A Mid-Scummer Night's Dream - D.S. al Fine

[hebichan]

Even if the mason lovers werent dead why would mafia shoot me last night?

If you are town deperado (which I don't see), LLD and I were both shaded yesterday by you and I am not an IC, I am only confirmed to one person. Shooting me would put a lot more attention on actual scum. Leaving me alive lets town bicker more on my alignment.

[hebichan]

Didn't you say you didn't want to lynch lld or me today, what changed your mind?

[hebichan]

Hi, you were one of the first people who were on the wagon today, so wtf are you going on about apathy?

Are you saying you have literally nothing to add?

[hebichan]

Hi, you were one of the first people who were on the wagon today, so wtf are you going on about apathy?

Are you saying you have literally nothing to add?

At cephrir

[hebichan]

I think either of the replacement slots could be scum. Not sure. Regfan and dreal still have my suspicions as well.

Smith and lld and sakura are all tied a little under.

Brian is my only strong town read.

[hebichan]

I always suspect lld a little though, but the hider claim does seem pretty legit, so maybe second strongest townread

[hebichan]

Syryana
MariaR
drealmerz7
Desperado

this is my lynch pool rn.

I'm in the same mindset as reg, dunno why syr slot is so unlynchale for cephrir besides it being replaced.

[hebichan]

I dunno, the slot is more null than town for me, they've barely posted anything.

[hebichan]

Asking for president claims on day 2 I still don't agree with, as it let's scum know today is a bad day to lie about it.

Either there's no reason for scum to lie about it in the first place (and your role ability is essentially just useless), or there is a reason for them to lie about it, and your role has a bit of power. I guess I'll accept "ceph doesn't think about his role and how to use it" as NAI though, unless someone wants to come back and say that's bullshit.

considering he didn't bring up how doctor made him confirmed town in pyp and got lynched in lylo, I think cephrir doesn't think much on mechanics.

[hebichan]

implies nos voted didn't count tho)

you're left with a drastically nerfed counting ability. Hard to really tie votes to slots in a meaningful way when two known town slots are ??? on the vote counter

There was one fewer vote on the Moonlight Phase count than there was on the Day Phase count. Since it's assumed a Day Phase vote would just carry over to the Moonlight Phase in the event someone votes in the Day Phase and not the Moonlight Phase, it can be assumed the person we lynched {Nos} did vote and have their vote counted. The only other scenario is if someone votes for a dream during the Day Phase that gets eliminated in the Moonlight Phase, but the only players that claimed to have voted for Dream 3 are Ceph and myself, and it matches with the results Ceph claimed (so it's unlikely for the missing vote to be a result of anything else other than Nos being lynched).

Unless you think town would just lie about it, a dead townie's claimed votes would be reliable as far as a vote counter goes.

If there was some clause about the votes not carrying over then there could have been two less votes, one less for me and one less for nos. Since there's only one less, we can probably assume that isn't the case.

[hebichan]

I can explain why she targeted me, we live together and she likes me better than everyone else here .

[hebichan]

because I'm town and she might have been claiming an investigative, which might have been shot if it were not for the lover masons outting themselves.

[hebichan]

She couldn't have known that 1. they existed 2. they would do that, so idk.

[hebichan]

Except that desperado was the first wagon day two and everything else countered that wagon ending in a last minute town lynch.

[hebichan]

You're basically saying that you think she's scummy but we can't lynch her because she claimed investigative, which is like the biggest pet peeve of mine and one of the reasons I wanted to blow my brains out in Shaman Mafia (where I knew TTH was scum, she claimed a really shitty and obnoxious investigative role, and I couldn't lynch her because people have this huge adversity to lynching claimed power roles). I don't think leaving scummy investigative roles just because is a play I take ever, especially if the alternatives that are being presented to me are players I think are probably town.

And it's not like you're saying 'this person really seems town to me,' which is something I would get, but it's not. And if she's scum, what does getting one or two more results actually net you? Just speculation on whether she lied about whether she faked an inno result while we probably hand scum free mislynches.

Eh, that's not really it at all. I think there's a chance she's scum here, there's issue I have with her play but put her claim aside I wouldn't say I've got a stronger scum read on her than the 4 names I've listed, I probably wouldn't even say that the read on her is on the same level of the other 4. If I had a strong scum read on her here I'd get what you're saying and she'd be a fine lynch but I'd rate the odds of her flipping scum probably around ~40%? right now, maybe marginally higher and on that ~60% instance where she's town mslynching her here really really hurts and isn't a risk I'd take.

I'm going to be honest with you right now. The only two scumreads I have are LLD and Smith. If I can't get either of these, and absolutely have to go into the lynchpool you're trying to present me, the only person I'd accept in her place is Desp. And if he flipped town, I would absolutely tunnel and demand her lynch tomorrow in return.

Your whole "I can't decide between Maria/Desp/Syry/Dreal' is pretty much hogwash to me. And if you can't accept an LLD lynch because you're too scared of making a big play (and one that's probably on scum), then at least go for the one that will actually make a dent in people's reads lists and force people to stop sitting on the Desp wagon that's been around since Day 1.

If desp flips town I will completely vote LLD with you. Then reg.

[hebichan]

If you guys think Desp is scum, I will vote him, but only to see what he flips and get {Sakura, hebi, LLD} to stop voteparking.

Look if someone has a better idea sure, but I'm not voting LLD today and no one else has a good case against them and we're running out of time.

[hebichan]

Second of all, I feel like im going to have to 1v2 against both hebichan and LLD, or at least 1v1 one of them, with desp's town flip, and the fact that i doubt there was a full town on town wagon and scum not doing anything is awkward, also the brian skies NK when he was dead set on lynching LLD today, but i dont really care at this point if i lose a 1v1 i think my role's been pretty much useless throughout this game anyway.

yesterday I said I would vote LLD if depserado flipped town, I'm still pretty committed to that. Especially with brian dead, who was starting to work with me.

[hebichan]

Yeah, Ceph's role is garbage, drealz and I both claimed VT and we have like nothing but VT flips, this is pretty damn weak.

[hebichan]

We have 3 mafia left most likely, 10 players alive.


If we assume that LLD is telling the truth about smith and I being town regardless of her alignment, we have a 3/8 change of hitting scum most likely.

Aka, I think we have a pretty good chance of hitting that today.

Out of all the possible scum team members I think Reg and LLD being left as scum would be the scariest, and getting either one away from scum (if they are scum) would make scum weaker.

So, unless someone brings something pretty damning, I think my lynch pool is at least heavily focused on those two.

[hebichan]

We have 3 mafia left most likely, 10 players alive.


If we assume that LLD is telling the truth about smith and I being town regardless of her alignment, we have a 3/8 change of hitting scum most likely.

Aka, I think we have a pretty good chance of hitting that today.

Out of all the possible scum team members I think Reg and LLD being left as scum would be the scariest, and getting either one away from scum (if they are scum) would make scum weaker.

So, unless someone brings something pretty damning, I think my lynch pool is at least heavily focused on those two.

You also lose the game if you lynch incorrectly there.

The plan is to lynch scum from the remaining pool and have me target Regfan with my ability tonight. That will solve both of us, one way or another.

Except if you're lying about your role, it won't and you can say "Oh hey, Reg was town, I was wrong."

[hebichan]

Wait if smith is town does that mean we're gonna lose the game?
</joke>

Smith is town, LLD is lying regardless of alignment.

[hebichan]

Wait if smith is town does that mean we're gonna lose the game?
</joke>

Smith is town, LLD is lying regardless of alignment.

Yeah I've got a big ass fucking ????? for that statement too

Uhh sorry, that was supposed to be not lying

[hebichan]

ugh, please read, it's been like 12 short posts

i did read the posts.

but since they were stupid im pointedly ignoring them.

thanks for your concern.

ok then I'm not sure I get where your "what's going on" post is coming from

we're playing mafia

we're trying to find scum

some of us are displeased at LLD's play to a high degree

I'm inclined to agree that we could just lynch maria today and let LLD have 1 more Day

what do you think about the gamestate? what's going on with you?

oh well the deal with that was originally the post ended "or are we all gonna sit around and ask really stupid questions instead."

and then i realized that everyone was already doing that so i deleted it and put or whats going on.

but whats going on really meant

can you all stop being stupid.

VOTE: TheWayItEnds

On the other hand. There is this.

[hebichan]

Do you think your role can help us game solve smith?

If so claim now, if not claim later.

[hebichan]

If scum weren't dream receptive sakura couldnt give scum dream roles.

[hebichan]

If scum weren't dream receptive sakura couldnt give scum dream roles.

Yeah that's why i've been very peculiar about the strength of my town reads in this game, as i dont want to target scum just coz i was wrong (tho if regfan is scum i already did that so whatevs), im fairly convinced that regfan had hinted towards giving me the BP Vest somewhere in D2, when i was saying i was going to claim and he was like "I know what you're talking about and i disagree", so im fairly sure at least that one reached reg.

If scum aren't dream receptive that's actually a reason to ask the person who got it to claim.

[hebichan]

So basically im currently at.
I need to figure out whether hebichan is actually cleared or not, smith's obviously town regardless but...

Desperado

(5):

NoticeMeSenpai

,

Varsoon

,

hebichan

,

Sakura Hana

,

Nosferatu

hebichan

(1):

Brian Skies

Varsoon

(1): Syryana
Cephrir (1): MariaR

Not Voting (7): Imperium, drealmerz7,

Desperado

, Lady Lambdadelta, hiplop, Regfan, Cephrir

This is something i have a hard time understanding.
If hebichan is town, then that means the entire wagon on Desp at this point was town and scum did nothing.
Which is what i meant by saying that i may need to 1v2 LLD and hebi or at least 1v1 one of them.

That's actually a fairly good point.

[hebichan]

@hebi: so if it's a good point, then that means (FYPOV) that at that point in time, scum were in fact doing nothing (unless you think sakura is scum), and then the question is why were they doing nothing, and what does that mean, either in isolation or in connection to the wagon that pretty quickly flipped to you (see VC 2-4)

PS I probably need to run some VC stuff, but probably not doing that until weekend

If Maria or Syr are scum then they could have been pushing future mislynches while trying to do...something else? I dunno. It is a really strange VC.

[hebichan]

my counterargument though, is that if the person did not receive the power, then they are not dream receptive, and therefore likely caught scum.

[hebichan]

my counterargument though, is that if the person did not receive the power, then they are not dream receptive, and therefore likely caught scum.

Which we would find out by giving the watcher opportunity to claim that they got the power, not by having sakura claim who received it.

Given LLD's claimed inno, while I'm starting to disbelieve it, I'm fine with keeping smith to claim last.

Which I agree with, but earlier Sakura asked the person not to claim, not saying Sakura should claim.

[hebichan]

Can we get the rest of the claims in?

[hebichan]

I dont thin k your post about sstalling helps.

[hebichan]

btw, for shits and giggles...

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was maria/dunn hydra in the large theme that just ended where they were scum. While idk who made which posts, that was kind of blatantly not how maria's been posting here, and I guess I just tend to just not really bleieve that it's super likely that she'd in that game be in trouble in a scum team going down (3 man team, her hydra was 2nd scum death, and that happened with a LOT of bodies left in the game) and just generally be kind of blah about it, but that at the same time she'd be scum here and just be completely fucking miserable. Like, I just really don't see it. At all. If it's lolsmith then so be it, but that just feels so completely and utterly different from her scum game (and drealz noted that she was similar to this game in some other recently completed town game, and she as town has an annoying tendency to just give up [open 646, new year's masquerade; 2/2 times I played with her and she was town she white flagged it at some point] )... that it just feels like she's tonw here. Also her early d3 post was her just blatantly being OFFENDED at what I was saying at her, which seems like a somewhat difficult place to get to naturally as scum, and somewhat difficult to want to fake, while as town who thinks I'm just being an asshole or something, it basically makes sense.

And that's more of a reason for her being town than I think anyone has offered all game long for her being scum, so I'll just go ahead and stick to that read.

That's actually been my position, actually having been in the game. I couldn't say so early on while the game was ongoing obviously.

Haven't played with Ceph in awhile but he's been more aggressive than I remember him as town.

[hebichan]

Fair enough, I suppose.

Can you address the maria thing though?

[hebichan]

In light of that, and the fact that LLD will resolve itself tonight, where do you think we should lynch, since those have been your biggest scum reads.

[hebichan]

VOTE: Drealmz

he really hasn't done anything relevant in days.

[hebichan]

hy guys, would you like to lynch drealz over no lynch now?

[hebichan]

Cause you haven't done anything in days, only appear when called on, haven't made actual reads.

I can go on, and on, and on, and on.

[hebichan]

Why shouldn't we lynch you?

[hebichan]

You're at l-1, shuld you really be going on about deadline mechanics?

[hebichan]

VOTE: Maria

considering how fast we went down, not ging to argue over this too hard. I think she can be scum and I don't think she was much better than drealmerz.

[hebichan]

Why did scum not kill regfan last night, and why did smith die, which would confirm one of the claimed targets of lld as town?

It seems bad unless reg is scum.

[hebichan]

Reg is likely scum in either case.

[hebichan]

VOTE: Regfan

Regfan/Drealmz, lets do it.

[hebichan]

It should be.

[hebichan]

Hey Cephrir, I want a lynch today. Lets do drealmers.

VOTE: Dreal

[hebichan]

Hey Cephrir, I want a lynch today. Lets do drealmers.

VOTE: Dreal

Why do you want a lynch today?

Because I, and many others will lose even more motivation when yet another active town member dies tonight.

and the death will be me/serra/or you

I want to get the obvious scum out now while we still have some morale.

[hebichan]

Hey Cephrir, I want a lynch today. Lets do drealmers.

VOTE: Dreal

Why do you want a lynch today?

Because I, and many others will lose even more motivation when yet another active town member dies tonight.

and the death will be me/serra/or you

I want to get the obvious scum out now while we still have some morale.

I don't think morale can get much lower than it currently is, and I'm not going to play suboptimally because maybe we'll feel better.

It's optimal to almost always go into lylo tomorrow instead of at least trying to lynch scum?

I get it's harder to lynch here but not trying isn't a town move.

[hebichan]

But the dreams have been 1. useless 2. bad all game. The best we've gotten is a bullet proof.

Why wait on something that could be negative?

[hebichan]

But the dreams have been 1. useless 2. bad all game. The best we've gotten is a bullet proof.

Why wait on something that could be negative?

There was a watcher in there. That's not bad and I would like another.

Because I think our chances are pretty awful right now and a small chance to improve them is better than nothing.

Awful to do what?

Like waiting for something that could be shit seems bad, you scum read drealmz, I scumread drealmz, we all scream for drealz.

[hebichan]

You either bet the game on it now or bet on it tomorrow when we potentially get a worse result.

[hebichan]

feel like i'm gonna end up being the town leader. it seems to be something i fall into in endgames because it takes everyone most of the game to notice how town i am and i'm not big enough to kill off in scary player lists.

Please no, literally anyone but you, don't even suggest this.

I will literally pull you into a lync by the freaking ears cephrir dammit.

VOTE: DREALMZ

[hebichan]

Also, there's no one I'm townreading so strongly that having a suspect removed would be bad.

Really? Sakura and Serra both seem pretty obvious.

[hebichan]

What if the dream gives scum a strongman tonight?

[hebichan]

There's no reason to believe that's possible

There's no reason to believe the dream will help us, or there isnt another scum "nightmare" to make is useless.

[hebichan]

hebi what do you think the chances of a wagon actually going through on dreal today?

Not high, but I want to try. I'm not just going to give up like everyone else.

[hebichan]

If we NL, LLd cant hude, she cant hide regardless, if shes town and hides, good chance of loss right there.

[hebichan]

v/la

internet is out

[hebichan]

okay I am back from V/LA

[hebichan]

i just thought we should have tried because its likely going to be a lot more uncomfortable tomorrow.

"as possibilities are eliminated" een thought tomorrow could be lylo and the dream could be bad.

[hebichan]

This is the me from yesterday, sitting here, being vindicated that the dream would not help.

[hebichan]

I really want to lynch somewhere in reg/ceph/WIE and not deal with LLD vs Drealmers, though I know its unlikely.

[hebichan]

didn't change my mind, I wanted LLD yesterday too

I am questioning the change in order not the fact you said you had a scumread.

Why did you not push hebi today?

Because we're probably in lylo and he doesn't scumread me over LLD.

I'm not sure what's hard to get here.

[hebichan]

I think Reg and It ends are almost certain scum, because I'm town, Mathblade is probably town (despite this weirdness) and I think LLD vs Dream is t v s one way or another.

I still have no clue on cephrir.

[hebichan]

didn't change my mind, I wanted LLD yesterday too

I am questioning the change in order not the fact you said you had a scumread.

Why did you not push hebi today?

Because we're probably in lylo and he doesn't scumread me over LLD.

I'm not sure what's hard to get here.

What do you make of Drealmerz voting LLD?

Absolutely nothing.

LLD has claimed hider with nothing to back it up. Drealmz has wanted to have proof for awhile, LLD has none to give, despite hiding most nights.

Of course, none of the powers this game have been provable, which is why I'm still having trouble.

Speaking of which, who did you target Mathblade?

[hebichan]

I don't see reg as scum at all, he's been gamesolving hardcore the whole game

Where, when? Why is this game not solved then?

Most of his posts for days has been "I'll catch up later... oh this looks like a thing."

[hebichan]

didn't change my mind, I wanted LLD yesterday too

I am questioning the change in order not the fact you said you had a scumread.

Why did you not push hebi today?

Because we're probably in lylo and he doesn't scumread me over LLD.

I'm not sure what's hard to get here.

What do you make of Drealmerz voting LLD?

Absolutely nothing.

LLD has claimed hider with nothing to back it up. Drealmz has wanted to have proof for awhile, LLD has none to give, despite hiding most nights.

Of course, none of the powers this game have been provable, which is why I'm still having trouble.

Speaking of which, who did you target Mathblade?

HOW THE FUCK AM I SUPPOSED TO PROVE I'M A HIDER?

I'm not saying you have to, I'm explaining Drealmz logic to mathblade, or at least how I see it.

I'm literally saying you can't.

[hebichan]

I'm not saying drealmz is a good guy. I'm saying his vote on you is null and expected based on his play all game.

God damn.

[hebichan]

Well then fucking say that then!

I did, math asked what I thought, and I said

"Absolutely nothing." followed by an explanation of what drealmz has been doing

Not sure where you're getting I think drealmz was right from that.

[hebichan]

it felt implied and your statement was fucking weird.

I think you're just getting paranoid I'm going to side with drealmz over you.

[hebichan]

didn't change my mind, I wanted LLD yesterday too

I am questioning the change in order not the fact you said you had a scumread.

Why did you not push hebi today?

Because we're probably in lylo and he doesn't scumread me over LLD.

I'm not sure what's hard to get here.

What do you make of Drealmerz voting LLD?

Absolutely nothing.

LLD has claimed hider with nothing to back it up. Drealmz has wanted to have proof for awhile, LLD has none to give, despite hiding most nights.

Of course, none of the powers this game have been provable, which is why I'm still having trouble.

Speaking of which, who did you target Mathblade?

The Dream didn't have a "player gets a X" so I don't know if who I submitted worked. I was really hoping for I can't make up my mind or the box.

That is literally not an answer.

[hebichan]

I don't think Drealmerz voting was Null btw.

Think about it, what would scum do if the dream didn't show up and they were scared that one vote would be the lynch today?

They'd INSTANTLY vote, wouldn't they? and use their scummiest member (drealmerz) to do it, right?

Like, his instant vote read as a "I need to vote before anyone else does and make sure I abuse this dream"

Why would they assume thats what the dream did though?

That seems like a leap.

[hebichan]

didn't change my mind, I wanted LLD yesterday too

I am questioning the change in order not the fact you said you had a scumread.

Why did you not push hebi today?

Because we're probably in lylo and he doesn't scumread me over LLD.

I'm not sure what's hard to get here.

What do you make of Drealmerz voting LLD?

Absolutely nothing.

LLD has claimed hider with nothing to back it up. Drealmz has wanted to have proof for awhile, LLD has none to give, despite hiding most nights.

Of course, none of the powers this game have been provable, which is why I'm still having trouble.

Speaking of which, who did you target Mathblade?

The Dream didn't have a "player gets a X" so I don't know if who I submitted worked. I was really hoping for I can't make up my mind or the box.

That is literally not an answer.

That is an answer. Not as concrete as you'd like but it is.

I would rather wait and see how people respond before revealing that.

I am obvTown so I would rather not give scum that card yet.

TBH you're only obtown cause you're riding of Sakura.

[hebichan]

I don't think Drealmerz voting was Null btw.

Think about it, what would scum do if the dream didn't show up and they were scared that one vote would be the lynch today?

They'd INSTANTLY vote, wouldn't they? and use their scummiest member (drealmerz) to do it, right?

Like, his instant vote read as a "I need to vote before anyone else does and make sure I abuse this dream"

Why would they assume thats what the dream did though?

That seems like a leap.

Does it? The dream says you struggle to get back to sleep or some nonsense, what if that means the threshold for lynch is reduced so that we fall asleep faster? The dreams have been cryptic before, it's a reasonable concern when the dream pops up and isn't explained.

It might mean we don't have a night phase today, that would seem way more in flavor.

[hebichan]

Which, actually. Would also make scum desperate.

[hebichan]

I don't think Drealmerz voting was Null btw.

Think about it, what would scum do if the dream didn't show up and they were scared that one vote would be the lynch today?

They'd INSTANTLY vote, wouldn't they? and use their scummiest member (drealmerz) to do it, right?

Like, his instant vote read as a "I need to vote before anyone else does and make sure I abuse this dream"

Abuse? What did he gain?

She's saying in the event of "one vote decides the day" he would have lynched LLD.

[hebichan]

Oooooh. I'm a moron.

That's quite curious, because I was very clear that I felt we needed to keep any one-shot power dream to avoid hitting a dangerous one.

Does anyone want to own switching their vote?

I forgot, can't you tell if we did?

[hebichan]

Scum risks voting first in 7 person lylo?

[hebichan]

Scum risks voting first in 7 person lylo?

It's not indicative, IMO.

The problem is, I was already certain this wasn't T v T, just having a hard time sorting it.

[hebichan]

hebi, LLD pocketed you from the beginning

Well see, the lingering paranoia of that is why I haven't immediately voted you, yes.

[hebichan]

Scum risks voting first in 7 person lylo?

It's not indicative, IMO.

The problem is, I was already certain this wasn't T v T, just having a hard time sorting it.

Well. We're gonna need everyone on board for the right lynch.

Honestly, catching all scum not bussing today might be our best shot at a win.

If it's lylo, there is a very unlikely chance for a bus.

[hebichan]

Hebi + Cephrir + Me team confirmed clear if Drealmerz LLD both Town.

Pretty sure this is just a loss if they are both town, as drealmz isn't going to unvote and scum will vote.

I don't think its tvt though.

[hebichan]

A reminder of how PYP played out. I'm not saying I would kill you every time, but generally this is why I kill you as scum eventually, because your paranoia is always going to eat away at you.

this is a scumpost because 'I'M GOING TO ATTACK YOUR FEAR AND MAKE YOU QUESTION' - it's an attempt at demoralizing

Well, considering she's my roommate and that is literally what happened in PYP, it's pretty accurate.

But I'm not really interested in sorting you two today. I wasn't yesterday either.

I want TWIE

[hebichan]

you have no idea how tempted I am to vote TWIE.

[hebichan]

Does anyone have a good town case for that slot.... at all

[hebichan]

Mainly from me I'm a I don't want to vote either, I would vote drealmz if it came down to it, but I would rather get rid of the slot I am more certain about.

[hebichan]

Jesus christ the thread exploded while I was away.

Reeeeeeeeeally contemplating a LLD/Hebi/Dreamlz world right now, I'm going to read through the meta links that Dreamlz provided and see if voting his quickly is something he does as town but the vote being that early, the response towards the vote being removed and the interaction about why he hadn't voted again afterwards combined with Hebi playing the "I want to put these two to the side and lynch elsewhere, can I vote TWIE" feels like scum just creating a theatre situation where they'll win by trying to make to make us think X/Y are unaligned and leverage that to potentially either get a lynch elsewhere or have the other cleared upon their flip.

Still don't really see the scum reads on Cephrir, so if that's a read you still hold and somewhere you're even contemplating voting today Math then I need to you to promise me you'll talk it out before dropping down a vote there.

I don't want to sort LLD/Drealmerz because I'm not confident I can read LLD.


It's really that simple.

[hebichan]

aalso, reg, weren't you "contemplating" this same scenario for like three days now? are you done contemplating yet?

Also, yes, my play has been so anti town, when I wanted to lynch drealmerz to sort this shit days ago instead of waiting for lylo, and being the only one who was assuming the dream was going to be screwball noise and not our savior yesterday.

[hebichan]

I don't want to sort LLD/Drealmerz because I'm not confident I can read LLD.


It's really that simple.

Then wouldn't reading that duo by attempting to get a read on Dreamlz be what you should be doing, not putting them both to the side?Where I'm sitting is that I think you+LLD are very likely, so you doing this "lynch elsewhere" feels like it's you attempting to minimise the chances we hit today and if the world is actually You/LLD/Dreamlz your stance actually guarantees that we'd be missing toda, that's a huge concern I've got with your posting so far today.

My "lynch elsewhere" thing would make it more likely for me to be lynched though?



I've been trying to read drealmz since day two, I'm pretty sure he's scum but not 100% because it might be LLD messing with my head. I'm certain TWIE is scum.

[hebichan]

agree we need every town today

that's me, regfan, ceph, and....I guess it has to be MB

mb/hebi, whichever of you is town, get your fucking head on straight and DO NOT FUCKING VOTE ME when it comes to it

fucking fuck

Holy shit I want to lynch you for just your reads.

[hebichan]

Scum team is:

TWIE

One of Cephrir/Regfan

one of LLD/Drealmerz

[hebichan]

Scum team is:

TWIE

One of Cephrir/Regfan

one of LLD/Drealmerz

this has to be the 3rd scum with this list

Why? This has been my position for days,ever since my vote on TWIE which people called "vanity"

We've mislynched that day and every other day besides day one and the no lynch.

No one has listened to me.

[hebichan]

hebi, when LLD is town do they have a decent ability to read you? if yes, why would she pick you to hide behind first in the game?


omg, LLD, fuck off with that shit, in any world where you and I are scum you are the lynch that goes first

you should have been the lynch before, know why you weren't? cause you're scum with buddies protecting and distracting

scum been painting me as scum for a ML whole fucking game

Wait, why are you appealing to me?

[hebichan]

Let him answer LLD, I'm asking because he just said he pretty much wrote me off as scum.

[hebichan]

hebi, when LLD is town do they have a decent ability to read you? if yes, why would she pick you to hide behind first in the game?


omg, LLD, fuck off with that shit, in any world where you and I are scum you are the lynch that goes first

you should have been the lynch before, know why you weren't? cause you're scum with buddies protecting and distracting

scum been painting me as scum for a ML whole fucking game

Sounds like you're trying to appeal to me by making me question the motives?

[hebichan]

She hid behind me because she thought there was a low chance of mme being shot that night due to poor play.

[hebichan]

so that's a yes, she's good at reading you when she's town?

Yup. She's really good at reading me whenever. I've fooled her maybe twice or three times ever.

[hebichan]

if this takes more than 5 RL days to resolve I'm going to lose my GD mind

it should take 3, max

@hebi, okay then, so why does she waste a fucking hide on you N1?

I just answered that, because I looked bad and she didn't think I wasn't going to get shot, so I was safe, she was away a lot due to RL issues, so she couldn't crumb, so she didn't want to hide behind someone who might.

[hebichan]

that's not really what I'm asking, I'm not asking why she chose you, I'm asking why she wasted the hide if she knew FOR SO CERTAIN you were town D1 after your shitpoor play

Uhh

what's the fucking difference?

[hebichan]

She wanted a result for me, so she could claim, and if she got lynched early I would have a cop confirmed.

[hebichan]

This entire conversation feels like it's going nowhere, I don't find LLD's explanation and decision hiding behind Hebichan problematic at all, if she's town here and is fairly solid at reading Hebichan then that's a perfect N1 hiding choice, you don't use the Hider as a cop and hide behind an unknown player in the early game, you want to survive and going on someone you're fairly sure is town is the move to do so, especially if you think they won't be shot.

I have much more of an issue with the attempted hide behind the Imperium slot N2 (?).

And god I suck, I really do need to close this and actually take some time to think about it away from the thread.

I'll not take 5+ days, or at least hope not because will imagine we'll all lose our mind if it goes that far with the current gamestate.

Yeah, I'm not sure why you think the hider was "wasted" n1.

The imperium thing is the only issue I would see with LLD's claimed actions?

[hebichan]

But I might just be bad at knowing what to do with hider, first game I've been in with one, and I can't read LLD's mind about what she was thinking N2.

[hebichan]

That being said, consider it my intention to vote drealmerz now.

speak up when town feels like actually getting its vote on.

[hebichan]

As far as I know, the hider role is not limited and it makes it so they cant be shot unless the person they are hiding behind is shot.


So it makes perfect sense to hide behind someone you think is town but won't be shot.

[hebichan]

and I stand by that floodgates was the most obvious N1 kill of all time and anyone else was absolutely safe with a NO FUCKING DUHSHIT exclaimation at the end

btw I want flavor claims

That's... not the point.... she would have also died if she hid behind scum... so if she didn't want to die n1, and didn't want to be shot with floodgates, who else would she hide with then the roommate she can soul read?

Also, already flavor claimed. Dominick Cobb from Inception.

[hebichan]

ceph, reg, please do me (and town) a favor and don't vote until LLD, hebi, and TWIE have voted

Funny, not voting till you, cephrir and TWIE vote.

[hebichan]

ceph, reg, please do me (and town) a favor and don't vote until LLD, hebi, and TWIE have voted

Funny, not voting till you, cephrir and TWIE vote.

Well ceph and TWIE since you already voted.

[hebichan]

Cephrir... how am I supposed to townread you...

That would make the scum team lld/regfan/drealmerz or lld/TWIE/drealmerz or reg/TWIE/drealmerz from my perspective.

That's a weird mix.

[hebichan]

bah also meant to quote the post where I talk about there being something going on between hebi and LLD

but holy fuck I've been touting it all game so...ya, nothing new

either get your fucking heads on straight or don't, this loss is not on me if you vote me today

I know her better than anyone else in the game? It's impossible for there -not- to be something between us.

[hebichan]

if the only info smith has to work with is "1 shot ability"

"this affects tomorrow"

like... what is that supposed to do.

Who is smith?

MHsmith, who is long dead.

Also Ceph, why arre you townreading TWIE, besides you being scum?

[hebichan]

Ceph, TWIE and I are never on a team and Drealz/LLD are never on a team. Neither of those worlds make sense.

I have been gunning for TWIE when no one else has for days. DAYS!

Also regm I want all of drealmz/cephrir and TWIE dead, so, lets just bunker down and do it.

VOTE: Drealmz

[hebichan]

i won't argue with that.

i am somewhat of a gut player these days and when things don't just come to me i'm left a bit lost.

i didn't want twie to be lynched purely for being twie, and i've seen things end badly when people try to kill him for that reason. i wasn't trying to say he was town, only that that logic for an attack on him wasn't sound.
^i get shit for doing this quite frequently as me shooting down an attack is perceived as defending when i don't see it that way.

My qualms not with you explaining the type of player he is meta wise, it's that I don't see any instance where you actually attempted to sort or get a read on him and shot down people questioning him (Not scum reading, questioning) which makes a lot of sense if you're together, much less if you're town.

how do i sort someone who doesn't post?

I was scum with PeregineV once, I know how frustrating not having your scum buddy post can be.

[hebichan]

And this is LyLO correct.

So if you know scum is in one list you go with the other side.

Which means we lynch Drealmerz right?

Which of your worlds had Drealmerz scum in it?

Worlds with Dreamlz = TWIE/Dreamlz/Ceph or LLD/Hebi/Dreamlz

and regfan, which one of these worlds has all three people deciding to vote on the same person?

[hebichan]

"regfan is gamesolving" D:

D:
D:

I AM PILLAR OF SALT.

also, people who pired me with LLD all game, even though we weren't aligned drove me to not want to lynch her.

[hebichan]

Like, I wanted to lynch TWIE day 5, and it was the right move, and I stand by it, even with the extra vote needed. And people wanted to rely on the dream and regfan and tWIE basically buddied cephrir into doing it.

[hebichan]

I think town basically got demotivated with the dreams after the first three nights basically had nothing affected by them.

[hebichan]

no, maria needs to not selfvote as town, it's bad play

hebi, between you and reg, reg was showing effort and lots of POVs, you were doing shit, I went back and forth on him but eventually went with a townlean and just had to go with it and you were showing me nothing else to outweight that

was right all along LLD was using you and you couldn't see it, I think reg might have come around to being exposed if we'd gotten LLD out of the way but yeah, no hard feelings about it or anything, just, GAH

LLD was the most obvious scum I've ever seen except ppl I can soul read

it was painful

Hey gueess what, YOU WERE CALLING ME SCUM WITH LLD ALL GAME

LLD was the only one listening to me, I was calling reg and TWIE scum for days and everyone was so focused on everything else I got demotivated.

I'm sorry I got buddied when town basically sidelined me for having decent reads.

[hebichan]

no, wait, brian and smith were both working with me and they got shot, which probably should have said something.

The only people actively agreeing with me got shot which hugely demotivated me.

[hebichan]

brian was also right, with everyone tying me so closely to LLD I never wanted her lynched.

[hebichan]

toxicity!?!? LLD was obviscum and nothing I could say could convince you otherwise and you didn't go back and read more carefully to make your own determination, a speed read doesn't do it

hebi, I scumread LLD way more than you but you were a lurksack just siding with LLD which seemed ridiculous you can't put that on anyone else

when did I lurk? Seriously.

[hebichan]

I guess I could have posted more, oh hey TWIE is scum guys.

[hebichan]

I guess I could have posted more, oh hey TWIE is scum guys.

yeah he was pretty obviously scum too, but LLD should have been first

good point on the BP give, damn

If LLD was first everyone would want to lynch me, that was how the whole game went.

[hebichan]

Like

you tied LLD to me early on, I had good reads, people who agreed with my reads died.

You refused to go after obvscum that I wasn't tied to even though you agree it was obvscum.

[hebichan]

There was literal no reason to go after LLD first except your own ego.

[hebichan]

I literally don't know how to push reads.

[hebichan]

I literally don't know how to push reads.

when in doubt use caps!

That really worked out for you.

[hebichan]

Oh the other really annoying thig that made me side with LLD was people implying her RL shit was an excuse to not be active, and I admittedly played bad on day one from the same shit, I can confirm like all that week was terrible for everyone here and really it was unfair. Especially people saying we had a "thing together" because of it.

No, RL shit happened and I was confirming.

[hebichan]

I agree with Regfan

I townread him because the BP

That was actually a reason to scumread him, like so scummy it was basically a scumclaim. It made no sense to give it to anyone but Imperium/my slot/NMS and maybe one or two others, Sakura Hana was never eating a kill.

Doh I was dumb

Naw no one else scumread him for it either except mhsmith I think

I asnt aware reg didnt know who gave it to him, I thought he saw that sakua did and gave it back.

[hebichan]

I mean honestly LLD played really well, and took out all the right people to demotivate town.

[hebichan]

Also GDI at people asking to know who got the watch shot throughout Day 4, I was trying to hide it was brian to not let scum know they had killed the one i had given it to, specially coz the watch could've been saved for future nights.

Brian was warming up to me, thats why he was shot D:

[hebichan]

I couldnt have lasted as long as i did had i been scum this game, my game gets increasingly weaker as scum due to sheer pressure, shorter games are easier for me as scum, but larges? i mostly rely on trying to get strongly townread early on and lurk later. There was no way i was scum this game due to meta. But unfortunately, nacho's probably the only one that knew that.

I mean, I never really thought you were scum, and any chance i nmy mind was gone by day 2 or 3 unless some weird crap happened.

[hebichan]

Regfan and LLD both played really well and I don't recall seeing a lot of traction heading in the direction of TWIE either.

That's because everyone insisted every day we had to focus on LLD and drealmz and no one let me chase other people.