mastina is dead atm. she hasn't talked to me in ages.In post 1375, RationalNumbers wrote:Can whichever head that wrote this do so again and sign it? I want signature fodder.In post 1366, Purple Nurple wrote:in post game when rational endgames you I want a formal apology. deal?In post 1365, Ellibereth wrote:also purple when you come back please don't give me more of an aneurysm from this game rational is really fucking town.
Drixx I have some thoughts on the whole arcana thing (like why your plan might not be best plan) but I'll only talk about it if you want to talk about it.
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and if you're town and decide to take your head out of your ass and not make this one of the famous games where math tunnels town the entire game, i am willing to do ramcius probably if a key and luv lynch can't happen.In post 1451, RationalNumbers wrote:
I did engage and respond. I even quote the posts. Wtf?In post 1449, Not Chara wrote:no. i'm done being nice to you. you don't get to command me if you refuse to engage with anything i'm saying.
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@Ramicus -- You think so?
Then help us "bus" Purple and when Dave hopefully confirms us as Town then you'll hopefully repeat the same with E and then repeat the same with Not Chara then yourself.
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hmmIn post 1482, Mulch wrote:I don't think them crumbing their Arcana is towny, but them crumbing to DAVE means that they knew that Dave was Akiru, which means they are a phantom thief.
we think there's likely to be one PT traitor right? and all others are town aligned?
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this. math and luv are pushing a narrative that is basically LaL but a gladiate fake is literally disproved at the next VC. reasoning needed to be attached for it to be believable. i can believe math and drixx being town to a degree, but luv isn't here and could very well have pocketed them in their deathtunnelly rage which is why I want him roped.In post 1481, Leonshade wrote:I don't want to keep prodging and risk getting disengaged from this game, so let's look at the recent pages.
The question was fair, and I don't know why you decided to dodge it. Short of a guilty, Purple being town can't be impossible in your eyes, and considering how a scumread flipping town changes your other reads is pretty basic game solving. This response doesn't help anyone, it only serves to heighten the tension between you and Purple.In post 1416, RationalNumbers wrote:Why ask a hypothetical that is impossible?
I don't see how Eddie's 'level of investment' or decision to fake being a gladiator is scummy. Nobody buys fake day vigs anymore, so if he wanted good reactions, using a different role and putting in more effort to make the claim credible serves that purpose.In post 1432, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:The fake gladiate isn’t the only reason for my vote.
I don’t buy why you decided to fake being a gladiator Eddie. You know Math has trouble with social cues and that they got lynched long before that game was over. Way more likely they believed you and didn’t get the subtle jab at all.
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Breaking my not posting thing because,
lynching Varsoon is fucking stupid. He self resolves, and with 2 scum left that isn't an issue. The options today are Creature and No Lynch. Scum is going to kill Varsoon ASAP if he's town and Dave can cop him if they don't, fuck Dave can cop him tomorrow night if he wants to and that saves ever having to lynch him. I am not advocating for Creature or for No Lynch because it is sad those are the options I've been left with, but whatever.
For the record, Mulch is very cocky about his scum abilities. He would have demanded a or the most powerful role, regardless of who his partners were. JS.
Also, can someone check if Alisae randomizes missed actions usually? I don't remember.
legitimately done posting now, good riddance. regardless of varsoon's alignment lynching him here is an unarguable misplay with what was claimed. if you think he's scum convince dave to cop him n4, bam, saved risking lynching the town cop enabler in exchange for one single night action.-
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In post 4378, Alisae wrote:ToranagareplacesLilUziVert.Iwouldtellyeahtowelcomethembutum
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tragedy? noIn post 4522, Ellibereth wrote:would it be a tragedy if the former part didn't happen.
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scum kept forcing people to target me, which means they took mastinas posting to mean our role is harmful to those who target us. no comment on that being true or not, but something does happen and it is a not extremely but somewhat important thing to happen before mass claim. I am willing to claim my role first after thst to show im not setting something up or w.e-
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but you've both posted since then...?
in 1900 i was guiltied. here i wasn't. in 1900 i went off on everyone. here i haven't gone off on a single person, at most you could argue you. in 1900 i fought tooth and nail to not get lynched. here i have been apathetic most of the game. 1900 was not recent, and i was promised a very recent scum game.
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the purpose of a mass claim is to setup spec, both balance wise and more importantly to see if we can break (or poe as much as possible) the game action-wise with the knowledge it is very likely 2 scum are alive. not knowing all of your actions inhibits both of those, primarily the latter. being blunt =/= being a dick, but sure, have a tantrum. ftr, that last line is being a dick as opposed to being blunt i spectated that game you just finished, you didn't seem like the oversensitive type there, so what gives? anyways, thanks.In post 4727, Toranaga wrote:
I'm not getting into this but be -slightly- less of a dick thank you. I didn't know if my claim would confirm me town as it was and I'm sure it won't do anyone any better if I claim what JOAT abilities I have. but sure.In post 4722, skirt skirt wrote:yes, you out those. what do you think the purpose of mass claim is?
1 shot BG
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I agree with this to a degree. Something I wanna follow up on, someone quote this and remind me when mass claim is done plz.In post 4741, Maki and Kaito wrote:I know it sounds like I'm being hard on Toranaga but I actually think he's more likely to be town than scum.
I'm just pointing out what he *could* do and have to claim around as scum here.
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I might forget so someone else do itIn post 4756, Ellibereth wrote:yo purple i have a question that I want a speedy answer to in the sense of the time between I ask and time you answer, remind me when this is over.-
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What question?In post 4878, RationalNumbers wrote:
WHen we lynch two godfathers imho it isn't.In post 4871, Ellibereth wrote:this seems hilariously broken for town tbh
The Godfathers could have royally fucked with us.
We just done good.
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Confused. Didn't I answer everything?In post 4882, RationalNumbers wrote:
About the strongwiller.In post 4880, skirt skirt wrote:
What question?In post 4878, RationalNumbers wrote:
WHen we lynch two godfathers imho it isn't.In post 4871, Ellibereth wrote:this seems hilariously broken for town tbh
The Godfathers could have royally fucked with us.
We just done good.
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Alisae said if someone in the metaverse targets me nothing happens.In post 4905, Maki and Kaito wrote:Purple Nurple, does your reflexive action work regardless of location?-
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I wish. I've wanted to leave this game ages.In post 4904, Ellibereth wrote:are we ever gonna get any mastina-
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I'm not "worried", it doesn't matter thst much. I was pissed but what's done is done and I respect alisae enough to not make a big stink.In post 4915, RationalNumbers wrote:
Yeah I don't buy Alisae fuck up and you not being more worried about it.In post 4902, Purple Nurple wrote:
Guess you missed this.In post 4675, Purple Nurple wrote:
no offense to her, she's not in a good mindset among other things, but mastina has done close to jack shit this entire game and i don't think she intends to catch up at this point.In post 4674, RationalNumbers wrote:Since this is a super complicated setup and that feels honest and I have to go to work I will let others sort that out.
However right now I am tempted to just say we lynch you.
Ramicus unlikely Mastina and therefore a Mastina hydra would include as few lies as possible.
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pretty sure they actually do get a strongman kill and alisae made a mod error earlier????? gdi waiting on her reply but she just said i do give a strongman kill to those with a killing action who target me even though earlier specifically she said the opposite..... annoyed.
still questioning her,,,, but i do have the answers
reflexive=because its reactive as opposed to proactive (obvious one)
temporary=next night only as opposed to full game
limited=only applies to those with a killing action, not every player
modified=turns their normal kill into a strongman kill but ONLY applies to the killing action, not their other actions, whereas i guess regular strongwiller applies to things like investigatives on ascetic...?? my best interpretation, i've never seen a strongwiller before though.
whatever. we can discuss why i think alisae fucked up and she seemingly disagrees in post game. i do actually give them a strongman if they targeted me.
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Nobody claimed it so it is true in that scum forced people to target me because they thought I was dangerous, which makes sense with the way mastina clained.In post 4942, davesaz wrote:N1 target Brian, confirm Chikoritas had him in a hood later since I got a not conspiracy result.
N2 target Penguin, N3 kill Penguin.
Confirm received the invention (can't directly confirm who it came from but it hasn't been countered that I'm aware of).
Can't confirm the motivate but that seems to have been explained.
Chikoritas got fakeclaim flavor on Kise, correct flavor on Alchemist, Creature, and Yume, and chose not to target PN after being forced to.
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I don't have the time to case and 1v2 drixx and math, two strong players who are both proud of their scum games. I've told you for a while if you want me to try and lynch th3m I'm going to need you to catch up. I already know the response to this post is going to be math nitpicking points and trying to force another case after case against us like they were d1 and drixx trying to play middleman on the surface for the towncred. I am very busy irl the past while, I definitely scumread rn but before we do a lynch I want to have time tonight or tomorrow to do a big mechanics post mostly for fun.In post 5003, Purple Nurple wrote:Yo.
Loosely still following along.
I've been telling Eddie this the whole fucking time in our PT but I am still utterly convinced that RationalNumbers is scum for a whole MYRIAD of reasons. Everything from how Mathblade is pushing a scum agenda disguised as town derp (yes there's a difference between their being derptown and them being scum) to how Mathblade has been the strongest proponent of us having a negative utility role dangerous to the town if targeted.
We know that scum have been forcing town players to target us every night thusfar.
So we know that scum held the belief that we were a negative utility role dangerous to the town if targeted.
It doesn't take a genius to put two and two together.
I wish I could be fucked to put together an actual case but you're seriously going to lose the fucking game if you go "LOL BUT THEY PT MUST BE TOWN" when the mod specifically fucking told us that THE SCUM WHEN INVESTIGATED WILL RETURN FAKECLAIMS and if the scum have a PT fakeclaim then no fucking shit they're going to RETURN A PT RESULT TO THE ACTUAL PTs and that's what you're not seeing and it's so damn obvious. You've written it off as "BUT MULCH MUST BE ONLY SCUM PT BECAUSE HE WAS A SCUM PT WITH A PT FAKECLAIM" yet that doesn't stop scum from being a non-PT scum with a PT fakeclaim and you're absolute morons if you think it does.-
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my point is that smocaine wants to lynch him (well, not necessarily, but fos's) for doubting the role. my point, like with ascetic comments, is that that is not something someone realistically fake claimed so you should lynch on play if you wanna lynch chess (reasonable i guess)In post 5050, davesaz wrote:If chess is scum neighborizer it is very confirmable but not AI. That's my point here.-
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flail? what difference does that make to MY alignment?
varsoon can't "confirm" shit. if you have a pt fake claim, he would get that. i've already said this. math, seriously, this entire game you've been repeating things in replies to me i've already addressed. please fuck off? it is incredibly annoying and doesn't help your win condition-
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this is a good line for when we flip town. please don't forget it.In post 5069, RationalNumbers wrote:They are either going to reanalyze when the mod message gets sent at the end of the day see we're telling the truth and we are town or they are scum.
I don't see Mastina reading us this badly. I just don't. Mastina has never misread me in any mafia game we've been in. Not once.
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NahIn post 5216, Ellibereth wrote:i mean scum have to kill purple to get it right lol-
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No.In post 5220, Ramcius wrote:
i think they must target him with killing action, or at least that was they claimed, so healing them isn't an option, especially with how limited our healing is - i have non consec heal and there's 2 1-shot docs, Tora mentioned 1-shot bg tho. So what's your plan?In post 5216, Ellibereth wrote:i mean scum have to kill purple to get it right lol-
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Just like how earlier math tried to argue mastina was scum for the reads list with people who haven't played and I said she probably just does it from memory and I was right. Don't scumread me because I'm more intelligent than you.In post 5215, Ramcius wrote:"we know"
now you try paint it as a speculation that mastina came up with alone without your knowledge?
anyway, do you give strongman to scums or you don't? Cause at this point i really not sure what is true-
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Maybe because eli isn't ic and I still should test him even if I never intend on voting himIn post 5226, Ramcius wrote:now that i think about it, why they asked Eli, if he got modifier? Did Edie expected Eli to attack them?-
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CorrectIn post 5228, RationalNumbers wrote:
That says anyone with a killing action who targets them.In post 5225, Ramcius wrote:In post 5221, RationalNumbers wrote:
DIdnt they claim just target???In post 5220, Ramcius wrote:
i think they must target him with killing action, or at least that was they claimed, so healing them isn't an option, especially with how limited our healing is - i have non consec heal and there's 2 1-shot docs, Tora mentioned 1-shot bg tho. So what's your plan?In post 5216, Ellibereth wrote:i mean scum have to kill purple to get it right lol
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bolded and underlined, they said killing action. Can be any action, sure, it's PN claim after allIn post 4655, Purple Nurple wrote:Varsoon guessed this ages ago, but I am Munehisa Iwai. My role is a Reflexive Temporary Limited Modified Strong-Willer. I give Akira the Hanged Man Arcana.
Now the fun part. Why did Mastina think we were negative utility (hint: we aren't)? Our role does not have an active, only a passive. The translation of Alisae's lovely role name (tm) is that, including scum (figured I should ask Alisae since technically it is a factional kill and not personal but yea it affects them), is told they receive a Strongman modifier for their next kill. Mastina interpreted it to mean they will be able to strongman their next kill and we are a way for them to kill Dave, so that is why she wanted us dead d1. I don't even think strongman would kill through "deathproof", but whatever. The catch? They areanyone with a killing actiontoldthey receive a strongman modifier - they don'tactually receivea strongman modifier.
My goal of getting people to claim if they targeted me was a low-risk way of potentially getting a scum claim. Not very likely, but it was a possibility and basically the only shot our role had of being not useless. I would've done something better if I could but eh, only you targeting me is annoying. So, no, absolutely nothing happens if you're town and you target me (unless you're a vig or something else killing). Scum clearly interpreted Mastina's claim to mean we were a PGO or something of the like. Additional point: at least, what, 2-3 people have claimed to be forced to target me? Wouldn't the person forcing them also have to target me? Makes me think it is likely a factional ability because the way I worded my request I made it seem like I was self-watcher or something I think (I was going for that), to ward away fake claims.
Tor next!
Not anyone who targets them with a killing action.
Word order matters.
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Don't remember, possibly. I'm bad at finding crumbs so I could've missed it.In post 5232, Ellibereth wrote:also
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My dog could shit better arguments than you. That shit would also probably be a better player.In post 5249, Ramcius wrote:
you don't get tired from being cocky and useless?In post 5237, skirt skirt wrote:
Just like how earlier math tried to argue mastina was scum for the reads list with people who haven't played and I said she probably just does it from memory and I was right. Don't scumread me because I'm more intelligent than you.In post 5215, Ramcius wrote:"we know"
now you try paint it as a speculation that mastina came up with alone without your knowledge?
anyway, do you give strongman to scums or you don't? Cause at this point i really not sure what is true
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I want to do mechanics stuff before I post a solid pairing and don't have time rn. Some combo of the poe thoigh. I agree ram is vi.In post 5255, chesskid3 wrote:PN who is scum-
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Can you let out your questions in a less confusing format because I have a very small iq and don't understand what you're sayinvIn post 5262, Ramcius wrote:
you really wanna go this way?In post 5253, skirt skirt wrote: My dog could shit better arguments than you. That shit would also probably be a better player.
i will speak very slowly, so your 14.0 IQ brains would understand - i accused PN (Purple Nurple), i gave arguments what PN said and what was not public knowledge at the time - N2 Leon redirect on PN slot, then you rush in and say you didn't said it, i bring it up and you blame it on mastina, then you bring example of earlier incident, when mastina wasn't posting, which is opposite to this situation - mastina was posting, i found something strange in her posting, and mastina is part of PN, so my initial accusation stands true - PN posted something that they shouldn't know for a fact as they knew as a fact, they used word "we", so that's points both heads know same
So start answering questions or just gtfo of thread with your pathetic attempts to insult me, you not doing any favor for yourself-
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And there you go.In post 5279, Toranaga wrote:
nah that came before PN's postIn post 4747, Leonshade wrote:I'm Hifumi Togo, Star Arcana. Not a PT. Default location is the Real World.
I'm a 1-Shot Conditional Commuter Self-Watching Self-Voyeur. I automatically commute the first time I'm (assuming that the killing action would kill me, so if I'm docced I wouldn't commute). Regardless of location, I have a voyeur and watcher on myself on all actions targeting me in the metaverse at night. The second ability doesn't work if I'm commuting.
I can't actually move to the metaverse through my role, so the "regardless of location" in my role PM made me think that there are roles that can transport me to the metaverse.
N1, I was targeted by Creature. I was targeted by a protective action (my self-watcher and self-voyeur are technically separate actions, so if multiple people visited me, I wouldn't know who used what ability). N2, at the start of night, I got a message that I've been requested to target Purple Nurple, and that I'd be roleblocked if I didn't target him. But since I don't have an active ability, I didn't target him. N3, Alisae told me that I can make a last will.-
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Technically they exist, but I highly doubt it.In post 5296, Ellibereth wrote:okay actually this is important
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Maybe you should try voting me and being repugnant some more. It might make me humble.In post 5363, Ramcius wrote:Edie, when you show your legendary skills that you boasting all game? I'm getting really bored waiting for it-
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