Surreptitious II: Secrets and Misdirection
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In post 910, Mikan Tsumiki wrote:Desperado Lurks as scum and doesn't really do much
As Town he actually makes attempts to solve the game
I expect way more gamesolving from Desperado.
ask chess and elli what they "expect" from me
and even if your bullshit burden of proficiency were defensible (and the short answer to a very long story is it's not, except for when it is), 5 players account for nearly 66% of the posts thus far...there is nothing to solve yet. there hasn't been a real vote cast.
i'm here, i'm reading, i want to lynch in group B, and i want LUV to claim. if you're looking for anything more from me right now, it's gonna be a long journey on the way to nothing.-
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it's an open and he softed pr after minimal pressureIn post 919, WhyMafia wrote:I kind of got turned off with the gamestate earlier and tried tuning it out. Can you give your reasoning on why LUV is scum, and why you're insisting on a claim from the get-go?
really not sure how anyone could think it's a good idea to just let that go-
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In post 1216, Mikan Tsumiki wrote:PLAY THE GAME
In post 1171, Mikan Tsumiki wrote:1059 - tbh I'm starting to think who votes for what group is NAI.
Like
you pick a group
and you vote it.
it's that simple.
keep in mind that mikan has been hawking me from the word go because i haven't been "gamesolving"
then they say that literally everything that happened in the first 50 pages was NAI
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yo whatever baselines you're using are what's actually trash hereIn post 1217, Mikan Tsumiki wrote:LUV the person who does nothing D1 as town is not scum here.
He quite frankly does not do nothing on D1 as scum and would be somewhat townread.
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i want luv to claimIn post 1238, Mikan Tsumiki wrote:Like
would you like to educate the class on why LUV is scum?
Or are you going to keep at it with the obvscumming.
the only way that's going to happen now is by voting him
so...i'm voting him-
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he soft claimed pr in an open
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and rauth?In post 1337, momo wrote:I think my Snarky read has been greatly expressed. For me, the Thor B C wagon switch really did it especially considering that the original wagon was on his own group. As for LUV...he was too casual when under pressure...seemed to be relying on that attitude too much. CMM is not as strong but it was the vibes.-
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In post 624, momo wrote:Considering bring group C to L-2...what do y'all think. Checker, Desperado, and Alisae are all in that group. Good feeling that 2 of them are scum...The narrowed down situation while still keep a few options seems good to be. Yet is this too hasty. Should I do it? What do y'all think?
also not getting these posts considering you've got a similar set of reads in your own groupIn post 626, momo wrote:
Still with the whole LUV mess and the talk of PRs in Group B, I don't want to have the vote lead to a PR being discovered....That's why I think I should vote C instead of B (on top of my reads)In post 625, RachMarie wrote:ok remember in this setup there are exactly the same number of scum in EACH group, at least for today.
It is an open setup. Scum want to know who the town PRs are so they can get rid of them.
This means that each group has scum it in and no more than 2 of them at that.
Please when you are giving reads keeps these thoughts in mind.
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In post 1511, InactionDan wrote:I DO AS THE CHECKERSMAN7 COMMANDS
VOTE: MA..Ji..
Wait, no. Not that one. Why Checkersman7. Whyyyyy? Such a cruel overlord.
VOTE: Lil Uzi Vert
Spoiler: contains sweetsIn post 1512, checkersman7 wrote:I TOO AM BUT A SHEPHERD
I DIRECT THE ANGER OF A WRATHFUL SPIRIT
THE LAST REMNANTS OF A VENGEFUL HORDE
ELLIBERETH, HORSEPERSON OF THE APOCALYPSE
DIRECT THY FURY ONTO MAJIFFY
don't think we're going to get a better series of post all game lolIn post 1513, Elliberetta wrote:I'm in peaceful protest against vote tags until I solve the game.-
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i think activity has been just fine??In post 1521, Creature wrote:Lesson we learned: Never make a prodless game.-
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who is making excuses for CMM?In post 1565, WhyMafia wrote:I agree with Transcend on Momo. How long are people gonna make excuses for CMM?-
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In post 1686, Assemblerotws wrote:This is currently the leading wagon, so let's see where it leads.
VOTE: ConManMickIn post 1687, Ellibereth wrote:It is now a race to post the most appropriate reaction GIF to the above post.
Ready
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In post 2230, checkersman7 wrote:why? he lurks and sucks as both alignments
like he's he's on my scumlist but its certainly less of a guarantee.
i really don't understand why you feel the need to make comments like this-
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we're never going to get anywhere if the gap between the people who are posting at normal forum mafia rates and the people who are treating this like a chat room doesn't start to go away soon...including mikan, 8 players account for over 75% of the game right now. there's no flow to the discussion, it's just the same people measuring their dicks over and over and over again-
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?In post 2279, Ramcius wrote:we can lynch Desperado, so he don't have to read this thread
i've read the thread
did you just misunderstand what i said or...?-
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oh, you guys are ~contributing~ by producing pages and pages of meaningless, one line back and forths that go nowhere. like that one you had with thor, what an amazing contribution to which i can only hope to aspireIn post 2289, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:Yeah that comment from so out of place and it just looks like an attempt to look annoyed in order to not contribute.
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creatureIn post 2296, Transcend wrote:What are your a/c reads?
elli
dan
eddie
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whymafia
assemble
bulb
checkers
rach
transcend
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ginngie
vonflare
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you can only lead the horse to the waterIn post 2334, Ramcius wrote:how about making some efforts to find scums?-
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i'm voting for where i want to lynchIn post 2352, Ginngie wrote:you dont think of trying to fix it or putting in any work in.
that's what i'm willing to do-
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right, i'm supposed to somehow fix everyone's posting habits???In post 2353, Ginngie wrote:There is no way you can spin "discredit anyone calling me scum and I'm not going to do anything about the shitty gamestate" as a pro-town behavior.
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it's really not and i wouldn't consistently live deep into games if it wereIn post 2364, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:It’s so Night and day his scum and town game lol-
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this continues to be the absolute fucking worstIn post 2695, Toto wrote:Like here he has spent half the game arguing whether people can meta read him or not,instead of solving the game.
LOOK AROUND-
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i've already provided thisIn post 2763, Toto wrote:I would at least want to know top 2 scum and town reads in your grp-
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when you recall which ones specifically are "weird" you let me knowIn post 2762, Elliberetta wrote:just do the top and bottom of each group because some of those are weird iirc?-
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bulb - strong townreads elsewhere in the group and past experience
eddie - he's straddling the line, not much to explain
you and chesskid - no idea what your scumgames look like but you both feel right. unfortunately there's no hito or kagami here to help bridge the gap between you guys and the rest of us-
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there's nothing i can do about other people's activity, and if it keeps happening and it keeps hindering my (and, presumably, other's) ability to form reads then i'm going to keep complaining about itIn post 2803, Bulbazak wrote:Desp would actually be trying to parse some of this stuff if town. Especially the further in we got. But Desp is just lurking in the shadows and pops out to complain about the game every now and then.
seriously, look at the pages that were produced overnight and tell me how much of that back and forth between checkers and ginngie did to further the game. it was all noise.
as for you being scum, its a very specific tell that hasn't failed yet and i don't think you're aware of it. tbd and kilos never got a point where it could be applied. you're scum and that's that.-
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there's also an alarming amount of players who have misunderstood the rules of this game and then used that misunderstanding to inform their readsIn post 3197, Transcend wrote:There is an alarming amount of resistance to desperado ...
traditional VCA is useless when scum aren't actually informed
@ elli, it's actually not really, pretty sure i was wrong. bulb's probably town-
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i don't think it'd be optimal for groupscum to protect anyone they thought was scummy when the possible benefit of a mislynch far outweighs the potential lossIn post 3213, Transcend wrote:Scum scum hunt this game
If they think you're their buddy, they won't lynch you.-
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when bulb is scum, he has a mechanical tic, especially in active games, where he is perennially "catching up" and he ends many posts with "on to page_____"
as town, he either doesn't use this at all, or if he does, it's sparingly and not as rote
in my head he'd been using it a lot more in this game but he's actually only said it once and it's the kind of whimsical version that comes from town him who legitimately just got backed up. as scum i suspect he's actually keeping up with the thread at all times but uses the catch up style posting to further his agenda-
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he mentioned maniacal mafia already and i havent gone back and checked but i'm pretty sure i caught him using the tell but in a different way that focused on the scum motivation aspect of the posting style and not necessarily the tic, but when you look at his games it's held for quite a while.In post 3227, Elliberetta wrote:like if it is real i'm actually super shocked you're just giving it up I refuse to explain the vast majority of mine lol
i didn't see the part where bulba seemed aware so i'll check that tmrw too tho-
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