call out people that haven't voiced a clear preference but have votes all over the place. I've barely been paying this game much attention for a good while so I don't know if you've done that or not or what people are really thinking atm but that's my 2 cents.

[ActionDan]

same

[ActionDan]

VOTE: SlySly

[ActionDan]

ok slyly needs to be replaced or someshit.

ONE MORE DAY. AND ANOTHER AFTER

[ActionDan]

VOTE: bulb

20 min lol. I'll spin the dice insteam of no lynch

[ActionDan]

Sad thing is if given the option I'd want to remove almost anyone else.

[ActionDan]

VOTE: Zoë

[ActionDan]

I also gained the ability to masonize one player. (Yes really. This might have something to do with me answering that's the role I'd want to be for the N1 questionnaire. )

interesting.

So did I. Gained something related to my wish. Not that, but something. dunno if mod slipped up or Mod lied about Mulch's role

[ActionDan]

Also I think slysly slot / marble is town now.

[ActionDan]

I will do my best to grant one wish from someone other than you each night.

if your gained ability is about your wish, then 2 wishes, not 1, have been granted.

[ActionDan]

Alisae is that your way of saying you shook off the yoke of being a neutral survivor and pleaded to be town? wish granted? because your posting is that of someone who actually cares now

[ActionDan]

fruit vendors can be town. regardless bulb said he was a JOAT before a fruit vendor. so.

[ActionDan]

ok

Mulch died night 1.
Vaxkiller died night 2.

uhh..

[ActionDan]

If anything I'm more wondering if you started off as a scum JOAT

[ActionDan]

I mean probably unlikely that scum have a vig kill I guess.

[ActionDan]

that settles it, Mod's a lying scumbag. XD I wonder how many other lies exist in this game

[ActionDan]

That's a Day 3 backup*X vig though. Not a straight up, I can shoot you N1 vig.

It's different

[ActionDan]

not so bad if it fails, then you just claim who it failed on

[ActionDan]

I'm actually having a hard time seeing this as coming from town. It was definitely meant to neuter me and make me more susceptible to being lynched.

Abracadabra — fruit vender powers activate!

[ActionDan]

No, I'm just pulling your dick.

[ActionDan]

Horrible shot. And awful timing too

[ActionDan]

For what it's worth, what I read was dreal giving us permission to lynch him if he was wrong.
Any one else get that?

Do you want to lynch him

[ActionDan]

I suppose I should ask if anyone got fruit to see if that role existed prior to today

[ActionDan]

Vax if you did vote and then unvote

[ActionDan]

>LYNCH ZOE

Yeah this Zelda wagon is ass

[ActionDan]

GOD. FUCKING. DAMN. IT. ALL!! I wanted Bulb alive!!! I knew he was town by his postings.

No word to that effect in your post when he was under threat of being shot

[ActionDan]

doot

[ActionDan]

Keeping mah box

[ActionDan]

I want this carrot thing to resolve

[ActionDan]

Stay. I bolded it in thread

[ActionDan]

HEAL: Vaxkiller

what's even going on

[ActionDan]

I've made a decision

VOTE: dunkerdoodle x2

[ActionDan]

Doot

[ActionDan]

Did anyone answer no to the role madness question btw

[ActionDan]

Not impressed with ActionDan here either.......his play is very very far from his play in the dance game i played with him recently, where he was an incredibly easy townread.

Oh right I meant to correct you that that scum team name was the one I put in that question. Minus "keith"

@screenplay, #19

[ActionDan]

Mastina saved no one

[ActionDan]

Because I know mastina isn't a bad player

[ActionDan]

"Mastina knows I'm likely cop"

That's where you're wrong

[ActionDan]

He'll flip scum don't worry.

[ActionDan]

I like how you didn't even let me claim

[ActionDan]

well I switched Eddie and Bulb's roles N1. N2 I attempted to switch Not_mafia's and Drealmz. I dunno if it worked. probably not

Also was granted the "check someone to see if they are an SK and then swap alignments + roles after" as my wish but didn't use it.

[ActionDan]

Desperado should be lynched next.

Then Llmarble/Randommidget/Drealmz.

the SK is one of snarky/Vecna.

[ActionDan]

Good luck!

[ActionDan]

But yeah lynch Desperado. He needs divine justice

[ActionDan]

My wish was make me SK like I wanted pre-game. There's 100% chance there's an SK.

My other opinion is that there's one scum left and it's desparado

[ActionDan]

I attempted to switch you and Dreamlrz roles and probably failed. Since I guessed that both you and he answered the same to question 19. ("do you want the game to be role madness?")

Also I was shot by desperado and will flip town whenever the mod comes back to the game

[ActionDan]

oh yes that too.

we swap roles and alignments if i guess correctly

[ActionDan]

Most useless town award might actually have to go to Not-Mafia over desperado

[ActionDan]

Ignore the survivors! Balance! 4 mafia 1 SK 17 players! Balance!

Are we for real.

Also annoyed Not_Mafia never bothered to confirm the roles had been switched there-by confirming Drealz was actually town.

[ActionDan]

Besides Chesskid shooting scum that was one of the best pro-town actions in the game.