Beneath The Mask [Endgame]

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There's no posting limit, right?

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Going to assume that pregame has no posting limits.

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I pretend to post the way I usually do.

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Posting limit limits how much fun someone should have.

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Specially with a playerlist like this.

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But with too much people spamposting that will make you read 20+ pages limits the fun, too.

I don't really read all of them.

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Btw, something's hinting there are four scum.

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All Role PMs have been sent out and

pre-game

will start when 19/22 have confirmed

lol

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So basically pregame didn't even start.

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Btw, something's hinting there are four scum.

The hint is actually in this game thread, can anyone find it?

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I'm not being useless, I'm trying to bring a discussion.

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Sure, as long everybody tries to be sortable, I'm gonna be active.

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Game will start when 19/22 players have confirmed.

18 non-Conspiracy + 1 Conspiracy

So scum can delay daystart.

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16:5 tends to be scumsided.

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why are people playing the game? i mean it's not day yet, hold ya horses

Treating this like an extended D1.

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I'm using pregame to get headstart reads.

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My role PM suggests singleball.

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What do you think about Ramcius?

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Phantom Thieves vs Conspiracy

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Yeah, there are SKs on newbies.

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davesaz, what do you think about Ramcius?

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What is harder? Mislynching six times or lynching scum five times?

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I'm talking about roles and alignment distribution because I find that productive.

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Btw, what should we do if someone yet has to catch up?

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I say you should first tell you're going to catch up. If you can't finish it tell what you got so far. If you haven't done any catch up after saying you were doing, expect scumreads.

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If there's another miller, they should claim now

Remember that scum got fakeclaims.

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If we know our alignments, that means we can produce AI things, and it's a good idea to try and read people. If we don't, it's obviously futile.

i'll try make it clear - why you so confident in Creature being town?

Generally him engaging with the game like this is strongly town-indicative for him, and him not doing so is strongly scum-indicative for him. I correctly scumread him for it here and here.

-mm4 since I guess we aren't really easy to tell apart like I thought

thx, i'll keep that in mind, but one thing pinged me - me and him played Divergent game not that long ago, 20p closed with 4 + sk scumteam, but here he tells 4 scum in 22p game is balanced, 5 is too much

"+ sk"

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Yo you guys talk a lot

Good, because as players get in the game, they already have stuff to comment and have no excuse to not do anything.

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- PenguinPower
- mastina
- Lil Uzi Vert
- Drixx
- Yume

- Varsoon
- ChikoritasInAction (EchoVision and MarioManic4)
- Leonshade

- Alchemist21
- Chesskid3
- Ellibereth
- xRECKONERx
- Smocaine

- davesaz
- keyenpeydee
- Ramcius
- Creature

- Kise
- Maki Harukawa

- WhemeStar

- ActionDan

- Mulch

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I still need more strikes on that list.

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I'm seeing Kise online.

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Townreads (striked) and "the rest" (non-striked)

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Btw, I saw Alchemist21 online earlier.

I didn't want to bother him so he could catch up, but he didn't.

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Yay, an even more extended day.

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PenguinPower, are you sure you want the Real World strongman?

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shit playerlist synergy (half the players have a strong distaste for my style, the other half just don't work well with it)

rn my only problem are the players that were aware this game would be faster and yet still wants to policy lynch higher posters.

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Well, rn I'm stepping off. I think I already engaged and sort the players that were posting.

However, you yourself have to bring something to the table. It's anti-town if only a set of players are posting, but if every player posts decently we can sort this game pretty quickly.

So take your time to do something, it's just nine pages to catch up and if you signed up to this game you should actually not have any problems.

If I feel this game has stagnated, then I'm gonna go back to posting and attack the players I feel are avoiding the thread. There's no excuse to not post anything.

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is someone avoiding the thread automatically scummy to you?

If I'm pretty sure there are things that someone can bring to the table and yet that someone isn't doing anything, yes.

It's funny, because avoiding the thread is what I've done on likely all of my scum games so far.

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Sure. As long you don't stress out everytime I post, we should be able to work together.

Like, you could start pushing on your reads rather than pushing a PL. I still feel you need to bring something to the table.

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"threats to town" =/= more than one anti-town faction

Town wincon is at post 2.

I knew 16:5 was 21 players, one extra player doesn't make much difference.

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Whatever then. Let's see how it rolls out. Thought it would be an interesting discussion.

I don't see how weak someone's case is, I see which motivation makes the most sense. rn I think yours is most likely a town motivation.

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D1 is for getting a foothold in the game and sorting as many players as possible, it's the day I (and most people) are most likely to change their votes multiple times.

Or holding off and not voting instead of changing all the time, and getting scumread for that.

Being sortable is also pretty good.

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God help us if we're going to have a 20 page pre-game and a 50 page RVS or some shit.

Hence why we shouldn't wait for Day 1 to start.

If Day 1 starts we're going straight to serious stuff, no RVS shit.

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Hey Ellibereth

Why would I mention that? Because I am a miller and I was under the impression that millers should claim being millers as soon as possible.

Yume has claimed miller, but I discarded that as safeclaimy. Though, I noticed scum has to yet choose who will get what role and what safeclaim and I started wondering if this really could mean Yume is town. What do you think?

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Oh right, I now understand what Ellibereth is talking about.

Well, we gotta lynch all of them anyway.

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(expired on 2017-10-10 18:24:49)

Painful wait.

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31 minutes...

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I think we should've massclaimed before mod even announced the role selection phase.

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I really find it stupid we're not doing anything just because of that role selection phase.

I guess scum won't switch their picks anymore, so we may resume scumhunting.

I'm not interested in waiting 30 minutes for the day to officially start.

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Still happy we got some pregame claims.

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Ellibereth

Are we allowed to talk now?

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Good thing we made good use of the pregame so we can already get into serious stuff.

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How long do you take in average to read each page?

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Too bad, someone scumslipped in the pregame.

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VOTE: Ellibereth

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Why are we voting Ellibereth? Pre-game or random?

I want to call that wagon serious.

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I'm sorta tired to take initiative on something.

Anything you want me to comment on?

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My activity.

Though, I could mention my motivation to solve the game while pre-game and my excitation on getting strong townreads.

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is the how to read me guide in your wiki up to date lol.
because it basically says activity may or may not be a tell.

No, my wiki is pretty outdated and I would've deleted it if I wasn't too lazy.

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also when I was skimming I remember a few people going omg creature obvtown now and stuff like that.

are they full of shit or do you actually think you should be obvtown by now for meta reasons.

Personally I feel my town and scum games are pretty different, so yeah, not surprised about that.

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There shouldn't have objective meta tells, you need experience with a player, so I understand when you don't understand the townreads on me.

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idk which scum game to pick, so I'll pick Mini 1925 as an example.

In this game I practically ended lurking because I simply didn't feel comfortable engaging in a discussion.

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tbh I don't like sharing my meta. I've refrained myself from doing it on Newbie 1820 already.

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Ellibereth

What do you think about the following quotes?

Spoiler:

do what i do:

keep a running doc/new post open in a separate tab. when you want to respond to a post, ctrl+click on the quote button on that post, then copy/paste it into the empty post

Multiquote is also a forum function!

Sometimes my thoughts on a post are important enough to deserve their own reply. Though I have not tried this "control click" thing, what's that?

Large walls and excessive numbers of posts both have negative effects on the effort needed to catch up. I tend to use the "two ears one mouth" principle. If other people have already made the point, there is often little point in "me too"ing. Sadly this position is seen by too many people as scummy.

D1 is for getting a foothold in the game and sorting as many players as possible, it's the day I (and most people) are most likely to change their votes multiple times.

Or holding off and not voting instead of changing all the time, and getting scumread for that.

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Atleast try to get some reads and bring something new.

You don't need to read everything, but if you can find something interesting we can discuss about, that would be good.

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Would you like an Alchemist21 wagon?

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Though, apparently Ellibereth is putting Alchemist21 out of his scumpool.

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Ellibereth's scumpool looks accurate. Alchemist21 is the one I question the most being outside.

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Nvm.

Ellibereth

Why is Not Chara outside it?

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My scumpool is roughly:
Alchemist21
chesskid3
Kise
Maki and Kaito
Mulch
Not Chara
PenguinPower
RationalNumbers
Smocaine
xRECKONERx

Though, I might be missing someone.

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What about Rational?

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Yeah, because the miller claim came before scum got to distribute the roles.

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Leonshade is most because I feel his competence to solve the game rather than getting townread and sitting back like I see him doing in his scumgames.

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There's also that I think the miller would be given to someone that can actually carry scum to endgame rather than someone easy to read like Yume.

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tldr put them back unless their play is town in this case okay?

Okay, but I'll still refrain wagoning there.

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I assume our common view is:
chesskid3
Kise
Maki and Kaito
Mulch
PenguinPower
Smocaine
xRECKONERx

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Everyone

Who would you wagon out of the list from 755?

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Because his posts pinged town so far.

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VOTE: Mulch

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Akiru better not be like the king of the assassin in the palace.

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VOTE: Smocaine

Next.

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idk, being wagoned is natural and you can find ways to pull yourself out of it.

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I don't really think traitor makes sense here.

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Just because you're being wagoned doesn't mean you're going to be lynched.

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Ann(e) Takamaki is not receiving a Traitor role. Sorry. Won't ever believe it.

So, Mulch may be bad town, but is not scum unless someone cc's that claim.

scum get fakeclaims dude

Ann is not going to be a fake claim. At all.

I don't think any role can be excluded from being a fakeclaim besides Akira.

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Hop on Smocaine.

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I wonder if we can get scum to scumclaim out of rage.

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Because it's stupid.

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I'd rather not underestimate scum.

Btw, I suppose you already finished catching up, right? What did you get so far?

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Can we return to our scumhunting?

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By design, it's important that scum have

importante

random flavor characters as their fake claims.

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Can we return to our scumhunting?

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Can we return to our scumhunting?

Why do you suspect Smocaine?

He's in my PoE for starters.

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Still not claiming.

If I throw trash at the street, someone else will do too.
If I don't throw trash at the street, someone else will not do either.

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Back to scumhunting...

Let's get scum out of their comfort zone.

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Stop! D1 is being unproductive with that PL.

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Like the way that the two players known for being against hyperposting are 3rd and 4th highest posters.

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When players are set on PLing, the day is pretty much unproductive.

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They want to complain because they can't keep up.

Though, this playerlist seems balanced as you don't see just a few posters.

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How can I be more charismatic?

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Is anyone up to wagon Smocaine? What about Maki and Kaito?

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Because they haven't towned. Probably just hanging in the back watching town eat itself.

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I think he's flipping town and the players voting him

usually mean that they do believe that their target could be town, but are justifying why its still the best lynch in their own mind

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I sorta wanted a different wagon.

There should be no "okay, we'll wagon X but we'll definitely lynch Mulch today".

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Give me something to do. I need to engage in a discussion again.

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Did someone replace PenguinPower?

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Give me something to do. I need to engage in a discussion again.

what do you think of ramcius?

I found his stuff about me very towny. Do you think he would've done that as scum?

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creature is my updated list semi on the same page as yours still or have you gone off on your own too.

What changed?

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If I was a vig, I wouldn't know who the fuck to shoot:

Maybe someone you actually scumread?

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rn I'm at Mulch being wagoned and Purple v Rational. Something happened after that?

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Hi Brian Skies, your slot claimed miller, can you confirm?

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Oh right, does anyone have any experience with xRECKONERx?

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For everyone

What would be your 3 favorite wagons?

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It's most my gas running out.

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I can't find a keyen scumgame.

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[Mulch, Varsoon, RationalNumbers, Davesaz,

Kise

]---- These are people I am confident are town.

Any reason to townread Kise?

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Atleast try not to misread him like you did with Gorny.

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I'm seeing no difference.

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Smocaine
Maki hydra

Yeah, those two are my two favorite wagons. Haven't found another one.

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Something's telling me there's scum at {chesskid3, Ellibereth}

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I'm already on it.

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or luv or key

What about Smocaine? Don't you want a scum lynched D1?

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his reads seem pretty fine so far

I remember saying something like this about Gorny in the last game I played with him.

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Hey, there are more players in favor of wagoning Smocaine and Maki-Kaito.

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Are players refusing to hop on the Smocaine wagon because he's a townread or because they think there's no case?

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Sorry, I went inactivity because I was sorta too lazy to read 7 pages (which is probably just a back and forth).

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Can someone do a checklist of what else we gotta do this day?

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Did anyone actually try to sort Smocaine while there was a wagon on him?

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@2184
Huh yeah, that's strange.

Do you remember if any of the wagoners actually townread Smocaine?

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Should we start wagoning Maki and Hoito?

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Purple Nurple, do you want to wagon someone not vla?

I sorta want to try another wagon for a while.

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idk, maybe Maki and Hoito, or someone who has fallen back. If you can remind me of a name, that would be good.

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VOTE: Maki

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So there's a Smocaine and a Kise wagon rn, right?

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Millers don't always give false results to alignment cops.

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Sorry, my only job rn is taking down shitty wagons, but I don't think there's a serious shitty wagon going on rn.

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Eli is so scum it hurts

Why is he scum?

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I guess I haven't seen his reads updated.

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Yeah, I feel like the Kise wagon isn't being that productive...

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Creature, what's your eli read looking like rn?

Not my strongest townread, but I don't see a reason to not trust for now.

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Do you townread Smocaine?

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How's the LUV and Chicka review going on?

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I'm still confident in most of my previous townreads.

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I sorta support both Kise and Smocaine wagons, but I'd choose Smocaine over Kise.

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We have plenty of strong townreads already.

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I'd not lynch Leonshade today because he tends to become obvious later.

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I think Brian Skies is enoughly town and Yume can be cleared in plenty of ways. So from your subset I'd leave {PP, chess, Smocaine}.

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I'm not up to lynch Mulch. I find his reaction very genuine and his role can be of good use. I'd not be surprised if scum selected him to be nightkilled.

Even if he's scum, I doubt he'll make it to the endgame.

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Following Ellibereth's list:
Kise
PenguinPower
chesskid3
Smocaine

In no particular order.

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Can you expand on this a bit? What do you not like about Smocaine?

I'm missing him this game. And when I try to townread him, it keeps reminding me of Gorny at some micro where I tried to townread him and got it wrong.

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I'd add Lil Uzi Vert, Varsoon, Alchemist21, xRECKONERx, Maki and Kaito and Chara to my watchlist.

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I townread Ellibereth for now.

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What do you think about the players on my watchlist?

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Purple Nurple, Brian Skies replaced keyen, what do you think about him?

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Not reading 13 new pages.

Can someone do a summary of what happened between pages 105 and 117?

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rn I don't feel like lynching Kise.

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What are the other wagons?

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Why?

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^for Mulch

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None. I want to wagon chikoritas

we not lynching CiA

Give me an alternative to Kise?

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i have a bulletproof claim so if someone wants to go ahead and do the thing where we get me near L-1 then I claim and everyone scrambles to unvote, we can do that

or we can skip the whole process and not out my role, your call

idk about this.

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hey creature did you read leon's post.
if you did and you still feel the way you do ignore your feelings and join the JUSTICEWAGON

No, I didn't.

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Wow I survived.

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Still not lynching Mulch today.

Find me a different wagon.

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VOTE: PenguinPower

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Townreading the four voters on PP.

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Gotta go.

I'll probably see 15 new pages by the time I come back.

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Most likely we'll easily catch all Conspiracy members but then we'll falseclear the SK thinking there's just a Conspiracy member left.

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This is not the moment to be paranoid.

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isn't this game full of LEGENDARY SPAMMERS
where are they

The current wagon is good, so I'm not posting much.

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Are you alright with the PenguinPower wagon so far?

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I have another wagon you might like.

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Yeah, we very likely got an SK.

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I'm pretty sure it's benefitial for scum to sit on the sidelines for now.

There are plenty of players and plenty of lurkers, and scum would want to survive some days.

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Well, most likely scum have thought something like that and is doing that rn.

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With 19 players, it's pretty easy for scum to sit on the sidelines.

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I'm satisfied with the PenguinPower wagon for now, but we could also wagon LUV.

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I'm not going to try to guess if there's an SK or vig, nor who killed who. Atleast not this game day.

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haven't mislynched him once

Large 205

Or is this mastina talking?

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I mean't large 202. You mislynched me there.

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What has LUV done so far?

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Gonna agree with this wagon for now.

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Because I haven't kept track of the votes.

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L-2

I don't want a quickhammer here.

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woohoo updates

Scum are {Mulch, Kise, PenguinPower} + some subset of:

Yume
Chesskid3
Smocaine
Lil Uzi Vert
ChikoritasInAction

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We can't lynch PP, so:

Yume
chesskid3
Smocaine
Lil Uzi Vert
ChikoritasInAction

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From these, I'd eliminate Yume, so you got a list of four to choose.

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VOTE: Chikorita for now

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It's better to ignore PP.

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Like the way everybody is now acting "oh no this can be still creature scum meta"

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Like saying "you're just scum" will magically change my role PM from town to scum.

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VOTE: Varsoon

No miller part in my role PM.

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Btw, did you forget cop already flipped?

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My role PM says otherwise.

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If you preform an action on a Phantom Thief, you will learn that the person you targetted is a Phantom Thief.

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Oh, d'oh.
I'm a cop with a guilty on creature.
I also am a mandatory vigilante. I killed Yume.
I tried killing Creature last night but it failed.
I have an inno on Rational Numbers.

That too-good-to-be-true role...

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Okay, if I am lynched you should do anything to get both PP and Varsoon dead.

Don't come with this "scum!Varsoon would never do this", I'm pretty sure he's scum gambiting.

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I doubt I would ever possibly fake my pregame play as scum, but whatever.

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Varsoon has an inno lmao

He's pulling a gambit. Tomorrow he'll come with "oh, I don't know what happened..."

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Atleast don't lynch so soon. It's silly and if I am lynched soon I'm afraid players won't take my message that Varsoon should be killed/lynched no matter what.