Surreptitious II: Secrets and Misdirection

[checkersman7]

I don't need to excuse that lynch at all

[checkersman7]

Using that as an excuse for lynching CMM this game is pretty weak though. He didn't suck as town here, he wasn't here at all

Also he was everywhere BUT here so yeah that's called sucking as town

[checkersman7]

Elli was nommed for paragon over me because I rolled scum in Alisae lmfao

but I'll take your giant rant as agreement with my read

[checkersman7]

he got nommed for 2 games. One of which WE lead town and the other I rolled scum so

[checkersman7]

what are ur C reads bulb

[checkersman7]

Alisae was 100% town before replacing so remove ramcius read

[checkersman7]

bulb I only do :bad/garbagelogic: as scum so not appreciated

[checkersman7]

@Chess: Are you saying that you'd shoot yourself in the foot as scum, even if you didn't have to, just so you didn't feel unclean?

no I'm saying if u see me pushing stuff that doesn't really make sense I'm probably trolling scum

[checkersman7]

I too am a huge fan of evolution

[checkersman7]

chess is a sport

[checkersman7]

moving goalpost

[checkersman7]

hey ginngie how's your day

[checkersman7]

So this is why they say you should never meet your heroes

Man I said this about Thor but goddamn it applies to Majiffy too

this is the stuff of MS legend? This steaming pile of dumb or scum?

[checkersman7]

does anyone else hear a sort of soft buzzing sound?

[checkersman7]

wait I have a thought

[checkersman7]

i could be freed from this game!

[checkersman7]

!

[checkersman7]

VOTE: Group C

V/LA until the 5th

[checkersman7]

Wow, really?

yep that's right

I mean really who are you gonna NK in my group Majiffy lmfao

Auf Wiedersehen!

[checkersman7]

Ginngie.

im ok with this actually

[checkersman7]

I mean seeing how I explained IN THREAD how another mislynch in B can lose us the game even with perfect lynches from then on I'm pretty sure I automatically win any 'accuracy fight' you want to have thor "I'm an extremist" mcthorson

[checkersman7]

I'm really bad at this V/LA thing

[checkersman7]

majiffy I'll give you money irl if u get either me or ram lynched today

[checkersman7]

MUCH GOLD

[checkersman7]

Congratulations the level of stupid in the last 2 pages has summoned me from my TOTALLY SERIOUS V/LA.

Spoiler: Mikan/Ramci Scumcase

Here's our first interaction. Which... they ignored.

This catchup is terrible

Go on

So I repeated myself.

This catchup is terrible

Go on

And they reply with a smokescreen non-answer.

This catchup is terrible

Go on

You do nothing that is anything remotely town in it. You just say a lot of stuff that's already been said, you're not adding anything new. it just reads scum to me alright? I'm sorry, run over me with your rocket league cars!

Then there's me calling out their reads - and lack of any explanations for any of them in their ISO

[reads list]

Seeing an awful lot of scum reads and an awful little reasoning in your post history.

Which... they ignored. Sensing a pattern? I am.

Oh yeah other fun fact about that post; they openly suggest to another player that they

contribute less

. While

simultaneously complaining that their contributions weren't enough

. You can't scream cogdis any louder.

Then Mikan goes from scumreading me to "trusting Rach Majiffy can be town" to "tring Majiffy" to "Majiffy is just really, really bad town" which is a read that progressed congruently with interest in my lynch.

And let me tell you all the times I've seen "this person scumreading me is just really bad town" from scumbos. Hint: it's a lot.

-~replacement~-

we can lynch Desperado, so he don't have to read this thread

?

i've read the thread

did you just misunderstand what i said or...?

how about making some efforts to find scums?

This is cute because Ramci has done nothing but argue theory and place empty votes since his replace-in.

In fact, I think as of this post, they haven't pushed a single read for town or scum.

i kindly ask you do not judge my slot by Ali action as i can't defend against what he did/said or whatever else you find AI, thx for understanding

And this is garbage but it's probably NAI garbage.

Previous slot owners are 100% game because

alignments don't change with replacements.

Then there's this series of events

Hey Ramcius, I haven't seen you doing much lately.

It's cuz he's scum

Gut says Desp town, probably go for Von tbh

Majiffy, i almost have more posts than you and i replaced in, so if that's your only "scumtell" on me, i pitty you, really

Which is great on just so many levels. His response to "You aren't doing much" - clearly an aim at content, not posts - is to strike at the second person calling him out by comparing how much they can hit the submit button?

So then I call him out for it. And he asks me for a case

Do you townread Desp?

Weakly. I could make a towncase when I get home if you want.

Gut says Desp town, probably go for Von tbh

Majiffy, i almost have more posts than you and i replaced in, so if that's your only "scumtell" on me, i pitty you, really

Quality over quantity, mate.

And that's not the only reason I'm scumreading you. Or the previous occupant of your slot. Not by a long shot.

If you have something against me, you should say it, cause i'm not getting lynched. Show your "quality"

What is it with all you terrible players insisting you can't be lynched?

reading isn't your thing, eh? I said i'm not getting lynched, i didn't said i can't be lynched, i will explain difference to you - it's possible to lynch me, but there quite few people who think i'm scum and quite a lot, who think someone else is scum in my group, so by simple logic we can deduce that it's more likely someone else will be lynched. Hope that's clear enough for you

And this word salad

Which brings us to

i still waiting your "quality" post about why i'm scum btw

Less than an hour

after asking me for a case he's showboating.

Self-conscious as fuck scumbo.

There you go Ramci.

Clicked the spoiler, saw the first part was complaining about Mikan calling your catchup post shit.

Ojbection overruled - your catchup post was SHIT.

Majiffy, I have a suggestion. If you're actually town go do a few jumping jacks/barrel rolls whatever, come into thread and reskim because you're so far off base with basically everything. Thanks

Checkers was the one that jumped on your wagon as soon as I stated a Momo scumread. Eddie and Rach had just given their support as well, and I remember there were other Momo scumreads earlier in the day. So Momo starts to get some momentum, Checks votes your wagon, which had maybe 2 at most and was essentially an eyeroll vanity wagon beforehand, and all of a sudden there are counterwagons. Beforehand he was on LUV, who he was angry with but agreed was town, so that was not even a serious wagon for him, yet he sat on it for an uncomfortable amount of time. I made a note of the behavior and vote switch, and I thought that if Momo flipped goon, Checks was likely his partner.

Bulbs, you've lost your townread. Earn it back by answering the following line of questioning properly:
Earlier, you mentioned that Elli was a bigger loss than me because he's more logical/better at catching scums and there's "too many cats for me to herd" something like that idc about the exact quote

Now you are posting these theories.

Are you trying to actively undermine my ability to herd cats, share a paranoia theory, or unspecific third option? Choose carefully, since Toto is starting to look more town and there's an opening for a scumread in A!

VOTE: Checkersman7

sup babycakes.


Also in other news we're wagoning Ginngie not Desperado thanks

[checkersman7]

Well I sure as hell am not
neither is Rach
neither is Ramcius

vonflare is a bad lynch
Desperado I'm less interested in right now


I'll let you attempt to sell me on Transcend scum if you want but I'm not presently too interested

which leaves us with Ginngie

[checkersman7]

also a bad vote

[checkersman7]

Why do you feel you've been obviously town Toto?

[checkersman7]

Also a lot of people ITT can't read we are wagoning Ginngie not Ramcius or Desperado

[checkersman7]

you might be, but "We" aren't

[checkersman7]

EddieFenix, Assemblerotws, Bulbazak, Toto, Elliberetta, InactionDan, Creature, Majiffy, SnarkySnowman, Thor665, momo, Lil Uzi Vert

Elli
Dan
momo
LUV
Creature

Toto/Bulbs/Smocaine

Leggo peeps sheep 2 win

[checkersman7]

Do you like magic tricks Ginngie

[checkersman7]

ramcius no its been nice being the same alignment

[checkersman7]

Creature welcome to the thread vote Ginngie thanks

[checkersman7]

I don't really care what he thinks

[checkersman7]

I want his vote on you yes but what he feels about that idgaf

[checkersman7]

I should start Elli policy of not engaging scumreads

[checkersman7]

always online for a comment or to respond but never an original post

#NotMyGinngie

[checkersman7]

hows sitting there refreshing thread instead of writing your papers going

let us spare you from the distraction with this noose

[checkersman7]

missing a VOTE: and corresponding end tag Dan

[checkersman7]

Now open wide and say

BAAAAAAA

[checkersman7]

I'm open to hearing arguments on Transcend as I said to Eddie

[checkersman7]

SMOCAINE HI HELLO WELCOME VOTE GINNGIE THANKS

[checkersman7]

slimy votes still count just the same as normal ones

[checkersman7]

always online for a comment or to respond but never an original post

expand on this

this isn't memey AND helpful Ginngie and your only pushe s have been on town

[checkersman7]

no you can't because he's not dumb or scum

[checkersman7]

who have u pushed brobeans

[checkersman7]

I could give a fuck about the 2 flips I'm talking about how you're pushing currently alive town.

[checkersman7]

try again smocaine lmao

[checkersman7]

or rather when you were bothering to push theyr e all town slots

[checkersman7]

ok

[checkersman7]

My reads dont have to be 100% for your pushes to be shit but the stretch is interesting.

Normal idiots wait for flips to go o u mean they were town?!?

I'm actually good at this game

but hey if we are quoting let Me go find one

[checkersman7]

first they laugh, then they get scared, then they die

[checkersman7]

your pushes are shit and on town and you're scum

C all of the above

[checkersman7]

SMOCAINE FIX UR VOTE TAGS

petit yeah it's about u

[checkersman7]

cases are shit this is well known

except my pushes aren't soooo

[checkersman7]

are u trying to have a playstyle discussion?

we can have it in the dead thread

[checkersman7]

yep the ones that the non scum intelligent largely people share while you're pushing smart consensus townreads yep those are the ones

[checkersman7]

o are u mad my too advanced for you scumhunting has caught u

[checkersman7]

no you'll notice I qualify smart and nonscum because while creature is clearly town I don't give a rats ass about his reads

So if you're pushing people that Elli and I both have as town for example, its automatically a shit push

why am I even bothering to explain this when you're deliberately being obtuse

[checkersman7]

InactionDan + EddieFenix
Majiffy + Thor665
Desperado + unsure now

they're not awful this game but like i dont care about them when forming mine

like the most helpful things bad players can do is
1) be obvtown
2 ) sheep

[checkersman7]

So if you're pushing people that Elli and I both have as town for example, its automatically a shit push

This is arrogant and assumes you're always 100% right.

it is arrogant, it doesn't assume I'm 100% right

[checkersman7]

we have to both be wrong Kappa

[checkersman7]

you're playing mafia I'm playing dImensional checkers

[checkersman7]

I've been quite logical

[checkersman7]

is that really fucking you up Ginngie or do you just want it to be?

that is in fact not what I said at all

[checkersman7]

For example creature and I disagree
Ramcius and I disagree
Dan and I disagree
Rach and I disagree

I will die on a hill for any of these players because they are TOWN

[checkersman7]

Elli too obvs but we don't disagree on much this game that I can tell

[checkersman7]

pretty sure you've been doing more of that I'm just being cocky

[checkersman7]

you're telling me I'm scum

because

1. My pushes are shit
2. They are on players YOU think are town


That's it.

this is a rather simplistic summary but the workings of Ginngie scum are in there yeah

[checkersman7]

I'm on my phone dude chill I'll quote some bad posts later

[checkersman7]

you're playing mafia I'm playing dImensional checkers

dammit this was supposed to be 7 dimensional checkers

[checkersman7]

Alisae push LUV push and I feel somewhat Toto push as well tbh

[checkersman7]

we're also never lynching Ramcius so

[checkersman7]

@Checkers I dont remember Alisae

but I'm pretty sure you pushed both of the other two with me

I did yes that's correct

[checkersman7]

is that a problem?

[checkersman7]

is there a way to just modkill all of group B and we can just play this game with A and C

[checkersman7]

And yes, I think you're scum because of that, because I don't think a town player makes that sort of argument. And if they do, then they need to be lynched post haste.

In this game

youre scumreading TOTO for stupidity

come again for Checkersman7???

[checkersman7]

Bulb, what?

There is infinitely more thought in Toto's posts than half the playerlist and this isn't a newbie game playerlist it's just bad players

[checkersman7]

@Checkers: Are you saying that after more than 5 games, Toto is still incapable of believing that people can scumhunt differently than him?

I'm with Toto on your disagreement. Your VCA is shit and you aren't scumhunting rn

[checkersman7]

but more importantly you suggesting that you can shrug off Toto's death after because 'no town should think like that'

in a game that had

Assemble
CMM
Fucking LUV
SnarkSnowman
Vonflare

r u srs?

[checkersman7]

Locktown never Lynching:
Elliberetta
InactionDan
Creature

Lockscum
EddieFenix

Probtown
Smocaine

OneScumOneTown
Bulbazak
Toto


Does that answer your question?

me

[checkersman7]

who is scum in A then

and if you say any of Creature/Dan/Ellibereta I'm not even listening

[checkersman7]

right so you flipped my town to scum list upside down after removing yourself and made it a scum to town list got it very original

[checkersman7]

3030 is an Elli post

[checkersman7]

good correction fam

[checkersman7]

Yeah I don't really care what you read of me is

Only matters what my read of you is

[checkersman7]

And I feel you've been slinging crap since C was selected.

Am I? My reads are largely the same

[checkersman7]

But that was Alisae Smocaine

[checkersman7]

dude work time is over its the weekend party hearty have a guiness

[checkersman7]

Checkers

lmao

[checkersman7]

you're a townread for me (and likely the same reason for Alisae) because of the earnest drivel you posted in the 40-80 page range I can't recall where.

You can be bad and obvtown

now get your vote off Ramcius slot

[checkersman7]

so did you read any of the last 10 pages

[checkersman7]

I too am interested in hearing Desperado's meta tell on Bulbazak

[checkersman7]

even though meta is trash

[checkersman7]

Can you explain how your fighting with Alisae led to a scumread of her

[checkersman7]

cuz yeah 'we have the same reads' and all but you popped an obvtown in to make the PoE work in group C and I've since moved the ppl we were pushing to town


pedit: No they are not, because doing the same thing doesn't make us the same alignment and you know that.

I have pushed like half the playerlist at this point. You have joined in on a few only.

[checkersman7]

2520 reads like a towncase of her

she can't fight with me

but she did anyway


yeah that sounds like scumisae *rolls eyes*

[checkersman7]

Alisae was obvtown dude. I'm not saying LUV and Toto are obvtown but I'm leaning town on both, though I'm going to punch Elli postgame if LUV is the traitor etc etc.

[checkersman7]

the others

[checkersman7]

Someone intelligent bounce this off me.

if we are running some fool up and they claim PR is it optimal to have a CC period and leave both alive yes/no

Okay
I'm going to go OOC to explain this becuase I spent some time thinking about what would happen if we massclaimed.
The answer would be Traitor would just claim VT here no matter what and would just rely on other methods to signal to their scumteam.
Claiming PR is a bit too risky I think.

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Let me preface that the following joke was much funnier before I realized nested spoilers don't work on this site and I'm a little upset about that.

Spoiler: A ketchup post

Spoiler: Sorry I meant catch-up

Hello this is your fearless leader CHECKERSMAN7 here to give you the THREE SIMPLE STEPS to winning this game.

1. SHAMELESSLY AND BOLDLY SHEEP CHECKERSMAN7
...
4(Bonus). UTTERLY HUMILIATE THOR AND MAJIFFY SUPPORTERS AROUND THE WORLD

Gonna need you to go ahead and just check that Flowchart I have handily linked in my siggy there because your steps appear to be in direct conflict with the proper order of operations.

A TOWNBLOC OF 11, with a MAXIMUM OF THREE IN THE SMALLEST GROUP, CAN DECIDE THE DAY ONE SCUMFUCK

This is actually a good idea so I'm gonna claim it as my idea and we can proceed.

o7

the fuck is this nonsense

Looks like me looking for who the fuck asked you tbh

Sucks i have to forfeit my vote to get the anime account or chess lynched but \_O_/

I don't want to cusse you emotional conflict! I'm sorry! I'm sorry! Please break my arms!

Boy this account went from desudesukawaii-masochism to wtfasaur at breakneck speeds

Vote: Group B

Both Majiffy and I are inside of it - this sounds like money to me.

But I

like

voting

I'm not sure why you think that's a good idea. That would mean that one of you or Majiffy would likely be the NK, since scum would be forced to kill in that group.

Oh shit now I see what he's doing. Thanks Zak.

VOTE: Group B

Hey bulb how come you are sure that both Thor and Jiffy are town?

I'm not, but it's extremely likely that at least one is. If either or both are town, it'd be nice to have them around for as long as possible, so I'm not really wild about the idea of giving scum the guaranteed ability to kill some of the best players in the game right off the bat.

I legit haven't played a single game of mafia in like 2 years I don't know why you think I'm worth a damn beyond shouting loudly and demeaning people merely on the basis that they disagree with me.

Not that I was any better before my very long hiatus.

actually I am in agreement that I would like to see thor and jiffy stick around a while, if they are town.

I wouldn't. This shit is eating into my Rocket League time.

Ain't gon be no scum in my house VOTE: Group B

lul the interactive based reads on page 5. This will be entertaining.

IME early interactive reads trend more accurate and towns actually get worse as they start second-guessing themselves.

Oh how I've missed this phrase. The cornerstone of every wagon I try to start.

ugh ok fuck the syntax for a bit reading up and just waking up

pedit: omfg

You have shattered my worldview by posting OOC

Gimmick accounts need to be banned rofl

>Half the playerlist

Unnecessary text-based stuttering

You gotta self-narrate as a high-pitched stereotypical anime voice it makes it much funnier.

@Mod I am uncertain which mafia members know the identities of which other mafia members. Could you please clarify post-haste?

@mod In addition it appears from the role pm's that were provided that Secret Agents do not have a private topic to speak in, is this correct? And in addition, if the answer to the first question results in the goons not knowing the secret agents identities, what would occur if a Goon were to night kill a Secret Agent?

They would die like a normal traitor does

Have you people never played with traitors before?

This game really shouldn’t be off to such a boring start

DW Thor and I will get into a hefty multi-paragraph multi-quoted argument around page 25 or so

And that'll probably carry us through Day 2 or 3 before one or both of us is dead.

That’s also my entrance for every game so good luck pushing that it’s AI

Okay this can get lynched today

traitor is


a traitor

not hard to understand

I think the Uzz is town

fite me

@Mod I am uncertain which mafia members know the identities of which other mafia members. Could you please clarify post-haste?

Goons only know who each other are. Traitors do not know who the Traitors are and do not know who the Goons are.

what happens if goon kills traitor

The Goons can kill the Traitor just as the Goons can kill Town as long as the goon doing the kill isn't RBed or the Traitor that is targeted isn't RoleStopped.

Oh look it's like every other mafia game with traitors ever

Someone intelligent bounce this off me.

if we are running some fool up and they claim PR is it optimal to have a CC period and leave both alive yes/no

Always CC if you're town unless the run-up is result of an investigative report. In which case, soft your reports before day ends and hunt for partners.

And because it's buried in the spoiler
VOTE: Group B

This catchup is terrible and no one should be TRing this I'm sorry but its true! Please burn me if you think otherwise.

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The question really should be "Does

LUV

makes this post as town or as scum?". This isn't a generic town/scum argument, this is a LUV argument, which is why I think this "he softed" argument is dumb and likely a distraction.

I-I think I'm starting to coming around to LUV's cockiness coming from town tbh.

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P-edit: I'm saying that I think LUV is probably the type of player to do this sort of thing without thinking. I've seen it before, and he kinda fits what I'd expect to see. I don't think it's folding, but probably not thinking. If you have experience otherwise, go ahead and give it, but this is looking like a kneejerk lynch to me.

Chairthrow.gif

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And regardless of LUV's role, whether town PR, stupid VT, or scum (goon or traitor, doesn't matter), there's no way that a town PR in that group CCs him during DAY PHASE FREAKING ONE! That would essentially be signing their own death warrant, which would not be worth it at this point. They'd be more likely to just try to steer the lynch LUV's way anyway, because there's more than enough players who'd be willing to lynch him. The very thought is scum-sided, and not town-sided.

Chairthrow.gif

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VOTE: Group C

Feeling that or my own group for right now.

I don't really like snarky's play this game. This is his second [out of 2] posts and the only one with any real game furthering content. He starts of not placing any votes because the wagon is on his own group

and then as soon as the momentum begins to turn against C [Away from B] he pops on and hops on the wagon. No explanation, nothing. While I hate to vote my own group, I do think it is necessary at this point if there is any hope of a Snarky Lynch.

VOTE: Group B

What do y'all think?

p.s. Good to be playing mafia again...I missed this game

Ok cool thanks.

@LUV: Please hardclaim in your next post thank you

No.

Anyone who asks for a claim, or claims will get my undying condemnation. If you cannot convince us you are town by your play, you deserve it.

VOTE: Group C

I understand the reasoning behind no claims provided (it is actually fairly good) but I do feel like this post seems a bit harsh. If Rauth was scum, this right here would be a good excuse to jump on a wagon away from his group

. This is definitely something to consider if we get to a B lynch as well as the stuff on snarky I said above.

That being said, Rauth has been contributing and trying to further discussion. Anyone who has played with him before...can you tell me about his meta? Does he normally make tunnel threats as town?

I-I'm sorry but please kill this!

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Babies, for those who look to have them, wear you down and out, just like trying to keep up to simply slam down initial thoughts, omg. Just as an FYI. Initial thoughts:

Checkers/Chess, doing what I expected for the game, attempting to be the loudest one in the room and run the town/call the shots.
Ginngie, shit and caps posting as usual.
Bulb, It's day 1, I'll see what happens with you as the day(s) go on
Thor, being a god of thunder.
Rauth, we'll get to you in the question round/segment of things....
LUV, mehillgettoyouatsomepoint
Anime Apologist Account, dear me this is gonna be a long game....
The rest.... Dear thunder god the damn posts keep piling up.....

Questions:

Rauth, open set up yo, what -townie/scum PR- in their right mind is going to go "I'm the PR of group Z?!"
Checkers, why B, bb? I'm understanding the surface level, on a baby mind you, but I'd like a deeper explanation
LUV, if you want Checkers/Chess gone so badly, why is your vote not on group C? Also, within your group, who do you think is scum?
Bulb, reads so far?
Ginngie, reads?
Thor-Jiffy, who in your group do you think is scum?
Momo, why Snarky?!

Checking out for the night. I know when I come back tomorrow, it's gonna be another slog to bloody read.

mumbles and curses about everything

This screams extremely faked to me okay I'm sorry please run me over if you disagree!

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Momo, why Snarky?!

VOTE: Group C

Feeling that or my own group for right now.

I don't really like snarky's play this game. This is his second [out of 2] posts and the only one with any real game furthering content. He starts of not placing any votes because the wagon is on his own group

and then as soon as the momentum begins to turn against C [Away from B] he pops on and hops on the wagon. No explanation, nothing. While I hate to vote my own group, I do think it is necessary at this point if there is any hope of a Snarky Lynch.

VOTE: Group B

What do y'all think?

p.s. Good to be playing mafia again...I missed this game

I think this post covers that. Adding on, Snarky gives 0 specifics. On top of this, he mentions his own group [to avoid suspicion] but is not ready to act upon it at all. Even if he does not want the hammer in his own group [for whatever reason including that he is scum trying to avoid a lynch] he should at least give some reads. It just reads very scum to me.

Just found out ginngie is gin.

From what I remember, Gin does not play like this.

Does the alt account always act like this?

I honestly don't know.

If they do , it's a TR. If not....

Edit: Checker stop...this is looking like scum diversionary tactics from my point of view

Either way, gn everyone, seeya tomorrow

Again, please murder this.

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Be aware that there is a somewhat loose rule against posting too much and too little. We don't want to have to take it any further because we want people to be able to gauge for themselves if they are posting too much or too little, but if it gets out of hand, we are prepared for that.

The mods are mafia!

lolmods
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Mikan do we HAVE to do the gimmick? It is getting old rather fast...

I'm breaking character in and out sometimes I think its managable and if you don't like it well, you can pl me, but I'm better alive then dead

Let's say this is a group

Billy
Bob
LolBulba - Lol Traitor
Dab - Goon
Joe
Phill
Mother Russia - Town PR

Let's say lolbulba gets wagoned and claims, Mother Russia CCs
If we were to leave the CC alive and wagon Joe, then Joe flips town.
Lolbulba blocks Mother Russia, Scum shoot Phill

We are left with
Billy
Bob
LolBulba
Dab
Mother Russia

Now if for some reason we decided to stay in this group, and we lynched Mother Russia because lol
Then Billy gets shot
and now we're in a bad position where there's 2 scum left in one group and 1 town remaining in that group.
glgl

pedit: The massclaim is a redhairing dude
forget about the fucking massclaim

Oh yeah and if D2 we lynched Billy/Bob because lolmafiascum then it gets even worse and the goon is free to out itself and lolcat
Doesn't matter, can't lynch it without lynching before lynching another scumfuck

pedit: Hey Chess, its mafiascum
town does some pretty stupid shit imo

Either way yes, we do not lynch in the same group twice
we are on the same page good job A+

VOTE: Group C

Feeling that or my own group for right now.

Omae o wa shinderu

These are Snarky's two posts.
Who btw
Lurks a lot of the time early game.

So how the fuck do you get this quote pryamid

Momo, why Snarky?!

VOTE: Group C

Feeling that or my own group for right now.

I don't really like snarky's play this game. This is his second [out of 2] posts and the only one with any real game furthering content. He starts of not placing any votes because the wagon is on his own group

and then as soon as the momentum begins to turn against C [Away from B] he pops on and hops on the wagon. No explanation, nothing. While I hate to vote my own group, I do think it is necessary at this point if there is any hope of a Snarky Lynch.

VOTE: Group B

What do y'all think?

p.s. Good to be playing mafia again...I missed this game

I think this post covers that. Adding on, Snarky gives 0 specifics. On top of this, he mentions his own group [to avoid suspicion] but is not ready to act upon it at all. Even if he does not want the hammer in his own group [for whatever reason including that he is scum trying to avoid a lynch] he should at least give some reads. It just reads very scum to me.

I would however consider SRing her is Snarky flips scum.

And coming up with a read in 2 posts. I based my read on a LACK of content and the timing of the posts while considering how few posts there were. I know what I am doing. I am pretty lynchbait but if you give me a chance I can hunt scum well.

Also
am I lynching you based off a "grudge" or am I scum?
I can't be doing both
pick one.

Also I am kinda of like
obvious town?
Just saying.

Sure you can, guys.

For example, I am obvious town because with THIS playerlist, I would not devote nearly 200 pages to attempting to correct stupidity as scum. I would meme and I would be active, but I wouldn't get in everyone's faces and have like 5 people scumreading me for trying to teach them how stupid they are. That's my 'why I'm obvtown'

So, ANIME ALT WHO MIGHT OR MIGHT NOT BE ALISAE WE DONT KNOW, why don't you tell the class why you're obvtown?

Because I'm not trying to deathtunnel obvtown!LUV and I'm overthrowing your dictatorship ass

once again you're going to have to walk me through this, because in LUV's own words, nothing he's done in AI, so how could he be obvtown?

Well that's because LUV's
hint
Bad
at
mafia
and
doesn't
know
how
to
deal
with
pressure

LUV's approach to this game feels like a natural one, LUV's confidence in his towniness I believe comes from his townplay.
If he was scum tbh I would expect him to have a way different approach to this game.

Group A
EddieFenix - Scum
Assemblerotws - This can die (their first post reads gut town)
Bulbazak - Lolbulba
WhyMafia - Town I guess
Elliberetta - Policy Null
InactionDan - Haven't read a single post (Don't think they did AI things yet)
Creature - Will obvtown or scum when they start posting

Group B
Majiffy - Scum
Rautherdir - Obvious Town
SnarkySnowman - Could be scum but not with Momo
Thor665 - Haven't read a single post (Townlean)
momo - Could be scum but not with Snarky
Lil Uzi Vert - Obvious Town
ConManMick - Don't remember (Townlean but I need to see them do solvy stuff)

Group C
vonflare - Don't remember, tho I think their towngame would have more flare as opposed to what's being presented here?
Desperado - Lockscum, guy can solve games instead he's lurking for days. This is our D1 lynch.
RachMarie - Town
checkersman7 - Could easily be scum but I could just be paranoid.
Transcend - Need flips before getting a read here
Ginngie - Haven't read a single post (Scum)

I'm catching some zs bye

(Revisions in these going to get sleep now)

I could keep going but i'm going to stop she's obvtown

[checkersman7]

I don't think Desperado's scumrange includes "I have a meta tell on Bulbazak that has never failed me"

[checkersman7]

Also it feels genuine *shrug*

[checkersman7]

I'll have more to say about a few things once/if something happens that I can't talk about because lolrules

[checkersman7]

But you see my conundrum and why I'm interested in being sold on Transcend scum while voting you with all of this going on right?

Because the math just doesn't work

[checkersman7]

well 'voting' you because I just have to beg people instead of dropping that phat size 200 vote

[checkersman7]

There's only 7 names in the hat

even if put vonflare as lockscum because it makes things easier there's still one more

[checkersman7]

what fools we were eh Ginngie

I do think group A is easy easy easy but now we won't have any tracker/watcher combos left by the time we go A soo rip the voices of reason in this thread eh

[checkersman7]

HE IS 100% TOWN HERE
100%

He would not care as much about this game as he does as scum.
He would not be posting at the absurd ratio he is in this game as scum.

He's actually similar to me in one huge regard: he's only super hard to read as scum when he cares deeply about winning a scum game.

And I can 100% garuantee you he would not give a flying fuck about winning this if he rolled scum so.

what do you make of this Ginngie

[checkersman7]

I have my lolreasons why i have so much paranoia around you and it's now so much harder to play with you

hermpf

how am I supposed to evaluate your level of care here?

also guarantee was misspelled

maybe we should talk about this in a little bit?

[checkersman7]

well little is relative but yeah let's see

[checkersman7]

do you ever use the phrase 'ruin game' thor

[checkersman7]

why

[checkersman7]

? He's pushing (albeit in his way) his scumreads and has explained his meta tell/a debate with someone

what do you expect from town desp that you aren't seeing here

or alternately, how do you know this is scum desp?

[checkersman7]

VOTE: group b

LUV needs to dieeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

What are your a/c reads?

creature

elli
dan

eddie

-------------- <---- line of lynchability

whymafia
assemble

bulb


checkers
rach

transcend

------------- <--- line of lynchability

ginngie

vonflare

mikan

bulb - strong townreads elsewhere in the group and past experience
eddie - he's straddling the line, not much to explain
you and chesskid - no idea what your scumgames look like but you both feel right. unfortunately there's no hito or kagami here to help bridge the gap between you guys and the rest of us

when bulb is scum, he has a mechanical tic, especially in active games, where he is perennially "catching up" and he ends many posts with "on to page_____"

as town, he either doesn't use this at all, or if he does, it's sparingly and not as rote

in my head he'd been using it a lot more in this game but he's actually only said it once and it's the kind of whimsical version that comes from town him who legitimately just got backed up. as scum i suspect he's actually keeping up with the thread at all times but uses the catch up style posting to further his agenda

[checkersman7]

just from a quick skim

now if you said

hey vonflare isn't scumhunting

then you would be correct

[checkersman7]

dude answer my question
what are you expecting to see from desperado that you aren't here, and show me an example where you HAVE seen it.

[checkersman7]

viewtopic.php?t=73385&f=56&st=0&sk=t&sd ... er_sort=Go

[checkersman7]

Ok yes but I am a very very different player than Desperado so I don't see why you're saying he's scum because he isn't playin like me

by that logic most of the game is scum (well a good number of people are going to be honorary scum but that's besides the point)

[checkersman7]

I don't think Desp "i have a meta tell on bulb oh wait no i think he's town" is scum Desp

[checkersman7]

shut the fuck up

[checkersman7]

you don't even have 2 unique thoughts in your head how do you reach 2000 posts?

[checkersman7]

how about instead of having 2000 posts you try to have 20 total useful ones

[checkersman7]

Sell people on Trans, or do a meta dive on Vonflare's shitposting and lurking patterns then

[checkersman7]

there's no excuse for being worthless

[checkersman7]

Desperado is the best lynch, regardless of your read on his alignment.

this is the kind of sentence that people without brains say

do you have a brain luv?

[checkersman7]

so quit whining and be the change you want to see in the world

[checkersman7]

you guys ARE the bad and lazy town

[checkersman7]

sup Ginngie

can you tell me how u feel about Transcend

also have I skipped any questions from you I'm lazy and don't want to read back

[checkersman7]

maybe we should listen to the people within group c, none of whom are saying we should lynch ramcius eh fuckers?

[checkersman7]

Gin is not the same as in Kilos at all

[checkersman7]

like if you think ginngie is town go sell me on trans scum that would be a good use of your time.

wasting time tunnelling ramcius is not helping anyone

[checkersman7]

I've answered this alrdy.

If you're seriously saying her attitude and personality are the same so she's the same I've got a bridge to sell you because I'm a dick every game and yet sadly not always town.

See the thing is you can't have all these people as town. I'm telling you right now Ramcius is town so adjust your goddamn reads accordingly BEFORE the mislynch thanks

[checkersman7]

ginngie your beetlekuice tell didn't work last night when I wanted to talk about trans

[checkersman7]

But I'm done with finals and have nothing but free time now

I'm practically gonna be here all the time now

let's talk about transcend

[checkersman7]

P-edit: I have some personal experience seeing how Ginngie works as scum. I've even linked it. Twice. This is not it.

just like you have experience with Maestro scum?

[checkersman7]

like the way I see this day ending is a compromise vonflare or Desp lynch

And I'd much rather have von than desp but I'm wondering if I might want transcend most of all

[checkersman7]

he didn't ask if it was real he asked if its in desps scumrange to do that

[checkersman7]

I don't care about generics what would scum do

I care what would desperado do

WWDD

[checkersman7]

has desp ever been the screaming I've caught scum shut up and sheep type tho

[checkersman7]

scum thor is pocketing town desp

give me my prize

[checkersman7]

meta is trash elli I'm not gonna look

[checkersman7]

o u meant ginngie carry on

[checkersman7]

I'm not really getting fucked but my project is lul

[checkersman7]

Maniacal Street Mafia (Scum. Desp town.)
Big Brother (Scum. Desp town.)
Watch Your Step (Scum. Desp town.)
The Mod is Dead: Fire and Ice Edition (Town. Desp scum.)
Left 4 Dead (Town. Desp town.) (Oh look, Chess was in this game too.)
Playing Card Mafia (Scum. Desp Town.)

That's every game in my wiki where Desp and I played with each other. There may be more, but I'd have to dig through my bookmarks. Point is that he's seen me as town in catch up mode. And if you actually look at some of these games where I was scum, I believe he caught me before I reached that point, so the tell is bunk.

I don't think I posted once in that game

[checkersman7]

Focus on desp/von/Trans

That's the topic for the coming days

I'm not being wagoned and the more these days go on, obv!town Ginngie comes more into the light so you gotta town it up if you want to survive here lad

I want to hate this post but


I like it

[checkersman7]

but like I never posted you townread DGB.

[checkersman7]

Ginngie do you want to have makeup sex

[checkersman7]

I can spring for taco bell

[checkersman7]

your total is 5.69

[checkersman7]

haven't we established that group B actually has 5 scum left in it

[checkersman7]

Alisae was the anime gimmick alt
now Ramcius

[checkersman7]

Would be von/trans at that point I guess.

why do they let me have alts

[checkersman7]

ON THAT NOTE

GINNGIE IS YOUR CHESSKID PARANOIA RELATED TO MAPLEWOOD

also when I say 'illogical as scum' I mean stuff like that 'exactly 2 scum here' schlock I was peddling. *shrug*

[checkersman7]

1)

For people who don't know.
CHESCKERSMAN is a good friend of mine irl.

We've known each other for a long time and have talked extensively on how we approach mafia and what we think play should be etc.

HE IS 100% TOWN HERE
100%

He would not care as much about this game as he does as scum.
He would not be posting at the absurd ratio he is in this game as scum.

He's actually similar to me in one huge regard: he's only super hard to read as scum when he cares deeply about winning a scum game.

And I can 100% garuantee you he would not give a flying fuck about winning this if he rolled scum so.

This is still very accurate Ginngie

That level of effort is only worth it for me with that quality of playerlist

not this clusterfuck

[checkersman7]

It's ok that playerlist will reconvene in a
'totally normal mafia with good players and great memes' game

WHY DO THEY LET ME HAVE ALTS

[checkersman7]

Wow i'm kicking your ass in all categories

70% more posts than you
and 30% of the alt slips that you have

[checkersman7]

hey anti-ramci lynch crew

let's lynch vonflare

I endorse this product and/or service

[checkersman7]

yea

FUCK COCKS DICK SHIT

[checkersman7]

2.) I don't feel as annoyed by you, but I still think you are going through some mental gymnastics with Desp. Vax is now on the Desp wagon. I'd prefer that one at this point, but if you'd prefer to go after a lurker, I'll just go back onto Ramicus, and LUV will hammer.

so you're threatening him with playing against your wincon?

[checkersman7]

O BOY THATLL REALLY SHOW ELLI

*PUNCHES SELF IN DICK*
GOT HIM GOOD BULB OLE BUDDY

[checkersman7]

2.) I don't feel as annoyed by you, but I still think you are going through some mental gymnastics with Desp. Vax is now on the Desp wagon. I'd prefer that one at this point, but if you'd prefer to go after a lurker, I'll just go back onto Ramicus, and LUV will hammer.

so you're threatening him with playing against your wincon?

are you sure he's town tho?

Let's flip Eddie first and then we can decide between Vaxkiller and Bulb

[checkersman7]

What part of that is hard to understand?

the part where ramcius/alisae are obvtown

[checkersman7]

I don't think it's remotely possible for anyone even skimming the thread

to think I'm "just going with the flow"

lynch it with fire

[checkersman7]

I see more worlds where vonflare is scum than worlds where desp is

like I'm ok with it but let's make vonflare earn making desp the lynch rather than letting him shitpos t it out

[checkersman7]

I mean you've heard from several people in thread that he tries as town

in response to that he comes in and tries To:townthoughts: for 10m but theyr e all bad and not town thoughts

[checkersman7]

you know there's a search IN THIS THREAD feature right

[checkersman7]

please shoot me tonight I hate this game

[checkersman7]

please end my suffering