The Fourth Fortnight (Winner Announced!)

[Alisae]

OMG IS THAT THE REAL FAKE DAYVIG NUMBER: 346 IN ACTION????

[Alisae]

Nobody has ever done that before in the history of dota

[Alisae]

Ok we're doing rqs because wynaut

1. What is your favorite color?
2. Which body part are you the most ashamed of?
3. What would the name of your childhood's pet pet be?

[Alisae]

Oh ok
Pedit: VOTE: Cheetory6

[Alisae]

Ok we're doing rqs because wynaut

1. What is your favorite color?
2. Which body part are you the most ashamed of?
3. What would the name of your childhood's pet pet be?

I did this back in the first Fortnight and everyone was mean to me just warning u but my answers are green, forehead and idk (-:

pedit: omg peely

Yeah man
just look at how mean this one guy is

VOTE: Alisae

extremely mean D:

[Alisae]

VOTE: Spiffeh

[Alisae]

man I thought Keely was Spiffeh the whole time

what a scam

[Alisae]

I thought the new hip term was wolf because suddenly we started liking...
well...
ya know

[Alisae]

OR
we could just lynch scum day 1

[Alisae]

And usually the person to suggest that goes "Hey I'm town vote me" and selfvotes so...

But honestly it just looks like you're memeing

[Alisae]

VOTE: Implosion

[Alisae]

sheep alisae onto implosion and u will win

hahahahaha

[Alisae]

Do you have any better ones?

Nope and its kinda hard to have better ones at this stage at the game, you do realize this right?

[Alisae]

ok then don't rush it
the game will get moving
when it gets moving

[Alisae]

time to put bins in the scumbin

[Alisae]

dude worst case sinareo Spiff can just flee that seems to be a thing you're forgetting about here

pedit: understandable
have a nice day

[Alisae]

alright time to move bins into the great avi bin

[Alisae]

VOTE: tsq

[Alisae]

Shea I thought we were going to be friends :'(

[Alisae]

I

am

playing the game and my votes have thought processes behind them silly~

[Alisae]

Perhaps strongly is the wrong word, but to say "x player is probably town" which is a comment that can have the possibly effect of diffusing an early wagon which is what was happening, I would expect a lot better reasoning than the nonsense that implosion just posted.

I guess this kind of depends on spiffeh also being scum, though.

Your transition from "Implosion's reasoning to bad" to this uncertainty worries me

[Alisae]

Like are you sure you know what you're talking about here?

[Alisae]

Perhaps strongly is the wrong word, but to say "x player is probably town" which is a comment that can have the possibly effect of diffusing an early wagon which is what was happening, I would expect a lot better reasoning than the nonsense that implosion just posted.

I guess this kind of depends on spiffeh also being scum, though.

The red

[Alisae]

ok tsq I think I found the words I needed to describe what I'm seeing better

First you start out with a somewhat confident push
Then you get pinged about it from gorkington9
Your response to gork here makes me think you self-consciously thought you were doing something wrong and thats what 70 came off as to me.

[Alisae]

Also, do you think the second thing you made red is untrue?

I don't think I said it was unture I just hate the phrasing

[Alisae]

I like Alisae.

why

[Alisae]

UNVOTE:

[Alisae]

uhhhhhhhhhh
dunno how you can be so certain right now but alright

[Alisae]

Keely me no understand Quil reads

[Alisae]

ep i tr u friendo

[Alisae]

VOTE: ut
Pedit: Hi Kidamn its been awhile

[Alisae]

Keely me no understand Quil reads

[Alisae]

EP YOU DIDN'T D:

[Alisae]

I FoS Eli

[Alisae]

1) "scumUT usually makes a certain type of brash earlygame entrance"

Yeah see
this is why I unvoted after UT's first post

THIS is something I was looking for and the lack of this bothered me.

[Alisae]

I understand I should probably put a "Proceed with caution" sign ontop of Quilford's head but tbh I'm just lovin everything this guy is saying my god

pedit: owo

[Alisae]

ya shud um replace that hat on your skull with a magician's hat

[Alisae]

no you're just a liar~
Vote UT to tell the truth!

[Alisae]

Your nose just grew bigger~

[Alisae]

Quil I think you're misunderstanding the chain of events but this doesn't matter that much
>I was voting shea
>ut makes a post
>I unvote shea realizing my vote was dumb and ut pinged me
>you made a push
>this happened

so do you have a reason for your vote to go along with all that delicious meta, or are you hoping that can substitute?

This post prompted the vote and it came off as very gaslighty.

From what I understand from UT I kinda expect him to be a bit more aggressive/abrasive

[Alisae]

Oh i guess that means i unvote now ok I understand
UNVOTE:

[Alisae]

I don't like Uts response to quil at all. Initially. Even if you think meta is trash you knew he was making an argument and you knew what that argument was. Your response was, then, not in good faith and was basically an attempt at well poisoning. If meta is trash as you claim, and this thing he's bringing up is not indicative of alignment, that should be pretty trivial to show. Instead you went for the glib one line discredit without evidence thing.

I don't like gorks reactions to the interaction at all either.

Shea I thought town doesn't act rationally.

[Alisae]

I think the point I'm trying to get across is that I've seen that more likely come from town then from scum.
Like
I do not know why I see it more from town
I do not know why town thinks that's a good approach
But apparently they do it.

Though there's something about UT's latest posts I like, I wanna see if I remember it by the time I wake up
nini

[Alisae]

um I think the way Quil expressed it was completely succinct.

[Alisae]

Also UT, aren't you taking what Quil said about not liking meta out of context?
Like one of the things they're emphasizing on is that it's a starting point and it just seems like you're ignoring that completely

[Alisae]

it's okay shea, we all make dumb choices sometimes

What gives you the impression that Shea is town voting you?

[Alisae]

It's not that I'm scumreading him its moreso the way he built up to the vote makes me think it could come from either alignment.

[Alisae]

Ep it was mostly I didn't feel like I agreed with it later like it felt good at that moment but I didn't believe in it.

Also I like this for a vote
VOTE: kid

[Alisae]

Just thought it was weird that you didn't touch on it at all!
It just looked like an easy pressure wagon that could've gotten up there in the right conditions, and then when people were questioned about it they could be all like "lol pressure!" So I was wary of all the completely reasonless votes that were being tacked on.

Chevre I'm kinda lost in what Eli was supposed to touch in considering it was a page 1 rvs wagon. :/

--

Yeah, man, I mean, Chevre seems pretty heckin town right now.
rm's post is baaaad bad bad
scream

my vague town pile is about 6ish strong right now
i know i'm really jumping around here but does anyone with Alisae experience who is townreading Alisae want to share why right now

Why does chevre scream town to you?
And dude
You have some Alisae experience

[Alisae]

Yeah I think Implsion addressed a lot of Kidamn's stuff for me and I felt like a lot of Kidamn's reasoning behind the implosion jump was rather justifying the vote over scumhunting

Pedit: Yeah let me look back and see if I remember considering I'm awake now and that jump off was like "UT called me dumb, therefore he must be right and he must be town" kind of thing let me see if I can expand on why I liked those two UT posts specifically, because right now he's null of me.
Why is the jump off making you wary?

[Alisae]

Okay I looked back at them and remembered
I like that UT sounded atleast somewhat reasonable and I don't really think he would give that kind of reasonable response towards you if he was scum?

[Alisae]

EP I feel like Chèvre asking about that wagon could come from scum trying to scumhunt and you could always talk about why you're not TRing me

Pedit: 1) Hard to do so on mobile but I think it's the tone in those two posts in the moment you were referring to. Don't remember the post numbers otherwise I would put them here, but there's something about the tone I liked that I imagine would come from town!UT.
2) I mean KidAmn is a scumread UT is a nullread because there are things I like things I don't like so yeah, My Kid scumread is stronger then my UT scumread. Town doesn't need to justify their vote.

[Alisae]

Also Quil I don't think Kidamn suddenly just decided to have the same SRs as UT

[Alisae]

Really, really skeptical of Ellibereth's take on this game so far. He's focusing so, so hard on "gotchas" or attempts to find scum doing something objectively scummy. Talking about UT's playing PUBG, the post timing for Ramcius, and now this. That just isn't an effective tactic and I can't believe that Ellibereth would think that it is.

Beyond it being lame (which I agree with Keely on) I don't understand what Elli's motivation here is apart from looking like he's doing things.

Okay while I do FoS Eli I don't think he's using that stuff for this purpose. Like I'm not seeing him use that to push scumreads

[Alisae]

Well Chèvre what do you think about the Eli wagon?

[Alisae]

Yeah was kinda concerned why ram of all people too.

Ehhhhhhh yeah i guess you can be town

[Alisae]

Yeah was kinda concerned why ram of all people too.

Ehhhhhhh yeah i guess you can be town

hrm.

I'm not sure if I like you being so quick to call Elli town for this.

wasn't calling Eli town.

[Alisae]

Nah man I can lock implosion as town from his play here
It's litterally light and day compared to the times I've seen him as scum

[Alisae]

Hi bins

[Alisae]

Any reads?

[Alisae]

I care about implosion here in EPs game I didn't

[Alisae]

I also feel like maybe Alisae's parroting a lot here which skeeves me

ep
what are you saying?
It's not that I think you're saying nonsense I just don't think I understand what you're saying.

[Alisae]

hmm i thought i had more than four reads but upon rereading, apparently not

what reads DO you have and where are you struggling?

[Alisae]

Hi bins

[Alisae]

The reasons why I TR chevre is because of how they were chasing Eli around about a pg 1 rvs wagon and the fact chevre was so interested in that kinda makes me think as scum he would have better things to pretend to be looking into?

[Alisae]

I think Kidamn is scummier then most of the people ywall are even talking about and the conversation keeps on getting shifted away from him

[Alisae]

i hope i get some good reactions with this reaction test.

Hi Gorkington I am finally Town in a game with you I hope you return the favor!

Tryharding.

alisae alisae alisae always making everything so complicated.

spiffeh is probably town though.

I
why?

the strict technical answer is that almost everyone in this game is town.

The real answer is I think scum is moderately unlikely to go for the opening that he did of basically all of his first 4 posts. No strong reasons but I think first instinct as scum here would be "blend in" and I don't think he looks like he's trying to.

Not trying hard enough. WIFOM.

Do you have any better ones?

Nope and its kinda hard to have better ones at this stage at the game, you do realize this right?

Yes. It was an ironic question.

I'm eager to get going since we have such a specific deadline, and I have historically had success giving early townreads for mediocre reasons and nurturing them into better townreads based on reactions/further play.

Poor reasoning. No examples given. "it was ironic" feels weak.

VOTE: tsq

Shea I thought we were going to be friends :'(

I

am

playing the game and my votes have thought processes behind them silly~

Bad vote. Bad alisae. Not being certain of anything when half the players hadn't posted yet is not a scumtell.

Perhaps strongly is the wrong word, but to say "x player is probably town" which is a comment that can have the possibly effect of diffusing an early wagon which is what was happening, I would expect a lot better reasoning than the nonsense that implosion just posted.

I guess this kind of depends on spiffeh also being scum, though.

Your transition from "Implosion's reasoning to bad" to this uncertainty worries me

Also, do you think the second thing you made red is untrue?

I don't think I said it was unture I just hate the phrasing

First the uncertainty worried you, then you changed your mind and just didn't like the phrasing after TSQ pushed back. Disagreeable.

*Skims*

I like Alisae. Not sure if votes on implo are rvs but if no then not sure what are the vote for.

Skims is correct. If you've not gathered what the votes on Implosion are for have you really read, or do you just want to try and laugh them off?

Alisae's a decent townread.

There's a kind of shitty feeling in this setup right now that there's like, a not insignificant (actually extremely significant) chance that all (both) scum are in the half of the game that has posted 0-1 times so far. So scumhunting right now feels kind of like playing conspiracy where there's a solid chance that you're hunting for nothing. Obviously it's like 4 hours in so this isn't a complaint per se, just thinking out loud.

That said,

Unvote

VOTE: Quilford

And to clarify because that is probably somewhat ambiguous

I don't have a scumread on quilford but I think he's a pretty reasonable wagon right now.

Alarm bells ringing for anyone else?

please stop hyperposting

implosion why did you vote quilford
ok I'm done posting now I promise

Wagon for the sake of wagoning, wasn't a fan of the wagon on spiff (which apparently doesn't exist anymore at all), and like I mentioned earlier 38 felt a bit off.

I like UT for town and this is a really strong read because it's 100% based on meta from a game like two years ago where i read him right and so clearly i'm very knowledgeable about his meta!!

But really no. I like the calling out quilford timing and I like the calling a complete scumteam with me in it early after I was talking about not liking how so many people hadn't said much; I think UT scum probably doesn't do that with that timing for fear of drawing my ire.

Buddying attempt based on a meta read from years ago in response to being called out. Feels wrong, feels like nobody should be trying to get this cozy this early in a game where we have almost no information and will continue to until one lover runs.

Now the Quilford/UT meta spat begins. Not going to quote, this post is long enough already. Quilford describing UTs response to his first post as disingenuous is questionable. When all you serve up in your first post is meta, and inconclusive meta at that, you don't get to complain about being called on it. Quilford even says UT has pushed him early in their townscape bit eventually moved on.

quote="In post 129, Gorkington"]i wonder what part of this took five hours.
o:

The shit

I tend to agree meta is shit because I sure as hell know I can play almost identically as any alignment

The last time I used meta to look at your alignment, it would have given me the correct result had I trusted my findings.

Prior results do not guarantee a similar outcome

quote="In post 159, Quilford"]Fun fact: I don't actually like meta that much either. It's fine as a starting point, as I said, but if my entire read is based on meta that makes me feel uneasy. What I want to base my reads on is the strength of my targets' scumhunting. Please start doing that instead of continuing with this obfuscation.[/quote]
This feels like a very rushed backing down from the biteback. Oh, just go scumhunting and forget I did this!

I don't really think this makes UT particularly scummy. I can see where he's coming from and the way he's interpreting what Quilford is missing details in translation, but not in a way that I wouldn't expect from town-under-attack.

Basically if what quil and UT are both saying about UT's meta are true from their perspectives (both of which seem pretty reasonable) then I don't personally think either of them gets scum points for this. Although if they keep fighting for a while then potentially it could mean something but eh.

I do have some more drops in the town bucket, namely EP and keely. I'm going to try to keep up with the game during the day but will probably do most of my impactful posting during the evening.

When are you and that fence having your child

Vote: Implosion

[/quote]Actually read this post
This isn't what scumhunting looks like
It's what attempting to build up and justify a vote looks like

[Alisae]

How did that quote even fuck up jeeeeesus

[Alisae]

i hope i get some good reactions with this reaction test.

Hi Gorkington I am finally Town in a game with you I hope you return the favor!

Tryharding.

alisae alisae alisae always making everything so complicated.

spiffeh is probably town though.

I
why?

the strict technical answer is that almost everyone in this game is town.

The real answer is I think scum is moderately unlikely to go for the opening that he did of basically all of his first 4 posts. No strong reasons but I think first instinct as scum here would be "blend in" and I don't think he looks like he's trying to.

Not trying hard enough. WIFOM.

Do you have any better ones?

Nope and its kinda hard to have better ones at this stage at the game, you do realize this right?

Yes. It was an ironic question.

I'm eager to get going since we have such a specific deadline, and I have historically had success giving early townreads for mediocre reasons and nurturing them into better townreads based on reactions/further play.

Poor reasoning. No examples given. "it was ironic" feels weak.

VOTE: tsq

Shea I thought we were going to be friends :'(

I

am

playing the game and my votes have thought processes behind them silly~

Bad vote. Bad alisae. Not being certain of anything when half the players hadn't posted yet is not a scumtell.

Perhaps strongly is the wrong word, but to say "x player is probably town" which is a comment that can have the possibly effect of diffusing an early wagon which is what was happening, I would expect a lot better reasoning than the nonsense that implosion just posted.

I guess this kind of depends on spiffeh also being scum, though.

Your transition from "Implosion's reasoning to bad" to this uncertainty worries me

Also, do you think the second thing you made red is untrue?

I don't think I said it was unture I just hate the phrasing

First the uncertainty worried you, then you changed your mind and just didn't like the phrasing after TSQ pushed back. Disagreeable.

*Skims*

I like Alisae. Not sure if votes on implo are rvs but if no then not sure what are the vote for.

Skims is correct. If you've not gathered what the votes on Implosion are for have you really read, or do you just want to try and laugh them off?

Alisae's a decent townread.

There's a kind of shitty feeling in this setup right now that there's like, a not insignificant (actually extremely significant) chance that all (both) scum are in the half of the game that has posted 0-1 times so far. So scumhunting right now feels kind of like playing conspiracy where there's a solid chance that you're hunting for nothing. Obviously it's like 4 hours in so this isn't a complaint per se, just thinking out loud.

That said,

Unvote

VOTE: Quilford

And to clarify because that is probably somewhat ambiguous

I don't have a scumread on quilford but I think he's a pretty reasonable wagon right now.

Alarm bells ringing for anyone else?

please stop hyperposting

implosion why did you vote quilford
ok I'm done posting now I promise

Wagon for the sake of wagoning, wasn't a fan of the wagon on spiff (which apparently doesn't exist anymore at all), and like I mentioned earlier 38 felt a bit off.

I like UT for town and this is a really strong read because it's 100% based on meta from a game like two years ago where i read him right and so clearly i'm very knowledgeable about his meta!!

But really no. I like the calling out quilford timing and I like the calling a complete scumteam with me in it early after I was talking about not liking how so many people hadn't said much; I think UT scum probably doesn't do that with that timing for fear of drawing my ire.

Buddying attempt based on a meta read from years ago in response to being called out. Feels wrong, feels like nobody should be trying to get this cozy this early in a game where we have almost no information and will continue to until one lover runs.

Now the Quilford/UT meta spat begins. Not going to quote, this post is long enough already. Quilford describing UTs response to his first post as disingenuous is questionable. When all you serve up in your first post is meta, and inconclusive meta at that, you don't get to complain about being called on it. Quilford even says UT has pushed him early in their townscape bit eventually moved on.

i wonder what part of this took five hours.
o:

The shit

I tend to agree meta is shit because I sure as hell know I can play almost identically as any alignment

The last time I used meta to look at your alignment, it would have given me the correct result had I trusted my findings.

Prior results do not guarantee a similar outcome

Fun fact: I don't actually like meta that much either. It's fine as a starting point, as I said, but if my entire read is based on meta that makes me feel uneasy. What I want to base my reads on is the strength of my targets' scumhunting. Please start doing that instead of continuing with this obfuscation.

This feels like a very rushed backing down from the biteback. Oh, just go scumhunting and forget I did this!

I don't really think this makes UT particularly scummy. I can see where he's coming from and the way he's interpreting what Quilford is missing details in translation, but not in a way that I wouldn't expect from town-under-attack.

Basically if what quil and UT are both saying about UT's meta are true from their perspectives (both of which seem pretty reasonable) then I don't personally think either of them gets scum points for this. Although if they keep fighting for a while then potentially it could mean something but eh.

I do have some more drops in the town bucket, namely EP and keely. I'm going to try to keep up with the game during the day but will probably do most of my impactful posting during the evening.

When are you and that fence having your child

Vote: Implosion

Actually read this post
This isn't what scumhunting looks like
It's what attempting to build up and justify a vote looks like

I fixed it keely now stawp bullying me D:

[Alisae]

If you want a case on why 181 is extreme cases of scumposting here you go
1. In regards to Implosion what a lot he has to say about him doesn't feel like scumhunting, but rather feels like they're just building up to a vote and attempting to justify it. The analysis does not come off as natural to me. Like for example "Not trying hard enough. WIFOM." And "Poor Reasoning. No examples given. "It feels ironic" feels week". Like these responses don't feel like analysis to me. THey feel like just justification. It's IIoA if you want too call it that.
2. His response towards Quilford's 156 doesn't feel like natural analysis to me. Hell that's not even what Quil is trying to get across, that whole paragraph Quil is saying screams "Yo, I am just using meta as a tool to help me attempt to sort you."

[Alisae]

Keely I'm sry you don't like my avi

[Alisae]

I don't really have the memory of KidAmn's play to really answer that question Keely.

[Alisae]

Realeo I hardly remember you or your play

[Alisae]

Sleepy what are your reads?

[Alisae]

because

[Alisae]

understandable
have a nice day

[Alisae]

I feel like the best way engagement is going to happen is if you pick someone to attempt to sort and then sort them that way we can talk about them.
I'm trying to push KidAmn atm if you want to look at him then you are welcome to do that

[Alisae]

I have been intentionally vague with my read--hoping someone would notice that I am Out Of Character (Alisae, Bins, Quilford, Gorkington, EP, randomidget have meta @ me)--so I was hoping that when a question comes for me, the question would be to clarify my vagueness, instead of boilerplate "Are you voting anyone?"

Sleepy what do you think of this?

And hi bins

[Alisae]

the realeo stuff seems dumb but not alignment indicative

ok I asked you because you are doing the same thing that he basicly said he was doing so I wanted to see how you read that :3

[Alisae]

VOTE: quilford

made my choice easier

is there more to this vote or...

[Alisae]

Also has anyone explained their read on quil or?
...

[Alisae]

What do you get out of his exchange with UT because I'd argue that the way he started his UT push wasn't really "safe"

[Alisae]

Also why is voting you "easy" atm?

[Alisae]

Ok my scumhunting sucks right now I should sleep

[Alisae]

I dunno if UT being super tunnelling is townhall or scumtell for them but it rubs my furry wall the wrong way

what about the tunneling runs you that way

[Alisae]

Who the fuck is keely?

Keely = Cheetory6 = Gorkington

[Alisae]

ok ActionDan kinda deserves a vote tbh

[Alisae]

VOTE: ActionDan

[Alisae]

I expect way more depth and anlysis then what you are currently presenting
You and I both know you're capable of more then this

[Alisae]

Thought 2: implosion seems pretty scummy anyway, at least early-game? Like I just get a gut feel that a lot of his posts are very scummy. They feel like scum trying to say town things, and his "quote stripe" response to KidAmn is kind of like the cherry on top of it all -- looks like a lot of content, but is focused pretty much to KidAmn's interests.

And why can't Implosion just be town?

[Alisae]

im not entirely sure i understand what youre hoping to get out of this question.

I think the phrasing is wierd but a lot of Chev's read is "He's scum trying to be towny" so I'm just asking why can't Implosion just be town.
Like what makes it scummy

this comes across as super unfair?
do you have experience with actiondan dropping hardcore analysis in his first posts in a game?

Yes

[Alisae]

3) (and this is to Alisae as well) I feel like your response to KidAmn and your response just now are similar. I worry that you're really good at spotting insurrections that could nail you as scum, and putting them out before they can gain traction. From how we know each other I feel like that post is custom-built for me to play off everything I am and make me back off. With Kid's catch-up post, it makes sense to rebut each point individually, etc. So there's these things and then you say stuff like, "If KidAmn is town I want him to townread me" which is so fishy! Regardless of what role you are or what role anyone else is, you want people to townread you? It doesn't say anything. Sure Alisae, he could be town and I'm wrong, but anyone could be town and I'm wrong. Mafia is not a game of deductive logic. Mafia is barely anything more than a game of random chance. I guess I'm realizing I'm one of those people who wants to go on little more than gut reads and it's ugly that they're hard to explain, but that's how I feel, and I'll do my best.

This is not how scum!Implosion works.

There are a few things about scum!Implosion
A. He doesn't really stand out and is just kinda there.
B. I've nailed him in EP most recent game as scum. I was nailing for him and screaming for his head. He couldn't put them out, what ended up happening was people were louder then I was and I was nk'd.

[Alisae]

Also linking this in regards to Bins
viewtopic.php?f=23&t=72704

[Alisae]

KidAmn and Dan for scum
Implosion for Town
Could not really give a fuck about quil v UT
Anyone else you care about in particular?

I remember in Midsummer's he was putting out some posts which had a lot of meat in them and I was like "Dan is really lackluster" so I wanted to look at boardgame (his most recent completed scumgame) to see how that turned out and there was a huge difference in the dan I saw and the Dan there.

Like maybe I should look into it more, however the bit that Dan provided on his vote on Quil seems flawed on that the way Quil started that push came off to me as he was sorting UT

[Alisae]

Also Boardgame may have not been the best game to look at tbh

[Alisae]

My only super strong lockdown TR

[Alisae]

Like
I like EP
I guess he could be town sure but not as much as implosion

I think UT and Quil is a TvT
Chevre fell back to null
Realeo is probably town

But I'm just keeping myself super open minded on all of those

[Alisae]

Don't care

[Alisae]

Like he bores me
Nothing really stood out about his posts

[Alisae]

I'm kinda seeing a lot of IIoA from Dan in Kilos tbh.

And I think you're mixing up how YOU would approach the scum wincon here with what they actually need to do to win

[Alisae]

Ram I don't care about your meta

[Alisae]

nope and I don't think an ISO dive is going to help put light on that so its a waste of time.

[Alisae]

3) (and this is to Alisae as well) I feel like your response to KidAmn and your response just now are similar. I worry that you're really good at spotting insurrections that could nail you as scum, and putting them out before they can gain traction. From how we know each other I feel like that post is custom-built for me to play off everything I am and make me back off. With Kid's catch-up post, it makes sense to rebut each point individually, etc. So there's these things and then you say stuff like, "If KidAmn is town I want him to townread me" which is so fishy! Regardless of what role you are or what role anyone else is, you want people to townread you? It doesn't say anything. Sure Alisae, he could be town and I'm wrong, but anyone could be town and I'm wrong. Mafia is not a game of deductive logic. Mafia is barely anything more than a game of random chance. I guess I'm realizing I'm one of those people who wants to go on little more than gut reads and it's ugly that they're hard to explain, but that's how I feel, and I'll do my best.

This is not how scum!Implosion works.

There are a few things about scum!Implosion
A. He doesn't really stand out and is just kinda there.
B. I've nailed him in EP most recent game as scum. I was nailing for him and screaming for his head. He couldn't put them out, what ended up happening was people were louder then I was and I was nk'd.

[Alisae]

he has no presence

[Alisae]

I don't have that many reads I'm locking myself into because if I lock myself into reads its harder to notice scum that may be obvscumming
My presences hasn't been impactful because I'm not shouting down people trying to lynch my reads and fighting with Tammy

[Alisae]

alisae implying im a nullread is cute.~

Shit son I just wanted to know if you were tsuntsun or deredere you feel me

neato
is implosion still scum?
if not who is?

My vote's still there

I actually kinda agree with Spiffeh on Alisae since Alisae should 100% know how I play is literally just how I play so them jumping on my wall is a bit off. I agree that they're kinda too eager to jump in and weigh in on everything, and #362 honestly smells like horseshit because the one game that instantly springs to mind that we were both in is literally the longest game ever played on this site (Civ Mafia) and if that doesn't stick in your mind IDK what does (and incidentally you can literally read any of my town games for examples of this just being how I get back into games - just one giant fuckoff wall)

If you think I remember anything about how you play then you're wrong. Because I don't really remember how you play.
I don't really have a good memory

[Alisae]

UNVOTE:
I'm not going to pretend like I know who scum is right now
I clearly don't because my KidAmn read is null now and Dan I'm starting to accept could be town.

[Alisae]

Hey UT
why is the Quil wagon a thing again?

[Alisae]

The main issue I have is it feels like they're working with everyone (that isn't Alisae) because all of their reads are either prob-town, town-lean, null-town, or FUCK ALISAE, which feels like a really odd base to work off of

Okay this does sound town
but why would it be an odd base to work off of?
Like, scum!Implosion here I feel like would be a lot more flexible with his scumreads right now.

[Alisae]

Hey Spiffeh, I remember in Gay Mafia you were breathing down lurkers fucking necks like a fucking crying child (IE how you treated Pine/Katsuki) why isn't that happening here.

[Alisae]

did you pay any attention to my conversation with spiffeh
if not you should read that

[Alisae]

Quil I have no read on Bins
and Sleepy it was the stuff about Dan using IIoA > actual analysis

[Alisae]

I thought he was but honestly I was giving that brief skim.
I kinda don't think Dan is in his scumrange atm with his push on Quil

[Alisae]

happy i rolled town bc i can now prove everyone keeps wrongly scumreading me

The only thing that really comes to mind when it comes to Bins is this and this tbh sounds like its coming from town but its not really much to go off of and I kinda want something with more substance.

[Alisae]

People are talking about shea?

[Alisae]

Hey Spiffeh, I remember in Gay Mafia you were breathing down lurkers fucking necks like a fucking crying child (IE how you treated Pine/Katsuki) why isn't that happening here.

Hey UT
why is the Quil wagon a thing again?

Can ywall like answer these shit?

[Alisae]

VOTE: Spiffeh
A. You're taking the easy way out with your reads
B. I don't believe you are ever this levelheaded as town

Time to be like fuck you and vote Spiffeh because that's what people expect from me.

[Alisae]

I'm going backwards for this case because I just woke up.

The Quilford is like the laziest shit ever and he's not even one of my town reads (although I might be starting to lean that way)

Can you atleast LOOK like you're trying to be town here fucking seesh because tonally this does not come off as town. What this comes off as as scum just attempting to look good for defending Quil.

--

I think that's a very poor attempt to discredit EP's scum read on you.

Yes, I realize I forgot to include you. I would like to know what's so weird about it?

I never actually saw Spiffeh come back to this.

--

Hey Alisae what are your strongest reads at the moment?

Also on what basis do you expect ActionDan to be putting in more effort as town?

Okay here we have this interaction, but I'm not really convinced Spiffeh actually cared or got anything out of it. From this point on he kinda just left the progression and stance on my slot not clear.

--

and in this setup where appeasing everyone is extremely important

On this note this is the majority of the reason Alisae has been giving me the heebie-jeebies

I feel that he has like a foot/comment about every discussion, which normally would be a good thing if it weren't for the fact that scum pretty much need to have a good report with everyone in order to win

Okay and why can't I being doing this as town Spiffy? Like, I've played with you a few times.
A. We were both town in Civ and you replaced out and I was... exactly like this. Asking questions and scumhunting.
This is nothing new dude.
B. Me and Titus were hydraing and we were scum, you were town. And we pocketed the shit out of you, and I am fairly positive I think I could do it again.
C. I was town and you were scum in biochem, where I replaced out and remember nothing from that game due to commitment issues

Bins who is scum go

Are you tacky scum?

ARE YOU?

If Bins were scum I would expect her to appease me here instead of avoid my question. Especially having finished two recent games with her where she rolled scum and in this setup where appeasing everyone is extremely important

It doesn't look like much on the surface but I am pretty confident in my town read of her because of this

Your expectations of what scum would do in a setup like this are actually shit, because this is just a normal game of mafia where you can't get your partner

lynched

.

--

I have reasons to AT LEAST vaguely town read all of {Gorkington, Realeo, implosion, Ramcius, Untrod Tripod, Bins, Chèvre, Ellibereth, Errantparabola, thestatusquo}

Which leaves {randomidget, SleepyKrew, ActionDan, Alisae, Quilford}

I even almost put ActionDan in the first list purely for activity reasons but that would probably be stupid.

If you want explanations for any of these let me know/maybe I'll just give some explanations on the ones I haven't really talked about tomorrow if you all behave

This is exactly what reading the table at the moment. Like, idunno what this looks like to you, but this DEFINITELY looks like he is taking the easy way out with his reads. Obvtown as town, people that can easily be lynched as scum.

[Alisae]

Tl;dr Spiffeh is full of shit vote the everliving shit out of him

I finally found something to push to get me into this game
(Which was probably why my scumhunting seemed weak)

[Alisae]

Hi spiffeh I'm railroading you atleast ACT like you care seesh

[Alisae]

I describe it as shit
I don't know how UT's read on Quil has progressed I would like to hear how it has because to me Quil is like
Obvious town

[Alisae]

Nope no read there yet still but I feel like what you said about him in 780 makes random look like town playing suboptmally

[Alisae]

How you expect scum to play here is straight up not how I would play however
And in which case how confident are you in me flipping scum?

Because I would probably fight my scumbuddy to the ends of the earth here if I was scum

Pedit: How can scum!Bins get you on her side when she doesn't seem that committed herself? Like my experience with scum!bins is she would atleast look like she was doing more then she actually is.

[Alisae]

Day 1

ActionDan ( 1 )

SleepyKrew

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(L - 8 )

Alisae ( 1 )

Gorkington

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(L - 8 )

Bins ( 1 )

Quilford

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(L - 8 )

Gorkington ( 1 )

Ramcius

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(L - 8 )

implosion ( 2 )

KidAmn

Chevre

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(L - 7 )

KidAmn ( 1 )

Errantparabola

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(L - 8 )

Quilford ( 5 )

randomidget

ActionDan

Untrod Tripod

Ellibereth

Bins

[/color]

(L - 4 )

randomidget ( 1 )

Spiffeh

[/color]

(L - 8 )

SleepyKrew ( 1 )

implosion

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(L - 8 )

Untrod Tripod ( 1 )

Realeo

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(L - 8 )

Not Voting ( 2 )

thestatusquo Alisae

Total Votes ( 17 )

Needed to Lynch [ 9 ]

Deadline: Oct. 22 at 18:00 EDT

The only one that actually has votes out of any of those is Bins.

And okay what are your reasons you have to support it?
Because to me, what you think, is you forming your reads to look like you're going with what everyone else wants in the moment. And no one seems to strongly demand any of those 3 you mentioned.

[Alisae]

Spiffeh i don't see you having any trouble bringing life into a game when you could just yell at lurkers trying to get them to post.
Like the impression I have of you is you are abrasive and sometimes kinda an ass to people, and that is completely absent here.

[Alisae]

I think its AI because you're going about appeasing people and being engage and being nice to people.
The way you think scum would approach the game is how I feel like you are approaching it.

[Alisae]

Let's see.
I understand EP's scumread on me and honestly have no way idea how to respond to it.
I understand Implosion's scumread on me however I think its wrong and I wasn't able to have much of a presence.
I think Spiffeh is just scum
And I have no idea why you're scumreading me.

So yes.
I have 100+ posts and I just got something I feel confident about and your problem is?
Like are you trying to gaslight me
Because that's what it seems like you're doing :/

[Alisae]

Yep
Response is still the same.

[Alisae]

Ok keely thank you for your concern

[Alisae]

RM's posts 193, 195, and 200 come from town. Swing and a miss guys

why

[Alisae]

OK what do you think about his most recent posting

[Alisae]

Why does your defense of random seems so "yeah whatever"

[Alisae]

Act like you believe in your read and care

[Alisae]

Shea this isn't normal for me tbh
I think I'm just having trouble finding conviction right now.

[Alisae]

You shouldn't tbh
From what my POV is currently I'm trying to find ways to contribute but I just
Can't seem to find ways to contribute
And I'm having trouble even attempting to push reads so...

[Alisae]

Like I can form reads its just suddenly my scumhunting has become terrible and it feels like TBD: Adventure Zone where I was scum and I litterally did not know what to do because I was purposely trying not to bus.
Except the plot twist is that I'm town here and I can't seem to make that obvious by play.
I can't get into the groove I guess.

[Alisae]

No implosion is town please stop it

[Alisae]

And I also can... sort of believe Alisae here, a little bit.
From what I know (which is admittedly not much) I don't think I would really strongly expect Alisae to go through that line of posts as scum? And maybe seomeone can back me up or disprove me. But, like, that's just the worst post ever from someone who's trying to read Alisae-- "yeah I suck and it seems like I'm playing to my scum meta but I'm actually town believe me" and I want to believe.

I would say this as scum stop it

[Alisae]

that or the problem would have never existed in the first place.

[Alisae]

Hey!
That post gives me flashbacks of when I told Kuribo to calm the fuck down in Gay Mafia
I provided a kitten and everything.

[Alisae]

(I was scum in that game)

[Alisae]

i'm gonna re-evaluate realeo
Sleepy tbh I kinda liked his post on Implosion saying that statement sounded faked
ActionDan I think is town.

[Alisae]

ohhh the care part. that's lacking yes

this feels really towny in that if Dan was scum I feel like he would be hiding this and pretending to care.

[Alisae]

Not really

[Alisae]

I mean i have no plans on hammering so...

[Alisae]

We could just lynch Quilford

That's always an option

why

[Alisae]

Why is he scum?

[Alisae]

UT I was kinda hoping the read developed a bit more from Quil's play a lot later on

[Alisae]

no meta checked at all but ali's iso reads to me to like town who has a lot of trouble getting into it and is kinda trying but not really because they're just not feeling it.

Ali, has there been any town game you had before where you were similarily demoralized?

nothing comes to mind right away

[Alisae]

no meta checked at all but ali's iso reads to me to like town who has a lot of trouble getting into it and is kinda trying but not really because they're just not feeling it.

Ali, has there been any town game you had before where you were similarily demoralized?

What do you think Ali was asking questions for? Compare what they do with the answers to their questions with ANY town game.

They just dont care what the answers are here. That's the only conclusion I can come up with for the way they approached people in this game.

ok but
I should be caring about what answers I get as scum if you were metadiving me no?

[Alisae]

You mentioned I care about answers in like any towngame yeah?
So why aren't you looking at my scumgame to see if I care about answers there?

If you ARE going to use meta atleast do it right and take examples from both alignments

[Alisae]

1055 looks like you left that out to me
Is that how I'm supposed to be interpreting that post?
Because that's how I'm interpreting that post

[Alisae]

actually considering I just saw your whole read on me it seems like you're not analyzing my scumgame Considering I just saw that page 42 exist (yes I am that tired right now)
Again is this the right interpretation?
Because if you're using meta to grasp how I play then you have to look at a scumgame as well.

[Alisae]

Holy fuck reading up on Alisae is tough. THEY HAVE OVER 50 PAGES OF GAME POSTS IN THE LAST 20 DAYS WHAT THE FUCK.

also FYI it used to be a lot worse where I simply didn't care how many posts I had
Like I had 77.77 posts per day at one point
Now its 51.49
I'm trying to post less and it could be a lot worse if you're playing with some others from my generation.

[Alisae]

VOTE: tsq

[Alisae]

BTW I think tsq is obvscumming now

[Alisae]

VOTE: Alisae

Hey
did you learn ANYTHING from the clusterfuck you replaced out of known as Civ mafia where the WHOLE town decided to wagon town because scumfucks weren't posting?
No
I really don't fucking think so if you are A. Voting me and B. think this:

Ugh randomidget is gonna flea and then I have to actually THINK about who is the remaining scum

Can we please flash wagon him that would be nice

Because guess what
random
is probably not scum.
Why?
Because he along with me and sleepy are those lynches that are like
"Yeah, I guess we'll just lynch those."

Hey
news flash

those NEVER
EVER
EVER
EVER
flip fucking scum.

VOTE: alisae

Aren't you the guy that ALWAYS says "I will be impressed if Alisae is scum here?"
This isn't how I play as scum. (Well, this isn't my norm as scum).
Anyone here who has played with scum me, can tell you this.
As scum, I actually show CONFIDENCE, and I have a presence.
Anyone here who has or reads scumgames of mine, can guess what, tell you this.



Now
the reason why I don't have any strong reads right now is
I don't have any strong feelings about who is scum
I just don't get them from who was currently posting
UNTIL
Shea started posting and pushing this halfassed meta read.
And Spiffeh I lost convincition in pushing once I started interacting with him.

First

Ok, fully caught up. Here is some thoughts on every player. I don't usually do this but theres a couple exercises I want to do here and we only have one day so I want my thoughts to be laid out as completely as possible.

SleepyKrew

- I could see SKscum. I just see no genuine interest in finding scum. In my previous town interactions with SK he has been at least theoretically invested in figuring out who the scum are, and I just don't see that here. He's lurking but not really lurking. Which might be the zone I would expect scum to be in.

Gorkington

- Keely is really trying to puzzle out the came. He is in the zone where I would expect scum post counts to be in, but is not posting in the way I expect scum to post. Solid town read. I know you gave homework for me, but catching up after not posting for 48 hours and being stranded in WVa is a higher priority to that.

Quilford

- I honestly don't know.

Ramcius

- Could be scum. So cheeky though. Post count in the right zone. Posts nonsense.

KidAmn

- No real reads here. Pretty much exactly the kind of post count I would expect scum to have.

Chevre

- Chevre seems super sincere here. Post count right where I would expect scum to be. Lean town.

Errantparabola

- EPs play here is very consistent with EP town play that I have seen from metating them before. Posts in the right zone for scum.

randomidget

- Need to do Gorks HW to compartmentalize my reads on RM. Posts not in the right zone for scum.

ActionDan

- Not much to go off of here, but posts not in the right zone for scum.

Untrod Tripod

- Posts in the right zone for scum and seems to be actively avoiding playing the game. Quils analysis on him suggests that this should NOT be the case with scumUT and frankly my experience playing with scum UT mirrors quils, which is part of why I thought that point was as strong as it was when he made it. I just don't think this is UTs scum game.

Ellibereth

- Posts in just the right zone for scum. I think that Ellibereth has done a lot of useless theory crafting this game and not really a whole lot of trying to figure out who the scum is. If you read his iso you find a lot of stuff that you'd never be able to read for alignment, but is related to the game in a theory sense. I know that implosion town read me for this, but I don't share the same thought. I think that scum would be perfectly content to talk theory especially if the theory they were espousing was not the one they would take. If Elli flips scum we can pretty much guarantee his partner is not a lurker.

Bins

- Posts not in the zone for scum, appears to genuinely not be playing the game. Also seems to genuinely not care if they get lynched either. Lean town.

Spiffeh

- Posts in the zone for scum. This read seems to have changed the most during my reread. In a period where there was stagnation, there's just no motivation for spiffeh to play the way they have if they're scum. They are really engaged with trying to find the scum it looks like, and this is hard to fake. I find scum questions about others points are often tinged with either trying to egg them to a conclusion or create subtle discredits for the points, whereas spiffeh seems to genuinely trying to find the answers to the game. Hard town read.

implosion

- Inside the range for scum. I think Implosions arguments tend to be focused on hyper specific parts of the game, and I don't think that he seems all that interested on whats going on outside of those parts. Lean scum.

Realeo

- Posts outside the range I would expect for scum. Not many other thoughts.

Alisae

- Posts inside the range I would expect from scum. Also just normal for allisae of any alignment? People can correct me if that is wrong. I just think that allisae is posting lots but saying little. I don't think they care who is lynched. I think that they tend to be steering discussion in non-productive directions. I think the last push on spiffeh was completely non-town, because I just don't see how a town player could expect that post to lead to good outcomes from town. Its kind of like allisae said to themselves "I would be tunneling someone at this point as scum I need to play to that meta but it can't be a wagon or someone will shoot me when they flip town." and just parked their vote in a safe place. I'm hugely not a fan.

A couple of tertiary points, I wanted to see if limited out the super lurkers would be helpful to me, and by and large its not. If we expect lurkers to not be the scum because of the risk of being shot, that doesn't do a whole lot for us.

If I had to guess I would expect our scum to be in the group of (allisae, implosion, elli, ram, SK).

If a lurker flees we can fully eliminate all other lurkers from our reads. I think the main thing scum are likely to do is post middling count but that could go out the window if one of the scum is allisae who posts high regardless.

I'm going to VOTE: ellibereth for now and see where this takes me.

Actually read this post
its shit
0 analysis in this.
A bunch of information
And if you think I'm "Keeping my options open."
Look at this fucking post.
Because this is exactly what keeping your options fucking looks like.
There is NOTHING of value in this post you can get from it, and it is easily fakable as scum.


Now the way Shea is pushing Eli looks like how I push my scumreads.
I don't like to talk about why they are scum. They just are scum.
I mean hey its less work that you have to fabricate or look like you're doing.

Then look how he pulls out of his Eli push

Dan is town.

I read his scum games and his town games and honestly this game sort of follows dans pattern when town and he doesn't have any reads. He tends to just coast into the later game and try to catch people. When he is not feeling it, he doesn't post, unless there is memeing going on, which there is not this game. In his scum games that I read he at least faked it to a small degree. He has not done that here.

Elli is town.

This is just not his scum game. He actually, on reread, does seem invested in finding the scum in this game. I went back and read quite a few of his scum games and hes just not like that as scum, especially on d1. Caveat here is that this game is a bit unique and this meta is old, but I am pretty comfortable with this read.

Shea is town.

Obv Obv.


More to come! I'm going to be MIA this weekend and I want to place a vote with confidence and stuff for people to read to get off this kind of ridiculous sk wagon.

Hint: It looks REALLY fucking scummy and faked.
Like this does not look like town re-evaluating.
It just doesn't.

Alisae could be scum. The way they're playing this game is drastically different from their town game. I know they've already admitted as much if you read back in their meta, and there are a couple of examples of them saying things like "no it makes sense that you've been scum reading me. Here's the thing, though: It's not just a lack of reads or pushes that's different, its the whole way in which they're approaching the other players in this game. The alisae town games I read showcase the same questioning attitude I see in this game, but more than slightly different. In those games they seem to be trying to pick apart others reasons and either reject them (read them from scum or as null) or incorporate them into their own. Here Alisae is asking a lot of questions but they don't seem to be doing anything with the answers, so to speak. Just read the iso (I know, I know, it's a lot.) Almost all of the posts are interacting with another person, and a huge percentage of them are asking questions (this is consistent with the alisae town games I read) but then the answers just...don't go anywhere in terms of reads or thoughts. It's like they're trying to force people to answer questions about the game to be involved in the game but doesn't really care. Then we get a spiffeh push from them which is just out of left field, seems to be way less than some other things going on, and just seems kind of pointless. They make a couple of half hearted attempts to keep pushing that wagon but eventually just go back to this nonsense questioning style. I don't like it. I don't think it's alisae's town game.

Yeah, I said that this isn't how I play as town.
HOWEVER
Is this how I play as scum?
Because it isn't.
I KNOW you are reading and analyzing other people's scumgames.
So why aren't you saying you did so here (assuming you did)?
This looks EXTREMELY disingenuous and does not come across as you genuinely interested in solving the game.

We don't have much time left
but we can still vote fucking shea
and in the event he doesn't flee
you can accuse the shit out of him.

[Alisae]

tl;dr vote fucking shea its scum.

[Alisae]

Yeah it woulda been nice if I didn't feel like I caught scum 2 fucking days before game end.

[Alisae]

Bins gimmie your vote we got time to make this happen

[Alisae]

Bins if you think I'm fooling you look at Shea's posts and answer this
Does he look like he is trying?
It really does not come off as that to me.

[Alisae]

actually i think the him pulling off me after reading my old games was super reasonable.

also he's ONLY scum if it's with sleepy.

Yeah but the way he did it just does not seem towny to me and why is he only scum with sleepy?

[Alisae]

actually i think the him pulling off me after reading my old games was super reasonable.

also he's ONLY scum if it's with sleepy.

Yeah but the way he did it just does not seem towny to me and why is he only scum with sleepy?

idk seems fine to me.

if he wasn't why would he need to do anything
pushing me and then backing off and pushing you would be absurd otherwise yeah?

Well it doesn't come off towny to me mostly because it kinda just seems forced and I just hate the timing?
Like
I am having a hard time explaining it
but I do not like it at all


And that seems so convoluted and complex that I think looking into it is kinda worthless.

[Alisae]

makes me feel to some extent significantly better about alisae, doesn't really change my read on shea (neither does chevre's thing) but it's definitely content that we can analyse. in any case, i'm totally down to see the flee heh

Why are you so hard to talk to?

[Alisae]

Actually I really shouldn't be complaining.
EP here are a few things to consider if you even WANT to consider them.
A. Why don't I just hammer Sleepy at L-1 and then flee?
B. Why do you think me suddenly starting a push on Shea is a scum tactic rather then me just finding something I strongly believe in?

[Alisae]

Why don't I just hammer Sleepy at L-1 and then flee?

i will say this though.
the only reason i can think of that sleepy hasnt been hammered multiple times now is that either hes just scum or the scummier scummate has been on the wagon the whole time.

This is what the would have looked like when Sleepy was at L-1

Alisae ( 2 ) Errantparabola (L - 7 )
Ellibereth ( 1 ) thestatusquo (L - 8 )
Errantparabola ( 1 ) Ramcius (L - 8 )
implosion ( 1 ) SleepyKrew (L - 8 )
Quilford ( 3 ) randomidget ActionDan Ellibereth (L - 6 )
SleepyKrew ( 8 ) Gorkington Quilford Bins KidAmn Spiffeh Chevre implosion Untrod Tripod (L - 1 )
Spiffeh ( 1 ) Alisae (L - 8 )
Untrod Tripod ( 1 ) Realeo (L - 8 )
Not Voting ( 0 )
Total Votes ( 17 )
Needed to Lynch [ 9 ]


Deadline: Oct. 22 at 18:00 EDT

Who's scum here?

[Alisae]

Ok can you get back to me when you have more to look at besides wagon comp?
That or just read my case on Shea and talk to me about it

I'd be happy with either one

[Alisae]

uhhhh wha dude
i said your case on shea makes me townread you more? ? ? ? ?
?

I coulda just read your post wrong sorry.

[Alisae]

Actually I really shouldn't be complaining.
EP here are a few things to consider if you even WANT to consider them.
A. Why don't I just hammer Sleepy at L-1 and then flee?
B. Why do you think me suddenly starting a push on Shea is a scum tactic rather then me just finding something I strongly believe in?

Hey Implosion answers these

[Alisae]

Hey Keely
look at Shea's posts from 881 with an open mind and a reset read.
If you townread shea after doing that, tell me why.

[Alisae]

oh ok thanks for making me feel like worthless trash I guess I'll just lurk out and get lynched now and flip town.

[Alisae]

A. either because you didn't think of it at the time as being a good option

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Implosion I'm not bad at this game and I know when to lolhammer
but apparently Keely and you think otherwise so bye now.

[Alisae]

VOTE: sleepy
Shea isn't happening anymore

[Alisae]

Oh hell no

[Alisae]

im sorry if youre town, but your options at this point are either put more effort into making it clear why you think shea is scum,

vote sleepy and try to push that

as this comes across mainly as a survivalism vote.

I'm sorry?
I'm using my vote productively because I don't think Shea is a wagon that is taking off with less then 12 hours left in the day.

[Alisae]

nope.

No one is going to flashwagon Bins with 12 hours left in the day that's just as good as no lynching becuase no one is going to agree with that.
That's common sense.

[Alisae]

If Ali flees implosion is 100% their partner.

I mean
if this is what fucking shea thinks
it implies that he thinks Implosion is bussing me and that's suicidal right now.
Do you see Implosion defending me?
Does his push even look like a bus if we're buddies?

No.
The dude is fucking scum taking into no consideration of what Implosion is doing.


BUT NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
Apparently I'm shit at this game and my case is shit.

[Alisae]

I want Shea out of everything right now because he is obvscum but nope
that's not happening

[Alisae]

Like Shea is the most obvscum to ever fucking scum his recent posts are just not town and if he flees after Sleepy is lynched (and flips town) then I am accusing Gork because your defense makes no fucking sense its like you're not even reading his posts.

[Alisae]

you had a nice view of Civ Mafia. you know how shit-tier my scumgame is.
if youre seriously going to push this, its as good as a scumclaim.
so, by all means.

p-edit: pretty strongly.

Fucking deathtunnel me
do it.

I remember NOTHING about your scumgame from civ.
Like actually nothing nor do I care to.

So fucking deathtunnel me.

[Alisae]

Your welcome now go lead me fucking lynch because apparently I'm such a fucking scumfuck that I don't hammer Sleepy at L-1 and then flee for ~Reasons~

Yep
apparently I don't do that as scum here.

[Alisae]

Then who's my partner?

[Alisae]

Nope.
Can't be mine because 1176 implies he'll vote me if needed for deadline and if we were both scum here in this situation we would just hardpush Sleepy or I could have hammered Sleepy at L-1 and flee.

[Alisae]

and takes its course from what?
Me suddenly being the lynch?

I'm clearly not going to look good from anything at that point because at around that stage of the game no one is really going to re-evaluate their reads.
Like I can try
its not going to make anyone change their minds.

I rather telegraph that I'm confident my partner isn't going to get shot because I would have set them up to win.

[Alisae]

I rather him vote for Sleepy tyvm

[Alisae]

No its fucking not

[Alisae]

Like you have way more chances of flipping scum then I do put people think I am going to flip scum for ~reasons~ that just do not line up when Shea is just getting away with whatever

[Alisae]

And you are on a mislynch

[Alisae]

Dan deadline is today just vote Sleepy and someone will just fucking hammer. If you think Implosion is still scum you can accuse him or some shit

[Alisae]

DUDE I AM LIKE THIS AS BOTH ALIGNMENTS

[Alisae]

And I bet you sleepy would be calm here as both alignments as well so that post is bad

[Alisae]

That's nice to hear atleast.

[Alisae]

Alisae is using "but I didn't hammer SK when he was at L-1!" as a crutch when people have already brought to light several reasons why scum wouldn't do that

but I would do that.

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I will no lynch if it's between alisae and sleepy.

Godspeed

stop being difficult.

[Alisae]

wow

[Alisae]

Thanks Zor for modding
Good job Quil and Eli

[Alisae]

omg that's so adorable :3

[Alisae]

Yo same except for the parts with Keely that made me want to stop playing.

[Alisae]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

[Alisae]

Mulch, are you that bored to come in game you didn't played to troll people?

I cannot take this seriously coming from you

[Alisae]

some people's meta I don't care about
some people's meta I do (Creature)