Paint Mafia Mania! Game Over come look at the garbage fire

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in chronological order

n1 keychain via schadd
n2 keychain via west, rask via hood
n3 keychain via hood, jjh via schadd
n4 S_S<->keychain via west, smocaine via schadd
n5 vax not same colour as keychain via west, pere+alch->jjh thing

jjh smocaine and S_S being the later of the checks and beeboy/vax being still unknown

vax if town should REALLY have used purple eater on jjh because he should just be purple vt and not any loss unlike either PR...

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If we go by the assumption

how can you justify this assumption tho

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S_S I don't think associatives or d1 really support your scumteam restricted pool though

tbh not a fan of using these kind of assumptions to justify limiting the lynchpool here either

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like pretty sure I remember e.g. mixed mafia/werewolf games with a strong mafia team and pretty weak wolf squad in comparison, afaik multiball doesn't have to be balanced vs each other only basically just for town winrate

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S_S lynch positioning is pretty scummy in retrospect tbh

Then I guess in spite of everything potentially jjh just through the no kill though idk still how alch could've inno'd him
If not jjh or if a third left (4 man team) beebs vs smocaine is kinda messy to sort between and both pushed jjh over alc but think I'd lean beeboy atm since I think jjh scumread S_S earlier

vax with a purple eating role even with possible extra restrictions, with peregrine's role (add red would turn a fair number of town purple) feels kind of broken even in a 3 scum team so think he has to be town despite him eating our invest PR >___>
compared to if he's town then it's just a low power or potentially even neg utility (rip randomidget and west9) so balance seems to work there, though it does screw over red team even more to have a purple eater with bins colour mixer. It's just the targeting has been super questionable (why shoot in hood, why shoot west over jjh wtf) makes me a tiny bit nervous.

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vax please unvote beebs he could be scum but he's lower percentage and even that is like mostly poe at this point so not the kind of thing I'd want to rely on first

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we don't know for sure if it's lylo as that depends on if yellow started as a 3 or 4 man, but it's probably the safer assumption to play as if it is

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Like we are in lylo we really shouldn't rush this...

though are you saying this like you know it for certain

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I'm a little tempted to vote too though

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S_S what are your reads here if you subtracted most of the setup spec?

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it is weird that on top of everything else against red vax is essentially also an anti red role in a game where mixer got more mixes off

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Well im certainly not lynching anyone on that premise today. Thats a last resort kinda thing. I get we still have to talk but beeboy is today's lynch no matter what.

I really think S_S is the better lynch here though fam

Beeboy has a good chance of being scum here but its also possibly just jjh in a 3man with S_S given yesterday but could even be smocaine over beebs here (I TR smocaine play but mech wise he's pretty similar position as beeboy) and yeah it depends on how many.

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MAYBE scum have some sort of colour changing godfather role, but thats really where you think we ought to be looking at this moment? Is there any evidence to suspect if scum said action it was used on SS?

I just think he's scum via play and a n4 check in a paint mafia game doesn't strike me as enough to ignore it.
Beeboy+smocaine would like imply a megabus on davsto which is kinda weird tbh

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S_S even today I feel like you're kind of calling people scum without calling them out if that makes any sense

Like town says I think X Y Z is probably scum and this is why but I get from you like "well these various things point to these people" but I don't feel like you really believe your own thoughts like e.g. beeboy is scum (like when arguing vax town logic to him).

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VOTE: Something_Smart

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UNVOTE:

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If vax is town I think there's no scumteam without S_S on it.
MAYBE if it's 2p left instead of 3 I could see it but in that case game wouldn't end even if wrong thankfully
A beeboy+smo team would implies super bussing d1 in a multiball and on the guy in the hood too which just doesn't make sense

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in a game with red bins mixer plus peregrine acting there can be up to like 3 purples n1, 6 n2, 9 n3 so it is just fucked to have a yellow purple eater given purple hits wouldn't even look hard to pull off.
Idk how bins role functions in later stages (if purple mixed with blue would make purple or like a tertiary shade or something) but that's like a third of list painted purple
majority of them being on town with peregrine only painting blues purple (red+more red just making red I'd imagine) and already that's almost too strong for yellow without being yellow.
If yellow then having potentially 2 nightkills a night even if just twice a game is absurd given red probably aim to have purpled like PRs and shit too

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VOTE: Something_Smart

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It's eerily silent today

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I wonder what dead thread is saying now

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S_S why you defending yourself from beeboy after saying he has to be scum in your pov

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S_S how does yellow not turn color completely but somehow removes the yellow from themselves for checks
That sounds like a thing just to make exclusively the schadd and alch checks worse and leave west's on you

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UNVOTE:
I'll give you a chance tomorrow but tbh if I do change my mind and lose from it then I don't fucking know

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12 am brain not equipped to analysis walls

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Probbs that they hope I turn this around and you guys follow my lead. Beeboy dies today. Stop looking for conspiracies. Hes the one person who has NO clear. He dies.

I mean, probably, but everything nonmechanical IMO points to S_S

also feel like even if they're both scum if we lynch beeboy and I'm gone you prob never lynch S_S afterwards so idk about that

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There actually might be a point there though.
Assuming scum have a PR to mess up paint would it ever be able to self target?

If not then that itself would logically have to stay yellow (or like a yellow mixture) to the end.

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Okay fair enough.

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I mean yeah but the only times this game I remember you pushing something like it mattered was pretty much that and yesterday

I know you just straight up said you don't do reads anymore though so idk. also there's some tonal things but then those aren't really things that can be responded to tbh

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S_S what do you think about 3803 and 3804

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if you're town it's probably better you put your effort into solving rather than just building cases why it's not you like in 3797 3806

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By "hard" bussing you mean both beeboy and smocaine?
Earlier I think you said he was bussed (as in, min 1 person) which I'd probably agree with but 2 on the other hand feels a lot less likely because of just how extreme it'd be.

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Though that's what Vax thinks also so idk.

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S_S can you give me like %s. I know what you said about your style etc but I still want something more specific than what you have.

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Vaxkiller

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@Vaxkiller idk if I asked you this but what's your read on beeboy without mechanics

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Okay lynching beeboy here. Keychain?

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If you're town then all scum have been painted or made investigation immune.

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not really
I wouldn't rule out a S_S after all this given that d1 still, but I think his answers were actually okay

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VOTE: Beeboy

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Can someone hammer this already +__+

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:/

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2 months of this shit just to get fucked by troll mechanics in the end
n i c e m e m e

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who is your main my dude

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how am i supposed to read Xx420smokeweederydayXx

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~-dAnKmEmEsTeR-~

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but yeah I guess it's jjh/smocaine and probably key since s_s didn't hammer

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varsoon fake guiltying a town for no reason to trade 1 for 1 kinda helped yellow out here
??? he hasn't even a scumread of anyone

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S_S pushing for alch before jjh as apparently town too

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:HMM: vax not eating jjh when jjh should've been purple if town (blue into red from block) and instead eating conftown pr :HMM:

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Oh boy I want to see the night action list

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Yeah Transcend had some amazing reads, it's just such a shame the check he called for on me did the opposite. Then he gets dog-piled by I think both scumteams as VT

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Town MVP - Satoko and Ricotta
Runner up - Smocaine

WTF award - Varsoon (WHY)

Thanks for modding cheet

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Was this setup unbalanced? I think all scum vs town wise, to some extent, yeah. We abused our roles pretty well, but if davsto wasn't lynched day 1 we could've done similar but without having to guess! Although maybe not if the hood made its results public so alisae could revert them all? I'm not sure how exactly that interaction worked.
Town did have some strong roles like cop, pere+alch as another potential semi cop, another invest in West and like doctor. So I don't think it's as bad as it looks, in most games town would just stop treating the blue flips as conftowns. But bad luck with the PR deaths and the classic outcome of a multiball of low crosskills was harsh on town.

However, us relative to red was a lot worse. We might as well have 6 of the members and red 2 with these roles, or like 5 3 is pretty much what it feels like. That said they were also pretty obvscum except varsoon and I helped lynch creature and schadd so that made it even more stompy, if varsoon didn't fake guilty he might have made it a fair bit of the way to the lategame though and maybe pull off a cross kill. The purple eater is never in any universe eating a yellow player, red don't have hood access and town got a red cop. Keychain's role not only makes her nearly impossible to investigate, impossible to roleblock (so roleblocker was more of a threat to red than us), but also immune to cross killing or even could make red kill one of their own members if they choose key and key choose a red lol. Although in that case red would probably know that a redirect was a scum thing and maybe guilty key for it if they could find justification for it.

Also fair credit to us, we were given a good hand and abused it about as well as we could have (in the role sense at least) which is all anyone could expect of us. Three notable mistakes I recall making was One, letting davsto get lynched, Two, sending jjh to make the kill thinking there'd be no roleblocker left so late into the game, and Three, killing havo. Okay, day play was pretty sloppy but oh well! Ironically I tried to lie low d2 and not be too active/scumhunty/townish to avoid being a red kill possibility early on but I think that's what ended up getting me checked (unless zachscend would've checked me anyways in which case nothing to do about it) so kinda damned if you do damned if you don't. Yeah I was super worried about crosskills until red bit the dust.

As is I inned mostly hoping to request paint images like in the other paint games (rip) in spite of it being a large and multiball(ew) and yeah after this I know I really don't have the patience or endurance for playing large games. Just don't have the stamina for a Day 7 game and that's even a relatively early end too. I thought the setup was definitely very interesting though and I would have liked to see it play out in a more standard way with all the chaos from things like bins mixing playing a larger role (as a spectator though because random chance is kinda stressful to play around lol), definitely appreciate the work you put into things here cheet even if some people hate you for making it too unpredictable

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Town MVP - Satoko and Ricotta
Runner up - Smocaine

WTF award - Varsoon (WHY)

Thanks for modding cheet

HM to beeboy, decent reads and found out there was redirector at least

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Yeah idk about that buddy. A goon in the hood and a rb-immune cross-kill-immune invests-as-town role, vax town vig can only really shoot town and red colours, and our paint afaik overrides any other paint effect on who we chose x night to force the colour we want, I won't even get into how a person being x colour during the night but reverting back in their flip if they actually get lynched same day could false guilty a town for "lying" about the colour.

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Yeah I assumed UC picked me since no red flipped with yellow in their colour.

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seems the thread was already spoiled and lost hope because of the "innos" by then

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I was sad that my gimmick got me lynched, but it was hard for me to see when I should have pulled up on the gimmick.

But, there’s another part of me that’s thinks, quietly, and all only to itself: “I drew myself on the cross, and they lynched me.”

-porkens

Ps, see you next techmo

Epilogue, glad I dragged red team down with me :)

your gimmick didnt get rly you lynched tho a fake guilty did. if varsoon did a fake guilty on most people the same thing would have happened because why would people trade 1 for 1. maybe your gimmick was why he picked you but whoever he picked prob the same thing woulda happened

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Presumably punishment involves whipping, right?

hey lets tone it down a bit in here ok