Beneath The Mask [Endgame]

[Purple Nurple]

The point is I don’t attract attention as scum early on. I’m usually town read by the majority. It’s practically a tell for me at this point.

And... you didn't attract attention before I pushed you, so again, moot point. I think like nobody had even mentioned you existed for ages until I called out your gladiator response as scum. You "didn't attract attention early on" here either, in fact, your play was just sheeping a stronger player's push, so again, I don't see your point.

[Purple Nurple]

I think he’s faking a read. I don’t buy that he scum reads him Chara.

why is my fake gladiate here scummy as opposed to other games i do it in? that's why you're voting me, right?

Maybe because it’s a theme game and I know that a threat of a gladiate isn’t real in the other queues so it means nothing.

And no it’s not the only reason.

So what is the other reason?

Stop ignoring me luv.

Speaking of choosing to ignore things though...

[Purple Nurple]

You’re right but the day isn’t over yet. And what day is it? Day 1! I’m currently the leading wagon and should be town by meta because of that.

So you're arguing it is optimal town play to not lynch you d1 right?

[Purple Nurple]

What... that sounds stupid? huh!

[Purple Nurple]

The thing is Eddie all you’re saying is that I wouldn’t vote you as town but why would as scum? Why would I make such a bad play in your eyes if I’m not known for not being sloppy?

You aren't "known" for anything, and this is @mulch also: you only like playing as scum, so of course you care more about your scumgame. I don't care for the wifom of "why would I", I just know town!you would NOT be certain I was scum here, and if you weren't supposedly certain I was scum you would answer my question with something else, so I don't give a fuck "why", maybe you thought you could get away with sheeping rational there since I often get in TvTs d1 that can get really toxic, maybe you're partners with rational and were joining the wagon, maybe rational's town and you're setting up my lynch -> theirs, maybe your buddy is pushing rational as you push me, maybe 50000 other things because you asked me a fucking stupid question like "why would I"?

[Purple Nurple]

This is why I check out of games as town. I get voted for dumb shit or things that are not AI.

There’s literally no case on me from you other then I wouldn’t vote you there as town when you don’t know what I’d do there as scum.

I don't need a case, that was the starting point. At this point you're receding to AtE and have refused to answer an extremely simple question multiple times because you know there was no answer and you knew the gladiate wasn't a reasonable reason to vote someone who's known for lying a lot. I don't want to hear the "this is why I check out of towngames" bullshit, but your second sentence is implying you aren't certain I'm scum or you wouldn't comment on "getting voted for dumb nai shit", so either you're scum and slipped I'm town or you're town and slipped you exaggerated how hard you SR me. Except, if its the latter, you need to answer the previous question which you still won't, which is why its the former.

[Purple Nurple]

No it's you are like 10 votes short of where you should be. Why. Am. I. Scum. You don't get to push the meta bullshit because its both irrelevant and happened after the fact.

[Purple Nurple]

Anyway I’m Yusuke, please unvote if you’re town.

Who is this and why should I unvote? More importantly, remember how much shit people gave to mulch for claiming... wait for it... after 4 measly votes? But sure

[Purple Nurple]

No it's you are like 10 votes short of where you should be. Why. Am. I. Scum. You don't get to push the meta bullshit because its both irrelevant and happened after the fact.

BTW, this would be a good way to get people to unvote you... like I already said. Convincing people I'm scum will convince them you're town. Of course, you can't do that, because its pointless to interact with scum, right?

[Purple Nurple]

Yusuke is a Phantom Thief and LUV crumbed a Dave townread early on.

I'd appreciate it if Purple would stop posting or reset their reads, because nothing useful comes out of that slot.

Excuse me but what happened to flavour isn't AI?

.../sigh.

[Purple Nurple]

brian, why am i not scum if i'm so useless?

[Purple Nurple]

Yeah, my style is to tunnel for reads, it works although yeah it can wreck gamestates.

UNVOTE:

I'll take a break for a bit, but as of now I still think luv is scum. Mastina is catching up over the next few days so I'll see if she agrees.

[Purple Nurple]

If you operate under the assumption luv is town smocaine is prossibly scum.

[Purple Nurple]

Btw, light fos kise.

Wanna start a wagon with me? He's my biggest sr.

id hammer him later but I want luv lynched and your slot isn't exactly a lock town read either

I don't see having a read on our slot would matter to voting someone you sr but alright
~Maki

I don't scumread him enough for me to want to do that though. if you were an ic, sure, i'd play ball.

this made me click my tongue mostly out of bewilderment you'd sheep a random IC just because they're Ic? I mean I guess sure. but having more confidence in your own reads should beat an IC so is RN your only "confident sr" at the moment?
~Maki

No, I wouldn't sheep a random IC. I've played with dumbass ICs (lapsa in boon's large is a good example). However, I would entertain their wishes, so if an IC asked me to do something I'd weight that a lot higher than some random null/slight scum person asking the same.

[Purple Nurple]

And no, rn isn't a confident SR, they're a town lean.

[Purple Nurple]

And no, rn isn't a confident SR, they're a town lean.

I give up trying to figure out where your reads are anymore.

I am beyond confused.

I hope Drixx can help me sort you because shit like this where you've been saying you've been scumreading me all day and wasn't a townread except you were 60/40 sure which makes me a scumread then someone says you scumread me and now you say you townread me.

I fucking give up Eddie.

--Math

You said I was townreading you early. That was a lie, I said as much, I had been scumreading you since pregame. This was not the point I said you were a town lean, and yes, I have town leaned you for a while, and said so a few times, hence why I'm even bothering to engage you. Non sarcastic point: https://www.google.ca/search?q=what+is+ ... e&ie=UTF-8

[Purple Nurple]

Have you not noticed I was voting luv, for like, 35 pages? Where would RN is a confident scumread be relevant in why I wouldn't vote smocaine over luv? o.o

[Purple Nurple]

VOTE: brian

[Purple Nurple]

quoting posts for no reason is fun!

[Purple Nurple]

*yawn*

my dumbass dog tore my quadriceps so i'm basically not gonna be doing anything today, come talk to me

[Purple Nurple]

Eddie, why are you voting Brian? and ouch, sorry to hear it.

pedit: talk about your vote?

key; because people were getting on my ass for ruining the game so i'm taking a break on luv even though i still don't see why his "anger" and claiming a pt now makes him town even though not 5 pages before people were getting on my ass because flavour is nai.

[Purple Nurple]

We've reached that point. The point where my ability can activate.

are you caught up now?

[Purple Nurple]

VOTE: kise

if i believe math is town this is the correct vote

[Purple Nurple]

ftr, im okay with chikoritas wagon too.

[Purple Nurple]

yes night. unless you mean right now, then no, we need to lynch first. :<

talk about Kise Eddie?
pedit: and Smocaine?

Enough people are fosing that slot and I don't townread it at all, it would be a good wagon.

[Purple Nurple]

I will read it during the night. Anything I should pay special attention to?

I thought you meant that irl day night...

We aren't even close to a lynch, waiting for night is not cool.

[Purple Nurple]

okay yume can be town

[Purple Nurple]

what are you doing that is so useful ramcius?

[Purple Nurple]

VOTE: ramcius

i want your wagon

[Purple Nurple]

VOTE: ramcius

i want your wagon

why?

I don't mind cutting dead weight D1 in big games even if they have green role card

[Purple Nurple]

that's not actively doing something and there is no evidence to support it, try again

The implication was that you've done fuck all too, aside from pick your role.

So why the fuck are you voting me for having the same involvement that you have?

he's had more involvement than you

[Purple Nurple]

That's what my active ability is. If anyone has six or more votes on their person, I can execute them in an awesome fashion. That's why I said I can't be lynched once, cos even if you get me in lynch range, I can escape getting lynched once by executing someone.

why in the fuck are you claiming this, how does this make you lynchproof, you're this on top of a miller?

[Purple Nurple]

VOTE: ramcius

i want your wagon

why?

I don't mind cutting dead weight D1 in big games even if they have green role card

Did i upset you for calling your buddy dead weight? Sorry not sorry, was fun to talk to ya, see ya around

what exactly are you doing that makes you not dead weight? your awesome popins such as "pn and rn might be staged" and "do I need to policy lynch you again"? threatening to pl a person who's posting more than you?

[Purple Nurple]

yume, I believe we should test your ability today.

that said, not yet, still lots thst needs to be done, particularly around a lot of dead slots needing to post more and rn posting their reevaluation.

[Purple Nurple]

VOTE: ramcius

i want your wagon

why?

I don't mind cutting dead weight D1 in big games even if they have green role card

Did i upset you for calling your buddy dead weight? Sorry not sorry, was fun to talk to ya, see ya around

what exactly are you doing that makes you not dead weight? your awesome popins such as "pn and rn might be staged" and "do I need to policy lynch you again"? threatening to pl a person who's posting more than you?

do you really want go down this road? your attack on my post count shows how little you understand in FM, so how about we stop here?

if I was voting you for post count I would be voting yume. I don't know what FM is jsyk

[Purple Nurple]

what are you doing that is so useful ramcius?

not targeting anyone in particular, it's just nothing really worth while is going on in this game... it just kinda consists of "hey guy x is scum" "no I'm guy x and I'm not scum "" Oh okay guy y is scum" rinse and fucking repeat

so make something useful go on. if famous is gonna threaten to policy lynch someone being more productive than him for bring unproductive I'm gonna call that bull out

[Purple Nurple]

why is that different than any large? I'm having a really hard time seeing your argument

[Purple Nurple]

VOTE: ramcius

[Purple Nurple]

VOTE: ramcius

i want your wagon

why?

I don't mind cutting dead weight D1 in big games even if they have green role card

Did i upset you for calling your buddy dead weight? Sorry not sorry, was fun to talk to ya, see ya around

what exactly are you doing that makes you not dead weight? your awesome popins such as "pn and rn might be staged" and "do I need to policy lynch you again"? threatening to pl a person who's posting more than you?

do you really want go down this road? your attack on my post count shows how little you understand in FM, so how about we stop here?

if I was voting you for post count I would be voting yume. I don't know what FM is jsyk

do i have become Math and put your nose in your own posts? You literally pointed out i have less posts than Mulch

FM is forum mafia, the very thing we are in

If you want to get personal pm me after the game and I can show you exactly why I'm leagues better than you are or ever will be. Theres no point bringing that up in a game when we have wincons and its a distraction. But sure, I don't understand FM.

Why don't you show me exactly what you're seeing? What im seeing is a dumbass who refuses to give reads and attacks other players for doing exactly what you're doing. Also, I think you're town.


VOTE: kise

[Purple Nurple]

VOTE: ramcius

never mind. that last line is not ok.

[Purple Nurple]

fuck it i can't play this game

[Purple Nurple]

i think ramcius is town atm

[Purple Nurple]

If you want to get personal pm me after the game and I can show you exactly why I'm leagues better than you are or ever will be. Theres no point bringing that up in a game when we have wincons and its a distraction. But sure, I don't understand FM.

Why don't you show me exactly what you're seeing? What im seeing is a dumbass who refuses to give reads and attacks other players for doing exactly what you're doing. Also, I think you're town.


VOTE: kise

thx for another good laugh, but you aren't better, and i'm too lazy pull my crystal ball in middle of the night to see future. I can tell one thing for a fact - you not doing same as i do, you lost your head, when i provoked you into voting me

P-edit: aaaand we back

Spoiler: if you want to see me not understanding FM

Let's look at each of our last 5 completed games. edit: i would do more but you don't have any others i could find that you hadn't subbed from that were recentish, had 5 for me already in a clipboard so pasted. does not include subbed games nor "noncompetitive" games (as in, I didn't include grand idea).

viewtopic.php?f=56&t=71096 - Won, you were the day 1 lynch.
viewtopic.php?f=56&t=71688 - Won, you were the day 2 lynch.
viewtopic.php?f=56&t=72144 - Won, played fine here I guess, tunnelled titus on a quick skim but eh I can empathize.
viewtopic.php?f=56&t=71300 - Won, again, played fine. killed n4.

vs

viewtopic.php?f=83&t=73043 - Lost, the entire game I tunnelled both scum, got lynched day 3 but I know math from the dead thread and I think luv would agree I deserved the win there.
viewtopic.php?f=53&t=72998 - Won, endgamed for a very clean win.
viewtopic.php?f=83&t=73125 - Won, endgamed for a very clean win.
viewtopic.php?f=53&t=72708 - Won, lynched day 4 after successfully doccing town two of the three nights (/still salty), I had the entire scum team day 4 though.
viewtopic.php?f=83&t=72576 - Won, tunnelled BOTH scum the entire day 1, got one lynched, got night killed and got the other lynched postmortem.

So actually, this shows me you aren't as bad as your play this game makes me believe.

UNVOTE:

Give your scumreads. There is NO BENEFIT to not outing them. People argue not doing reads lists is good because it doesn't out your townreads for scum to know early on, which I can understand, but not giving your scumreads is anti-town and awful play. Also, you should explain your townreads here now that you've given them because they're all likely enough lynches, especially the latter 2. And ftr, I knew I wasn't going to like this game and why I will probably be disappearing when Mastina is back.

[Purple Nurple]

Do you not think any competent scum is careful when talking to anyone regardless of their read status?

I can empathize with your general point because I fake/exaggerate reads for reactions and the like somewhat often, but I don't think it really stands when we do need to sort you as well as possibly agree with your scumreads

[Purple Nurple]

Do you not think any competent scum is careful when talking to anyone regardless of their read status?

I can empathize with your general point because I fake/exaggerate reads for reactions and the like somewhat often, but I don't think it really stands when we do need to sort you as well as possibly agree with your scumreads

If we talking about competent scums, then it's less likely they end up in my scumreads on D1 and even if they do, it would be hard push for their lynch, so my focus is less competent scums early on

can you start by explaining your townreads?

[Purple Nurple]

[spoiler="Idk if I'm doing this spoiler right]][/spoiler][/spoiler]

why is that different than any large? I'm having a really hard time seeing your argument

VOTE: ramcius

i want your wagon

why?

I don't mind cutting dead weight D1 in big games even if they have green role card

Did i upset you for calling your buddy dead weight? Sorry not sorry, was fun to talk to ya, see ya around

what exactly are you doing that makes you not dead weight? your awesome popins such as "pn and rn might be staged" and "do I need to policy lynch you again"? threatening to pl a person who's posting more than you?

do you really want go down this road? your attack on my post count shows how little you understand in FM, so how about we stop here?

if I was voting you for post count I would be voting yume. I don't know what FM is jsyk

do i have become Math and put your nose in your own posts? You literally pointed out i have less posts than Mulch

FM is forum mafia, the very thing we are in

If you want to get personal pm me after the game and I can show you exactly why I'm leagues better than you are or ever will be. Theres no point bringing that up in a game when we have wincons and its a distraction. But sure, I don't understand FM.

Why don't you show me exactly what you're seeing? What im seeing is a dumbass who refuses to give reads and attacks other players for doing exactly what you're doing. Also, I think you're town.


VOTE: kise

[/spoiler]

HURT: purple nurple

it seems like you're voting for personal reasons against who kise really is, not who kise is in the game

-echo

excuse me? I have never played with, talked to, or heard of kise before this game, and I have never implied anything else.

pedit- - lol

[Purple Nurple]

why is that different than any large? I'm having a really hard time seeing your argument

it wasn't an argument for anything, so that would be why you're having trouble seeing my argument

so what was the point of saying it?

[Purple Nurple]

because everyone's bickering "blah blah blah you're not doing anything in this game blah " but nobody is actually doing much of anything

well, you are one of the ones not doing much of anything, so i don't see why that matters. there's lots to go off, we are at page 80 and i don't agree with the statement nobody is doing anything.

[Purple Nurple]

it's a shitty/invalid excuse for a "scum read" at this point

hm.?

you're confusing me so much lol

would you mind laying out your stronger reads to either direction?

[Purple Nurple]

i'm very confused at how yume's claim would fit a miller...?

[Purple Nurple]

anyways i have no clue where i want to vote at this point so i'm hoping mastina does when she's done catching up. luv is still scum but nobody is gonna listen today so whatever.

[Purple Nurple]

any update drixx?

[Purple Nurple]

eli, can you show me why this is incredibly obviously scum mulch?

[Purple Nurple]

Scum are {Mulch, Kise} + some subset of:

PenguinPower
Yume
Leonshade
Chesskid3
Smocaine
keyenpeydee

I'm drained and don't have the energy or motivation to convince you people through words right now.
but I implore you all to at least listen to the first two after I flip.
and to just maybe listen to the rest after they're right.

I have a little time and I'm willing to chat with some of my townreads for a bit but I'm not in the mood atm to have a talk with someone who can't assume I'm acting in good faith for the duration of the conversation. I'm frustrated enough by some stuff outside of this game.

do this now. please.

VOTE: creature

i guess i'll place my vote here in the meantime as there has been nowhere near enough activity and engagement for town creature.

[Purple Nurple]

any update drixx?

He hasn't responded on Slack guessing a RL issue.

Haven't tried myself and won't do it tonight not in right head space.

--Math

okay

i don't think either of us consider the other a bad player so it is indeed probably best if we let drixx deal with it and not argue more, especially since i more townread you now for ~reasons~.

[Purple Nurple]

is there anything else you're thinking of atm math? gamestate wise and whatnot? do you want to answer the question I posed ages ago that was brushed off (do you believe luv is scum if i'm town)?

[Purple Nurple]

the others were town

[Purple Nurple]

smocaine, what made you decide to sheep ME?

like, i get you said we are skilled players, but there are other skilled players here too

i'm perfectly okay with it, don't get me wrong, but when i was ctrl fing your name in my iso i noticed pretty much everything i had said about you was fosing. why you chose to sheep someone who was openly suspect of you is what i don't get.

[Purple Nurple]

VOTE COUNT 1 . 25 Lil Uzi Vert ------- 4 ( Not Chara, Smocaine, Purple Nurple, Mulch ) L- 8 Smocaine ----------- 4 ( Creature, WhemeStar, Chesskid3, Brian Skies ) L- 8 Purple Nurple ------ 3 ( RationalNumbers, Lil Uzi Vert, Alchemist21 ) L- 9 Elibereth ---------- 2 ( Kise, davesaz ) L- 10 Yume --------------- 2 ( Ramicus, Maki and Kaito ) L- 10 Brian Skies -------- 1 ( Leonshade ) L- 11 Mulch -------------- 1 ( Elibereth ) L- 11 ChikoritasInAction - 1 ( Varsoon ) L- 12 Ramicus ------------ 1 ( ChikoritasInAction ) L- 11 Varsoon ------------ 1 ( xRECKONERx ) L- 10 Not Voting --------- 2 ( PenguinPower, Yume ) With 22 alive, it takes 12 to Lynch Deadline is in (expired on 2017-10-24 19:13:48)

FOS COUNT 1 . 25 Ramicus ------------ 3 ( Purple Nurple, RationalNumbers, Smocaine ) xRECKONERx --------- 3 ( Purple Nurple, RationalNumbers, Smocaine ) Chesskid3 ---------- 3 ( Not Chara, RationalNumbers, Smocaine ) RationalNumbers ---- 3 ( Purple Nurple, Leonshade, Smocaine ) Smocaine ----------- 3 ( Purple Nurple, Smocaine, Brian Skies ) Ellibereth --------- 3 ( RationalNumbers, Smocaine, Brian Skies ) Maki and Kaito ----- 2 ( Purple Nurple, Smocaine ) Not Chara ---------- 2 ( RationalNumbers, Smocaine ) Varsoon ------------ 2 ( RationalNumbers, Smocaine ) Purple Nurple ------ 2 ( RationalNumbers, Smocaine ) Alchemist21 -------- 2 ( Smocaine, Brian Skies ) ChikoritasInAction - 2 ( Smocaine, Brian Skies ) Varsoon ------------ 2 ( Smocaine, Brian Skies ) Yume --------------- 2 ( Smocaine, Brian Skies ) WhemeStar ---------- 2 ( Smocaine, Davesaz ) Davesaz ------------ 1 ( Smocaine ) Creature ----------- 1 ( Smocaine ) Kise --------------- 1 ( Smocaine ) Brian Skies -------- 1 ( Smocaine ) Lil Uzi Vert ------- 1 ( Smocaine ) Mulch -------------- 1 ( Smocaine ) PenguinPower ------- 1 ( Smocaine ) Not FoS'ing -------- 16 ( Alchemist21, Chesskid3, ChikoritasInAction, Creature, Ellibereth, Kise, Lil Uzi Vert, Maki and Kaito, Mulch, PenguinPower, Ramcius, Varsoon, WhemeStar, xRECKONERx, Yume ) With 22 alive, it takes 12 to Lynch Deadline is in (expired on 2017-10-24 19:13:48)

chara is either pocketing me or echoing me, he gets a town pass. mulch is town /for now/. i find it hard to believe a town me argued with a town luv so much and scum didn't join in at some point, and that point would most likely be the dude sheeping someone who scumread them i'd think. granted, i town lean you and still think luv is scum, but in a world with town luv you're the most likely scum candidate.

[Purple Nurple]

Do you think any of the high posters are scum Purple?

uzi, but really, what do you classify as high poster? activity is pretty equal other than a couple super low people and me having the most posts by a decent bit.

[Purple Nurple]

Do you not think any competent scum is careful when talking to anyone regardless of their read status?

I can empathize with your general point because I fake/exaggerate reads for reactions and the like somewhat often, but I don't think it really stands when we do need to sort you as well as possibly agree with your scumreads

If we talking about competent scums, then it's less likely they end up in my scumreads on D1 and even if they do, it would be hard push for their lynch, so my focus is less competent scums early on

can you start by explaining your townreads?

how about you tell why you disagree with my town reads and we discuss that

i should preview before posting

i think i've been very clear on why i don't think luv is town and chikoritas is a wagon so i think it is perfectly fair to ask you to justify both.

[Purple Nurple]

@PN, where'd the Creature vote come from?
More Elibereth votes please.
I think I agreed with Smocaine wagon too, and we're kinda in a place where town needs a

*

wagon

*

to get some good data to work with later.

I intended (and still intend) to vote Eli if his response to my post at him is unsatisfactory.

[Purple Nurple]

@PN, where'd the Creature vote come from?
More Elibereth votes please.
I think I agreed with Smocaine wagon too, and we're kinda in a place where town needs a

*

wagon

*

to get some good data to work with later.

Creature's activity.

[Purple Nurple]

i think i've been very clear on why i don't think luv is town and chikoritas is a wagon so i think it is perfectly fair to ask you to justify both.

No, i can't justify people's stupidity, ignorance or anything else that makes them vote Chicoritas, cause i feel strange, when couple days ago everyone ignored them, when i was fighting them, now they "hot wagon"?

So, your case against LUV is his reaction to your gladiate?

and other things that happened after that, but thats why i voted him

you don't need to "justify their stupidity" though. saying why you townread them creates discourse for you to either convince any town on the wagon that your townread is town OR convincing you that he's scum and you were wrong. justify your townreads doesn't mean arguing with people initially, it means saying why you townread them.

[Purple Nurple]

i think i've been very clear on why i don't think luv is town and chikoritas is a wagon so i think it is perfectly fair to ask you to justify both.

No, i can't justify people's stupidity, ignorance or anything else that makes them vote Chicoritas, cause i feel strange, when couple days ago everyone ignored them, when i was fighting them, now they "hot wagon"?

So, your case against LUV is his reaction to your gladiate?

and other things that happened after that, but thats why i voted him

you don't need to "justify their stupidity" though. saying why you townread them creates discourse for you to either convince any town on the wagon that your townread is town OR convincing you that he's scum and you were wrong. justify your townreads doesn't mean arguing with people initially, it means saying why you townread them.

Do CiA in danger? No. Do people provided case that i could argue? No. So i see no reason do do anything about their wagon

CiA?

case doesn't matter. it is your job as town to prevent town getting lynched to the best of your abilities, that's an awful mindset.

[Purple Nurple]

i think i've been very clear on why i don't think luv is town and chikoritas is a wagon so i think it is perfectly fair to ask you to justify both.

No, i can't justify people's stupidity, ignorance or anything else that makes them vote Chicoritas, cause i feel strange, when couple days ago everyone ignored them, when i was fighting them, now they "hot wagon"?

So, your case against LUV is his reaction to your gladiate?

and other things that happened after that, but thats why i voted him

you don't need to "justify their stupidity" though. saying why you townread them creates discourse for you to either convince any town on the wagon that your townread is town OR convincing you that he's scum and you were wrong. justify your townreads doesn't mean arguing with people initially, it means saying why you townread them.

Do CiA in danger? No. Do people provided case that i could argue? No. So i see no reason do do anything about their wagon

CiA?

case doesn't matter. it is your job as town to prevent town getting lynched to the best of your abilities, that's an awful mindset.

someone else came with that name and i use it, when i'm too lazy write Chicoritas

last VC shows they at L-10, maybe got couple votes after, i can't remember, too lazy check, still, miles from getting lynched, so i see no reason to jump gun.

How many times you going try to attack my playstyle till you have enough?

you're refusing to out your scumreads or explain your townreads

i'm going to attack your playstyle until it stops being anti-town

[Purple Nurple]

you're refusing to out your scumreads or explain your townreads

i'm going to attack your playstyle until it stops being anti-town

have fun i guess, i have no obligations to answer your questions/requests, so don't be surprised, if next time i simply ignore you

no you don't have any obligations

VOTE: ramcius

[Purple Nurple]

my vote is staying here until i get explained scumreads and explained townreads. nowhere better for my vote rn anyways

[Purple Nurple]

you're refusing to out your scumreads or explain your townreads

i'm going to attack your playstyle until it stops being anti-town

have fun i guess, i have no obligations to answer your questions/requests, so don't be surprised, if next time i simply ignore you

no you don't have any obligations

VOTE: ramcius

is it how you are better than me? First, you missed fact that you aren't my TR, so i have no real reason share my reads with you, then you vote your townread, because you don't get answers you want.

And you think you have right attack way how i play?

i have no problem removing dead weight day 1

[Purple Nurple]

i am not moving my vote until i get an answer that satisfies me. you do with that what you will.

if you're going to be a useless fuck and not help the game at all i have absolutely no problem lynching you

all you've done is occasionally pop in with useless bullshit, and be obnoxious. you won't help town's wincon which is catching scum, or the secondary function which is not lynching town. your iso does not have any reads progession whatsoever. you voted chikoritas a long ass time ago, threatened to policy lynch mulch, and actually didn't even mention luv in your iso before calling him a townread. if you're town two of the three reads you've given are backwards from mine and i've tried to get you to engage with me on them but you won't, so we are stuck with one of us being wrong because of your bullheaded stupidity. why don't you go back and show me how many lynches you've EVER pushed through? or how often you are lynched? or how often you win? or how often you vote scum vs town? i guarantee i beat you in ever department, but you keep insisting on bringing this into a personal argument of you being better than me. i think you're town, and i am trying and have tried to work with you, but you're refusing to engage with me and that isn't okay because late game that is the difference between a win and a loss. you want me to explain why i scumread uzi yet i've already done that many times and chikoritas has nothing in my opinion that would warrant them being a townread at this stage. call this a policy vote, i have nobody my vote really needs to be on right now so my vote is staying here until you actually answer me and i fully believe you aren't scum trying to get out of having to give scumreads or more likely scum who gave out some names as townreads and can't justify them. just because i townread you doesn't mean infallibly so.

[Purple Nurple]

Leonshade and alchemist feel really scummy. luv, what do you make of those two?

why leon?

[Purple Nurple]

mastina hurry up so i can leave this game -_-

[Purple Nurple]

i am not moving my vote until i get an answer that satisfies me. you do with that what you will.

if you're going to be a useless fuck and not help the game at all i have absolutely no problem lynching you

all you've done is occasionally pop in with useless bullshit, and be obnoxious. you won't help town's wincon which is catching scum, or the secondary function which is not lynching town. your iso does not have any reads progession whatsoever. you voted chikoritas a long ass time ago, threatened to policy lynch mulch, and actually didn't even mention luv in your iso before calling him a townread. if you're town two of the three reads you've given are backwards from mine and i've tried to get you to engage with me on them but you won't, so we are stuck with one of us being wrong because of your bullheaded stupidity. why don't you go back and show me how many lynches you've EVER pushed through? or how often you are lynched? or how often you win? or how often you vote scum vs town? i guarantee i beat you in ever department, but you keep insisting on bringing this into a personal argument of you being better than me. i think you're town, and i am trying and have tried to work with you, but you're refusing to engage with me and that isn't okay because late game that is the difference between a win and a loss. you want me to explain why i scumread uzi yet i've already done that many times and chikoritas has nothing in my opinion that would warrant them being a townread at this stage. call this a policy vote, i have nobody my vote really needs to be on right now so my vote is staying here until you actually answer me and i fully believe you aren't scum trying to get out of having to give scumreads or more likely scum who gave out some names as townreads and can't justify them. just because i townread you doesn't mean infallibly so.

I'm not cooperative? I asked what problem you have with my townreads? Your answer was "CiA have wagon on them and go look my ISO for LUV", why should i bother with that? If you really wanted discuss, you could write couple sentences why you scumread them. You didn't, so how about if you stop shading me?

Do you really want fight me on my reads department? Surreptitious i got 2 scums D1 that i was pushing and i had traitor that i didn't named in thread, town lynched me instead, Real folks blue i lost interest, when people ignored 2 scums i was pushing and i got lynched D2 for not having PR role pretty much, Divergent i led lynches on scums D1 and D2, i named last 2 scums in my hood N4, when sk killed me, but my buddy decided ignore those, KH i pushed scum lynch D1 and D2, i was ignored, i was on other scum tail too, but people were "no way this slot can be scum, cause of drama it caused before", so stop bringing up how godlike you are and how bad i am, when you have no idea of my plays. We mid D1, i have no reason to lay down my reads just like that, so i really dislike your interrogation, when you not try cooperate, but just try learn what i know

I don't scumread CiA, but I see no justification that could allow someone to townread them based on the amount of content and lack of impression they have. Plus, they're a wagon. That's why I want CiA townread justification from you. Luv I have spent a LOT of time talking about and it annoys me you want me to regurgitate it yet again and are too lazy to go look. We aren't "mid day 1", we are 6 days from deadline in a 22 person game and you actively and openly aren't trying to get your scumreads lynched "because you don't want then to know you scumread them" which is utter bullshit. I never said I was godlike and I never said you were bad,

you are the one who brought up player skill AND you are the one who brought it up a second time later

. I refuted your points, and that's that. I have no idea of your plays? Your plays like "does PN and RN feel staged" "I am better than you" "I don't want my scumreads to know I scumread them" "I have no reason to argue why a major wagon is town"? I'm sorry I have no idea of your plays. I tried to cooperate, I tried to focus on your townreads first since scum already know you townread them (:lol:) and I don't know exactly what you know you think I should try to learn but maybe don't bring up player skill and I won't cite why I'm better than you, don't refuse to do the most basic thing in mafia which is give and explain reads, and don't talk with a cocky ass attitude that YES you brought up because YOU are the one who decided to say I'm bad and you're better than me.

[Purple Nurple]

Purple, it's poe/vibes. The dude has faded completely to the background and not offered much in the way of opinion lately. It feels like scum was waiting for town to snowball on me for a while.

Leonshade, how you feeling this game? You seem like the type of dude who should be a tr by now, cute avi and all. But it's not there

Do you not think the same of Eli?

[Purple Nurple]

In a game of this size, with 6 days left, we should start to consolidate our votes.
If we don't agree on a wagon soon, we're going to have a last-minute swing or failure to lynch.
Both are not ideal options.

Or death sentencing from me.

Since one of our core mechanics is built around getting cop results from a deathless slot at night, I would save the death-sentencing for until night phase isn't as useful for us. But, yes, if deadline approaches and no one can consolidate on a wagon, just axe one if we're at, like, 1 hour left, please.

In a game of this size, with 6 days left, we should start to consolidate our votes.
If we don't agree on a wagon soon, we're going to have a last-minute swing or failure to lynch.
Both are not ideal options.

Could you explain your gripe with CIA like I’m 5?

Just go back and read my 1575 through 1580. Also, they had an unclaimed loved modifier.
I can't really simplify it more than:
-Their content knowledge is reflective of a scum position
-Their content knowledge and mechanics claimed are good fit for scum flavor
-Their play is scum play, intent on making sheeping easy wagons and negatively presenting other players over engagement/figuring out the game.

Valid point. There was no benefit of not claiming loved in pregame with all of the posting they did BEFORE roles were distributed, since, after all, it would've been outed the very first time they were voted.

[Purple Nurple]

and also you can agree that mulch scum => math town yeah?

yeah. among others, mulch scum opens the game up a lot i think because there's a lot of people i just don't see as his partner.. the problem is mulch town doesn't really help and as of now i think that's the case.

[Purple Nurple]

Also skirt you can read that later and I don't have that much time so I'd rather talk than have you right a long response and me not to be here.

I have Kise scum and Math town but I missed the connection between the too what was it.

call it gut, my mind does weird things like that while gamesolving. i don't really have any reason to townread kise, assuming math is town there was no real towncred for "siding" with me because we would both be town, math and others brought up valid points against him, etc.

[Purple Nurple]

I don't scumread CiA, but I see no justification that could allow someone to townread them based on the amount of content and lack of impression they have. Plus, they're a wagon. That's why I want CiA townread justification from you. Luv I have spent a LOT of time talking about and it annoys me you want me to regurgitate it yet again and are too lazy to go look. We aren't "mid day 1", we are 6 days from deadline in a 22 person game and you actively and openly aren't trying to get your scumreads lynched "because you don't want then to know you scumread them" which is utter bullshit. I never said I was godlike and I never said you were bad,

you are the one who brought up player skill AND you are the one who brought it up a second time later

. I refuted your points, and that's that. I have no idea of your plays? Your plays like "does PN and RN feel staged" "I am better than you" "I don't want my scumreads to know I scumread them" "I have no reason to argue why a major wagon is town"? I'm sorry I have no idea of your plays. I tried to cooperate, I tried to focus on your townreads first since scum already know you townread them (:lol:) and I don't know exactly what you know you think I should try to learn but maybe don't bring up player skill and I won't cite why I'm better than you, don't refuse to do the most basic thing in mafia which is give and explain reads, and don't talk with a cocky ass attitude that YES you brought up because YOU are the one who decided to say I'm bad and you're better than me.

i never said i'm better, i just said you are bad, because you clearly don't want accept people use different approaches to games

you were bashing each other for a week, but neither of you was trying to push wagon on other, then came yours 60/40 read, which fits really nicely to scenario "mastina makes gambit, Math joins game and dislikes gambit, mastina MIA and you try defend yourself from your scumbuddy without trying to push him too much", but you never asked why i made that observation, you simply saw me as a VI (if you town ofc, which i doubt more and more)

i used play with 120 hours days, so 6 days is more than enough for me and 6 days out of 14 is mid day

Yes, i have no reason argue wagon, when people don't explain their reasons to join wagon in first place, and calling that wagon major is a bit of exaggeration

i tunnel for reads. sorry if you don't like that. i am fine with other playstyles, that's exactly how i'm able to consider rc and boon and math good players even though i don't like any of their playstyles too much. there's a difference between having a different playstyle and refusing to do the fundamental element of mafia which is scumhunt. voting null reads, refusing to give scumreads, refusing to defend your townreads; none of that is scumhunting.

before i pushed math, how many people had that slot as town?

the fact you are thinking me and rn have a decent chance of being svs shows me you really don't understand this game. that isn't what svs looks like, flat out.

it was the second biggest wagon, and others had expressed approval of it, so yes, i consider it a major wagon.

[Purple Nurple]

I PROMISE you guys are wrong.
I can't explain to you guys explicitly how to do it but can you try to do the exercise I talked about with going through those three isos and some of his md stuff and comparing it to here?

Like I can kinda understand getting null if you have no experience with doing this but town is just shocking.

i said i'm willing to listen to a scum case, and i said mulch is capable of faking this as scum from the beginning. i probably have the most experience with mulch in this game outside of maybe mm4? i don't have time to pick apart 3 isos as well as this game though, nor any real desire to. i want something that shows why this blowup is like his scum fake blowups and unlike his town blowups, because both elements are important; if its just different from both then this is just a new scenario and meta doesn't matter.

[Purple Nurple]

I honestly haven't even looked at the isos. But I don't think it's going to be worth comparing three games where he may have been run up as a VT as opposed to a game where he was being run up as a PR.

this doesn't matter to me though. this kind of emotion wouldn't differ if you were a pr.

[Purple Nurple]

Second things second, Purple you're going to be disappointed in one way at least.

I thought about it and a lot of it does just come from experience. It's going to take a lot of effort to explain something that's just intuitive to me to people that just don't have said intuition because I'll have to explain tons of shit from scratch and I frankly don't want to put in the effort and don't think it's worth the time.

That said I saw that some people are saying that the MD things I linked are irrelevant when that just isn't true.

1. He isn't just talking about his scum play there, he has discussed his play as both alignments. (There's also more stuff than the ones I linked earlier, just search his name).

2. It's not about direct relevance, it's about building a psychological profile of the subject. His MD posts are as revealing for building said profile as his town games since we can assume he's operating in an honest state.

Have you read/skimmed his town games? Especially the three completed where he gets lynched d1 as town? For the people who have and are reading him as town for nonflavor reasons I've given up on completely. If you have and are reading him as null it's going to be some work for me to explain but I'm particularily not motivated in this game because I can just show it through other means. We on the same page?

I guess I can describe the process a little since I have some time. First build a profile: take a look at places where you assume the subject is acting naturally/without intent to lie. This takes some time and effort. For Mulch an obvious start would be has a highish opinion of his own play and method to approaching things, thinks it's a lot of other people's fault for ragging on him for non alignment indicating stuff, aware of other people's mostly negative opinions on him, etc.

Next look at what happened this game. A key part was the timing of this particular blowup and the choice of how he went about it. Just think about if from the perspective of a player who's aware of the general feeling that his playstyle is suboptimal and probably pro-scum and who has reacted negatively to it before. Look at the timing of when he chose to blow up, the drama he chose to build with the coundown clock. Look at how little signs in his words there were that he actually just gave up. The guy was putting on a show. Look at the lack of really trying to have an influence on the rest of the game other than the 1v1 he engaged in with me. Look at the lack of putting out his reads. Saying not to lynch this person, to look at that person. There was no attitude at all of him thinking I'm dying partially for the sake of the town. It was just a giant show to get people to townread him for the raw emotion.

tldr ;I've mostly given up/am too lazy to convince you guys with words on Mulch, (I ended up writing something anyways I guess)... but as fate has it I have other ways of being convincing.

Here I'm super nice I'll append some links to game he got lynched D1 to compare with, Just a quick iso and a look at how he acted predeath in each should be sufficient to see the difference. I still stand by searching and reading his MD posts are also very revealing if you want to do that too. :

viewtopic.php?f=53&t=72397&user_select% ... &start=400

viewtopic.php?t=72998&f=53&st=0&sk=t&sd ... er_sort=Go

viewtopic.php?f=53&t=72708&user_select% ... &start=200

I was scum when my team orchestrated his blowup in one of those games (because mulch blowing up as town is predictable and exploitable), and I was one of the towns in the other game when I hadn't played with him before (and in that game he did call out most of the scum as part of his blowup). I can talk about these from experience. The thing is, none of these compare to those because in none of those games was he persecuted by half the game, and these don't demonstrate a fake blowup as scum to compare this to.

[Purple Nurple]

I play differently as a BOMBASTIC TOWN HERO ROLE vs a stupid lame PR vs a VT

just my two cents

play differently? okay

ate differently? nah

[Purple Nurple]

I PROMISE you guys are wrong.
I can't explain to you guys explicitly how to do it but can you try to do the exercise I talked about with going through those three isos and some of his md stuff and comparing it to here?

Like I can kinda understand getting null if you have no experience with doing this but town is just shocking.

i said i'm willing to listen to a scum case, and i said mulch is capable of faking this as scum from the beginning. i probably have the most experience with mulch in this game outside of maybe mm4? i don't have time to pick apart 3 isos as well as this game though, nor any real desire to. i want something that shows why this blowup is like his scum fake blowups and unlike his town blowups, because both elements are important; if its just different from both then this is just a new scenario and meta doesn't matter.

uh I disagree.
If all town blowups are similar and this one is different it should suffice.

throw in the bonus on him flipping scum means breaking the fucking game wide open.

okay, but have you actually looked at his fake scum blowups?

[Purple Nurple]

i tunnel for reads. sorry if you don't like that. i am fine with other playstyles, that's exactly how i'm able to consider rc and boon and math good players even though i don't like any of their playstyles too much. there's a difference between having a different playstyle and refusing to do the fundamental element of mafia which is scumhunt. voting null reads, refusing to give scumreads, refusing to defend your townreads; none of that is scumhunting.

before i pushed math, how many people had that slot as town?

the fact you are thinking me and rn have a decent chance of being svs shows me you really don't understand this game. that isn't what svs looks like, flat out.

it was the second biggest wagon, and others had expressed approval of it, so yes, i consider it a major wagon.

I looked games you linked yesterday - all mini's and micro's, what experience you have in large ones? 20+ ppl preferably, but little smaller probably fine too

Voting null reads makes them act, so you can try make read on them easier. What changes, if i tell my lynch preferences 3 days before EoD instead of spilling them now? Do you going prosecute them on spot and end day earlier? Why defend townread, if i don't see him getting lynched anyway? That's rhetorical questions, no need answer

I never said it was decent chance, don't twist my words, i said it's possible looking at how neither of you pushed other to be wagoned, and i have seen such SvS that you would drop from your chair, if you seen them

i don't like larges. i don't consider them as competitive as minis and don't enjoy them really. ftr, i also don't really like micros, happened to be in some though. i think my last completed large was viewtopic.php?f=55&t=71353 and if you want theme viewtopic.php?f=56&t=70536 excluding a game i afkd the entire time cause hydra + i had quit mafia.

if you tell me your lynch preferences 3 days before eod that means we only have 3 days to discuss them and then hypothetically organize a lynch on them. ALSO, you never said you would give them 3 days before eod, so if thats the case i'll drop it because i don't really care.

what do you mean neither of us pushed the other to get wagoned? what exactly do you think we were trying to accomplish by walling at each other? i've done hardcore bussing, there was a micro where frogger and i were the scumteam and we were the two most widely townread players and hardcore pushed each other (it worked, I let him lynch me day 2 and we won cleanly) (viewtopic.php?f=84&t=70624).

[Purple Nurple]

Not to mention, Mulch gave warning posts that it wasn't a good idea to push his direction, and people pushed him anyway.

At that point, I thought that he was scum gambiting, not literally game-throwing town.
My fucking bad.

so mulch is town?

[Purple Nurple]

VOTE: kise

jsyk, i think mulch v eli is tvs. it isn't a tvt-y argument.

[Purple Nurple]

i don't like larges. i don't consider them as competitive as minis and don't enjoy them really. ftr, i also don't really like micros, happened to be in some though. i think my last completed large was viewtopic.php?f=55&t=71353 and if you want theme viewtopic.php?f=56&t=70536 excluding a game i afkd the entire time cause hydra + i had quit mafia.

if you tell me your lynch preferences 3 days before eod that means we only have 3 days to discuss them and then hypothetically organize a lynch on them. ALSO, you never said you would give them 3 days before eod, so if thats the case i'll drop it because i don't really care.

what do you mean neither of us pushed the other to get wagoned? what exactly do you think we were trying to accomplish by walling at each other? i've done hardcore bussing, there was a micro where frogger and i were the scumteam and we were the two most widely townread players and hardcore pushed each other (it worked, I let him lynch me day 2 and we won cleanly) (viewtopic.php?f=84&t=70624).

good, so you can't discuss basics of large games, if you dislike them and don't play often

you never asked, so i just assumed it's common sense to give lynch preferences closer to EoD rather than keeping for themselves for all game

just what i said, you were beating each other for a week, but no big wagon on either of you, wasn't that strange?

it makes sense if everyone could see how much i was bleeding town and the same for their slot.

what basics can't i discuss? i've played enough to know why i don't like them, just like i know i don't like multiball nor consider it competitive at all.

[Purple Nurple]

Purple Nurple, do you want to wagon someone not vla?

I sorta want to try another wagon for a while.

like who?

[Purple Nurple]

i would rather my vote be on kise but i guess idrc

VOTE: maki

[Purple Nurple]

w hy maki

[Purple Nurple]

This is an alisae game. "Does this role belong to town or scum" along with things like "scum would never get this role" are not the way to solve it. #modmeta


i am more concerned with how being a lets call it executioner miller makes sense. but yume can be town for today.

[Purple Nurple]

it is 6 days to deadline. we don't need a singular wagon. .-.

[Purple Nurple]

We have 22 players.
In order to achieve a lynch, we literally need a single wagon with 12 on it.
You should have played enough large games to know that now is the time to start parsing down towards a majority wagon.

We have a role that can axe people at 6 votes too

as long as yume can promise to be online at least for a second to execute 6 hours before dl

i don't think 6 days means we need to create a single wagon, i think in an ideal world we'd have lynched by now but that isn't happening this game and i am not happy with the smocaine wagon being the only one.

[Purple Nurple]

kise / smocaine being the wagons is cool with me

oops


btw mastina should be back and caught up tomorrow or the day after.

[Purple Nurple]

math - i just looked up harry potter mafia because i was curios. mafia was just harry, hermione, and ron - aka, flavour actually was kinda alignmenty, in a weird way. i don't see how that makes ann any more likely to be scum in a game that we were informed flavour matters.

[Purple Nurple]

it doesn't make her more likely to be scum. it doesn't make her more likely to be town, either. that's the point. if ann is scum (this is a hypothetical, i don't think this) it's a fakeclaim and so is not alignment indicative. flavour being alignment indicative means if a flavour cop finds conspiracy flavour, that player is scum. it doesn't mean all phantom thief claims are town.

hey i don't actually care right now don't take this in a bad way because i think i am onto something

VOTE: yume

this is flipping red.

[Purple Nurple]

mod - humor me please
the role pm in the OP is confirmed to be in the game, correct?
is all flavour based on persona 5 or could there possibly be someone from a previous persona game?

[Purple Nurple]

thanks

drixx i really need you to come back and have me as town because /reasons/ so /me pray you have your reread done by tomorrow.

[Purple Nurple]

is akira aware of how their deathproof becomes disabled

?

this is @mod but dave can answer too.

[Purple Nurple]

can you blindly sheep me and vote yume?

[Purple Nurple]

yes

[Purple Nurple]

and ly <3

i am trying to decide how i can say yume is scum but i don't think i can.

[Purple Nurple]

Second things second, Purple you're going to be disappointed in one way at least.

I thought about it and a lot of it does just come from experience. It's going to take a lot of effort to explain something that's just intuitive to me to people that just don't have said intuition because I'll have to explain tons of shit from scratch and I frankly don't want to put in the effort and don't think it's worth the time.

That said I saw that some people are saying that the MD things I linked are irrelevant when that just isn't true.

1. He isn't just talking about his scum play there, he has discussed his play as both alignments. (There's also more stuff than the ones I linked earlier, just search his name).

2. It's not about direct relevance, it's about building a psychological profile of the subject. His MD posts are as revealing for building said profile as his town games since we can assume he's operating in an honest state.

Have you read/skimmed his town games? Especially the three completed where he gets lynched d1 as town? For the people who have and are reading him as town for nonflavor reasons I've given up on completely. If you have and are reading him as null it's going to be some work for me to explain but I'm particularily not motivated in this game because I can just show it through other means. We on the same page?

I guess I can describe the process a little since I have some time. First build a profile: take a look at places where you assume the subject is acting naturally/without intent to lie. This takes some time and effort. For Mulch an obvious start would be has a highish opinion of his own play and method to approaching things, thinks it's a lot of other people's fault for ragging on him for non alignment indicating stuff, aware of other people's mostly negative opinions on him, etc.

Next look at what happened this game. A key part was the timing of this particular blowup and the choice of how he went about it. Just think about if from the perspective of a player who's aware of the general feeling that his playstyle is suboptimal and probably pro-scum and who has reacted negatively to it before. Look at the timing of when he chose to blow up, the drama he chose to build with the coundown clock. Look at how little signs in his words there were that he actually just gave up. The guy was putting on a show. Look at the lack of really trying to have an influence on the rest of the game other than the 1v1 he engaged in with me. Look at the lack of putting out his reads. Saying not to lynch this person, to look at that person. There was no attitude at all of him thinking I'm dying partially for the sake of the town. It was just a giant show to get people to townread him for the raw emotion.

tldr ;I've mostly given up/am too lazy to convince you guys with words on Mulch, (I ended up writing something anyways I guess)... but as fate has it I have other ways of being convincing.

Here I'm super nice I'll append some links to game he got lynched D1 to compare with, Just a quick iso and a look at how he acted predeath in each should be sufficient to see the difference. I still stand by searching and reading his MD posts are also very revealing if you want to do that too. :

viewtopic.php?f=53&t=72397&user_select% ... &start=400

viewtopic.php?t=72998&f=53&st=0&sk=t&sd ... er_sort=Go

viewtopic.php?f=53&t=72708&user_select% ... &start=200

[Purple Nurple]

Smocaine ----------- 8 ( WhemeStar, Chesskid3, Brian Skies, Maki and Kaito, Ramicus, davesaz, Varsoon, xRECKONERx ) L- 4
Elibereth ---------- 3 ( Kise, Mulch, RationalNumbers ) L- 9
ChikoritasInAction - 2 ( Smocaine, Chara ) L- 11
Kise --------------- 2 ( Alchemist21, Elibereth ) L- 10
Maki and Kaito ----- 1 ( Creature ) L- 11
Purple Nurple ------ 1 ( Lil Uzi Vert ) L- 11
Ramicus ------------ 1 ( ChikoritasInAction ) L- 11
Brian Skies -------- 1 ( Leonshade ) L- 11
Yume --------------- 1 ( Purple Nurple ) L- 11
Not Voting --------- 2 ( PenguinPower, Yume )

Technically I should be saying all votes not on either Kise or Smocaine should be moved to either Kise or Smocaine for the sake of consolidating wagons. However, I'm an egomaniac so Yume is the third option and we are going to have 3 wagons for now . This means I'm telling penguin, yume, leon, cia, luv, creature, smocaine, chara, kise, and rn to move their votes.

it should be obvious why smocaine is one of the wagons (8 votes). i'm aware eli and cia both had a few votes, and eli more than kise rn, but at this point enough people have verbally fos'd kise that them only having two votes is criminal and their wagon would definitely grow. there's no real justification for yume being a wagon but i'm like almost certain they're flipping red and i'm not going to give an explanation at this time but my ego refuses me unvoting them until a day before dl if my vote is needed for a lynch.

[Purple Nurple]

nothing, as in, he did nothing, or something.

kise is not really townie though.

[Purple Nurple]

we aren't lynching eli or you today

[Purple Nurple]

we aren't lynching eli or you today

Are you reading this bullshit??? "It's not that Mulch is like a scum blow up, I am projecting that he would do this based on PERSONALITY ANALYSIS".

a personality analysis is how i knew that dude was town in boon's game

as someone who studies psychology and incorporates it into mafia i can understand the general premise eli is suggesting

but, when i do that i lie and find reasons from the thread as an explanation because nobody accepts "psychological analysis" as a reason for towning or scumming someone.

and i do agree eli is one of the better players here

you're both townreads, him on tone you on play, and i still think i'm wrong on one and its tvs. i'm not ready to resolve that though, and now isn't the time for you two to have an extravagant 1v1

[Purple Nurple]

i'm just meming now talking to scum is fun

purple how close to 100% is your thing on yume

not 100%

but it is the only very strong scumread i can say i have after 90 pages in this god-forsaken game

i guess if i had to assign a percentage i'd say 85% scum but considering their claimed role includes "miller" i feel completely safe lynching it

[Purple Nurple]

honestly, even luv is just a scum lean at this point. when i was reviewing games for ramcius i decided to skim through that large i played with luv, and it reminded me that this is kinda similar to the games he used to scumread me over and over for no good reason.

[Purple Nurple]

What did Somcaine do that made them get 8 votes

For me it's what Smocaine didn't do, like do anything useful that I noticed.

hi dave.

even if you don't join it, do you approve me denoting the wagons as kise/smocaine/yume for the day?

[Purple Nurple]

(Seriously this is going to probably be the worst towngame I've ever played. I'm basically psychic in one regard--when I sense I will have good playerlist synergy, I am almost always right and with that synergy I tend to perform well. When I sense poor synergy, I am almost always right in that I have abysmal games where I was incredibly detrimental. I signed up this game as a hydra because I needed a fucking hydra partner, but nancy had to drop out and the game started before I could find a replacement hydra partner so I'm stuck solo. And since role PMs have already been sent, I'm already in the game; my stubborn sense of pride means I can't replace out because I already acknowledged I was in the game as a player meaning I can't drop out so. Shit role. Shit synergy. I honestly would be surprised if I nailed so much as a single scum. And if I did, then it wouldn't be because of my efforts said scum died; it'd be a scum that everyone else already knows is scum, e.g. key. We all already know key is scum. So I can't claim any credit for nailing key because you'd have to be utterly incompetent to not do so.)

Question for mastina:

Drixx has me working trying to find some things in posts:

What was going on in your mind at this point Mastina? And if you have talked with Eddie about your key read since this post? If yes, describe your thoughts now towards the key slot.

Note: I very clearly DO NOT want Eddie or anyone else's response to this. If I have to wait I will.

--Math

I also understand that key is not the way the day is going today. I'm asking to establish the read on the hydra head.

jsyk if you haven't read to this point, mastina said she'll likely be caught up by tomorrow or the day after at latest. you'll get an answer soon enough.

[Purple Nurple]

i'm just meming now talking to scum is fun

purple how close to 100% is your thing on yume

not 100%

but it is the only very strong scumread i can say i have after 90 pages in this god-forsaken game

i guess if i had to assign a percentage i'd say 85% scum but considering their claimed role includes "miller" i feel completely safe lynching it

would you answer any further questions on this or should i drop it and just decide if i feel like sheeping

it is partly meta, partly things i have been waffling on about them all game, partly tone, partly flavour

i shouldn't really go into detail but i can if its absolutely necessary.

[Purple Nurple]

btw, the "partly tone" part is a bit misleading, because by that I mean partly tone based on meta which applies to the first point

[Purple Nurple]

http://megamitensei.wikia.com/wiki/The_Reaper
http://megamitensei.wikia.com/wiki/Masayoshi_Shido

after i had that meta discussion with brian and whoever i decided to dig further in because i have been in bed a lot and very bored. these are the only two characters besides joker that fit the claimed role yume gave (executioner part). both are very clearly conspiracy aligned. the former seems more likely to me, but doesn't really matter which. the miller part is even more problematic; claiming miller in pregame doesn't actually mean anything, because all scum roles would be the hypothetical equivalent millers except for a godfather. miller doesn't really fit flavour wise. now, pregame i gave yume a bit of towncred for the miller claim but i've been thinking about this a long time... a chronic lurker is a prime target for a cop - might as well claim miller and preplan, especially since yume as math put it is not likely to endgame as scum anyways. in my last game with yume, we HEAVY coached her and she did do well, almost winning late game, but we had a scum team who was very interactive. spring fever if you want to go find it in large theme archive, relatively recent. what i remember from that game (and i played very little of it) is yume being very snappy and particularly relating to the lines like "do so at your own risk" "its a bad idea" "be prepared for consequences". the tone/meta part of my read does not hold much weight, but as i've said yume typically lurks more as scum than town and gets replaced more as scum than town. another point in the favour of scum yume: the role. that is the PERFECT role to give to scum!yume. it is one that is strong early game and becomes useless as the game goes on (12 to lynch -> 11 to lynch -> etc, but 6 matters far less). this fits with her claiming miller, since she was never gonna be alive endgame anyways, AND means scum has an excuse to not use it when it would be pro town - after all, yume is a notoriously low-activity player usually, nothing would be awry if yume wasn't around to execute someone over a no lynch or the like. everything about yume being scum is just fitting into place for me, and let's not forget that meredith and "i am both town and mafia" are two things that don't exist.

everything about yume fits as scum for me, so call me confbiased if you want but risk vs reward wise we lynch my strongest scumread and at worst we mislynch a lurker miller. i reallllly want a yume lynch, would settle for kise if enough people aren't willing to play ball, and do not want smocaine but don't townread him enough to blow up and attack each individual voter.

[Purple Nurple]

i would also appreciate flavour people confirming yumeko's role doesn't really fit anything else in the slightest.

[Purple Nurple]

i'm already aware of how it could look: "scum gave him this case, that's how someone who was so clear they don't have flavour knowledge could know some flavour" because i can't prove i did hours of reading. that is why i didn't really want to give a case, but meh, fuck it. call this wifom

[Purple Nurple]

wanna humor me and vote yume now

[Purple Nurple]

would they possibly fit miller?

what do you think of the rest of my post?

[Purple Nurple]

Eeeeh, I could argue it
At this point, a Yume lynch doesn't really get us any related info based on engagement with other players, though.
A Yume townflip would really hurt town and lead to another huge, meandering D2.

i mean, to a degree. a yume lynch means 12 yume votes which means stuff to analyze though, as well as a night of actions (role madness) and probably a flip or two.
you also forget another dynamic: yume is likely able to redirect the lynch off themselves once (based on what she claimed, unlimited would be way too op and faking it completely would be pointless). we need to keep kise (or i guess smocaine) at 6 votes when we run yume up so we still get their lynch in the end.

[Purple Nurple]

basically, we can either keep both other wagons below 6 and lynch yume OR we can keep one at 6 and see if she can redirect it off herself. either is cool with me. i realllly don't believe she's town though.

[Purple Nurple]

reading up on flavour apparently twins used to not like akira but they grew on them... i guess a miller is theoretically possible? but meh,,,, stretching.

apparently igor and the twins were a neutral party in the game, so yume is either twins and has the same alignment as whatever igor is (to my understanding he can go either way?), or conspiracy and that is their fake claim.

does this make sense?

[Purple Nurple]

its 2 am and i'm pretty certain i just brought up a shit ton of stuff and am going to wake up to a shitstorm in the morning. or nothing will happen. gn

[Purple Nurple]

http://megamitensei.wikia.com/wiki/The_Reaper
http://megamitensei.wikia.com/wiki/Masayoshi_Shido

after i had that meta discussion with brian and whoever i decided to dig further in because i have been in bed a lot and very bored. these are the only two characters besides joker that fit the claimed role yume gave (executioner part). both are very clearly conspiracy aligned. the former seems more likely to me, but doesn't really matter which. the miller part is even more problematic; claiming miller in pregame doesn't actually mean anything, because all scum roles would be the hypothetical equivalent millers except for a godfather. miller doesn't really fit flavour wise. now, pregame i gave yume a bit of towncred for the miller claim but i've been thinking about this a long time... a chronic lurker is a prime target for a cop - might as well claim miller and preplan, especially since yume as math put it is not likely to endgame as scum anyways. in my last game with yume, we HEAVY coached her and she did do well, almost winning late game, but we had a scum team who was very interactive. spring fever if you want to go find it in large theme archive, relatively recent. what i remember from that game (and i played very little of it) is yume being very snappy and particularly relating to the lines like "do so at your own risk" "its a bad idea" "be prepared for consequences". the tone/meta part of my read does not hold much weight, but as i've said yume typically lurks more as scum than town and gets replaced more as scum than town. another point in the favour of scum yume: the role. that is the PERFECT role to give to scum!yume. it is one that is strong early game and becomes useless as the game goes on (12 to lynch -> 11 to lynch -> etc, but 6 matters far less). this fits with her claiming miller, since she was never gonna be alive endgame anyways, AND means scum has an excuse to not use it when it would be pro town - after all, yume is a notoriously low-activity player usually, nothing would be awry if yume wasn't around to execute someone over a no lynch or the like. everything about yume being scum is just fitting into place for me, and let's not forget that meredith and "i am both town and mafia" are two things that don't exist.

everything about yume fits as scum for me, so call me confbiased if you want but risk vs reward wise we lynch my strongest scumread and at worst we mislynch a lurker miller. i reallllly want a yume lynch, would settle for kise if enough people aren't willing to play ball, and do not want smocaine but don't townread him enough to blow up and attack each individual voter.

I don't really think Shido fits with an executioner ability (I can make a leap to justify it, but it would really be stretching it). I honestly don't know much about the reaper since I never ran into it in the game. I guess the reaper could make some sense, but mostly I'd just like to see more from Yume than just playing from her role (or potential fakeclaim).

As far as her play goes, would her townplay be as barren for content as she's been demonstrating thus far? That, along with the early confusion I had with her roleclaim, makes me lean scum on her.

Could her townplay be this barren? yes
is it normally? no

[Purple Nurple]

This is an alisae game. "Does this role belong to town or scum" along with things like "scum would never get this role" are not the way to solve it. #modmeta


i am more concerned with how being a lets call it executioner miller makes sense. but yume can be town for today.

What are you even on about

Here is my interpretation of events:

You say we should test yume's ability

I bring up that I believe yume's ability and we don't need to test it

You say the ability can belong to either faction

You say yume can be town for their role


Anyway, the role is easily provable later, it's a day action too

I'm sorry for changing my mind?

I believe the executioner is their role. doesn't fit with Miller and doesn't fit as town

[Purple Nurple]

You really should have said that during pre-game well before scum rolled roles

Actually think this could be town. I'll talk it out.

wow what is happening ok
VOTE: elli

(Still think this is scum, too.)

VOTE: key.
HURT: Maki and Kaito.
HURT: RationalNumbers.
HURT WITH A BLADE: xRECKONERx.
HURT WITH A BLADE: Ramicus.

I find it much more likely PN was trying to divert a Ramicus wagon onto Smocaine or Yume and is now trying to play savior again and direct the lynch onto a claimed PR.

Then again I am still doing the homework asked by Drixx but that is what I feel.

Despite the scumreads of Ramicus most of the game PN doesn't actually push there.

Ram is town tonally. Annoying town, but town. Everyone is a pr, it's role madness, and this is a weak pr if it's town so topbwoth that bullshit. And when the fuck did i try to divert ONTO smocaine? if anything I look really bad if smocain e flips scum here because of how much I'm defending them.

[Purple Nurple]

You really should have said that during pre-game well before scum rolled roles

Actually think this could be town. I'll talk it out.

wow what is happening ok
VOTE: elli

(Still think this is scum, too.)

VOTE: key.
HURT: Maki and Kaito.
HURT: RationalNumbers.
HURT WITH A BLADE: xRECKONERx.
HURT WITH A BLADE: Ramicus.

I find it much more likely PN was trying to divert a Ramicus wagon onto Smocaine or Yume and is now trying to play savior again and direct the lynch onto a claimed PR.

Then again I am still doing the homework asked by Drixx but that is what I feel.

Despite the scumreads of Ramicus most of the game PN doesn't actually push there.

would you share what you smoking? There never was my wagon, and PN trying divert Smocaine wagon second time, now he's victim is Yume, yet after all this "you should share reads" lecture to me he's just giving "Yume is scum, just trust me"

I gave an explanation and even just saying my scumreads would be more useful than what you're doing. good try tho

[Purple Nurple]

Take a look at this post here.

PN accuses Ramicus of not scumhunting and doesn't follow it up with a vote and doesn't follow it up with an explanation of why it met their criteria of not being vote worthy.

What is the Town motivation for that?

--Math

I can't policy lynch him so what's the point? he's town, I think, though I have great disdain for his play.

[Purple Nurple]

VOTE: ramcius

i want your wagon

There was an attempt to wagon Ramicus but it was pathetically weak despite PN agreeing with me that Ramicus isn't scumhunting.

Despite PN agrees with a lot of my reads at different points PN shades my ability and says to consider them Town when they aren't actively pushing where the people they townread agree on.

Instead they push Yume who again multiple townreads of theirs have no interest in. Smocaine who multiple townreads have hopped on because of the apathy.

My suggestion is we flashwagon E or Ramicus.

--Math

no, he asked for my vote. that annoyed me so I complied. i never touched smocaine and have defended him the entire time. yume is flipping scum so I have no interest in my townreads not caring, nobody can give me a town case because it doesn't exist. who's e?

[Purple Nurple]

VOTE: ramcius

i want your wagon

There was an attempt to wagon Ramicus but it was pathetically weak despite PN agreeing with me that Ramicus isn't scumhunting.

Despite PN agrees with a lot of my reads at different points PN shades my ability and says to consider them Town when they aren't actively pushing where the people they townread agree on.

Instead they push Yume who again multiple townreads of theirs have no interest in. Smocaine who multiple townreads have hopped on because of the apathy.

My suggestion is we flashwagon E or Ramicus.

--Math

"PN is shady scum, but let's wagon Ram or E" You da MVP, Math

because they were asked to back off me by Dave among other people for today? lolz

[Purple Nurple]

Shadowrun Yume was Town with less than 10 posts one of which crumbed a role.

Yes Yume as Town can be this barren.

And Alisae gives scum roles to town and vice versa and so does Mastina.

I have a hard time believing that you're genuine about this.

--Math

and I acknowledged that

Miller executioner doesn't make sense. this is the perfect role to give scum yume and scum got to pick roles. everything else I said. I really don't believe that slot can be town.

[Purple Nurple]

viewtopic.php?f=56&t=67961&user_select[]=27825

Actually it was less than 50.

And you're suggesting a policy lynch on Yume.

Explain why you can one player and not another?

Because I just don't see it. Gotta go to work.

--Math

I'm not suggesting a policy lynch, they're scum.........

[Purple Nurple]

math are you intentionally trying to annoy me because you thought up me trying to policy lynch yume 40 pages ago and it was bullshit there too and I showed as such

[Purple Nurple]

did you even read my post about her?

[Purple Nurple]

VOTE: PN

your reasoning so weak, how you can be sure Yume isn't lying about her role? All your case is that her role can't be town, you ignore promising wagons for wagon no one interested in and you dare criticize my plays and call me anti-town? I still have no clue why you townreading Smocaine and try indirectly dissolve his wagon by pushing random people. I could lynch you just for you hipocrisy - you attacked me for not defending CiA, when their wagon was really weak, but you don't try defend Smocaine, when he's big wagon, only divert attention elsewhere

excuse me? how can i be sure yume isn't lying about her role? "oh, this role fits scum but it might be fake so why would i lynch it"
what promising wagons? and how is noone interested when its at 3 votes and nobody townreads the slot aka there's potential?
i townread smocaine for tone and i don't like his wagon formation. its a lynchbait reada
i don't townread him enough to argue against it, i've given all i have for him being town and people choose not to follow it
and you sound like you're scumreading me for preflip with smocaine so you're trying to lynch me which is
you are just demonstrating you're as awful a player as i think you are though. so thanks. call me when you aren't being bad town.

[Purple Nurple]

i am legitimately in awe you misrepped my argument ("all your case is that her role can't be town")

and your reason for voting me is that yume could be lying about her role

. if you can't see why that is hilarious and horribly bad play at the same time... lol. go back to the newbie queue.

[Purple Nurple]

now i feel inclined to point out miller doesn't make sense when we have a confirmed PT cop (yume isn't a PT) and a claimed role cop (who you townread) - it is very unlikely town has a third non-pt alignment cop (very, very unlikey) so miller shouldn't exist. godfather probably does to fuck with dave, but miller? fuck no.

role cop gets miller right?
i would move my vote back to kise if mulch could check yume tonight.

[Purple Nurple]

"You realize that 3 votes in 22p game is nothing, right? it's 1/4 amount for lynch"
right, but you said noone was interested, and its at 3 pretty soon after with plenty of others who i'm sure considered/are considering it.

"No, i don't want PL Yume,"
same

""I townread useless slot for tone, but i'm not confident enough to defend", top notch play, 10/10"
i've given my reasons i think they're town and vocally shamed the wagon. if people ignore me that's not my problem. it's WAY more than you ever did or will do. and i still find it fucking hilariosu you're calling their slot useless.

[Purple Nurple]

yume claimed miller. if it was a role miller or something weird she'd be aware of that and could have claimed it, but she didn't.

[Purple Nurple]

"You realize that 3 votes in 22p game is nothing, right? it's 1/4 amount for lynch"
right, but you said noone was interested, and its at 3 pretty soon after with plenty of others who i'm sure considered/are considering it.

"No, i don't want PL Yume,"
same

""I townread useless slot for tone, but i'm not confident enough to defend", top notch play, 10/10"
i've given my reasons i think they're town and vocally shamed the wagon. if people ignore me that's not my problem. it's WAY more than you ever did or will do. and i still find it fucking hilariosu you're calling their slot useless.

"you sure", glad to know you can read minds too

"i said wagon is bad, people didn't listened, so it's not my problem"

You know, it's not only me, who think Smocaine did nothing in this game, but sure, you right, everyone else is wrong

Serious question - why you want test Yume's claim and sacrifice Smocaine in process, if she tells true? And why you want waste exec now so badly?

it is only you who said you're policy lynching him

i don't know what the rest of your post means

[Purple Nurple]

Calling PN's push on Yume a "policy lynch" is a complete misrep. It's not even based on one factor. I see points being made about meta, flavor, setup, and Yume's lack of meaningful town activity. The one thing that gives me pause is why Yume would bring up the role in the first place.

I never said he wanted PL Yume, i say i don't want PL Yume, which means i don't find his case strong enough (and from looks other people too)

this is a big leap

[Purple Nurple]

Calling PN's push on Yume a "policy lynch" is a complete misrep. It's not even based on one factor. I see points being made about meta, flavor, setup, and Yume's lack of meaningful town activity. The one thing that gives me pause is why Yume would bring up the role in the first place.

I'd like to see something about why Smocaine is town.

E is Ellibereth, right?

Millers by definition give false (guilty) results to alignment cops. I have seen various people use the term miller when it gives incorrect results to another kind of investigation.

So what do you think of my case as a whole?

I can town case Smocaine if you want, it isn't going to be a strong case because they aren't a strong townread.

Don't confirm if you're doing this (as an IC your actions obviously don't need to be directed lol) but if I was you I would be checking mulch tonight. Just fwiw. Ann wouldn't be conspiracy, it would be a fake claim, and it therefore wouldn't likely be a godfather. Plus, then we get to confirm role cop results, which is awesome because flavour is alignment indicative and mulch is hopefully checking yume if I can't get the lynch off (which is seemingly unlikely for reasons that are beyond me).

[Purple Nurple]

I'm against a lynch on Yume if only for the reasons that PurpleNurple stated: Yume would use the claimed 6-vote execution lynch, which is entirely what I want to avoid happening.

All this means is we need to keep others below 6 votes.

[Purple Nurple]

At work but in regards to Yume

Case as I see it is role doesn't fit >> this is policy and a horrible idea in Alisae games
Meta and Lurking >> Mutually exclusive. The meta case is shit and already countered it. Lurking is Yume always.

And that's it.
That is why I feel Yume with what is here is policy. Gtg.

E is Ellibeth (sp?)
--Math

I told you, ask your sister. Navy lurks MORE as scum, but yes, does lurk as both alignments. It isn't "countered" because you can cite one towngame she didn't post much in.

It isn't policy, flavour is AI and the role doesn't fit flavour. Role also doesn't fit what we empirically know about the setup, and this is with alisae mod meta. Role also does fit what a scum team with yume would give yume, and more. The only part that you can try and call "policy" is the fact that they're claiming to be a miller (which is ???), and they're a lurker, so the risk to mislynching her is very very low when we have no consensus scum and she needs to die anyways.

I told you. If mulch agrees to cop yume I will vote elsewhere. "Miller" wouldn't affect it, because it is a role cop. Yume is scum but I'm not gonna get through to ya'll today and I see that.

[Purple Nurple]

VOTE: kise

whatever. mastina's back in a day. i'm not posting again this day phase, possibly will tomorrow but unlikely. peace.

[Purple Nurple]

You know.

Games like this are one of the reasons it's so easy to lose faith in humanity.

I'm finally back, but obviously since there's over a fucking hundred pages and I'm pretty sure I'm barely in the double-digits page-wise that's a lot to do. Enough where I'll prolly lose coherency before finishing. Still, I'm here now, so I'll be catching up. I'll probably be keeping most of my stuff to our hydra PT as to not spam the game, but I'll still make a comment here or there about things I want to banter on and/or which are particularly egregious.

[Purple Nurple]

Ramcius: what about either Drixx or Mathblade makes you think that's a good place to go?

because i don't like their wish to PL mastina, what neg utility is worth ML? Especially when other head is against it and says she's overreacting due disliking playerlist. Also scumreading people who don't buy mastina's claim is lazy way to make reads

I actually want to do this:
HEAL: Ramicus.
Also,
HEAL: Smocaine.

I'll get some flak for this I'm sure but these two are reads we need to talk out.

[Purple Nurple]

Ellibereth bleeds town btw. So do ChikoritasInAction.

[Purple Nurple]

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[Purple Nurple]

Keyenpeydee gets a pass due to wagon composition
--Math

RationalNumbers gets a due to stance taken
--mastina

[Purple Nurple]

For what it's worth Not Chara is simply a person who I just

want

to townread because the idea of it being town is something which fills me with an immense sense of happiness. So a townread for me there, too, albeit one I can't significantly substantiate.

[Purple Nurple]

davesaz, what do you think about Ramcius?

Towny

why is this towny?

FOS: chesskid

VOTE: Mulch
pedit: i've been trying to come up with an opinion there. i need to see more, he's difficult. right now Ramcius is similar to tasteless white bread.

This feels weak.

This feels weak.

[Purple Nurple]

I am Ann Takamaki. Davezsaz is Akiru. I am one of the phantom thieves which means that I can travel from the metaverse to the real world back and forth, and I went into the metaverse pre game cause it seemed cool. I'm a role cop in the real world and a self watcher in the metaverse.

I do believe this claim btw for what it's worth and Mulch is town though that shoulda been obvious enough from the shit wagon on him anyway.

[Purple Nurple]

Mulch

----------- 6 ( Not Chara, Lil Uzi Vert, Elibereth, Maki and Kaito, Varsoon, RationalNumbers )

This is specifically what I'm referring to RE: shit wagon. Is it exactly driven hardcore by scum, no. Is it a wagon on scum, fuck no. Does it have scum on it, fuck yes it does.

[Purple Nurple]

I'm lynched day 1 in every single completed town game so far. Look at my history. It makes me angry

Just for the record Mulch.

After a certain point.

It might help to have some self-reflection and ask if maybe the problem isn't all of the towns you've been in and blaming them for lynching you.

[Purple Nurple]

Key is lynch bait.

key is not lynch bait. He's just scum.

[Purple Nurple]

I’m just going laugh about this post-game lol

I'm more fond of a mixture of crying and sighing. Maybe with some yawning and facepalming thrown in for good measure.

[Purple Nurple]

VOTE: Maki & Kaito

Why not elilizereth

Because Elli bleeds town whereas Maki bleeds scum.

[Purple Nurple]

Rhetorically speaking: You guys are really fucking pathetic if you let Mulch get away with what he did and live beyond this day.
~D

Drixx frankly you are pathetic if you think I'd let you lynch a slot who is outright clear as plain day town on what amounts to an attempted policy-lynch. Mulch is town. He doesn't get lynched. Period. End of story. I'd lynch you a thousand times before I'd lynch Mulch.

Do I

approve

of what Mulch did? Fuck no I don't, I know just as well as everyone else that what he did was anti-town. But the damage has already been done. Lynching him doesn't magically make the damage go away. Lynching him doesn't magically stop him from causing further harm. He's done all the damage he can. So lynching him only causes to hurt the town more because it is lynching town, rather than lynching scum. And you should fucking know better.

[Purple Nurple]

I just can't see a universe in which scum would get a fakeclaim that tells them the identity of Akira, who is a big important town role. And the fact nobody has counterclaimed Mulch yet to say "No, Akira is _______ instead" means he's right, he probably knows, he's probably town.

The only thing I have to say to this post is a gigantic

No.

[Purple Nurple]

Spoiler:

{Purple Nurple}
{Creature} - me and mastina both agree he's obv town
{wheme, chikoritas} - former's town as shit and i'm not letting this be a game where he's mislynched. i am solid on that. latter mastina obvtown
{leonshade} - mastina obvtown that i'm slightly less confident in than chikoritas, I think I townean them though
{yume} - a miller claim from a person I don't think would fake miller
{varsoon} - not even going to try and justify this
{luv} - of course he knows I am decent at metaing him, so he will play to his meta, but still town lean for now
{chess, elli} - but stop being annoying, because 274 but I'm still going to write this post anyways because I'm really really bored and I think a good amount of players know I'm a tone reader so my reads can flip anyways, sincere apologies
-- NULL LINE --
{mulch} - no read yet, I expect to see you play to your town meta because I believe I can read you so let's see
{ramcius} - mostly #126 for town, but creature stuff is eh
{dave, reck} - meh
{penguin, alchemist, actiondan, kise} - haven't posted and I don't know any of them to be players who would be likely to lurk out early game as scum
-- NULL LINE --
{smocaine} - 185 is reverse lamist
{maki} - bleh, 149 feels like setting up an easy mislynch on a mislynchable player (whemestar), but this could flip after reading page 12
{drixx} - 265 is gross.
{Key} - scummy scumbutt, mastina has them as lock scum and I scum leaned them from readthrough so no complaints atm

round two! this time it isn't in order in the ranks. wow, i went from having a ton of town reads to having... almost none i'm confident in.

Spoiler: Round two

Town

Penguin - flavour stuff. Regardless of if you agree with it, it feels very genuine. PLEASE READ FUCKING PREGAME THOUGH. SKIM IDC.
Creature - meta.
Wheme - let's just call it gut.
dave - Akira-sai, assuming he is in fact akira.
varsoon - I keep waffling on this, but I think its town
chikoritas - less confident than it was in pre game by a significant margin though.
leon - why are people fosing this slot again?
not chara - ^^^

Undecided

(or leans)
mulch - intentionally not taking a stance yet for ~reasons~. scum mulch self votes too, and i've seen ate temper tantrums from scum mulch iirc, so don't lock this off as vi. gonna go review those after i post this, curios how they match up. also keep in mind your "not signalling dave" shit is,,, well,,, shit, and mulch isn't a complete moron despite what you may believe.
yume - i doubt they'd claim miller as scum, but its possible considering they're a very strong inspect candidate as a known lurker. yume lurks as town, but lurks more as scum, and i'm starting to lean scum on this slot but not strong enough to move it to my scum pile. I do not appreciate math ignoring my question 3 times as to their experience with yume, because I know Titus can meta yume and I'm not sure if math's experience with her is comparable.
luv - if mulch is town, scumlean. if mulch is scum, lock town.
kise
chess
elli - still thinking
reck - ^
kise - who?

scum

Key - and the fact you're wagoning mulch over key in the first place is poopy even if mulch is scum.
smocaine
ramcius
rational numbers - need to talk to mastina about this too.
maki kaito
alchemist

For what it's worth my readslist at this same point:

Spoiler: This will inevitably change

davesaz
Leonshade
Creature
Ellibereth
Chikoritas
Mulch

Varsoon
Smocaine
Kise
chesskid
WhemeStar
Yume
PenguinPower
Not Chara
Ramicus

Alchemist21
Lil Uzi Vert

xRECKONERx
Maki & Kaito
Rational Numbers
keyenpeydee

Thereabouts, anyway. But this comes with the caveat that it's only me at page 40 in that I've still got 60 pages to go and I need to synch up with my hydra partner.

[Purple Nurple]

Purple ... look at the ISO for me (Drixx) ... if that's too much to ask, I'll do it all in a spoilered quote into the hydra (I asked if anyone wanted me to and nobody responded). I legitimately threw up a signal to Dave that I knew who he was that is undeniable now that he's been outed. Either you believe scum knew his identity from the start and that I have been putting on a show for the past hour or so ... or we should top your list.

Yeah the thing about that Drixx is.

You of all fucking people.

Know better than this.

Steven Universe is a game you rant endlessly on and on about. Because, yep. Scum had a strongman, and scum got to know the identity of the IC before the IC could become immune to said strongman.

Scum knowing the identity of our IC this game is something I outright expected from the get-go. And you if you were town would, too. Plus your push on Mulch is hypocritical if you DO honestly believe the phantom thieves who knew dave was Akira are town because in that case Mulch would be town because yes he DID indicate rather strongly so he knew and no your point saying he didn't know isn't fucking valid. Mulch was the one who outed the info. You have confirmed the info is correct yourself. That, in of itself. Tells you Mulch has the info.

Basically.
You as town know better than to say "scum wouldn't know the IC!".
Even if you genuinely believed this, that contradicts your Mulch push because Mulch clearly knew the IC. He hinted at it and he revealed davesaz before any other player did. If he were scum, how did he know that davesaz was Akira? The only option is that he knew from the get-go. In which case...either scum would know the IC, or by your belief Mulch would be town.

[Purple Nurple]

hmmm at least if youre wrong i never have to listen to you again
VOTE: Mulch

Jesus Christ I've kept most of my ranting to our PT but I just can't let go of how scum this vote is.

[Purple Nurple]

So why are we wagoning Key besides them being unproductive and lousy in pre-game?

That in of itself would be enough. It's basically shitty posting every step of the way. key was active--VERY active. In posting a lot. Yet in those posts, key said nothing. Literally nothing. Yet was trying to pass it off as something. It's like a gerryoat-lite.

A town-key isn't like that. Is more of a lurker, albeit not one who does nothing. When key does post rare as it may be as town, it's with some degree of analysis which was utterly absent this game.

[Purple Nurple]

PurpleNurple claimed to offer the Hanged Man arcana. In the game, that arcana belongs to a character who sells weapons to the party and has connections to the yakuza. This character, while a supporter of the Phantom Thieves, is not an actual member of their group.

Btw confirming that yeah we are in fact Munehisa Iwai, and our ability is named Illegal Firearm Upgrades. Since apparently that's no surprise to anyone who knows the flavor. (I had no clue saying the arcana would also give away my identity like that.)

[Purple Nurple]

I think RationalNumbers makes a good case for why they're Town.

No such thing exists.

[Purple Nurple]

reck why do u call me vs. varsoon masturbation on both sides and then post like this?

Honestly? My thought is scum theater RE: Reck-RationalNumbers.

[Purple Nurple]

shouldn't dave be copping more controversial slots than people who are like oooo I have arcana?

Scum have arcana and y'all are absolutely horrible at reading the mechanics if you didn't know this. Alisae literally tells us Akira gets scum's fakeclaim's arcana.

[Purple Nurple]

Nice I didn't see Drixx crumbling to be a PT

Why do people keep on seeing this.
And keep on going "Oh PT who knew dave was Akira must be town because of that and flavor".
When.
Alisae explicitly fucking tells us.
Scum have fucking fakeclaims. Which can and almost assuredly do in fact contain. Phantom Thieves. Including scum who would therefore also know the identity of Akira from the getgo?

Why? Because scum can't know that?

If you fucking believe that moronic idea.
You fucking deserve to eat the idiotic loss you're assured to have.

Because no shit it doesn't hold true.
Drixx knowing dave means fuckall of anything. Read him by his fucking play. Not by his fucking role. And RationalNumbers's play is sketchy-as-fuck.

[Purple Nurple]

I can not stress enough that if you think "oh (flavor person) fits this role so they're town!" No never do this no mod is that stupid that they can't make good roles. Will finish my re read now
~Maki

I mean.
I just said this in the PT but a helpful and nice Maki is a scum Maki (that's not the full case and not really even close to the full reasoning but I'm not explaining it right now), so this comes from a scum-Maki, however, while it might be a scuMaki, the point is still valid all the same. Flavor is explicitly not alignment indicative except in the case of the masons. Flavor IS relevant, in that the phantom thieves and allies are the town-flavor and the scum flavor is whatever too lazy to look it up as I'm typing this but you know what I mean.

But this game seems to be filled with people.
Who aren't fucking realizing.
That because scum have fakeclaims.
They can just.
You know.
Claim their fakeclaim. And their fakeclaim will be a phantom thief or an ally thereof.
Meaning flavor means fuckall.

Literally a basic principle and one which isn't hard to grasp.
I townread Varsoon and I townread Mulch. Both have Phantom Thief claims who knew Akira's identity was davesaz. I hold no doubt that RationalNumber's role PM contains a Phantom Thief, who would know Akira's identity was davesaz. But unlike Varsoon/Mulch, I believe their role PM contains said Phantom Thief as a safeclaim, laid out identical to all town Phantom Thief role PMs which're in the game. And that's because I scumread them.

And these reads? They are off of play. Not role. Not claim. Play. What PLAY-based reason is RationalNumbers town?
Explain it to me.
Because I don't see it.

[Purple Nurple]

I can not stress enough that if you think "oh (flavor person) fits this role so they're town!" No never do this no mod is that stupid that they can't make good roles. Will finish my re read now
~Maki

While Alisae has had eis hiccups. E's generally a pretty good mod. I absolutely agree with this
--Math

Then why the fuck.
Do you insist.
You are conftown.
When that own fucking logic.
Is the exact fucking reason you're not?

[Purple Nurple]

I think most of chesskid's last 6-8 posts are town motivated. Possible yellow flag if one of RN/PN turn up scum but very minor.

RationalNumbers is scum but chesskid is town anyway.

[Purple Nurple]

Their slot is scum. This isn't a TVT, mastina and myself are experienced enough to know that.

I'd pull the "Fountain of Tired Souls" card, but alas. The only players I'd be able to call that favor in on (LUV/Maki/Mathblade) are probably scum.

Butyeah. We both know exactly what we are talking about here. Our exact reasoning may differ. Our exact process, explanations, and suchforth may not be the same. But the basic read? Identical. RationalNumbers is scum this game, through and through. It wouldn't be the end of the world for us to be lynched to prove that especially given things, but since nobody follows the lynched (except possibly the aforementioned players that're likely scum and thus have incentive not to), it obviously isn't exactly my plan A.

[Purple Nurple]

mastina's readslist: how is this different from her readslist behavior in every one of her games? (if you only played with mastina in WWF, you can consider this me informing you of that)

I wasn't planning on responding to the bullshit but since you asked: It isn't. Math knows better than this and if they were town they would NEVER have posted that "case" because they'd have absolutely known better.

[Purple Nurple]

Oh, Not Chara only FOS'd me, not voted.

In hindsight, you being Akira with Not Chara FOSing you explains a fair share of the early scumreads on Not Chara.

[Purple Nurple]

though, whoever it was that said Mulch scum makes Uzi very likely town, i agree.

That would be us. Well, not me personally, but our slot, our hydra. And yes I am not exactly fond of LUV this game but that's nothing new. LUV is explicitly one of the slots I'm mostly going, "Okay, I'll develop and share my read on the slot with you, but I am explicitly going to sheep your stance over my own" with my partner.

In this case, it's a kinda-scum-but-not-strongly-so-and-I'll-sheep-your-stance. (Which is apparently close to my own? I'll have to synch up to confirm.)

[Purple Nurple]

@Ali

does scums had access to fakeclaims from start or when timer started?

As Alisae stole the mechanic from nancy I can tell you that it was from the get-go. The scum had access to each role and each fakeclaim from the start because each fakeclaim is directly attached to the role it is closest to. I'm too lazy to link to nancy's scum PT where this is shown, but basically the scum's roles were definitely-scum, and each fakeclaim was attached to the role which most closely suited flavor-wise, and scum got to choose what was distributed, essentially.

So explicitly so, yes.

[Purple Nurple]

there is almost no power on fucking earth that is worth skipping a BP copshot. especially because I think you're speculating as hell what tour arcana does since nobody else has claimed to know and I sure as hell don't know

(It's because they're scum.)

[Purple Nurple]

Does it seem far fetched that scum have a role that can deal with BP conftown cop if he targets them?

I have role information that says scum can gain access to a strongman through certain methods. It wouldn't surprise me to learn there would be similar things in existence, either.

[Purple Nurple]

It seems almost certain that there must be some mechanic that can turn his deathproof off, but that's not what you argued.

In all likelihood, more than one. I know for a fact scum can gain access to a strongman. I am speculating that is by far not the only method they have of killing the BP IC Mason Cop.

Btw.

Just also worth saying.

The very fact that Akira can't die initially by default.
Is all the proof in the world.
That scum can and likely did receive a Phantom Thief fakeclaim and thus no player knowing davesaz would actually be cleared.

[Purple Nurple]

so i really liked RN's case on mastina tho

You would given your alignment!

[Purple Nurple]

I am making sure after we are lynched you go down next, I'll happily take that 1 for 1 and I think there's enough competence in this game people will at least finish the 1v1 and not let you off like those dumbasses let gerry off.

Basically the one and only spot I disagree with my partner is here in that I DON'T trust the intelligence level of the town to be high enough to lynch RationalNumbers after we'd be mislynched. But I still wouldn't mind the mislynch anyway. Still though. If the trade were actually a 1v1 which would work I'd take it in a heartbeat. Even if it didn't, not the end of the world if we die, albeit not ideal since town ignoring us when we're right and having fucking mislynched the players who were right would be bad.

[Purple Nurple]

Right now, I am waiting on mastina to answer me in our private topic (can't say pt this game lmao).

He hit scum btw! I didn't get the chance to tell him that and I so wish I did because he told me privately he gave up on pushing RationalNumbers because of too much resistance which he wouldn't have done if I were there backing him at the time.

RationalNumbers remains scum. We both agree about it, even now. (I infer that he has stated otherwise at some point but I am explicitly telling you right here and now that if he stated a townread on RationalNumbers it's a lie because that's what he just told me in private and fuck the lie I'm not letting that stand.)

[Purple Nurple]

Not a miller.

Still a scum slot btw!

[Purple Nurple]

Furthermore you know how much I hate townblocks but in this game they are needed.
--Math

S C U M C L A I M

[Purple Nurple]

i know your case isn't done. unless you're telling me Reckoner already knows the parts of your Nurple case you haven't posted via telepathy, my point about him agreeing with a case that isn't much still stands.

Wouldn't it be something.
If the case.
Was worked on in the scum PT.
And Reck saw it there.

[Purple Nurple]

Anyone else have feeling like this RN vs PN fight is staged?

Fuck off Ramicus.

[Purple Nurple]

no. i'm done being nice to you. you don't get to command me if you refuse to engage with anything i'm saying.

I did engage and respond. I even quote the posts. Wtf?
--Math
@Ramicus -- You think so?
Then help us "bus" Purple and when Dave hopefully confirms us as Town then you'll hopefully repeat the same with E and then repeat the same with Not Chara then yourself.
--Math

i never buss, i have honor
on serious note, you fight quite a while already, but i see no real result, PN backing out of fight after some questionable gambits is weird, you holding on same people since day start (or even before day started, i'm not even sure anymore), do you guys so sure in your early reads?

also, i'm considering possibility you being gf or some other undetectable role, or you can shut off something in Dave, if he visits you. Telling your arcana is important purely on wiki is another questionable gamble, we have no clue how arcana's work or if they are like in game and not remade by Ali (and i expressed my opinion they are Dreaming God abilities, which as role PM indicates are different for real/Meta and Dave have no clue what they will do)

Oh honey. If you didn't think I didn't crumb the name of our arcana already to Dave, prepare to pray to the porcelain gods because that is where your crap will end up.
--Math

Is this your Ace argument? If so, i feel sorry for you - there is 21 arcana (yes, i did some research), that means everyone have one (except Dave ofc), and every arcana from what i noticed is attached to same flavor name as it is in game, so it's not a proof of being town, only proof of flavor, but we all know that scums have fakeclaims. Also, before you tell you from PT's - i believe at least one PT must be a fake claim, or what would stop PTs just claim and become ICs? And you have agree that if all PTs would be conf towns, it would straight up break game

I mean you're town and you're dead on the money half of the time with good shit like this. THIS is good. THIS is very good.
But then you ruin it with shit which when shown not to be the case (we'd flip town) would prevent you from pursuing what you fucking should have pursued. (I'm perfectly okay with you pursuing us as scum after a RationalNumbers scumflip. I am NOT okay with you declaring RationalNumbers town upon a Purple Nurple townflip.)

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They should, since the slot's scum!

[Purple Nurple]

Specifically, how mastina pulled reads out of her ass before people had even posted. That hadn't registered with me on an initial read.

This is also a scumclaim because Reck has played with me before and he fucking knows that readslists before people have even posted is my thing. Like. It dates back to 2011, thing. Reck's played with me before and seen it in action. He knows better than this.

The post is also pretty scummy for other reasons but this in of itself would be enough.

[Purple Nurple]

For everyone

What would be your 3 favorite wagons?

Brian Skies, RationalNumbers, and xRECKONERx.
Maki sits at fourth albeit an option I know is less likely to go through compared to these three.
LUV is an honorary mention.

[Purple Nurple]

viewtopic.php?f=50&t=71951

His posting there is nigh-identical to his posting this game.

[Purple Nurple]

Anyway, bottom of 62. It's 6:45 AM. I'm not losing coherency, but all the same...Calling it a night for now. I could go further but fuck this game. I don't want to deal with this shit anymore right now.

[Purple Nurple]

UNVOTE:

Right now, I am waiting on mastina to answer me in our private topic (can't say pt this game lmao).

He hit scum btw! I didn't get the chance to tell him that and I so wish I did because he told me privately he gave up on pushing RationalNumbers because of too much resistance which he wouldn't have done if I were there backing him at the time.

RationalNumbers remains scum. We both agree about it, even now. (I infer that he has stated otherwise at some point but I am explicitly telling you right here and now that if he stated a townread on RationalNumbers it's a lie because that's what he just told me in private and fuck the lie I'm not letting that stand.)

-_-

I don't even know how to reply to this without making it seem staged (it's not) but /sigh.

rn lynch isn't going to happen today. it doesn't matter if they're town or scum, too many people townread them (and considering they're two players who both pride themselves on their scum games this shocks me but alas). It is more productive to townread them, see if they come to good conclusions on our slot and the game for now, and go from there. we just don't have the support, we have the ic asking us to stop, and we have like half the game calling us tvt because that's the go to reaction when two (or 3 or 4 in this case) good players start going at it. We aren't going to end the day with a rn lynch and I really don't want us getting lynched so considering we aren't informed townie with a guilty on the slot it isn't worth risk vs reward of us pushing them today when they could still be town and you/I could still be tilted.


since I'm posting
- isn't sae a fucking boss in the metaverse? huh?
- mastina thinks kise is town so unvoting because I don't want elli or smocaine (they'll still be voted over a nl obv)
- I am okay with voting maki or reck if those wagons start.

[Purple Nurple]

scum don't usually construct cases in the literal sense but good scum teams decide who to focus on for the lynch, how who defends it or if they are all gonna jump on or w.e, if they believe they can reasonably case someone, etc.

but no, I don't really care about that point from mastina. doesn't affect my read which is "scum lean and slot that's done almost nothing all game" or my stance on your lynch (accepting, not what id push but definitely prefer over the 3 wagons I or mastina tr we have now).

Mulch, I already responded to the personality analysis part.

[Purple Nurple]

QUOTE THIS POST IF YOU WOULD PUT YOUR VOTE DOWN ON BRIAN

[Purple Nurple]

QUOTE THISSS POST IF YOU WOULD PUT YOUR VOTE DOWN ON RECK

[Purple Nurple]

QUOTE THIS POST IF YOU THINK THIS IS AN AWFUL GAME WITH AWFUL PLAYERS BUT A GREAT MOD

[Purple Nurple]

I mean, why even test the waters like that? Just ask people to vote one place or another. Have some direction.

I think that the game is fine and the players are fine and your exasperation doesn't really read to me.

because I want to see if either wagon would traction or if it's a waste of time with the lynch in a few days

I also think this post is schummy

[Purple Nurple]

mastina dear

your reads kinda suck and you should sheep my list.

go talk to eddie about it plz ty.

I'm Eddie

well the posts aut reck and Brian recently

basically the last hour cause I'm at work and its so mind numbingly boring id rather post here

[Purple Nurple]

I kind of like the player list. Different than what I’m used to in the normal queues

cause normal players rn make this look like the mafia olympics