Beneath The Mask [Endgame]

[Ramcius]

It's supposed to be possibly maf in the second list, it's poe.

i know, it's still shit

[Ramcius]

i dunno where to start, really...

@Varsoon, you supposed shoot Smocaine, not Creature...

@Creature, wtf was that? Not BP?

@Crier, i said D3 that i can confirm myself, nice way to waste your check

@Conspiracy, thx for shooting Varsoon, compulsive vig is liability and you saved us a lynch down the line

Ranty over, back to business

VOTE: Smocaine

welcome back, Eli, dunno, if you have god reads or aiming for Don Corleone

Welcome Toranaga



also, CiA was very obv Morgana, strange they lived that long

[Ramcius]

smocaine votes off NOW

why?

[Ramcius]

Ramcius, Varsoon didn't shoot Creature. Creature was nightkilled before Varsoon's vengeful activated.
also, listen to Ellibereth because it's Elliberith. :>

then who killed Varsoon, let me ask?

[Ramcius]

VOTE: PN

then i vote my second option

[Ramcius]

Do we have any idea why Morgana died?

hmmm, i guess couple people with vengekills wanted them dead

[Ramcius]

SNEAK PREVIEW OF ELLI'S GUIDE AT NOT BREEDING AN ENVIRONMENT WHERE SCUM CAN GO DERP DERP OOPS DIDN'T READ HAHAHAHAHA TOWNSLIP LUL FROM THE PRINCETON REVIEW MAFIA GUIDE

1) READ MOD POSTS

don't teach them, it will be harder for us to hunt them down later on, if they'll know how to play as a scum

[Ramcius]

It starts with a T and ends with an verb describing possession (T+OWN)

Drixx is gonna need a bit to adjust as I spent most of the night phase trying to tell him Creature is town.

Scumreads are Ramicus and PN.

~~Math

why you still scumreading me?

P-Edit: can we lynch PN? His useless comments really getting under my skin

[Ramcius]

It starts with a T and ends with an verb describing possession (T+OWN)

Drixx is gonna need a bit to adjust as I spent most of the night phase trying to tell him Creature is town.

Scumreads are Ramicus and PN.

~~Math

why you still scumreading me?

P-Edit: can we lynch PN? His useless comments really getting under my skin

Mainly VCA and how votes were positioned and your reads at that time.

I will do more when not getting ready for work.

But definitely could lynch PN.

But I think for crier reasons you'll stick around. I expect that number not who but a number by EoD btw.

~~Math

well, then i give you couple things to think about:

why would i choose Kise lynch over PP D1?
I strongly suspected CiA being Morgana since D1, when Dave told me twice to back off, so as a scum, i would killed CiA N1 without a doubt

i have no idea what you mean with number from crier, they supposedly learned flavor of person i visited tonight. That being said i don't know, if my action succeeded, or maybe crier lies, or anything - crier haven't got result first 2 times, which is suspicious

[Ramcius]

Spoiler:

It starts with a T and ends with an verb describing possession (T+OWN)

Drixx is gonna need a bit to adjust as I spent most of the night phase trying to tell him Creature is town.

Scumreads are Ramicus and PN.

~~Math

why you still scumreading me?

P-Edit: can we lynch PN? His useless comments really getting under my skin

Mainly VCA and how votes were positioned and your reads at that time.

I will do more when not getting ready for work.

But definitely could lynch PN.

But I think for crier reasons you'll stick around. I expect that number not who but a number by EoD btw.

~~Math

well, then i give you couple things to think about:

why would i choose Kise lynch over PP D1?
I strongly suspected CiA being Morgana since D1, when Dave told me twice to back off, so as a scum, i would killed CiA N1 without a doubt

i have no idea what you mean with number from crier, they supposedly learned flavor of person i visited tonight. That being said i don't know, if my action succeeded, or maybe crier lies, or anything - crier haven't got result first 2 times, which is suspicious

Just do something like

If I am in the real world I will visit X people tonight. If I am in the metaverse I will visit Y people tonight.

Crier knows if they get something different something is weird.

Maybe you would have. Maybe a scum buddy disagreed. I don't like maybes.

Like rational numbers I prefer my reads based on concreteness rather than wine. It leaves stains on my proofs.

~~Math

you want crier to visit me again? I rather not tell you my visit tonight, we can do it next night (assuming i still be alive by then)

Ofc i can tell who i will visit tonight, but then i will have fully claim, which i rather don't

[Ramcius]

Someone forced Chikoritas to target PN last night or be roleblocked. The available ability would have been neighborize.
Chikoritas did not want to do that, and they didn't unless they did it via PM.

I received "something" from someone N1.

that was me

[Ramcius]

Someone forced Chikoritas to target PN last night or be roleblocked. The available ability would have been neighborize.
Chikoritas did not want to do that, and they didn't unless they did it via PM.

I received "something" from someone N1.

that was me

i mean, i gave something N1

[Ramcius]

and since it's out, Chara, you got something last night?

[Ramcius]

and since it's out, Chara, you got something last night?

nothing is out, why did you claim anyway?

Well, i said i gave something to Dave, so it's out that i can give something. Did you got something or not? Don't tell what it was, but we can test crier this way too - if you got something, they must know your flavor then

[Ramcius]

I don't want who.

Just numbers like my username.

You yourself have claimed a PR role.

Gives no new info to scum.

~~Math

can you be more clear what you want from me with crier?

and yes, we all are PRs, it's role madness

[Ramcius]

and since it's out, Chara, you got something last night?

nothing is out, why did you claim anyway?

Well, i said i gave something to Dave, so it's out that i can give something. Did you got something or not? Don't tell what it was, but we can test crier this way too - if you got something, they must know your flavor then

Read the post again Ramicus.

They said they are targeting you tonight.

Not in the past.

~~Math

oh, my bad then. I strongly advice they choose different target for tonight and they can target me next night

also, i have no access to Metaverse, so you need better plan

[Ramcius]

and since it's out, Chara, you got something last night?

nothing is out, why did you claim anyway?

Well, i said i gave something to Dave, so it's out that i can give something. Did you got something or not? Don't tell what it was, but we can test crier this way too - if you got something, they must know your flavor then

why did you claim giving something to dave? it's out because you outed it, just now.
...anyway. i don't see what's useful about this, unless you think the crier is lying about their results. with how easily that would be found out, i really doubt it.

because Dave said he got something N1. Considering fact he's no more deathless, i wanted this out now than later. This also works as a kinda safety for your alignment - if Dave dead, when i out it, you might deny getting anything and i would have harder time proving myself, if needed

[Ramcius]

So your metaverse number is 0. How much is your real world number?

~~Math

it will be 1 tonight

[Ramcius]

@Chara, did you got something last night or you didn't? Don't tell what it was, if you got, just yes or no

[Ramcius]

Massclaim with majority of scum dead breaks large games

this is common knowledge.

Already on record with this. Any decent scum knows how to fuck with that.

Mass claim makes me the next kill.

~~Math

you supposed to be dead since N1 according to your words, so i won't worry that much about death

[Ramcius]

Eli, i will give you small teaser - i'm Tae Takemi, your N1 target

[Ramcius]

Eli, i will give you small teaser - i'm Tae Takemi, your N1 target

i was forced to target purple dude remember.

ur character is cute.

damn, my memory

[Ramcius]

ramci i kinda want to slot you before maki and kaito is that okay.

i can claim now, if you want, it doesn't really changes anything to me, when to claim

[Ramcius]

like does it not matter to you

or does it actually not matter

I'm trying to think about what would affect potential fakeclaims and stuff too.

hm, it shouldn't affect fakeclaims

P-Edit: i haven't targeted you

[Ramcius]

UNVOTE:

[Ramcius]

Whomever keeps bringing up the fact that we expected to die night one: that was ME (Drixx) who said that. Every time I've ever had to claim something and risked an early NK death, I will predict it. As a general rule, scum don't kill people who predict that they will be killed. Feel free to metadive me if you want and you'll see me doing it pretty frequently. I will note up front that I do it as both factions. It really was quite foolish of scum to leave us alive.

well, Math claiming you getting killed before massclaim is done, so i just bring it as a joke, tbh i don't think it has much influence on getting killed or not, if you claim to getting killed

I agree with the mass claim.

Ramcius, you shouldn't claim your night action for this night until the crier claims, so that we can confirm their action.

well, it's early to discuss my night actions, but i hope we chose someone else for crier to follow tonight

[Ramcius]

I'm saying if your turn comes before the crier is claimed, you shouldn't claim your target for today before the crier outs their own results (and you can claim that part after/at the same time)

they wanted follow me upcoming night

[Ramcius]

That's not what they claimed, what makes you think otherwise?

Math said so and crier message isn't very clear

[Ramcius]

Toranaga
Maki and Kaito
Ramcius
WhemeStar

you guys left on the y/n to targetting purple and then purple starts mc.

no, i didn't visited them

[Ramcius]

Hey elli whats your read on chess

can you read him good

I kinda wanna lynch chess

first we massclaim, then we talk lynch

[Ramcius]

I don't wanna claim before smocaine the dude I've been scumreading whole game

you think your claim might influence his fakeclaim?

[Ramcius]

sheesh, i just was going tell wheme to claim as it is, if his claim won't affect possible fakeclaim

[Ramcius]

But he did die...Look at the first post. He came back to life after not talking a day.

Which right now I am working on a theory.

Limited = one shot
Temporary = must be used that night
Modified = only works on scum buddies
Reflexive = means they visit you
Strongeiller = get strongman kill

~~Math

Or you just flat out kill those who visit you so I want to figure it out.

first page says Eli was dragged to Metaverse, that was reason he couldn't speak, so that's might be real PN ability

[Ramcius]

Since this is a super complicated setup and that feels honest and I have to go to work I will let others sort that out.

However right now I am tempted to just say we lynch you.

Ramicus unlikely Mastina and therefore a Mastina hydra would include as few lies as possible.

~~Math

well, i remember one of them really hard crumbing strongman maker D1, saying something like their ability is weapon upgrade or something, i took it as a possible PGO bait.

P-Edit: Ali is a guy, it feels weird, when you call him "she"

[Ramcius]

Since this is a super complicated setup and that feels honest and I have to go to work I will let others sort that out.

However right now I am tempted to just say we lynch you.

Ramicus unlikely Mastina and therefore a Mastina hydra would include as few lies as possible.

~~Math

well, i remember one of them really hard crumbing strongman maker D1, saying something like their ability is weapon upgrade or something, i took it as a possible PGO bait.

P-Edit: Ali is a guy, it feels weird, when you call him "she"

Ali actually uses the e pronouns. So it feels weird either way because to e is what e says e is.

damn, you have a point

[Ramcius]

that was not a crumb for scum to target me, it was a very specific crumb because i was claiming a weird ass borderline neg-util role and i know it would be quetsioned. it was weird enough and my role is weird enough that nobody was ever going to guess anything off that crumb. did you notice it? did anyone? i didn't just post that naked for a reason, i quoted one of my previous walls and just said that because it implied i was adding onto my previous scum-crushing walls as a way of threatening scum with my words. it was well-masked.

it wasn't masked at all, mastina claimed neg utility helpful to scum, if they kill her, you claimed your ability name is weapon upgrade

are you 3p?

[Ramcius]

can i claim now i need wait Maki? Because i'm getting tired of waiting

[Ramcius]

my turn then

Math, sorry, but i'm taking martyr role for tonight - i'm non-consec doc non-consec modified doc inventor

first half is clear i hope, as for second part, i give 1-shot doc ability, i can give only for people in real world (that's why i gave to Chara N3 instead of giving Dave second one), this ability works in both real world and Metaverse, but it can't be used on protective roles, also, this ability does not block normal night action, you can use it with others night actions

as for my night actions N1 i gave 1-shot doc to Dave, N2 i used doc on CiA (saved for Mulch as he was claimed rolecop and i had no other good target for it N1), N3 i gave 1-shot doc to Chara

[Ramcius]

why you guys made Brian green in VCs?

[Ramcius]

yeah there is a flaw by the mod you're confirmed not conspiracy gj

say who you targetted
say your arcana
and say that you reside in the mverse

ty

confirmed?

can you just claim? there will be time for discussions later

[Ramcius]

since it's over, i think at this point we can assume all PTs are town - Mulch had PT fakeclaim, because his scum role was PT too, so with non PT fakeclaim he would be easy outed by PT visit.

Also, i left out one detail about my role, i'm macho, was thinking if there's another doc, it will be more likely town, scum wouldn't risk fakeclaim 3rd doc, but knowing i'm macho and Creature being pretty much unable heal me they could try use my macho for attempt fakeclaim doc

[Ramcius]

@Ali

does PT check works on fakeclaims? I mean, if scum have PT fakeclaim, but real role isn't PT - does PT gets informed that their target is PT or doesn't?

[Ramcius]

I'd guess that if scum is pt they have a pt fakeclaim to go with it (like mulch)

i assume same, it's for Eddie, he don't want accept that PTs are conf town at this point

[Ramcius]

how about everyone in the game visits me tonight

Can anybody else use multiple actions?

We're modified motivated remember, so we can use the crier and flavour tracker on the same night, but are other people able to do the same too

i can use both in same night

[Ramcius]

how about everyone in the game visits me tonight

Can anybody else use multiple actions?

We're modified motivated remember, so we can use the crier and flavour tracker on the same night, but are other people able to do the same too

i can use both in same night

...how?

We actually have a passive ability that says that we are allowed to use both of our actions on the same night

Inventor part says that i can use it along with my normal doc ability

[Ramcius]

i have 2 actions - doc and inventor, i can use them both in same night, so i don't really understand your question

[Ramcius]

wasnt creature a doctor too

creature was Meta doc, i'm real world doc, on top of that, 2 ppl got my 1-shot doc invention, so, chess, i would like see you swinging tomorrow, PN is on top of my list for today, so you have wait your turn

Maki, no, 1-shot doc is extra action, i asked Ali D1, i wouldn't gave it to Dave otherwise - i didn't wanted him to need choose between cop and 1-shot doc

[Ramcius]

can it be that PN forced people to visit him?

[Ramcius]

to my understanding, arcanas are for dreaming god in real world or 1-shot abilities in Meta

[Ramcius]

wait wtf

im suppose to see what items people buy after they die

but you can't buy items in this game

!?!?!/1/1/1/1/1/

alisae plz

buy? can it be just invention given by other people? we got quite a few inventors

[Ramcius]

VOTE: PN

i refuse lynch PT, i don't like his pushing "at least one PT is scum, cause fakeclaim would trigger PT check", when there no real proof of it, i don't want give strongman to scum too

also, how Eddie knows he was targeted every night? I went back and found what pinged me - Leon didn't claimed where he was redirected, just that he was hit with same ability as Eli N1

[Ramcius]

okay this merits some explanation. If purple were scum they came up with a plan where they soft a shitty role and then force a bunch of people to target them. BUT WHAT IF I HAD AN INVESTIGATIVE ABILTIY THOUGH. WHICH I HAD SOFTED D1. Same with chikorita. it's hilariously fucking risky. they're fucking town

i never said they lied about their role, i think they are traitor, maybe 1-shot BP, maybe recruitable (yes, that's a stretch, i know). What investigative role out them? Second cop in game? Doubt. Rolecop? Mulch wasn't CC'ed

Now, if you believe them, why you want give scum team strongman?

[Ramcius]

they don't actually give strongman?

so, in essence, PN claiming role that tells killing roles they get strongman, when they don't actually? I don't want go into bastard/not bastard argument, but that's really strange role to be in game like this, everyone have at least something in their roles

[Ramcius]

also, why they needed question Ali D4 after claim, when they supposed know how role works since D1 - presumably he asked Ali about it, when mastina gambited and he tried salvage

[Ramcius]

why you doubt traitor? And it's not shitty, it's VT with a lie

P-edit: no, it's not clear at all, why ask about role again, if you asked D1?

[Ramcius]

also i'd call purple town for play alone every time

well, you do you, i do me, i have traitor vibe from play

[Ramcius]

also i'd call purple town for play alone every time

well, you do you, i do me, i have traitor vibe from play

i wrote a lot of really different arrogant response to this but i'll just leave those to the imagination

i'm disappointed, you didn't gave me chance to call you PN partner

[Ramcius]

I was confirmed by both chara and leonshade that I am in fact a last will inventor.
Maki is confirmed tracker by both chara and ramcius.

me and maki are the only ones whose night actions were confirmed by two players.

if smocaine is scum, eli is scum.

forgot ramcius. ramcius is confirmed by chara as giving two inventions. a tracker invention n1, and one that hasn't been outed n3. I think he gave an invention to dave but I didn't check dave to prove it.

chara's claim as loud motivator is only confirmed by rational numbers, but I should check if varsoon said anything as well.

the one claim that doesn't match right now is wheme claiming a roleblock, smocaine claiming he was roleblocked by maki's track not going anywhere. this should be clear before deciding on a lynch I think.

i gave 1-shot doc to Dave and Chara, tracker she got from PP

Wheme was in Meta, so no wonder he wasn't seen by Maki

[Ramcius]

Chess/Creature how'd you get in a hood with Creature/chess?

I don't see a reason to make that info public.

chesskid didn't lie about the neighbor, but since his ability is reflexive, that means creature would have to doc him at night. I find this very unlikely as creature was scumreading chesskid, so I think his NA was redirected.

you think we dealing with normal redirector on top of day one?

[Ramcius]

VOTE: PN

i refuse lynch PT, i don't like his pushing "at least one PT is scum, cause fakeclaim would trigger PT check", when there no real proof of it, i don't want give strongman to scum too

also, how Eddie knows he was targeted every night? I went back and found what pinged me - Leon didn't claimed where he was redirected, just that he was hit with same ability as Eli N1

I never said "at least one pt is scum", I said them being pt doesn't make them conf town and it shouldn't Trump rrads. When did i say I know I was targeted.... I literally asked who targeted me.

Yo.
Loosely still following along.
I've been telling Eddie this the whole fucking time in our PT but I am still utterly convinced that RationalNumbers is scum for a whole MYRIAD of reasons. Everything from how Mathblade is pushing a scum agenda disguised as town derp (yes there's a difference between their being derptown and them being scum) to how Mathblade has been the strongest proponent of us having a negative utility role dangerous to the town if targeted.

We know that scum have been forcing town players to target us every night thusfar.

So we know that scum held the belief that we were a negative utility role dangerous to the town if targeted.
It doesn't take a genius to put two and two together.

I wish I could be fucked to put together an actual case but you're seriously going to lose the fucking game if you go "LOL BUT THEY PT MUST BE TOWN" when the mod specifically fucking told us that THE SCUM WHEN INVESTIGATED WILL RETURN FAKECLAIMS and if the scum have a PT fakeclaim then no fucking shit they're going to RETURN A PT RESULT TO THE ACTUAL PTs and that's what you're not seeing and it's so damn obvious. You've written it off as "BUT MULCH MUST BE ONLY SCUM PT BECAUSE HE WAS A SCUM PT WITH A PT FAKECLAIM" yet that doesn't stop scum from being a non-PT scum with a PT fakeclaim and you're absolute morons if you think it does.

bolded, underlined and made red - Leon never said who was his target, how did you knew that?

[Ramcius]

Spoiler:

VOTE: PN

i refuse lynch PT, i don't like his pushing "at least one PT is scum, cause fakeclaim would trigger PT check", when there no real proof of it, i don't want give strongman to scum too

also, how Eddie knows he was targeted every night? I went back and found what pinged me - Leon didn't claimed where he was redirected, just that he was hit with same ability as Eli N1

I never said "at least one pt is scum", I said them being pt doesn't make them conf town and it shouldn't Trump rrads. When did i say I know I was targeted.... I literally asked who targeted me.

Yo.
Loosely still following along.
I've been telling Eddie this the whole fucking time in our PT but I am still utterly convinced that RationalNumbers is scum for a whole MYRIAD of reasons. Everything from how Mathblade is pushing a scum agenda disguised as town derp (yes there's a difference between their being derptown and them being scum) to how Mathblade has been the strongest proponent of us having a negative utility role dangerous to the town if targeted.

We know that scum have been forcing town players to target us every night thusfar.

So we know that scum held the belief that we were a negative utility role dangerous to the town if targeted.
It doesn't take a genius to put two and two together.

I wish I could be fucked to put together an actual case but you're seriously going to lose the fucking game if you go "LOL BUT THEY PT MUST BE TOWN" when the mod specifically fucking told us that THE SCUM WHEN INVESTIGATED WILL RETURN FAKECLAIMS and if the scum have a PT fakeclaim then no fucking shit they're going to RETURN A PT RESULT TO THE ACTUAL PTs and that's what you're not seeing and it's so damn obvious. You've written it off as "BUT MULCH MUST BE ONLY SCUM PT BECAUSE HE WAS A SCUM PT WITH A PT FAKECLAIM" yet that doesn't stop scum from being a non-PT scum with a PT fakeclaim and you're absolute morons if you think it does.

bolded, underlined and made red - Leon never said who was his target, how did you knew that?

Why would it change? It was implied based on the fact elli was forced to target us (weren't others?) And scum clearly thought we were dangerous. Question for mastina tho, not ne.

"we know"

now you try paint it as a speculation that mastina came up with alone without your knowledge?

anyway, do you give strongman to scums or you don't? Cause at this point i really not sure what is true

[Ramcius]

i mean scum have to kill purple to get it right lol

i think they must target him with killing action, or at least that was they claimed, so healing them isn't an option, especially with how limited our healing is - i have non consec heal and there's 2 1-shot docs, Tora mentioned 1-shot bg tho. So what's your plan?

[Ramcius]

i mean scum have to kill purple to get it right lol

i think they must target him with killing action, or at least that was they claimed, so healing them isn't an option, especially with how limited our healing is - i have non consec heal and there's 2 1-shot docs, Tora mentioned 1-shot bg tho. So what's your plan?

DIdnt they claim just target???

~~Math

Varsoon guessed this ages ago, but I am Munehisa Iwai. My role is a Reflexive Temporary Limited Modified Strong-Willer. I give Akira the Hanged Man Arcana.

Now the fun part. Why did Mastina think we were negative utility (hint: we aren't)? Our role does not have an active, only a passive. The translation of Alisae's lovely role name (tm) is that

anyone with a killing action

, including scum (figured I should ask Alisae since technically it is a factional kill and not personal but yea it affects them), is told they receive a Strongman modifier for their next kill. Mastina interpreted it to mean they will be able to strongman their next kill and we are a way for them to kill Dave, so that is why she wanted us dead d1. I don't even think strongman would kill through "deathproof", but whatever. The catch? They are

told

they receive a strongman modifier - they don't

actually receive

a strongman modifier.

My goal of getting people to claim if they targeted me was a low-risk way of potentially getting a scum claim. Not very likely, but it was a possibility and basically the only shot our role had of being not useless. I would've done something better if I could but eh, only you targeting me is annoying. So, no, absolutely nothing happens if you're town and you target me (unless you're a vig or something else killing). Scum clearly interpreted Mastina's claim to mean we were a PGO or something of the like. Additional point: at least, what, 2-3 people have claimed to be forced to target me? Wouldn't the person forcing them also have to target me? Makes me think it is likely a factional ability because the way I worded my request I made it seem like I was self-watcher or something I think (I was going for that), to ward away fake claims.

Tor next!

bolded and underlined, they said killing action. Can be any action, sure, it's PN claim after all

[Ramcius]

now that i think about it, why they asked Eli, if he got modifier? Did Edie expected Eli to attack them?

[Ramcius]

That says anyone with a killing action who targets them.

Not anyone who targets them with a killing action.

Word order matters.

~~Math

well, i guess we have wait PN to answer this for us

[Ramcius]

Spoiler:

VOTE: PN

i refuse lynch PT, i don't like his pushing "at least one PT is scum, cause fakeclaim would trigger PT check", when there no real proof of it, i don't want give strongman to scum too

also, how Eddie knows he was targeted every night? I went back and found what pinged me - Leon didn't claimed where he was redirected, just that he was hit with same ability as Eli N1

I never said "at least one pt is scum", I said them being pt doesn't make them conf town and it shouldn't Trump rrads. When did i say I know I was targeted.... I literally asked who targeted me.

Yo.
Loosely still following along.
I've been telling Eddie this the whole fucking time in our PT but I am still utterly convinced that RationalNumbers is scum for a whole MYRIAD of reasons. Everything from how Mathblade is pushing a scum agenda disguised as town derp (yes there's a difference between their being derptown and them being scum) to how Mathblade has been the strongest proponent of us having a negative utility role dangerous to the town if targeted.

We know that scum have been forcing town players to target us every night thusfar.

So we know that scum held the belief that we were a negative utility role dangerous to the town if targeted.
It doesn't take a genius to put two and two together.

I wish I could be fucked to put together an actual case but you're seriously going to lose the fucking game if you go "LOL BUT THEY PT MUST BE TOWN" when the mod specifically fucking told us that THE SCUM WHEN INVESTIGATED WILL RETURN FAKECLAIMS and if the scum have a PT fakeclaim then no fucking shit they're going to RETURN A PT RESULT TO THE ACTUAL PTs and that's what you're not seeing and it's so damn obvious. You've written it off as "BUT MULCH MUST BE ONLY SCUM PT BECAUSE HE WAS A SCUM PT WITH A PT FAKECLAIM" yet that doesn't stop scum from being a non-PT scum with a PT fakeclaim and you're absolute morons if you think it does.

bolded, underlined and made red - Leon never said who was his target, how did you knew that?

Why would it change? It was implied based on the fact elli was forced to target us (weren't others?) And scum clearly thought we were dangerous. Question for mastina tho, not ne.

"we know"

now you try paint it as a speculation that mastina came up with alone without your knowledge?

anyway, do you give strongman to scums or you don't? Cause at this point i really not sure what is true

Just like how earlier math tried to argue mastina was scum for the reads list with people who haven't played and I said she probably just does it from memory and I was right. Don't scumread me because I'm more intelligent than you.

you don't get tired from being cocky and useless?

I scumread you, because you play like a shit, and fact that you can't argue with arguments, but only attempt to insult my intelligence again proves you being wrong on "i'm more intelligent" part too.

[Ramcius]

None of the villains make sense to me as having his abilities. Dave and Chara both confirmed receiving his 1-Shot Doc ability.

Tae Takemi is basically Kurusu's drug dealer in the game (she's a doctor with a clinic in his neighborhood and she sells him medicine and performance enhancement drugs and other things).

He is also supposedly due for a Doc Action tonight as well, since he just used his invention ability last night.

i will add little more flavor from my role - macho is because Tae isn't going well with other docs, because of selling drugs, also, dunno if Dave and Chara got this, but 1-shot doc is called "Barely Legal Drugs"

[Ramcius]

My dog could shit better arguments than you. That shit would also probably be a better player.

you really wanna go this way?

i will speak very slowly, so your 14.0 IQ brains would understand - i accused PN (Purple Nurple), i gave arguments what PN said and what was not public knowledge at the time - N2 Leon redirect on PN slot, then you rush in and say you didn't said it, i bring it up and you blame it on mastina, then you bring example of earlier incident, when mastina wasn't posting, which is opposite to this situation - mastina was posting, i found something strange in her posting, and mastina is part of PN, so my initial accusation stands true - PN posted something that they shouldn't know for a fact as they knew as a fact, they used word "we", so that's points both heads know same

So start answering questions or just gtfo of thread with your pathetic attempts to insult me, you not doing any favor for yourself

[Ramcius]

this is very confusing. who is skirt in the game?

Purple Nurple

[Ramcius]

My dog could shit better arguments than you. That shit would also probably be a better player.

you really wanna go this way?

i will speak very slowly, so your 14.0 IQ brains would understand - i accused PN (Purple Nurple), i gave arguments what PN said and what was not public knowledge at the time - N2 Leon redirect on PN slot, then you rush in and say you didn't said it, i bring it up and you blame it on mastina, then you bring example of earlier incident, when mastina wasn't posting, which is opposite to this situation - mastina was posting, i found something strange in her posting, and mastina is part of PN, so my initial accusation stands true - PN posted something that they shouldn't know for a fact as they knew as a fact, they used word "we", so that's points both heads know same

So start answering questions or just gtfo of thread with your pathetic attempts to insult me, you not doing any favor for yourself

Can you let out your questions in a less confusing format because I have a very small iq and don't understand what you're sayinv

you can start by explaining how your role works exactly

[Ramcius]

My dog could shit better arguments than you. That shit would also probably be a better player.

you really wanna go this way?

i will speak very slowly, so your 14.0 IQ brains would understand - i accused PN (Purple Nurple), i gave arguments what PN said and what was not public knowledge at the time - N2 Leon redirect on PN slot, then you rush in and say you didn't said it, i bring it up and you blame it on mastina, then you bring example of earlier incident, when mastina wasn't posting, which is opposite to this situation - mastina was posting, i found something strange in her posting, and mastina is part of PN, so my initial accusation stands true - PN posted something that they shouldn't know for a fact as they knew as a fact, they used word "we", so that's points both heads know same

So start answering questions or just gtfo of thread with your pathetic attempts to insult me, you not doing any favor for yourself

btw can you quote the posts where you say this? it seems rather damning if true but I couldn't find it myself

VOTE: PN

i refuse lynch PT, i don't like his pushing "at least one PT is scum, cause fakeclaim would trigger PT check", when there no real proof of it, i don't want give strongman to scum too

also, how Eddie knows he was targeted every night? I went back and found what pinged me - Leon didn't claimed where he was redirected, just that he was hit with same ability as Eli N1

VOTE: PN

i refuse lynch PT, i don't like his pushing "at least one PT is scum, cause fakeclaim would trigger PT check", when there no real proof of it, i don't want give strongman to scum too

also, how Eddie knows he was targeted every night? I went back and found what pinged me - Leon didn't claimed where he was redirected, just that he was hit with same ability as Eli N1

I never said "at least one pt is scum", I said them being pt doesn't make them conf town and it shouldn't Trump rrads. When did i say I know I was targeted.... I literally asked who targeted me.

Yo.
Loosely still following along.
I've been telling Eddie this the whole fucking time in our PT but I am still utterly convinced that RationalNumbers is scum for a whole MYRIAD of reasons. Everything from how Mathblade is pushing a scum agenda disguised as town derp (yes there's a difference between their being derptown and them being scum) to how Mathblade has been the strongest proponent of us having a negative utility role dangerous to the town if targeted.

We know that scum have been forcing town players to target us every night thusfar.

So we know that scum held the belief that we were a negative utility role dangerous to the town if targeted.
It doesn't take a genius to put two and two together.

I wish I could be fucked to put together an actual case but you're seriously going to lose the fucking game if you go "LOL BUT THEY PT MUST BE TOWN" when the mod specifically fucking told us that THE SCUM WHEN INVESTIGATED WILL RETURN FAKECLAIMS and if the scum have a PT fakeclaim then no fucking shit they're going to RETURN A PT RESULT TO THE ACTUAL PTs and that's what you're not seeing and it's so damn obvious. You've written it off as "BUT MULCH MUST BE ONLY SCUM PT BECAUSE HE WAS A SCUM PT WITH A PT FAKECLAIM" yet that doesn't stop scum from being a non-PT scum with a PT fakeclaim and you're absolute morons if you think it does.

bolded, underlined and made red - Leon never said who was his target, how did you knew that?

Spoiler:

VOTE: PN

i refuse lynch PT, i don't like his pushing "at least one PT is scum, cause fakeclaim would trigger PT check", when there no real proof of it, i don't want give strongman to scum too

also, how Eddie knows he was targeted every night? I went back and found what pinged me - Leon didn't claimed where he was redirected, just that he was hit with same ability as Eli N1

I never said "at least one pt is scum", I said them being pt doesn't make them conf town and it shouldn't Trump rrads. When did i say I know I was targeted.... I literally asked who targeted me.

Yo.
Loosely still following along.
I've been telling Eddie this the whole fucking time in our PT but I am still utterly convinced that RationalNumbers is scum for a whole MYRIAD of reasons. Everything from how Mathblade is pushing a scum agenda disguised as town derp (yes there's a difference between their being derptown and them being scum) to how Mathblade has been the strongest proponent of us having a negative utility role dangerous to the town if targeted.

We know that scum have been forcing town players to target us every night thusfar.

So we know that scum held the belief that we were a negative utility role dangerous to the town if targeted.
It doesn't take a genius to put two and two together.

I wish I could be fucked to put together an actual case but you're seriously going to lose the fucking game if you go "LOL BUT THEY PT MUST BE TOWN" when the mod specifically fucking told us that THE SCUM WHEN INVESTIGATED WILL RETURN FAKECLAIMS and if the scum have a PT fakeclaim then no fucking shit they're going to RETURN A PT RESULT TO THE ACTUAL PTs and that's what you're not seeing and it's so damn obvious. You've written it off as "BUT MULCH MUST BE ONLY SCUM PT BECAUSE HE WAS A SCUM PT WITH A PT FAKECLAIM" yet that doesn't stop scum from being a non-PT scum with a PT fakeclaim and you're absolute morons if you think it does.

bolded, underlined and made red - Leon never said who was his target, how did you knew that?

Why would it change? It was implied based on the fact elli was forced to target us (weren't others?) And scum clearly thought we were dangerous. Question for mastina tho, not ne.

"we know"

now you try paint it as a speculation that mastina came up with alone without your knowledge?

anyway, do you give strongman to scums or you don't? Cause at this point i really not sure what is true

[Ramcius]

yawn

Spoiler:

VOTE: Chess

A double voter seems kinda weak for scum but out of the list of people this feels best.

huh? PN literally claimed he's infinite strongman giver for scum, if they visit him with non killing actions, why you want lynch chess instead?

[Ramcius]

"Game ruiner: u win if the game is ruined"

is it your real claim?

[Ramcius]

meta is trash tho so

we lynched Mulch because of meta, it can't be trash

[Ramcius]

you making me cry, guys, i haven't laugh so hard in a while

[Ramcius]

thanks if you want more laughs check out the mini theme Q with SpongeBobo coming like.. tomorrow

i will look at it, thx

[Ramcius]

rawr?

tell scum team to surrender, apparently they don't listen us, they still think they have chance

[Ramcius]

Edie, when you show your legendary skills that you boasting all game? I'm getting really bored waiting for it

[Ramcius]

Edie, when you show your legendary skills that you boasting all game? I'm getting really bored waiting for it

Maybe you should try voting me and being repugnant some more. It might make me humble.

at least i'm voting

[Ramcius]

chess, your gut isn't right, maybe try visit doc?

[Ramcius]

You'll have to do a housecall I don't have night actions

i do housecalls only for VIPs and i don't see you on list, so you have look for other doc

[Ramcius]

so, basically case is - RN believing in your bs about neg utility that your slot was pushing all game and they wanting you dead? Is this your big case?

if you really rs, what was your targets?

[Ramcius]

RN isn't nowhere close to be on my TR list, dunno where you getting it. Yes, i want believe PTs are conf towns for PoE reasons, it would make game pretty much solved, but Ali refusing answer and Ann having PT passive in fakeclaim made me reconsider it. We nowhere close to LYLO, so i prefer neg utility, gambiting, changing their claim left and right slot lynched first. I like how you bring up RN pushing you all game, but you did exactly same with them

[Ramcius]

I think we win just from the number of confirmed + available night actions so i can't be bothered to figure it out lul

townie

I'll go with

vote: leon

for now. that slot has been coasting hard all game

i won't lynch Leon due them being redirected on PN N2

[Ramcius]

RN isn't nowhere close to be on my TR list, dunno where you getting it. Yes, i want believe PTs are conf towns for PoE reasons, it would make game pretty much solved, but Ali refusing answer and Ann having PT passive in fakeclaim made me reconsider it. We nowhere close to LYLO, so i prefer neg utility, gambiting, changing their claim left and right slot lynched first. I like how you bring up RN pushing you all game, but you did exactly same with them

no, i didn't. i didn't ever seriously push for an rn lynch, go show me where that happened. past the beginning of d1, that is.

if you want nitpicking, then do it properly, tell who else you pushed, cause i have hard time to remember with all your spam

[Ramcius]

lol please stop talking to me

I'm talking to people ignoring elephant in the room - your slot, you can try defend yourself, or you can continue dodge accusation, i don't really care as long as people makes right decision

[Ramcius]

when i look at you, i wish we would've lynched you D2 instead of Mulch

[Ramcius]

I think we win just from the number of confirmed + available night actions so i can't be bothered to figure it out lul

townie

I'll go with

vote: leon

for now. that slot has been coasting hard all game

i won't lynch Leon due them being redirected on PN N2

he was not redirected or anything like that

he SAID he RECEIVED A MESSAGE and that he didn't even visit the goddamn slot anyway. do you think scum is gonna confirm eli AND leon town by sending stupid messages telling them to visit purple? I feel you're just deciding someone is scum and reading into stuff that's NAI conditionally to that scum read being correct.

I'm not deciding anything, i'm just not being reckless, when there is 3 claims about getting that message every night - Dave told CiA got it too and they were masons. I agree, it's NAI, so flipping person, who was presumably targeted is better choice than lynching recklessly

[Ramcius]

after playing with mastina in KH i don't trust anything she claims, i have facts - 3 people claims getting message to visit PN or get roleblocked, game isn't bastard, one of them flipped green already, so i don't want lynch other person, when i have better lynch - infinite strongman for scum team, if they visit them every night

[Ramcius]

Prodge

[Ramcius]

i will decide who to heal during night for obvious reasons, wheme shouldn't announce his rb target either, that's my thoughts for night plan for now

[Ramcius]

"I will do something later, but not now."
- Everyone in this game D4.

Anyway, I will do something later, but not now.

don't put me in same pile with others - i don't have plans to do something later

[Ramcius]

Conspiracy, do me a favor and kill me tonight, thx in advance

[Ramcius]

Chess, what exactly in my play gives you so hard scum vibes?

[Ramcius]

I'll case u in 3 game days if this shit is still going

i doubt i'll be still alive by then

[Ramcius]

just a reminder - less than 6 days till EoD

[Ramcius]

i agree, more rope, but you on wrong list person, Chess, you should fix it ASAP

[Ramcius]

is it good place, if you there alone?

[Ramcius]

that's 5 short, but if you join on PN, it would be just 3 short

[Ramcius]

VOTE COUNT 4 . 51 Chesskid3 ------- 2 ( Whemestar, Maki and Kaito ) L- 5 Purple Nurple --- 2 ( Ramicus, RationalNumbers ) L- 5 RationalNumbers - 2 ( Purple Nurple, Toranaga ) L- 5 Leonshade ------- 1 ( Brian Skies ) L- 6 Toranaga -------- 1 ( Chesskid3 ) L- 5 Not Voting ------ 8 ( Chara, Chesskid3, davesaz, Ellibereth, Leonshade, Smocaine ) With 13 alive, it takes 7 to Lynch Deadline is in (expired on 2017-11-20 08:24:07)

FOS COUNT 4 . 51 Toranaga --- 1 ( Chesskid3 ) Not FoS'ing - 12 ( Brian Skies, Chara, davesaz, Ellibereth, Leonshade, Maki and Kaito, Purple Nurple, Ramicus, RationalNumbers, Smocaine, Toranaga, WhemeStar ) With 13 alive, it takes 7 to Lynch Deadline is in (expired on 2017-11-20 08:24:07)

i think Toranaga suppose to have 2 votes on him, 5 people not voting (ChessKid is on Tora and in not voting pile)

[Ramcius]

I don't think pn is scum

strongman giver for Conspiracy isn't enough for you to lynch him?

[Ramcius]

i try paint target on my back and you refuse with PN around (and he will be around, Conspiracy never kill him, if he's town), they have no reason kill me - strongman basically makes me VT

i was thinking lately, does it looks strange to you that Leon got message to target PN N2? Eli i understand, he nailed 3 scums, CiA was vengekilled, so that's kinda reasonable too, but why Leon?

[Ramcius]

Leon cased Kise? idk

you right

we have 13 ppl, but when i try PoE lynch i can't think any suitable candidate

[Ramcius]

shameless prodge

[Ramcius]

thanks god it's over

[Ramcius]

Edie, stick to minis and you shouldn't see me ever again, i prefer not meet you in game either, and learning some manners would be helpful too for you

[Ramcius]

Ram after Fortnite I really don't feel like you have room to talk

But yeah we should be nice

i agree, i can be mean in games, if i see someone playing bad, i will push for their lynch, i will bring arguments, i will attack plays, not intelligence, which Edie did several times during game, even i told him don't do it. Also, if someone claims to be god incarnate of mafia, i expect them to show it, or they can be like Eli - just show they are good without boasting (not just here, but Fortnight too )

[Ramcius]

lolwheme I won't WOTM you next time you were better then Ram

rude

[Ramcius]

Remember that time when Ram said Eli's reads list was shit?

i remember saying list of names without explanations was shit and i would stand to my word every time, especially when it comes from scummy coasting slot