The Mod Is Mafia (Game Over)

[Theta Alpine]

VOTE: mastina

for the omgus vote
you did not even try to give a reason for it

[Theta Alpine]

I confirmed without reading my role pm discuss

lies

the process to confirm was in the role pm
therefore in order to confirm you would have had to read your role pm

[Theta Alpine]

also i will be keeping a record of all posts i make in this game
and so if you need to see the original message it can be done

i may also try to ebwop them when i notice one of mine edited or missing
but that would be passive-aggressive warfare with the moderator so of course i will

p-edit
nope
it was the standard reply with the name of your role
so you are not confirmed

[Theta Alpine]

unless you had a different confirmation method

not sure why that would be

[Theta Alpine]

NEVER GONNA MAKE YOU CRY

[Theta Alpine]

NEVER GONNA SAY GOODBYE

[Theta Alpine]

how about this
we lynch mulch
and if he flips town we lynch you

ytho

cause it could also be that mastina just edited a lot of the posts that mulch made on her own and then got one of her scum-mates to make that comment

[Theta Alpine]

so you're saying one of them has to be scum?

no

i am saying that within the two of them it is more likely for there to be scum then looking elsewhere

[Theta Alpine]

Creature -- if you want to vote hebichan, why wouldn't you at least go and make a headcount of the votes?

the answer is obviously because creature is lazy
of course being creature this is nai

[Theta Alpine]

so you're saying one of them has to be scum?

no

i am saying that within the two of them it is more likely for there to be scum then looking elsewhere

That doesn't say much though.

If two players have a 50% chance of containing a scum, while the regular pool has 40%, then there's still a 50% chance of lynching town back to back. Why? How likely is it? I made up numbers but I see no reason to chain lynches before post 300.

true

but it would give a lot of information and we would probably still be at only 10:4 when it is all said and done in a worst-case scenario
best-case we get 14:1 tomorrow
assuming a scum!mulch is lynched and that not only does a vig get a kill on mafia but mafia also nk their traitor

[Theta Alpine]

@Stalfos; I feel like Nosferatu was trying too hard at the start of the game. Although reaching isn't really a scumtell that early in the game, they felt unusually aggressive this game- I recently played this game with them in which they were nothing like that. So, nothing strong, but I felt like it was worth a vote.

The vote on Mulch was because I feel like his interactions with mastina are theatrical. Like, mastina seems to be targeting Mulch more than anyone else, even saying his posts are being completely neutered when this does not seem to be happening to anyone else, and Mulch tries to use this to gain towncred in 164.

how about this
we lynch mulch
and if he flips town we lynch you

What's going on in these parts?

lurking
for me at least

ebwop

Yume has won a higher proportion of her town games this year than you have.
Maybe we should be policy lynching you, massive

i have won exactly 0 of my town games
i highly doubt anyone has done worse

and in my only completed scum game i replaced out and then my slot won
so yeah

ebwop

i did say i would do this

[Theta Alpine]

Some of mine did too

Shit I need to grunt through and finish my thread scraper after some box unpacking Wednesday. Still has a few days of work minimum though.

might do that myself

and maybe i will add a votecounter in for good measure
now to look and see if there is a good api i can use

[Theta Alpine]

i believe if a post is edited before any other post in the thread is made then it will not show the edit

[Theta Alpine]

sorry i have been somewhat absent

what did i miss

[Theta Alpine]

you have two extra hebichan votes listed for me which like is cool, the more the better

here's another for you
VOTE: hebichan

Yeah that small loop is off. Yay edge cases. Thanks Aronis.

If you vote using bold text please let me know as I would love it immensely if everyone would use the vote tags and proper spelling spacing and capitalization please

For now sleep.

uh

just remove whitespace and convert case to all lower and then you only have to worry about spelling

[Theta Alpine]

That is really expensive in terms of processing power with the find and replace for replacements taken into account.

As it is with my test game it goes about 100 pages a minute. Doing find and replace over the entire HTML is not cost effective.

And furthermore that assumes someone didn't use a nick like Math instead of MathBlade.

no you would not want to do string operations on the entire page
isolate the votes and do it on those

actually what are you using to do this

[Theta Alpine]

sorry i was gone for a while there

i was getting used to a new work schedule

it might take me a bit to get my bearings
but at least i am able to play now

[Theta Alpine]

i know

i am just responding to the troll

[Theta Alpine]

a bit

radiant moonlight was kind of suspect after the whole mulch thing
also i just realized

mastina voted yume
who got replaced and is now maestro

anyways
i might make a readslist
and then vote every person in the game in order from town to scum
since mastina cannot edit valid votes

i need to actually organize my thoughts of this game into one place first though

[Theta Alpine]

I could do Theta too.

I agree with this message

I can only lynch Theta not do him.

As a gender non binary lesbian/straight male gonna give a hard pass on doing Theta.

see for a while now i have given up correcting people on my pronoun
but this time the pronoun actually makes a difference
so
*her

back to the game itself
i am actually able to sit down and do stuff right now
so i will go ahead and make that reads list i said i would make earlier
if you have any questions for me just ask

[Theta Alpine]

to be perfectly honest
i never announced my v/la in the game thread
people voting me were more likely to be either town or they were scum trying specifically not to be on the mulch lynch

mm4
i do not remember their play being all that good when i was active

does ghostlin have a good reason for keeping a vote on you

[Theta Alpine]

important question before i post something

is anyone at l-1
cause my next post will have votes on everyone and i do not want to accidentally hammer

[Theta Alpine]

well i just checked and the answer should be no
so

VOTE: grapes
VOTE: mathblade
VOTE: not_mafia

VOTE: mulch

VOTE: aronis
VOTE: smocaine
VOTE: kise
VOTE: ghostlin

VOTE: theta alpine

VOTE: massive
VOTE: camn
VOTE: diamondsentinel
VOTE: maestro

VOTE: ginngie

VOTE: stalfos
VOTE: mariomaniac4
VOTE: radiant moonlight
VOTE: mastina

[Theta Alpine]

but ... why

i thought it would be obvious

an organized list of people starting with a universally townread person and ending with the

only confirmed scum

and my traditional placing myself as true null within the list
it is a reads list
that cannot be modified or removed by the mod

Better question: why did you place Mastina at the end of that list?

i kind of said it in there

i put mulch in because i wanted a divider between town and null-town

Theta was a town fueled counterwagon to Mulch, who got a ton of votes once the Theta wagon took the lead.

and how does this support your statement that i am scum

[Theta Alpine]

People that stayed off the Mulch wagon all day joined when it looked like you were going to be the lynch.

that may have had more to do with the fact that mulch was hard-pushing me
he kind of dug his own grave there

??? He dug his own grave all phase and no one cared.

Mulch iso: ctrl+f "Theta" 5 matches

uh no
more like 15
there are two pages

[Theta Alpine]

Hi grapes. How is Aronis town?

aronis town because from what i know this is what he does as town

well normally he goes for pagetops more
but since the mod can just straight up delete them or otherwise make them not pagetops i think he toned down on that

also stalfos let me ask you something

where is mulchs readslist

[Theta Alpine]

the point was to make it clear which way the list was meant to be read

[Theta Alpine]

That's...not my point. My point is the last person is hopefully the person you wanna vote, so why place a No Vote for the mod?

oh

that is because i still have not figured out which of my 3 major scumreads i actually want to vote.

[Theta Alpine]

also stalfos let me ask you something

where is mulchs readslist

Okay. So.

Mulch didn't make a readslist and have it deleted afaik, so you're not exactly making a great argument for why you needed to make such a huge fuss over your unalterable readslist. You're trying to solve a problem that doesn't yet exist.

In addition, a plain readslist means nearly nothing on its own, same in this game as others. Mulch's reads haven't vanished from the game, it's just that players trust their own judgement more, and him making a fancy list out of votes would not fix that. Creature was scumreading MM4 before his death and we know that even though nearly all the posts about it are gone, but if you've been paying attention to the case against her you'll realise

reads on their own aren't enough.

In a hypothetical world where you have died and flipped town, this readslist is going to mean very little unless we have a reason to trust it and I don't see any of that.

It just looks like an attempt to look busy without actually contributing, made worse by the way you're overstating how "useful" it is.


-Key

mulch did make a reads list before i went v/la
it is now gone

also i usually do not care about pronoun as long as i know who is being referred to

[Theta Alpine]

also stalfos let me ask you something

where is mulchs readslist

Okay. So.

Mulch didn't make a readslist and have it deleted afaik, so you're not exactly making a great argument for why you needed to make such a huge fuss over your unalterable readslist. You're trying to solve a problem that doesn't yet exist.

In addition, a plain readslist means nearly nothing on its own, same in this game as others. Mulch's reads haven't vanished from the game, it's just that players trust their own judgement more, and him making a fancy list out of votes would not fix that. Creature was scumreading MM4 before his death and we know that even though nearly all the posts about it are gone, but if you've been paying attention to the case against her you'll realise

reads on their own aren't enough.

In a hypothetical world where you have died and flipped town, this readslist is going to mean very little unless we have a reason to trust it and I don't see any of that.

It just looks like an attempt to look busy without actually contributing, made worse by the way you're overstating how "useful" it is.


-Key

there were two reasons why i did not put my reasons into the list

the first was that i do not have reasons other than gut for quite a few

the second was that it should be known looking back that i did not put reasons onto the list
so if reasons get edited in by mastina they should be ignored

it would be much more difficult if i had reasons included in the list and some or all of my reasons got changed

the reason i am advertising the usefulness is two-fold
because people asked me
and because it would be nice if other people used the same format for their reads lists
maybe not the exact same
but just use votes in order of town - scum so that they remain after death

[Theta Alpine]

okay we have a week to figure out what to do
so how about we figure it out soon to avoid deadline lynching

[Theta Alpine]

Anyway, I obviously have thoughts that have formed while reading the game, BUT I feel like it would help if people were still ACTUALLY ACTIVELY POSTING.

sorry for my own contribution to this problem

any questions you have for me while i am here

[Theta Alpine]

Math - Surprisingly, most of what they are saying seems to be genuine. ISOing them is full of poor reasoning and anecdotes, but it's safe to assume that they genuinely believe their bull crap. The biggest exception to this is 1985, which screams fake. Of course, it's sarcastic and belittling, so that might be the reason it reads like that, but I can't ignore this post.

So you think they are genuine (=town?), but think they suck as town?

mathblade is not exactly known for his excellent town play
not that he is bad
he just has a different style that people tend to bash him on

any questions you have for me while i am here

If you had to dayvig someone right now, who would it be and why? :]0

i would say diamond but i actually want to see the rest of their reads

so i will say mariomaniac4 because they have not been replaced yet

although radiant moonlight is a close second cause they were the slot pushing mulch the most
which i guess could mean they are town
but that is wifom

[Theta Alpine]

I don't suppose you're able to tell us what went on with you and the PM stuff?

Probably not.

I wouldn't risk it. Just that it isn't alignment indicative and imho would have no impact but to be transparent I had to call it out. However if said person who PM'd me that message I am more than willing to respond here.

i was under the assumption that cluttering the thread here with bug reports would - in fact - be in bad taste and possibly more against the rules then just private messaging you the bug report like i did

that said i will go ahead and admit that i caused the fiasco by sending mathblade an error i experienced with his votecount tool over a private message
well and a suggestion to make it better
but no content directly related to the game that was not included within the error itself

[Theta Alpine]

It's pretty scummy giving us 3 week deadlines.

To the point where I'd probably locktown an L-1 and/or hammer vote on diamond in the next 10 minutes.

if there were more than 5 days left in the day i would change my read on you for this

also totally agree with you there unabombah
course i also get the omgus excuse

which i am still not going to take cause he has not given his reads on everyone yet

[Theta Alpine]

Morning everyone. I have good news and bad news.

Bad news first is that there isn't much time left in the day and we may end up with a no lynch which... lolfuckthisgamesohard.

The good news is that

diamondsentinal is confirmed scum.

Please vote him in your next post.

if you are wrong you are the next lynch
hope you realize this
i mean there really is not a way you will survive to night 4 now

VOTE: diamondsentinel

[Theta Alpine]

and how is diamond confirmed scum?

Just trust me.

I forgot the lynch was plurality though so this may have been a misplay.

Kinda don't really care though.

I hope you eat rope for this fake cop claim.

i doubt it
also just realized
if you flip town the vig can just shoot grapes and that way we save rope for more scum

[Theta Alpine]

FTR if DS flips town, I disagree that grapes should be vigged. I'd like an answer for the misplay

okay

do you have a better suggestion if diamond flips town
also a suggestion for if diamond flips scum would be nice as well

[Theta Alpine]

oh boy

whoever it was that lock-towned grapes
you were almost certainly wrong
and yes i know i am partially included in that list

i would vote grapes now
but i could totally see grapes self-hammering so i am not even going to bring his wagon to l-2
you will full-claim now grapes
and yes
this was definitely a misplay

[Theta Alpine]

Morning everyone. I have good news and bad news.

Bad news first is that there isn't much time left in the day and we may end up with a no lynch which... lolfuckthisgamesohard.

The good news is that

diamondsentinal is confirmed scum.

Please vote him in your next post.

and how is diamond confirmed scum?

Just trust me.

I forgot the lynch was plurality though so this may have been a misplay.

Kinda don't really care though.

[Theta Alpine]

Yea this game's especially fucked now.

I'm a jailkeeper and thought diamond must have been fakeclaiming because lol alien and jailkeeper in the same setup...
My thought process was pretty much that I was already not sure what world exists where some of diamond's posting comes from town; also wanted to keep my role under wraps and make sure the lynch went through.

I might've not even had to claim anything if not for the lame wagon that crept up on aronis towards the end. I'm townreading him for the most part and it looked scumdriven to save diamond so kinda paniced.

I jailed math N1 and didn't get a chance to action N2- my fault been busy.

in this game you thought the mod giving town 2 of the same role was unlikely

in this game
the one where the mod wins with mafia and thus has no obligation to prevent such misunderstandings

[Theta Alpine]

Mastina NK's Aronis

Anyone disagree with that plan?

yeah well i do not have to fake this

[Theta Alpine]

yeah

glad you agree
VOTE: smocaine

[Theta Alpine]

giving town 2 nearly identical roles is actually fairly likely now that i think about it

[Theta Alpine]

see this is why you were a good vig target grapes

it would have spared us pretty much the entire conversation this day has had

[Theta Alpine]

and i just got back too

if i remember correctly from the catch-up i was doing that is a hammer

so uh

good luck town
scum is almost certainly being very active this game

[Theta Alpine]

if i remember correctly from the catch-up i was doing that is a hammer

Wait what?
I didn't even think that was a possibility!

This is why we fucking need more votecounts.
If I accidentally hammered you there, I'm sorry, and I'm also done with this game.

honestly i am kind of surprised we did not have an accidental hammer up until now
anyways i can probably make a reads list real quick

town=
mathblade
camn
toranga
unabombah
grapes

scum=
stalfos
radiant moonlight
aronis
smocaine

i did not place myself on the list cause i am about to flip anyways
but everyone else that i did not put on the list could be scum if i am wrong with my proposed scum team

[Theta Alpine]

i honestly still think i got lynched
i was at l-2 and then 2 people voted me

[Theta Alpine]

alright so i was wrong
also to whoever said that mastina did that on purpose
first of all mastina has guaranteed that votecounts will be as accurate as possible
second that was ginngie
not mastina

that having been said
i am a vanilla townie
so at least you would not be lynching a power role i guess

[Theta Alpine]

i appear to have gotten camn and kise mixed up in my reads list
sorry about that

camn did do votecounts for a bit
but i believe it was agreed that it was nai at best

my scum read on you is for the same reason that i voted you earlier today
you know
because you told mastina to do the night kill in this thread

Didn't Kise vote you days two and three as well? And even though you got camn and Kise mixed up, you give reasons to tr camn. You're trying to appease.

yes i gave my reasons for my null read on camn
because you asked me for the reasons for my read on camn

and just because someone votes me does not mean they are scum
i am fully aware of the fact that i am lynchbait in pretty much all of my games up to this point

[Theta Alpine]

why is kise scum again

i mean seriously why do you think he is scum

[Theta Alpine]

okay that does make sense

but i do not really put that much trust in the iso
since the mod can delete posts

[Theta Alpine]

Actually I've got a quick question what is your own read on kise or do you not have one because his iso might have some posts deleted or what exactly did you mean there. I'm sorry if this comes off sarcastic but it's going to come off that way inherently because of my last post which was more of a joke but you couldn't tell that because I'm serious a majority of the time because mafia is serious business.

ah okay

originally i was somewhat townreading him
but it has kind of fallen to a null-scum read at this point

i remember he had some good points that got deleted
that was the reason for my townread initially

however now he is sort of lurking and the whole deal with your false guilty has kind of messed with my reads

[Theta Alpine]

Ug. Worst 1v1 ever.

agree completely

i really do not know what to think about this game right now

[Theta Alpine]

oh right this game is still a thing

sorry about my activity it is just that well
this game has been slow

[Theta Alpine]

i think rm thought i would be the lynch and thought he could get cred for being one of the few people to townread me

[Theta Alpine]

well here is my last list for reference

VOTE: grapes killed night 3 and was town
VOTE: mathblade
VOTE: not_mafia

VOTE: mulch

VOTE: aronis
VOTE: smocaine
VOTE: kise
VOTE: ghostlin

VOTE: theta alpine

VOTE: massive killed night 2 and was town
VOTE: camn
VOTE: diamondsentinel lynched day 2 and was town
VOTE: maestro

VOTE: ginngie

VOTE: stalfos
VOTE: mariomaniac4 killed night 3 and was town
VOTE: radiant moonlight lynched day 3 and was scum
VOTE: mastina

and now my current list

VOTE: mathblade still think you are town
VOTE: aronis cause i cannot distinguish your play in this game from another game in which you were town
VOTE: ghostlin you would be null for a general lack of posts except i think a few of your good posts got deleted since i last looked

VOTE: stalfos i still do not like your early game push on mulch but yesterday you atoned for that
VOTE: not_mafia kind of sorta feels like you are lurking now
VOTE: kise not sure what to think about you now

VOTE: unabombah i have never really been impressed by your slot and yesterday you did not exactly play well
VOTE: smocaine you really want me to get mislynched now that town actually has something of a chance
VOTE: camn i saw you asking kise to vote rm and i think you knew it would be a hammer

[Theta Alpine]

you could at least explain why it makes no sense
or make your own

[Theta Alpine]

Fifty-second Votecount

:

(First Votecount D4)

UnaBombaH - 4 (Kise, camn, Stalfos, Smocaine)

Kise - 2 (UnaBombaH Math)

Not Voting - 0 (Everyone else)

With

10

alive, it takes

6

to lynch.

At deadline,

UnaBombaH

would be lynched.

Day Four's deadline is Wednesday, January 3rd, @ 7:00 PM PST: (expired on 2018-01-03 23:00:15).

Your bottom four are Smocaine Kise UnabombaH and Camn

Do you seriously think that scum are bussing here?

yes

[Theta Alpine]

Then you aren’t helping them bus in your opinion because?

because i want to avoid a repeat of yesterday where we quickhammered and ended discussion early

[Theta Alpine]

yeah

by the way is there anyone that the majority of people scumread
since you know it would help to know what everyone else thinks

[Theta Alpine]

considering it was titus and radiant i highly doubt their reads will be very useful for us to go over

[Theta Alpine]

ugh give me a moment to catch up

[Theta Alpine]

it's actually whoever is the oldest

in other words it is lazy
and yes i am pretty sure that is the proper term for it

the system handles ties by doing nothing
therefore whenever a vote is made that causes a tie whoever was last going to be lynched at deadline before the vote remains the person who will be lynched at deadline

[Theta Alpine]

Not_Mafia is on the above VC twice I think.

Nothing much to claim, I'm a VT.

After lynching me, you have a MyLo to work, right?
I really hope town can still salvage this, and am honestly sorry I was more of a burden than a help..

My gut still says kise is surely scum, and I often get one right even when I otherwise suck!

no we do not definitely have mylo
we go down to 8 alive with either 6/2 or 5/3 if the vig does not shoot
if the vig shoots we have one of 6/1 5/3 5/2 or 4/3

if you are town we have one of 5/3 5/2 or 4/3 the next day
if you are scum we get one of 6/2 6/1 or 5/2 the next day

so no we do not for sure have mylo the next day whether or not you are town
i also do not think you are town so i am rather confident we will not have to deal with mylo right now

so now i think it is time to VOTE: unabombah

l-1

mathblade i assume you have reservations about this lynch
and not_mafia has expressed reservations and i would like to hear the reason behind them

[Theta Alpine]

VOTE: Theta

i did ask you a question
you could at least respond to it

[Theta Alpine]

If I'm lynched tonight, tomorrow will be 5-3. Almost willing to bank on it.
5-2 (assuming a good Vig-shot) would not be MyLo, but if we are worse off, it's gonna be 4-3(LyLo).
We landed our first scum D3, no successful Vig-shots yet, so... (not bashing on the Vig, not even a little. Just saying we can't trust on them to turn it around for us)

So 2/3 scenarios has us in MyLo/LyLo if you lynch me.

that would be assuming you are town
i highly doubt that to be the case though

p-edit
really
because i do not see it that way

[Theta Alpine]

i have already explained why unabombah was scum
and that has not been deleted but just to be safe

i do not like anything their slot has done throughout the entire game

[Theta Alpine]

it has been on camn
though i did provide a reason against changing my vote earlier
being that i did not want a quick hammer before everyone had checked in

[Theta Alpine]

it did not feel right
and i do still scum read camn
i just know that likely is not going to be a lynch at this point

[Theta Alpine]

seriously

vote unabombah people

[Theta Alpine]

well great

3 of you are town
3 of you are scum

and i have no clue which is which
my reads are obviously wrong
so i do need to reset a bit

on a side note
it looks like my straight record of town not winning any of my games will continue

[Theta Alpine]

I think Ghostie is my top lynch prospect for today as of right now. Like Theta is prettty scummy but the way a whole bunch of people have sort of just fallen into scumreading her seems off to me.

But still

well great

3 of you are town
3 of you are scum

and i have no clue which is which
my reads are obviously wrong
so i do need to reset a bit

on a side note
it looks like my straight record of town not winning any of my games will continue

"no clue"?
3337 looks like a vig claiming to me. I'd expect town struggling for reads to have picked up on something like that.

i was sort of suspicious of everything when i made that post
but seeing the lack of a counterclaim puts me at ease

math is probably town also
my initial doubt in him this day has dissipated

i just need to figure out who is town between you ghostlin and kise now

that said i think camn is scum this game

[Theta Alpine]

wait a moment it was camn that did the whole ghostlin is conf-town thing

alright it is between stalfos and kise for the last town between me math and not mafia

[Theta Alpine]

their play this game makes sense with that role
so i do think not mafia is a vig
and i do not think that mafia would have a vig even in this game

[Theta Alpine]

happy new year everyone

and ghostlin
it is time for you to claim

[Theta Alpine]

VOTE: mathbalde

on a side note

why would town ever do this
i mean i doubt all of the scum would have been able to quick hammer at that point
but still

if you were town you risked losing the game just to make a point

[Theta Alpine]

wait a moment it was camn that did the whole ghostlin is conf-town thing

alright it is between stalfos and kise for the last town between me math and not mafia

so

i was looking for the claim kise made in his iso
when i realized i may have forgotten it was grapes that was the target of the whole conf-town shenanigans
and not ghostlin

that said other than the whole daycop thing
i do not see a claim in your iso kise
might as well reiterate it

i for one am a vanilla townie

[Theta Alpine]

I was daycop yes

no

seriously no
you never gave results
you never really were serious about it before
and it was sketchy when you claimed as you were not at l-1 or being asked to claim

We are massclaim? I am VT.

no that was not what i meant to start
i had already given my claim earlier and kise had apparently done so as well

though honestly it probably is time for a massclaim
what with 4 out of 7 of us having claimed now

and kise
claiming means including results

[Theta Alpine]

i suggest we wait and see whether ghostlin appears or not
and if not either lynch ghostlin or wait for a replacement to get here

[Theta Alpine]

the problem with that is that i think not mafia is town

[Theta Alpine]

camn/kise/ghostlin

[Theta Alpine]

why would it have to be just me and not mafia at this point

[Theta Alpine]

for the record i think ghostlin is scum and i highly doubt they will actually be around to quickhammer anytime soon

[Theta Alpine]

i think i just realized another potential reason for the lack of quickhammer

not mafia is a vig
we are not in true lylo

[Theta Alpine]

well at least i had camn correct
honestly i am not really sure if i will be playing any other games anytime soon though
town has lost every single one of my games so far and that is getting demoralizing