A Mid-Scummer Night's Dream - D.S. al Fine

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people who are actually town:

if I'm scum why do I leave no room for other options except me and LLD? I know how to play scum and I'd leave options open so we have more of a chance at a mislynch, doing this ties us into a 50% chance which otherwise would be way less

I just....ugh....hurts my fucking brain how fucking obvious everything is and MB just can't see it

like I said, ceph, reg, MB too, don't vote until LLD, TWIE, and hebi vote

...You didn't leave options in In Memory

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Why do you guys keep saying I haven't read the game when I said I sped read it?

Why also are you not making cases for who you scumread?

Yelling at me doesn't make your point clearer.

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i mean the rl excuses were probably legit.

don't tell Drealmerz this, he'll accuse the transwoman of "stroking themselves off" again.

Please don't right now...please.

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this game is about tone and nuance and you can't get that from a speed read

Worked last time I replaced into a 100+ game.

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you're not the only one upset and feeling like shit right now.

this is gross emotional buddying that IMO is not good gamesmanship

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*blinks*

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*blinks*

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My give a fucks about this game has hit zero.

When someone has an actual question let me know.

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Thrice.

It is taking all of my restraint to not vote you and end this.

I would have voted yesterday and just ended the game if I didn't care Drealmerz.

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My give a fucks about this game has hit zero.

When someone has an actual question let me know.

Wow that was fast.

Here is a question for you: Do you think Drealmerz and Cephrir's current interactions with you and Regfan are indicitive of TWIE's alignment?

Talk with TWIE

Short answer yes gtg

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mathblade, have you read the interaction between LLD and myself that I asked you to?

if not, please do

also please go read the EoD2

Thrice....

And twice....

:/

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if the only info smith has to work with is "1 shot ability"

"this affects tomorrow"

like... what is that supposed to do.

Who is smith?

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which admittedly lines up with lld's concern about not working on dream unreceptive players

Which is why I asked anyone unreceptive to claim yesterday and if they didn't scum claim

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Who is smith?

wtf?????????????

Yes. He said smith present tense. Smith is dead why present tense?

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honestly having an actual negative dream fucking ruined everything i thought about this game.

What if it was a positive dream? First vote against town didn't count?

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Who is smith?

wtf?????????????

Yes. He said smith present tense. Smith is dead why present tense?

???????????

seriously work on your reading comprehension wtf

Smith has to work with. Present tense?

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honestly having an actual negative dream fucking ruined everything i thought about this game.

What if it was a positive dream? First vote against town didn't count?

how on earth is that positive utility if we're in the fucking dark about it?

Don't instant lose pretty awesome in lylo.

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So TWIE Cephrir Drealmerz all have intent to vote LLD correct?

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17 players three scum...hell no lol

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Yeah, nah I really really can't see this being 14:3, particularly with Cabd and Ffyer as the mods, there's pretty much always 4 scum here.

Lets make this simple:

There is no world in which I am scum correct?

Cephrir TWIE and Drealmerz have intent to vote LLD

If they are the entire town + you you have a team of me/LLD/Hebi

This is a world you are not considering. This means there is at least confirmed scum in Cephrir/TWIE/Drealmerz yes?

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Math, can we lynch Drealmerz now?

I am talking with Regfan here

And I want all dream choices submitted first.

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Lets make this simple:

There is no world in which I am scum correct?

Cephrir TWIE and Drealmerz have intent to vote LLD

If they are the entire town + you you have a team of me/LLD/Hebi

This is a world you are not considering. This means there is at least confirmed scum in Cephrir/TWIE/Drealmerz yes?

Correct.
Sort of correct?
Correct.
Correct. And yes, I'm 100% that there's at least one scum in that list already?

And this is LyLO correct.

So if you know scum is in one list you go with the other side.

Which means we lynch Drealmerz right?

Which of your worlds had Drealmerz scum in it?

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Math, can we lynch Drealmerz now?

I am talking with Regfan here

And I want all dream choices submitted first.

shit right I need to vote. What should I vote for? I won the olympic medal seems good? I don't want to do the Crush one, that seems like it could make people lovers and thats #dangerous

Unless you can choose them? IDK

I don't choose Dream votes:

I assign based on the Dream chosen

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I am going with the Olympic medal I think because I think it lets me keep control of things with my town reads.

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And this is LyLO correct.

So if you know scum is in one list you go with the other side.

Which means we lynch Drealmerz right?

Which of your worlds had Drealmerz scum in it?

Worlds with Dreamlz = TWIE/Dreamlz/Ceph or LLD/Hebi/Dreamlz

LLD and Hebi are on Drealmerz and Day isn't over so those would be the only two world yep.

And if LLD and Hebi are bussing then we let them lol.

So you with me? And ready for day end?

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Math, can we lynch Drealmerz now?

I am talking with Regfan here

And I want all dream choices submitted first.

shit right I need to vote. What should I vote for? I won the olympic medal seems good? I don't want to do the Crush one, that seems like it could make people lovers and thats #dangerous

Unless you can choose them? IDK

I don't choose Dream votes:

I assign based on the Dream chosen

I know, I meant, if the Crush one makes 2 people lovers, I wonder if you could choose which two those were?

Most likely? I would have to go look at the exact wording of my role PM but we are so not touching that one.

I do not want to make people lovers and have to instantly guess the scum team if that is the case.

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I'd not be home from work for like ~11 hours and I'm worried to thread will go to shits by then.

So then it is up to you. Vote or we wait. Whatever you are comfortable with.

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I'd rather vote while we're both around I think which sadly is now? Odds are super low any Americans will be around when I get home.

If you're happy to rule out Hebi/LLD/TWIE then we're doing Dreamlz since he's in both remaining worlds, if it's that exact world it's going to hurt though.

I am happy with that.

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Not quick hammering but intent is giveb

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Intent is given.

Cephrir TWIE Drealmerz convince me LLD Hebi Regfan or I hammer. The only two potential teams are Cephrir TWIE and Drealmerz or LLD Hebichan regfan

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Yeah no quickhammer is a really good sign.

FTR if I die tonight I still think the LLD/Hebi/Dreamlz world is slightly more likely than the Dreamlz/Cephrir/TWIE one.

I am discounting lLD Hebi world here Regfan. But if I get the chance I will test one theory.

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K

TWIE last thoughts?

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VOTE: Drealmerz

Hammer dropped. Tired of the yelling.

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GG all

Damn :/ kinda glad not to be in it either.

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Gotta go home now more thoughts later

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I just...

This game

I will eat crow Cephrir was Town

However even though Drealmerz was right on LLD the toxicity pretty much ensured I was never voting that way as LLD was more helpful.
I just wish I would have had time to do my vote schtick I usually do every LyLO but I just couldn't do to RL and votes being bolded meant old fashioned and I just gave up.

Now that I have 99% automated should never happen again

Thanks for modding

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@LLD - The point that Math is getting at is that from your point of view if Dreamlz is town the games over if he's not going to unvote you and most scum teams would have had a chance to blitz you at this point (Think TWIE is the only person that hasn't been online since) so therefore he's either confirmed scum to you or the world where you're both town is a world we are never winning.

And I acknowledged this, and I've never thought he was town.

I'm saying that my vote is irrelevant. I don't want to vote him and have him beetlejuice in here and create 10 pages of worthless fucking noise.

And I especially am not going to do it because fucking Math asked me to, of all fucking people.

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One thing is that i'd probs have voted LLD over Drealmz, coz i thought both LLD and Hebichan were scum together, due to the way the Day 2 votes went on Desp, i never expected 5 town votes on town, and scum not piling up more instead of switching it up to Hebichan, the quickwagon on hebichan should've clearly indicated Reg scum to me, but him giving me the vest was already paying off, i should've come around that later but i didnt, a lot of things i should've done better, but as i said regreting it now wont change the outcome, i made bad decissions, and probably the misuse or rather my being too worried of not hitting somewhere other than "obvtown" is what caused this to turn into mostly mountainous, as i knew my role and alignment i knew town's power should've come from the dreams, so LLD's role was kind of ehhhh, but oh well.

Really not blaming everyone else for this but myself.

I actually debated hitting LLD a little bit to test her hider claim.

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I love how people are unable to lynch me and still tell me I played poorly. Like, the entire deadthread is full of people who thought I was scum, and the people alive either thought I was town, or were so discredited that it

didn't matter

.

But whatever. If it helps you sleep better at night to think that you played well because you caught me but could never lynch me, by all means. It's no skin off my back.

seriously, you're just deluded, get the fuck over yourself, really, you were terrible, it's not about me sleeping at night, geezus

LLD was actually really good.

She fooled me.

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@LLD - The point that Math is getting at is that from your point of view if Dreamlz is town the games over if he's not going to unvote you and most scum teams would have had a chance to blitz you at this point (Think TWIE is the only person that hasn't been online since) so therefore he's either confirmed scum to you or the world where you're both town is a world we are never winning.

And I acknowledged this, and I've never thought he was town.

I'm saying that my vote is irrelevant. I don't want to vote him and have him beetlejuice in here and create 10 pages of worthless fucking noise.

And I especially am not going to do it because fucking Math asked me to, of all fucking people.

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Yeah, sorry about that. :/ I did it in the heat of the moment and didn't even realize.

It happens.

Well played

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Glad I was right on Reg and TWIE I had LLD on like early day 1 then dropped that read gg scum well played

Yeah Reg or LLD for scum MVP.

Why did you give Sakura/me the BP reg?

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Glad I was right on Reg and TWIE I had LLD on like early day 1 then dropped that read gg scum well played

Yeah Reg or LLD for scum MVP.

Why did you give Sakura/me the BP reg?

It was a.... point of contention between Reg and I. I felt he should give it to scum, he felt he should give it to Imperium. I told him that Imperium was a slot we would have had to kill at exactly the right time and making them bulletproof would have been awful. He said that if he gave Syr or I BP he'd look awful.

In the end we settled on him giving it to a person we thoguht we could mislynch later in the game. It jsut turned out that that person was town's biggest power role. Whoops.

I agree with Regfan

I townread him because the BP

If he had given it to you you lose hider claim to TWIE that is a scum claim I would have caught I think.

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i mean the rl excuses were probably legit.

don't tell Drealmerz this, he'll accuse the transwoman of "stroking themselves off" again.

Please don't right now...please.

you're not the only one upset and feeling like shit right now.

this was pretty gross


I think drealm has been represented very unfairly towards the end of the game and since on several counts.

He said some hurtful shit, I expressed it was hurtful and asked the mods to step in to prevent a fight.

What the fuck is the problem with that?

I love it, no matter what I do I can't win.

I scream and yell at people who are dicks, I get scolded.

I do what people tell me to do and go to the mods and express how it hurt? I get scolded.

Fuck this.

Both of you please don't.

This argument is a lot worse than what triggered me.

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I agree with Regfan

I townread him because the BP

That was actually a reason to scumread him, like so scummy it was basically a scumclaim. It made no sense to give it to anyone but Imperium/my slot/NMS and maybe one or two others, Sakura Hana was never eating a kill.

Doh I was dumb

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I agree with Regfan

I townread him because the BP

That was actually a reason to scumread him, like so scummy it was basically a scumclaim. It made no sense to give it to anyone but Imperium/my slot/NMS and maybe one or two others, Sakura Hana was never eating a kill.

THISSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS

Yes I was dumb

I was dysphoric and depressed and Drealmerz not being helpful and just telling me to read what I already read and telling me I can't understand context and I know that because I am an Aspie I need it explained it was horrible of me to vote I just wanted the day over

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Dunno i feel like all the town power was in my hands and i just fucked it up.

I don't think you can expect things to happen as they did.

Like, yes you gave Regfan the power night 1 but it turned out to be a super positive town move that protected you.

Night 2 was cancelled by me.

From that point on you targetted the night kill. You can be blamed for MAYBE one of those, but both? Like.... you can't predict every kill at that point.

I dunno I thoguht you were fine. I think your demotivation hurt you more than anything else.

I hope everything turns out better for you moving forward. I hated more than anything to see you lose all the passion you were displaying.

You were amazing Sakura

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At least I wasn't nuts about the flavor hints

Lolol LLD just happened to be that person not Hebichan *blush*

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Oh, and Nancy? Regarding your posts and Tammy's posts in the dead thread at the end?

I just went to Cabd because I felt it crossed a line for me personally, and I've been tyring my hardest to hold back with my anger management issues. If a warning wasn't given and it wasn't broken up, I was going to go over the line myself.

I don't care how "not transphobic or xenophobic" you think the dude is, it hurt and it crossed a line for me, so I decided to do what I've been told to do and ask the mod to intervene. If you have a problem with that, can't help you.

I'm sorry if you felt hurt. You have every right to feel it was offensive and what he said *was* inappropriate but saying that he was transphobic carries weight and I don't really agree with that characterization as I read it. I have no problem at all with you taking your feelings about it to the mod or talking about your feelings during the game. I have problems with using RL to get townread and while that's never something I would accuse most people of, I don't trust you that you wouldn't and your comments to MathBlade around that subject came across to me as another instance of that. That's what I was taking issue with.

In that comment I was essentially telling Mathblade not to tell me not to talk about it, and that I was allowed to feel hurt too.

If you think that this is somehow me trying to intentionally manipulate someone based on a common pain, you must really have a low opinion of me.

It was a post made entirely out of the context of the game, which is exactly why I went to a mod to get the conversation to stop, because I was ready to blow up on people.

I'm glad to know that when I blow up at people, I'm a monster and a bad person.

And when I go to the mods and express how I feel in a calmer maner, I'm apparently using my real life to manipulate people and a bad person.

Fucking Feels Good Man.

Both of you please stop you're both amazing and I care about you both a lot.

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LLD you have every right to be hurt and nancy you have every right to your perceptions but this is not the place please.

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LLD you have every right to be hurt and nancy you have every right to your perceptions but this is not the place please.

Ah yes, the old "there was fault on both sides" position.

No I am not saying anyone is at fault.

I think you are blameless actually.

I literally mean this is not the place.

I am trying to keep my shit together here.

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I am stepping away from the thread.

I literally don't think it is good for me to keep reading this.

Just know that I didn't take offense in what LLD said and I have no issues with anything in game or what the mods did

I don't think Drealmerz was intentional about what he said

Can we all just get along?