Kidney Mafia (Game Over)

[hebichan]

Let's y'all about for an0ther 150 pages.

Hebi, genuine apologies if I offended you today. But I still think you are scum

Genuine apologies for the forthcoming insult, but you are bad.

But again, there seems to be this weird consensus between you, slysly, lycan, and gerry, but no wagon could ever form. Nothing strange there!

VOTE: Game Replacement

[hebichan]

I will wagon whatever the biggest is off of anyone other than:

PV, Zach, POWER, Lil.

everyone else in this town needs to die, barring replacements.

[hebichan]

And arcade, for reasons of being able to get one result, but should be the day 2 lynch.

[hebichan]

Oh missed grapes, grapes gets to live too.

[hebichan]

Oh missed grapes, grapes gets to live too.

Would you explain why, I don't read grapes town at all

No, no, this time you explain.

Why don't you read grapes as town?

[hebichan]

Oh why don't you like me

Your posts in the reads list the reads list have been a bit odd compared to how you've been playing the rest of the game.

Like you talk about my flavor role but not really the context of us trying to figure out if flavor had to do with roles or anything, or my point that for my own, it seemed to, while everyone elses said their's did not. It was an early attempt to mechanic sort.

and all of your notes on the people who were talking there seem to have very little details on our actual plays rather than claims and that business.

I'm honestly more curious about your flip rather than actively scum reading you, but I would wagon if it came down to it. I don't think it will.

[hebichan]

Something that bothers me in particular about TPF/a few others is that when I vote or make a small off hand read they grill me but others have been able to get away with just "lol" or "this post is bad" without much pushback.

Smells more like hunting the low hanging fruit than actually looking for scum.

[hebichan]

k fuck it i'm gonna have to do this

since narna's slot was obviously fake claiming in attempt to roleswap me who clearly soft counterclaimed rb i'm just gonna hardclaim so that the replacement slot doesn't scumclaim since i don't think that's his actual role pm.

white blood cell, novice nonconsecutive doctor

please lynch game replacement

I was already voting GR though?

[hebichan]

Let's y'all about for an0ther 150 pages.

Hebi, genuine apologies if I offended you today. But I still think you are scum

Genuine apologies for the forthcoming insult, but you are bad.

But again, there seems to be this weird consensus between you, slysly, lycan, and gerry, but no wagon could ever form. Nothing strange there!

VOTE: Game Replacement

still don't get why you didn't vote game replacement or a petread when i told you to vote someone that is scum earlier

Carca was a pet read? Regardless, we have a new cc now. I like this one less.

[hebichan]

yeah and you admitted it was a shit one and unvoted

I came to the conclusion it was later. Regardless, the game has been a rollercoaster for me, and I still dont know how to feel about any of this and I'm not sure why transcend claimed when we were getting there on our own.

[hebichan]

Add transcend to the never wagoning today though, I suppose.

[hebichan]

day can now end. i allow it to happen. also note how shitty the lettervomit comp is. DESPERATION!

What does lettervomit comp even mean?

[hebichan]

Godd

I'm a mason with Peregine V.

Okay?

[hebichan]

My flavor is mitochondria, which is why I thought that my flavor sort of did make sense with my role.

[hebichan]

I wanted Narna's masonry to be real so I could make a giant masonry between 5 people...

Seriously, why would I want a masonry as scum?

[hebichan]

Masonry?

Don't lie about this please.

I'm not lying, if my partner wasn't the most worst lurker on site he could have claimed before I did.

It's frustrating when half your masonry is PV5 asking you to explain what happened in the game so far.

Also, why would I shoot zach? I mean, I guess for towncred, but he was the only person defending me all game.

[hebichan]

Hell, I even signaled it in my ISO, go look at all of the times I included PV5 as a hard town read for literally no reason.

[hebichan]

I am not a neighbor, or a lover, or some other thing, I am a mason, with no other abilities except that I know PV5 is town and I share a PT with him.

It's why I didn't mind looking scummy day one, I was actually an IC all along, like I said, at least to one guy.

I soft claimed when I counter voted Gerry, softclaimed during narna's schtick.

[hebichan]

After deliberation with myself (because im crazy), i've determined that there is likely 2 scum teams.

Also

VOTE: Gerryoats

[hebichan]

If you're a mason why did you
a. believe narna could make another 3 person masonry

b. want one of those shots on you if you were already a mason

a. I thought maybe it was a qt madness game, and PV5 and I were talking about it in our own QT.

b. why wouldn't I? It would make me confirmed town to 2 more people and let me tell someone about my masonry without revealing it to scum? Like, it creates a great townbloc without letting mafia in on it.

[hebichan]

Also, Arcade, I defended you staying alive for your claim, knowing full well you might check me based on the potential wagon forming on me.

Like, there's plenty here that makes no sense as scum.

[hebichan]

...do they make more sense if we're scum together when there was no wagon on either of us and neither of us are really known for bussing hard day one with no pressure?

Cause PV% will back up my mason claim, the only question that you should be asking is if we're scum together (which if we were I just outed 2 scum for no reason and basically game threw) or if my mason claim is correct, which it is.

[hebichan]

b. why wouldn't I?

because you're wasting a cop check

I didn't ask you to check me numb nuts, I was hoping you would check carcalilly's slot.

[hebichan]

I mean, we were trying not to reveal masons early because it's more useful the more time goes on in the game, I didn't want you to check me.

[hebichan]

oh wait, you meant on narna's mason claim.

Confirming myself town isn't a wasted cop claim, confirming I have a PT is however.

[hebichan]

Also, Arcade, I defended you staying alive for your claim, knowing full well you might check me based on the potential wagon forming on me.

Like, there's plenty here that makes no sense as scum.

No, you wanted to lynch us today before we even got to use our other shot

To appease like half the town who wanted you lynched before you even got one result?

Like, I just thought it would be better to get some info. I would have just voted you if I was scum because I would know you would flip town otherwise, and mislynching a cop is great. But, I never did, and here we are.

Remember all the times lycan was convinced I was trying to build counter wagons against yours?

Seriously.

[hebichan]

I think the second counterwagon he was thinking I was countering yours over you was even GR.

How bad a scum player would I be to counter a claimed cop with a bus?

[hebichan]

Hebi please don't try to defend yourself by saying you're a good palyer

Literally my entire scum team would have to be functionally brain dead to have let me play the way I did if I were scum. IF you're going to call me a bad player, at least give credit to my imaginary scum team.

Also, hi pot, I'm kettle!

I'm a ninja cop who outed the masonry because I wouldn't listen to the towniest guy because I think I'm better than being leashed when half the town wants to lynch me for posting so badly, and then didn't even wait to quick vote one of the only people who kept them from being lynched.

Yes, I admit to not being one of the best players ever, but some self reflection would be nice.

[hebichan]

Lycan, SlySly and Gerryoats are all completely fine wagons right now. Haven't really changed my opinion since yesterday on those slots. I think they're all bad.

[hebichan]

No lycan wagon.

Can we do the gerry wagon then? The multiball spec is still triggering me.

[hebichan]

Why does scum Gerry talk about multiball as scum?

To put the idea there might be multiple scum teams in our head and think TvT is really SvS instead.

Or because he's scum and has figured it out and wants the other scum team dead.

[hebichan]

Oh right, if I die tonight, the doctor claims need to die.

[hebichan]

P what if scum have a strongman

Eh, I guess they could at this point.

Also, what do you think of the 2-shot mafia doctor with only one night kill?

No ones claimed that they stopped an attack, and yet there is no sk kill or multiball kill?

[hebichan]

i only win this game by not playing. fuck ya'll i'm getting ready for work

Apathy post, lynch this.

/s

[hebichan]

See what happens when you sheep the goat. You lynch mefia. I'll catch up in a sec. But there are a few slots I wanna turbo lunch

I was still sheeping zach who was sheeping transcend.

[hebichan]

See what happens when you sheep the goat. You lynch mefia. I'll catch up in a sec. But there are a few slots I wanna turbo lunch

*hands you a copy of LLD's "How to bus bad scum partners for EZ town cred."*

[hebichan]

anyways in terms of flavor i think we can infer that all mafia roles have negative connotations to them such as blood disease and all town roles don't such as kidney and white blood cell.

I can agree with this, also i think there is more than 1 maf team based on that scum PM. do you agree?

why did you think it was multiball before that scum pm?

[hebichan]

fwiw zach was sus of gerry iirc

i led on maf. bad dog. i literally helped swing a bw over obvious lynchbait. I wouldn´t have a reason to do that as scum. If somehow Carc flips scum this game, then maybe I can see your case as to why I can be scum. For once I TR you though

I helped swing a vote off arcade onto GR.

You tried to get a wagon on me more than GR.

[hebichan]

i think pig should die still

zach wanted pig dead

i want pig dead

pig claimed worst thing ever which is nondisclosed PR

I could sheep this as well.

Gerry's vig claim is slightly making me reconsider.

then again, if this is multiball like he thinks, then that could literally mean nothing.

[hebichan]

Everyone should sheep me instead

Where are you voting again?

[hebichan]

Godd

I'm a mason with Peregine V.

Okay?

I mean

Fucking hell

The both of you were obv town

Why does no one ever listen to me or kraska

UNVOTE:

I mean I didn't scum read them.

That's because you're one of the only players on this site that plays with their head attached to their shoulders and not up their freaking ass

I didn't SR myself either!

But thanks for believing in me transcend.

[hebichan]

wait why the hell would you target me and hebichan¿¿ like we literally tunneled each other all day

I townread you, I SR hebichan.

I searched for mason, IC and miller crumbs and targeted where I found nothing.

well that's because you never searched for crumbs I left for the PV5 masonry because you SR me.

Because you didn't look at every option, just the confbias one.

[hebichan]

wait why the hell would you target me and hebichan¿¿ like we literally tunneled each other all day

I townread you, I SR hebichan.

I searched for mason, IC and miller crumbs and targeted where I found nothing.

well that's because you never searched for crumbs I left for the PV5 masonry because you SR me.

Because you didn't look at every option, just the confbias one.

I looked, I found what I found. You said you didn't have a PT. Liar.

...as RC said before, that was in response to narna's fakeclaim of a masonizer, I didn't have pt related to his claim that he added me to another masonry.

I'm not going to openly claim mason day 1 unproded, but I never claimed to not have *any* PT either.

[hebichan]

and before someone asks me why I wanted to be in two mason pts again, I wanted a 3-4 person town bloc.

Which you know, is pretty power.

[hebichan]

Honestly, early on I didn't want rb's theater and then leaving to actually be scum, and then it was.

[hebichan]

I'm not going to openly claim mason day 1 unproded, but I never claimed to not have *any* PT either.

Forgive me for missing a letter.

Though, nice act.

But in the future, asking if you're being trolled is probably going to make you look better than this complete 180 of going from seemingly nice and helpful to complete jerk. I have no PM, no QT, and no masonry.

Yes? That was in response to the whole narna thing. I don't get what you don't understand here.

[hebichan]

You clearly stated no masonry, you can't search for PT or QT

I did state that, but it was in regards to the masonry that narna promised, not the one in my role pm.

Context matters!

I mean, you backed me up because narna also said you would be in a masonry, remember?

[hebichan]

Like I said, my role makes perfect sense for my organ.

Hebi, could you explain this for me please? I promise it's not a gotcha question.

Mitochandria have a sort of double nucleus thing going on, almost making it look like two attached to eachother. It makes sense in a loose sort of way.

[hebichan]

Like I said, my role makes perfect sense for my organ.

Hebi, could you explain this for me please? I promise it's not a gotcha question.

Mitochandria have a sort of double nucleus thing going on, almost making it look like two attached to eachother. It makes sense in a loose sort of way.

Mitochondria don't have nuclei, do they?

https://www.thoughtco.com/mitochondria-defined-373367

oh crap you're right.

I dunno why I thought that.

Regardless, one thing I do know is that mitochondria communicate with each other in a sort of cell network, regardless, might be overthinking all of this.

[hebichan]

This is starting to feel like a role madness

rb - mafia 2-shot cop
transcend - novice doctor
rc - informed bp/neighborhood
arcade pals - ninja 2-shot pt checker
tpfkak - "pr"
hebichan - mason
peregrinev - mason (unconfirmed)
slysly - 2-shot parity checker
carcalily - vt

I think that's all claims so far

Dont forget zach being both miller and innocent child.

[hebichan]

What you both claim mitochondria

I don't know his flavor, never asked, probably should have.

I was sort of occupied trying to sum up the game for him multiple times.

[hebichan]

VOTE: TPKAP

Votes claimed mason, claims generic power role.

I at least want some sort of claim from the slot.

[hebichan]

No?

Generic PR is a terrible claim and it shouldn't have been allowed to go unvoted except we had so much more terrible things yesterday.

I want a real claim.

[hebichan]

...then you don't claim if you want to keep a low profile.

[hebichan]

Then don't claim anything.

You're acting like this is is a situation where TPF needed to claim, it wasn't.

It was a bad claim.

Also fuck off transcend.

[hebichan]

I mean you have no right to tell me to fuck off when I'm the only one in this game that's given a damn about your survival.

I do when you're calling me a monkey.

I don't have to take abuse just because you you made a pro town move of not lynching a mason and trusting your partners read.

Also, RC has also given a damn.

[hebichan]

Also who the hell are you even reading?

Like... you keep calling everyone bad and asking them to lynch scum but are you even voting anything?

[hebichan]

Can't say gonk is my favorite lynch, or even top 10, I would like to sort out the countless claims we have going around.

[hebichan]

how do u come to such a conclusion



also town it'd be nice to have some INPUT from u if you even exist

Input on what?

Everyone just shoots me down whenever I suggest a lynch.

Carca just unvoted someone based on them saying "no".

most everyone hasn't been replying.

[hebichan]

Bins, I don't care what the rest of the town thinks, I think you're still town.

[hebichan]

At the same time bins, LUV is not a bad wagon... though they are V/LA.

[hebichan]

I feel special with all these people talking about me.

[hebichan]

bins i have barely attempted to take notes all game but i know in my mind that you're one of the people that couldn't shut up about multiball day 1. the fact you specifically referenced other mafias opposed to what i said in the post is very bad, man.

this multiball hysteria is a fucking scum plot

vote gerry with me.

[hebichan]

also didn't RC claim informed bulletproof after claiming to think he was shot?

[hebichan]

I am one shot informed bulletproof and I was attacked last night

yeah right here, why are you going with

"one death doesn't make sense with scum" now?

if you're an informed bulletproof you know where the shot went.

[hebichan]

okay, both bins and RC, please acknowledge RC's claim.

[hebichan]

What is with narna's slot and fake claiming, this is the third time.

Also, I will not wagon anything.

I said yesterday I would wagon almost anything, because half this game needed to die, which is still the case, but I'm not going to wagon my hard ton reads or my mason buddy.

Also, I don't remember being at L-1 at any point yesterday? I would have claimed.

[hebichan]

hard town reads*

[hebichan]

Also... how is vecna's slot even remotely related to mine?

PV is my MASON partner.

[hebichan]

though, TPF is right, PV5 should probably get replaced. This is getting frustrating when my partner can't claim.

[hebichan]

because rb was uhh... freaking out, I don't think it was for any grand purpose.

[hebichan]

wait, thats 4 fake claims from narna slot.


hey, rc, are you a VT?

[hebichan]

oh right, narna and rc arent the same slot, they just both fake claim a lot.

its hard to keep all these claims straight when half aren't even relevant.

[hebichan]

oh right, narna and rc arent the same slot, they just both fake claim a lot.

its hard to keep all these claims straight when half aren't even relevant.

relevant to what hebi? what's your agenda?

Relevant to existance, aka they aren't real and therefore are not being currently claimed.

Why are you just rolling with half the game being people fake claiming, what is your agenda that you jump on any perceived failing that I make?

[hebichan]

oh right, narna and rc arent the same slot, they just both fake claim a lot.

its hard to keep all these claims straight when half aren't even relevant.

relevant to what hebi? what's your agenda?

Relevant to existance, aka they aren't real and therefore are not being currently claimed.

Why are you just rolling with half the game being people fake claiming, what is your agenda that you jump on any perceived failing that I make?

INTERESTING WORDCHOICE. I wanted you to ELABORATE what stance you're pushing at the current moment because I have no idea what you want in this game beyond having your partner replaced.

and which fakeclaims am i not supposed to be okay with?

Which, if you noticed, I answered.

You shouldn't be okay with how liberally the fake claims are being passed over in general. Any of them. It feels unnatural that we're just letting them claim with impunity?

I mean, I want gerry, TPFKAP, slysly and you out of this game, probably RC at some point, though again, survivor claim, but again, fake claimed already.

This game is like 1/3 fake claims, 1/3 bad, 1/3 weird speculation, and yet a select few people seem to want to question me instead of the heaping pile of actually suspicious shit and shut me down when I bring it up.

It's a damn miracle we ended up lynching scum.

[hebichan]

like i honestly believe ur the only player who can claim 3p and get away with it so

nah in this town anyone can claim anything and get away with it.

[hebichan]

Which, if you noticed, I answered.

You shouldn't be okay with how liberally the fake claims are being passed over in general. Any of them. It feels unnatural that we're just letting them claim with impunity?

I mean, I want gerry, TPFKAP, slysly and you out of this game, probably RC at some point, though again, survivor claim, but again, fake claimed already.

This game is like 1/3 fake claims, 1/3 bad, 1/3 weird speculation, and yet a select few people seem to want to question me instead of the heaping pile of actually suspicious shit and shut me down when I bring it up.

It's a damn miracle we ended up lynching scum.

oh okay, so you you're saying RC fakeclaimed. are you saying he fakeclaimed survivor or are you mad that he fakeclaimed informed? he retracted it by saying he wanted to see how people would approach that idea and that he didn't know.

he says he doesn't know if he was shot or not but is still operating from the angle he may have been with a second shooter theory.

why retract it? for towncred? maybe, but rc always complains about his imminent death. i'd expect no retraction and more AtE if theatre.

as for narna i'm mostly okay with the fakeclaim. being almond milk i didn't pick up on is an okay theory. as for a miracle we lynched scum it was in part thanks to a fakeclaim, so why don't you air out more of your concern of the narna/vecna slot because i have no fucking clue what your angle is with it.

Just because it was retracted doesn't mean that it wasn't a fake claim?

I'm less frustrated with general instances and more concerned with the general attitude that we let fake claims retract with no issues now.

[hebichan]

specific instances*

[hebichan]

I'm beginning to sympathize with TPFKAP because if I'm not supposed to scumread people who speculate on multiball with no flips (gerry), and if I can't at least get the town to question all the fake claiming, and I can't lynch people who are blantently bad and scummy (TPF/Carca) what the hell am I supposed to be reading?

Are we just going to start lynching lurkers?

[hebichan]

okay hold it

do you think multiball is a dumb theory or do you think lettervomit and carcalilly are scummy? how are you rationalizing the day 1 counterwagons?

1. I'm saying one of the two has to be true and both angles I have attacked have been shot down by people I town read, so I am becoming frustrated.

2. Which counter wagons in particular?

[hebichan]

VOTE: arcade pals


fwiw i was joking but continue i guess

ive never seen someone scumclaim so hard in one post but here we are

I mean you aren't even wrong. Which is sad, because I was townreading bins today before that.

VOTE: bins

[hebichan]

I mean you aren't even wrong. Which is sad, because I was townreading bins today before that.

before what? my arcade vote?


you do realize that ninja pt checker who CHECKED YOU of all people in the game was probably looking for your mason claim to guilty on
like they checked you because you softed PT. it was an easy "guilty"

Your interactions with GR yesterday were really bad though...

[hebichan]

also maria has been super duper scummy with her hostility

or maybe I'm just super sick of hostility but yeah

Well I mean, half this game has been hostile between transcend and gerry and rb and slysly

[hebichan]

GR was only ever on the Arcade Pals counter wagon though, to answer you lycan.

I'm starting to agree carca is is lynch bait, still doubting on the letter vomit.

I don't think arcade pals is scum unless multiball is true.

In which case I would put my current reads at bins/gr and gerry/arcade pals teams.

If this is multiball then gerry scumslipped early on.

If it isn't... not sure I scumread gerry or arcade at all.

[hebichan]

hebi i'm telling you again to vote who you think is scum

and I'm telling you I don't know who I think is scum.

I don't know what I read.

I need to walk through things in my head again quick here.

[hebichan]

VOTE: slysly

I think that is scum.

[hebichan]

hebi i'm telling you again to vote who you think is scum

and I'm telling you I don't know who I think is scum.

I don't know what I read.

I need to walk through things in my head again quick here.

Just do a quick gut, and be honest. It takes five minutes. THats what I did.

Every time I do that people question me and I question me and it's a mess.

[hebichan]

hebi i'm telling you again to vote who you think is scum

and I'm telling you I don't know who I think is scum.

I don't know what I read.

I need to walk through things in my head again quick here.

Just do a quick gut, and be honest. It takes five minutes. THats what I did.

Hell you questioned me on my early gut reads... Like if you don't know how to explain your reads how can you expect me to?

[hebichan]

okay let's talk slysly. i think his claim contributed absolutely nothing but i don't think he's on a team with arcade pals.

I don't think arcade pals is on a team with GR, I think Arcade has acted scummy plenty but I don't see GR and AP on the same team.

[hebichan]

hebi i'm telling you again to vote who you think is scum

and I'm telling you I don't know who I think is scum.

I don't know what I read.

I need to walk through things in my head again quick here.

Just do a quick gut, and be honest. It takes five minutes. THats what I did.

Hell you questioned me on my early gut reads... Like if you don't know how to explain your reads how can you expect me to?

Well, maybe we are both unable to do effectively. But I think if you just let everything you think spill out, you give people something to read. It's interrogation, you have to expect challenges.

All that rolls out every game is that I'm no confident in my reads.

[hebichan]

not confident*

[hebichan]

Like... lycan, I get it... but why would scum try to counter wagon their doctor with their cop?

You think multiball is useless noise, so can you honestly say that two mafia power roles were bussing eachother?

[hebichan]

my other problem is how many lurkers there are, but how much of a trap it could be just to lynch one of them.

[hebichan]

GR voted for arcade twice, arcade barely mentions rb at all....

hmm...

[hebichan]

Why am I trying the hardest in a game that my effort doesn't directly serve my win condition in any way

because as soon as you don't we lynch you.

[hebichan]

Carcalilly is locktown imo
Trans should be town and if he's not I'm not even mad tbh

Hebi you don't understand. You can't Lynch me. You can only piss me off.

I mean, I'm about to just go with this set up is bad in general but, hey.

[hebichan]

can we have the pv replacement? hes been prodded over a day now.

[hebichan]

Does RC's partner have any incentive to out themselves?

[hebichan]

Don't hecking call the snake

But is nobody going to question the totally terrible fabrication of her claim??

Joins Narna gamble and says wants to be in a mason team -> Has PT confirmed -> Claims Mason for like all this time???

I didn't read much of the entire game but if someone confirmed her as a mason partner...?

I claimed my masn partner, not my fault he's a chronic v/la.

[hebichan]

I don't get the slysly town read tbh.

[hebichan]

Rc, what about the world where their roles are real but they are scum?

[hebichan]

Rc, what about the world where their roles are real but they are scum?

Whose sly or ap

either, but more likely AP. sly's role seems less likely to be scum.

[hebichan]

VOTE: LUV

at least Iw ont wonder why people keep shouting my name.

[hebichan]

Once RC started hard defending bins like that it should have been obvious that RC was scumsiding. Just saying.