A Mid-Scummer Night's Dream - D.S. al Fine

[serrapaladin]

Sup. So this seems fun.

130 pages - nbd.

An executive summary until I'm caught up would be swell though, if anyone would be so kind.

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If you could claim what your predecessor voted on days 1 and 2 (day and moonlight) that'd be helpful, thanks.

Just got these through from morph. Guess there's no reason to keep these hidden? Just someone else confirm this and I'll post them.

Starting to read up now, but probably won't make through the whole game tonight. Would still appreciate at least a quick rundown of significant events / claims, or at least pointers to which phases had most mechanically-relevant stuff happen.

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Alright, nachotammy didn't vote at all until night 2, when they voted for dream 1 (whatever that means), and they're currently also voting for dream 1, but I've been told I can change that as much as I want until end of moonrise (which I guess is like extended twilight or something?)

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So to be clear

Day two they did not vote for a dream at all, but on moonlight two, they voted dream 1?

Yup.

Starting to work my way through the pages, but am unlikely to have anything productive to say about things tonight.

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@brian: how confident are you (a %age would be nice) in your LLD read that you'd be willing to forgo potential clears to lynch her today?

Still not fully caught up, but am getting townvibes from Sakura and Ceph for semi-setup reasons.

Do we think that everyone including scum gets to vote for dreams? And does everyone find out whether their vote actually counted in moonrise?

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I kinda think you're both town from this tbh.

Desperado I don't really have a read on from his posts I've read, but having been the counter wagon d1 with a vote from baku has me thinking town. Syry's play eeems to fit scum-apathy (with a badly performing team?) somewhat well though. I think for lack of a better alternative I'll

VOTE: thewayitends

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Do we think that everyone including scum gets to vote for dreams? And does everyone find out whether their vote actually counted in moonrise?

I have no idea, and Ceph's ability was 1-shot so RIP any way of figuring that out.

This reads off-the-cuff and like she's genuinely unhappy with Ceph's play

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Stop spamming, yo.

Actually had a look at the context of baku's desp vote and desp in day 1 and that could still work as both being scum. Would be happy to vote their too

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@brian: how confident are you (a %age would be nice) in your LLD read that you'd be willing to forgo potential clears to lynch her today?

Enough that she's my preferred lynch. %'s are dumb and I don't use those.

Eh, suboptimal play because of overconfident reads is a bit of a pet peeve of mine. I'm not fussed about an absolute percentage, and obviously I don't know exactly how strongly you feel about this read. Assuming you're town, you should consider whether, every time you're this confident in a read on a claimed investigative, you would have a net positive by lynching scum early, or a net negative by denying a town PR more investigations (and if genuine potentially drawing the NK). It's also worth considering that in this relatively large game with roles being given out we may well have other options for sorting LLD.

I'm leaning towards scum being unable to receive dreams, but I'd imagine that either way, there will be some town that can't? Sakura's claimed role is still quite weird. What happens if she targets someone who isn't dream receptive?

wait, is being receptive an ability of yours drealz, or just flavor?

isnt dream receptive everyone?

I'm quite interested in both parts of this quote.

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Assuming you're town, you should consider whether, every time you're this confident in a read on a claimed investigative, you would have a net positive by lynching scum early, or a net negative by denying a town PR more investigations (and if genuine potentially drawing the NK). It's also worth considering that in this relatively large game with roles being given out we may well have other options for sorting LLD.

I wouldn't be voting her if I didn't genuinely think she was scum. I understand what optimal play is, and am the type to go for what I consider optimal play if I think the person in question is town or am just really unsure. However, I'm also the type to lynch players I think are scum regardless of what they've claimed.

You think that it's still early and that it's

only

Day 3. To me, it's

already

Day 3 and we're down two mislynches (Nos; the mason lovers).

I have no interest in being taken for a ride by the scumteam just because people are too scared to lynch a claimed investigative role. I don't think that's good play and never will. If you don't like the lynch choice, then you can either A) convince me that she's town, B) talk to me about my second preferred lynch (Smith), or C) convince me that another lynch will flip scum.

Are you sure you're not just (fake-)tunnelling here to avoid having to deal with the other wagons? Even if you think LLD is 100% the right lynch, I don't think it's happening.

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Are you sure you're not just (fake-)tunnelling here to avoid having to deal with the other wagons? Even if you think LLD is 100% the right lynch, I don't think it's happening.

What wagon would I be avoiding? Other than Smith, who is being voted by the person you're voting (and for what seems to be a joke), I think everyone else is town (or Hebi, who isn't getting lynched today).

Your current view of the gamestate is that scum-LLD claimed an inno on scum-hebi?

I feel mixed about maria, but think twie or desp are pretty good lynches today. Don't really see how you (or anyone else) is getting town from low-effort syry. I could see a clean null if you think he just didn't get into the mafia here.

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140 pages is loads, and I'm not really one to talk as I still haven't read the full thing in detail, but TWIE so far looks like he's hoping to avoid the issue until DL.

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Kind of got town vibes from Maria. Let's not nl please

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@Sakura do you think Drealm's argument with you is scum-motivated?

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Why desp over twie?

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VOTE: desp

Fair enough. I guess there's a good chance this is all the time we get. L-1

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I'm happy with a mass claim. Kind of don't think scum!lld would claim an inno on her buddy..

I remember the picture from the Vc from when it made rounds in London and should point out that it's a right wing hoax. Not particularly keen on it being posted without that context.

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this is a dream / fantastical themed game

Eh, some of the images have just looked a bit fantastical and futuristic. Anyways, why do you think I'm scum?

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I would be keen on popcorn massclaiming followed by sakura's target claiming who they are. We should claim dream related aspects, but not necessarily specific targets.

If no 'dreamer' is by default dream-unreceptive, that might indicate that most scum are.

Also did anyone ever get any further insight into what the nightmare n2 was? Was it like a 1-shot scum ability, or did it maybe have to do with something like adulterating the dream by sakura having targeted scum?

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my counterargument though, is that if the person did not receive the power, then they are not dream receptive, and therefore likely caught scum.

Which we would find out by giving the watcher opportunity to claim that they got the power, not by having sakura claim who received it.

Given LLD's claimed inno, while I'm starting to disbelieve it, I'm fine with keeping smith to claim last.

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I'm also VT.

Smith?

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Wait, you were told that nightmare was a scum ability?

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So dreamer flavour + lack of dream-unreceptive claims (again if anyone is, please confirm) has me thinking that scum are unreceptive, (although I suppose they might have a way of making themselves receptive or others unreceptive). Nonetheless I think Sakura can basically act as some sort of fruitvendor/cop, since I don't think unreceptive players could use the 1-shot abilities given, and probably wouldn't know they were targeted.

I think that means we should try to get 1-shot abilities and every day have the recipient claim that they got it (including today).

I don't think Hider really fits in the game tbh. The other roles are all bespoke and related to the dreams, while the standard roles are distributed as dreams.

I also just realised that we can probably tell the number of scum from ceph's thing, if they can't vote on it?

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@ceph: did you not vote for either dream n2, and do you get the dream-VC when it was hammered or in total?

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@all: have you been getting acknowledgement PMs for moonrise votes?

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I'm trying to figure out how your role is meant to be used, because I'm p sure ffery/Cabd/Vi would have something interesting in mind and wouldn't just red herring it.

If everyone can vote on dreams and you get the count at hammer, that's not really very interesting. It's possible everyone can vote, but the masons (or 2 scum. or 1 each) happened not to. But it makes the most interesting mechanic if scum can't vote and it can be used to partition town/scum, although if that's the case I think that'd suggest there are only 2 scum left (and that power might be pretty OP).

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Me neither, which suggests we have something wrong?

Did maybe the masons dying cause the nightmare? The flip says they're 'modified' in some way.

How would you feel about follow-the-BP-hopefully-kinda-cop until scum are forced to waste a shot on Sakura?

I kind of think LLD is more likely scum than town at this point, but a no-lynch or 2 might also help with her claimed role.

I would say for setup reasons it seems likely that either Sakura's role can be used as a cop, or we actually do have a hider.

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My gut tells me that game-design wise the nightmare wasn't a scum ability. It's just more fun to give scum targeted roles and have nightplay require skill. I'm thinking it's the sort of thing that would be related to maybe scum being lynched D1, or the modified mason lovers dying N2.

I'm a bit worried that not all of the claimed dream-roles are town. Forcing scum to all claim VT by having specifically themed town-roles without either fakeclaims or ambivalent scum PRs seems not great. Ceph's, Sakura's, and Smith's are all pretty trivially verifiable, so if scum those would have to be actual scum roles.

I don't get as strong a TvT vibe between Sakura and Maria as I did with drealm earlier. Sakura was pretty reasonable in pointing out a missing explanation, and I don't think Maria's attitude of "well you could have just asked me" is reasonable - she's just being obstinate, either as a way of deflecting or because she just is obstinate.

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Well, certainly if someone claims to be dream receptive and doesn't receive the ability from sakura that'd make me pretty suspicious. And I doubt all scum are dream receptive and can vote because otherwise so much of this game is essentially a red herring

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VOTE: twie

Would also be pretty happy to no-lynch.

I do think setup stuff is gonna sort LLD one way or another.

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That's only relevant if lld is town, so at least no-lynch is preferable to lynching lld.

I've played a few games with syry, albeit a while a go, but I'd be very surprised if he's suddenly readable based on enjoyment, and even if that was the case the circumstances of his replacing out mitigate that somewhat.

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wait jk mafia just hit the vest zzz

At which point we NL again? We've not flipped pro-town PRs so extra nights seem like a good thing.

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@reg, what do you think about the fact you're still alive?

And what's your view on cephs claimed role? Given he's in your scum pool how does that all work?

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How do we have Maria and lld leading a lynch? I'm not keen on that.

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VOTE: maria

I'm back at a PC so should be able to make some longer posts going forward.

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VOTE: No lynch

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I'm also not opposed to voting LLD, to see how scum!LLD's buddies react, but if she somehow is town, that's game.

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Can whoever got the watcher shot please claim?

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I don't see ceph being scum here, neither by play nor by role. I also don't see town!lld's claimed role existing, but being useless. I think lld has painted herself into a corner, as there really isn't a sensible gamestate with her as town.

I think she's bussing one of twie and drealmerz, and falsely cleared one of hebi and regfan. Of the former, I'm not really sure, but between the latter I do think being able to receive and send on the dream mildly suggests reg is more likely town. I guess there's also a chance it's twie and drealmerz, so I'm looking at lld + 2 of {twie, dreal, hebi}.

I don't really see this game making sense otherwise, so I think it's worth considering lynching lld today on the off chance we get a vig/doc or something giving us another shot to spare (maybe dream 2?). OTOH maybe whatever ability we get when no-lynching is going to do more to clear this up.

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The world where my results are TRUE and the world where my results are FALSE POSITIVES due to dream sensitivity interactions. In this post, I will discuss both worlds.

In the world where my results are true, the end result is very simple. Hebi and Regfan are conf. town. Sakura is basically town by ability. Leaving 4 options, Ceph/Serra/TWIE/Drealmerz.

Of those 4, Serra is the most town, based on

Cephrir's ability being more useful to scum than town

, Drealmerz being a scummy fuck and TWIE being a lurk fuck.

So Drealmerz/Cephrir/TWIE, probably.

Please explain why you think this is the case?

It rather looks to me that LLD saw she was running out of suspects so made up an interpretation of his ability in order to sell a scumread on him.

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Nah we're not lynching anyone but lld today. In a town - lld world no lynch is definitely the move

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^ like this is the only hard no you can have and still have the wagon go through.

?

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Run me through this a little more since the only argument I can see here is "If she's town she targets someone else if we NL and we get more information" but that's kind of meh in that if we're NL'ing she shouldn't be hiding at all since if she's town and we NL and she hides behind someone if it's mafia we outright lose, if it's town mafia shoot that person and two people die and we lose. So like, isn't the opposite the case? If we're playing in the LLD!Town world lynching elsewhere here is the move since it means she can hide tonight if we hit.

The only scenario I can see in which lld is town is if her role is fucky, in which case I would always take another night instead.

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Eh, I don't really agree with that, I think we're badly lacking power here and think her role to a degree solves that, my issue is more with the usage of her role and play throughout the game than the claim itself.

So who is scum in a town!lld world then? And does LLD genuinely believe that Ceph's role makes more sense as scum?

VOTE: LLD

Hey mathblade, can you please asap claim your role and actions.

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With 8 alive, it takes 6 to lynch.

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In addition to your lack of math.

There has been a full claim and you can have claiming work in your benefit by matching up with your predecessor without going through the game.

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Meh.

Alright drealm, let's go through this: what's your view on how this game makes any sense then? You think scum get to direct roles? What then stops them from always killing their target? (I agree it's possible given the targets, but would seem like a horrible design.)

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I don't want to metagame too much, but I should point out that I had to poke morph for them to tell me which dreams NachoTammy voted for.

We have Sakura knowing Reg got his, but I guess there's no evidence it's directed rather than that she just gets knowledge.

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But actually, I also asked morph whether "A randomly selected dream-receptive player will acquire a 1-shot ability." contradicts Sakura's claimed role, and was told it wouldn't according to the special rules (in particular rule 11 iirc).

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So I'm fairly confident that the role is real, given that rule 12 otherwise doesn't make sense.

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Haven't flavour claimed iirc, but then the flipped scum was super-evil-fear-eating-Doctorr-Who-villain.

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You really think there wouldn't be fake claims when one of the roles was almost literally a dream eater and firmly evil? Cobb from Inception is a bit grey in parts, but still firmly a good guy. I'm a guy called Paul Tholey who did research on Gestalt psychology and lucid dreaming.

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@dreal: Could you comment further on how you think the game works with Sakura's role as scum?

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Go on...

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What are you on about? I'm like 95% sure you're not gonna catch scum on flavour so just say what you mean so we can move on?

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This wagon is all confirmed Town on hebichan.

1) under your assumption that reg is town? And 2) so?

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Not really, no.

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Hey Regfan, I did chime into say that the desperado slot seemed more scum to me than baku, you are right.

I still read that way, I appreciate that I was at least wrong about baku, and that me making a counterwagon might seem scummy, but at the same time those were my reads.

I'll get back to you on the rest of your read on me.

My role isn't actually alignment indicative, My role is just that I am the target for dreams more often.

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Oh and also LLD had just claimed an inno on hebi.

I actually kind of think that the confusion wrt what the dream receptive bit of role pms means is a town reactions.

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Ugh, no. Just read and stop being silly

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Yes lld is scum and claimed an inno on hebi, who may or may not be scum

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Assume LLD is a genuine hider here. Then Smith dying does not make sense. Hebi would need to die first.

Let me ask this: what the hell are you talking about?

She's saying scum would kill cleared targets if the hider is real.

I do disagree though that it's much more likely one of drealmerz7 and reg are scum than ceph.

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Yeah I just don't see at all how it would make sense for scum, nor how ceph's play with it makes any sense if he is scum. Do you disagree?

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It's not just the role though, it's also when he decided to use it and claim, and how defensive he got over suggestions he misplayed it.

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Look at the picture for the Japanese gang.

The Japanese gang has been mentioned MULTIPLE times in flavor.

Hebichan has "chan" in it. A Japanese Honorific

I am thinking when Hebichan performs the kill that Hebichan is LOUD and the flavor reflects that kill or action.

Are you okay?

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I'm actually not sure whether this is a joke or math has gone full conspiracy-nut.

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@morph

: Hey, random question: would you put thinly veiled references to the player names of scum in the flavour? Thanks.

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@morph

: Hey, random question: would you put thinly veiled references to the player names of scum in the flavour? Thanks.

We would not.

Okay then someone of scum has Japanese flavor.

I hope someone is a flavor cop in this.

Maybe, but even if so, the claims we are going to get are almost certainly fakeclaims, and probably mod-supplied at that. We've massclaimed and there is no flavour cop.

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I think the flavour-tell antics are NAI tbh and I'm pretty sure MB is town. Mostly for setup reasons, but also Sakura's replace-out felt pretty genuine. With 1 mislynch to go I'd have expected scum!sakura to just lurk her way to the end.

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^ I'm pretty impressed if the above and subsequent reactions to the play being poor come from scum

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Does anyone actually disagree with LLD being scum and if no can we please at least try running her up before deadline?

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I think it's very unlikely a dream will change my desire to lynch LLD tomorrow. I think it's actually more likely we somehow gain another day after lynching correctly today. Also given the large number needed to lynch I think it'd be interesting how the wagon develops.

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I think I'm incredibly town this game

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You don't get to call yourself incredibly town though Ceph

And anyways hebi doesn't need to be scum for you to be town. I do struggle a bit with whether scum!LLD would actually fakeclaim an inno to save a buddy. Just looking at LLD's play, I think her stance towards Reg (kind of soft bussing along with the "you need to keep me alive so I can check him" stuff) makes more sense as buddies than outright claiming to save hebi. That reads more like hard buddying tbh

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You don't get to call yourself incredibly town though Ceph

And anyways hebi doesn't need to be scum for you to be town. I do struggle a bit with whether scum!LLD would actually fakeclaim an inno to save a buddy. Just looking at LLD's play, I think her stance towards Reg (kind of soft bussing along with the "you need to keep me alive so I can check him" stuff) makes more sense as buddies than outright claiming to save hebi. That reads more like hard buddying tbh

Nope LLD and Regfan are not buddies.

0% chance of that.

Go on. If one of your points is that Reg gave you BP, I think the order of events was that Sakura hadn't yet claimed, so giving her the shot is actually a bit weird given that there were slots like the mastina hydra alive.

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What are you on about. Sakura (for some ungodly reason) claimed she received BP from Regfan, which he confirmed.

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And so because his townreads are unreasonable good for page 10 or something that makes him town? Reg is obviously known to be decent at town, so if he was actually nailing the game from page 10 how on Earth is he still alive?

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What are you on about. Sakura (for some ungodly reason) claimed she received BP from Regfan, which he confirmed.

Assume this is true (of which I neither confirm nor deny) then why would scum give the BP to a townie?

This also implies that scum could be night killed at some point possibly.

Look I'm sorry that Sakura claimed receiving BP, but you're not really helping the situation by now trying to be vague about it.

Buddying? I don't think scum particularly have to fear being NKed and it might be harder explaining why you sent the vest to scum. Why would town give BP to anyone but the strongest player they townread? In the list you posted he had NMS as second most town, so surely that's an obvious target.

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scum are not getting a giveable BP vest in this setup

regfan, if town

:/

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@dreal:
But if you truly believe that there's no way scum get a sendable BP in this setup then that should make regfan as good as cop-cleared to you, but you haven't really been acting like that's the case.

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ceph, serra,

if I'm scum, who are my buds?

twie and LLD would be the simplest answer? LLD+hebi is also an option. Off-chance of Reg, but if you're scum I actually think it's more likely that you know that scum are unable to receive abilities, which would explain your play.

I'm trying to figure out whether it's that or you're town who hasn't fully reconciled how strongly you hold different opinions. You were trying to use "scum can't give a BP" to shut down my line of argument why Reg might not be conftown, which would suggest to me you do actually believe that quite strongly.

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They mean by PM to them, presumably :/

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I don't see ceph being scum here, neither by play nor by role. I also don't see town!lld's claimed role existing, but being useless. I think lld has painted herself into a corner, as there really isn't a sensible gamestate with her as town.

I think she's bussing one of twie and drealmerz, and falsely cleared one of hebi and regfan. Of the former, I'm not really sure, but between the latter I do think being able to receive and send on the dream mildly suggests reg is more likely town. I guess there's also a chance it's twie and drealmerz, so I'm looking at lld + 2 of {twie, dreal, hebi}.

I don't really see this game making sense otherwise, so I think it's worth considering lynching lld today on the off chance we get a vig/doc or something giving us another shot to spare (maybe dream 2?). OTOH maybe whatever ability we get when no-lynching is going to do more to clear this up.

I just really don't buy the option of town!LLD's role giving false negatives. There's the remotest chance of ceph/dreal/twie or reg/dreal/twie, but I don't think either is realistic.

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does it cross anyone's mind that regfan+sakura could be scum together and there was no BP vest ever? I mean, I don't find it highly likely, but it's not impossible

I don't understand you doing things like this. It smells like you having more setup info than others and are failing to hit the right pitch of "uninformed townie".

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Meh mainly if all four of Serra Cephrir Drealmerz and TWIE were dead I think this game is done.

Do you make a habit of scumreading the people telling you you're wrong?

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Yeah we've gone beyond Japanese flavour implicating hebi so that's a plus.

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Nah to be fair though there's been quite a bit to comment on and you just gave "if these people won't vote for a wagon we can't lynch" IIOA

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And that didn't set off a: 'hey I haven't really contributed to this game at all so maybe now is a good time to go over stuff and get involved'?

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nightmare
ˈnʌɪtmɛː
noun
noun: nightmare; plural noun: nightmares
1.
a frightening or unpleasant dream.
"I had nightmares after watching the horror movie"
synonyms: bad dream, night terrors
2.
a very unpleasant or frightening experience or prospect.
"the nightmare of racial hatred"
synonyms: ordeal, horror, torment, trial
a person or situation that is very difficult to deal with.
"this game is a nightmare"

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@Reg: assuming LLD is scum, do you think it's more likely she's buddying town!Hebi or planning to strongly support scum!Hebi?

Also can you see a coherent state of affairs in which LLD is town?

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I find Hebi's stance towards LLD a bit strange. For one he comments that he has such trouble properly sorting her, but then never really second guesses the claim, and also comes up with posts like these:

Hey remember a few pages back people thought LLD might be mason, because she never hard claimed?

She still never claimed cop. I don't get why NMS and D have been acting like she has.

If LLD was worried about Mastina's claim, she wouldn't have killed the slot last night, I can actually say that.

Other random posts of interest

Spoiler:

Funny you got a wheel of time character when you talk about that so much.

Yes desperado, we have an obvious plan to buddy each other as scum and when one of us flips scum we....just die?

I wish there was a larger eye roll emote because I think I need it.

All you need to do is flip me, lld then mari and you win scum the game for them.

I can explain why she targeted me, we live together and she likes me better than everyone else here .

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lynch hebi today

lynch LLD tomorrow

resume scumhunting based on the unfoldings of that

lmfao what

I have a really weird brain and I see avenues and angles to gamesolving that are really hard for me to describe/explain

I'm pretty concerned that drealm is using this "herp derp I'm just weird" angle to cover for scumslips. I just don't see a way that town thinks things through and comes to the conclusion that we should lynch hebi before LLD.

That coupled with the last pages really has me thinking it's LLD+drealm+ either twie or reg

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if there were people here with more experience with me they'd tell you I wouldn't make that shitpost as scum, I'm sure

that's me just being craptown

You shit post in memory nice try

I mean making really bad nonsense posts that "whoops I forgot" the facts

and if your argument is "you could have actually forgotten about the BP vest confirmation as scum" - that's never something I'd do as scum I don't think, forget something that meaningful and obvious, I don't even know how I could forget that if I were scum, unless I suckbad as scum, which I don't, which is where my point on this started from

@reg this recent stuff got me thinking about that earlier bit with brain again. I'll have a look at that game tonight when I'm on a PC. But basically some recent stuff I would interpret as scum drealmerz7 failing to emulate the right level of knowledge town should have. But perhaps that's reconcilable with his other weirdness.

For hebi, some of the quotes I posted seem pretty bold for buddies, but I suppose given the context of them living together I could see them just deciding to go hard on lld protecting hebi and using the 'would we really do that as scum' wifom.

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TWIE, does this usually work for you as scum?

I don't like this :/

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Loved the theme and flavour and that you guys took the time to write thematic bits throughout. Don't like nebulous setup/theme connections that require interpreting vague things correctly and I have my doubts about balance.

Lots in this game unfortunately that reminded me why I stopped enjoying mafia on this site.

Thanks for playing all, and thanks for modding mods.

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I genuinely don't think town could have done better by investing more time trying to figure out which dream to vote for. Even knowing the right answer, imo only like 3 of the pro-town ones could have reasonable been predicted and many equally plausible predictions would have led to negative outcomes. I'm also not a fan of the red-herring of "dream receptiveness" which gave lots of ambiguity to sakura's role and gave more setup scope for lld's fakeclaim to work.

[serrapaladin]

i mean the rl excuses were probably legit.

don't tell Drealmerz this, he'll accuse the transwoman of "stroking themselves off" again.

Please don't right now...please.

you're not the only one upset and feeling like shit right now.

this was pretty gross


I think drealm has been represented very unfairly towards the end of the game and since on several counts.