Anything uPick? (Endgame)

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hi

~tor

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Hi there!
I'm gonna start by saying Firebringer will have even more reason than normal to want to policy-lynch me and this time it won't be unjustifiably so: I have a posting restriction this game.

you probably don't

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read up to page 4: fire, mastina and yume town. I'll read up eventually

also lolgamma

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UNVOTE: WhemePlay
Not sure if anyone around currently is worth voting for
also how tf did I miss Ginngie in that list of common players

'not sure if anyone around currently is worth voting for'

I'll take thoughts villagers never have for 300

-tor

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it's a scum push tho no matter what

You're pushing a post restriction

Post restrictions are NAI sweaty

especially in games like these

she is not though. she is just calling it bullshit because it sounds like bullshit. I don't see OFG casing you or explaining how your claim makes you >rand to be scum.

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Reading.

No thoughts on mastina's claim. If she can prove her lovederizer she's probably town cuz otherwise that'd be anti-scum-wincon. If she can't, mastina's definitely capable of making that up.

WhemePlay initial townread. Mason-vig suggestion is not more likely to come from scum at all.

I read somewhere that every time mastina is in a neighbourhood with someone she goes and says "LET'S JUST ACT LIKE WE'RE MASONS FOREVER". I thus have no reason to at-first-glance trust mason claims from mastina ever tbh. That said, if one of the people in that hood is scum, I think they'll be able to work that out, especially if mastina is an investigative.

As much as I love to play based on townslips, I can't trust Chickadee's "WAS THERE A N0" because we for sure didn't get a PM from that and she's too experienced for that I think. If she claims a role without actions that'll make it super suspicious. Lowkey scumread.

Firebringer isn't scum with Chickadee. Either surface-level-scumhunting town or scum who knows Chick is town already.

@mastina

: Why spam the early game at all then? Funsies? Demonstration?

Mental note to check for possible 3rd parties in the opening post or with the mod. Vig is obviously the correct claim for that.

Hinduragi townreads are good, but WhemePlay vote is bad. Firebringer OMGUS is what I expected. Not intent on lynching someone that someone is planning on shooting tbh. mastina reports of "towniest post in the game" are greatly exaggerated.

Was gonna say I wanted more content from NSG but glad to see she's town. Either that or has significantly improved her scumgame lately.

ACB reads town to me initially. Wagoning is A+

OFG is all over the place. Trying not to mix them up, lol. Gamma vote is good, Firebringer FoS is bad.

Ginngie's reads are great. Unfortunately NAI. Not being able to play til voted is definitely NAI.

Read suggests Gamma is biggest scumread. No smoking guns, just hints sprinkled. ISOing now to check myself before I

47. Wheme vote opportunistic, scum doesn't do what he thinks they do
~fluff~
136. Calls rolefishing, which is a lolworthy thing and ALSO not something scum do (unironically at least). Have only ever seen that behaviour from scum who do the "act as they do when they're town" strategy and also rolefish as town.
142. paranoia
Then almost everything else is fluff, which makes it harder for me to catch up and is also unacceptable given the available content.
VOTE: Gamma
This isn't the Gamma I know.

hi mathdino! we never played a complete game before but I watched endgame of your last micro and I was very impressed with your town play, so I'm coming to this expecting a lot of the same depth and I don't love this point, while agreeing with most of your conclusions.

why do you post about mastina's claim being NAI while not having a read on the slot? I agree the claim is NAI, but what about her posts in general? feels a little wonky to be this deep into the game and all you can bring about mastina's play is a NAI throwaway comment on her always claiming shit whatever alignment she is.

I don't like you saying chickadee isn't scum with firebringer... not that it's a bad read, I didn't pay attention to know better but surely there have been many non SvS interactions in this game, and firebringer reads independently villagery for other, much more relevant reasons that you can read into... why is this read something you felt necessary to talk about, instead of reading the players independently?

how does your question to mastina help you determine her alignment?

can you expand on what you think of 47 by gamma? it's pretty cryptic

I like that you're voting gamma though, but this post is wolfy

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Someone please write up actual reasons NSG is scum. I'm not seeing it.

yup

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mastina, NSG, OFG, firebringer, maybe wheme and ACB town

dino is weird but I agree with a lot of his conclusions

gamma still a wolf

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I'm assuming OFG is maki and if I'm right she is very villagery in this game

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-tor

I'm out for now

gamma hmu when you're around, it's been a while yo! help me not mislynch you again if you're a villager

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alright math, I like the explanations and particularly agree with 5, I just wasn't sure you saw what I was seeing there cause I didn't understand your read. I'll look into the chickadee;firebringer stuff when I'm back.

villa reading your response just now

-tor

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I'm assuming OFG is maki and if I'm right she is very villagery in this game

You can read our sig right?
Anyways its been mostly me so...

oh ok sure

hi alisae...

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Hey guys! Sorry for the late start. Effing large themes... lots to catch up on

~ Cheeky

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Alrighty I'm up to date now.

No idea what the Creature wagon is about but it feels like a policy/unexplained meta lynch to me, which I'm not into at all this early. I felt like the weird Firebringer vs NSG battle over essentially "paranoia" was TvT more than anything.

Firebringer started off super scummy but then like became obv. town through that push (I've only played one game with scumfire which was blatant active lurking) I don't know what I make of them claiming vig then not - possible SK to look at later on?

NSG seems quite scummy but it does look like she gets frozen as scum so the back and forth real time kind of destroys her scum meta here. Also taking into account she only has 3 completed games makes it unlikely that she has turned up her confidence that much as scum. I would like to hear more from her.

Did the NSG wagon disband for any particular reason? It seems like I'm missing the point where it pivots onto creature.

Yume if you're a real vig, is it a day vig? and if so I like Dino's idea of using it on Creature so we can lynch stronger scum reads unless it ends the day.

Espeonage who do you scum read at this point?

What do people make of the Mali hydra vs Belli hydra?

~ C

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The bloc as in the 5 who are willing to hammer? I feel left out :/

~ C

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Ok so I'll rule out 15 and 4 (I'm going to believe the highlighted blue = conf. town story for now).

I don't know about the others. I do think this could be dangerous if heavily influenced by scum but I don't see how the ringleader is scummy for putting this together.

I remember disliking the comment by whoever "oh so there's 5 scum" - felt like TMI spew while trying to cast shade.

~ C

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I liked him for the push on Math and liked how he avoided saying he was a SR when I asked him.

I think you look worse in the hydra 1v1. Just saying.

~C

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1) Are we in a hydra 1v1?
2) You think I care?

I'm trying to interact with you, don't be a bitch. If you want a 1v1 then go. I won't bother wasting my breath trying to sort the game with you. This is clearly an overreaction which is scummy af just because I call you out.

~C

Pedit I'm talking about you with beebs/elli following on from my other convo you derp.

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:/ sorry I take the B-word back. I think we're misunderstanding each other. I didn't like how your hydra attacked the beeboy hydra when they scumread you. Something about that 1v1 made me feel like it was SvT, I want to say AtE but it's the wrong term but something like that.

Anyway if you think Espeonage is scum then what do you think it means that he's looking away from math amd at the lynchbloc? Would scumEspeonage mean it's likely a townbloc?

~C

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I think I need to go to bed and decipher this shizz in the morning.

~ C

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VOTE: Creature L-2

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lol @ gameday ending already

-tor

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twilight reads are anti-town fuck off

really

why do you think that

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I ISO'd creature

no idea, hope it flips scum

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in other news I like gamma's posts in this page.

-tor

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The Anything uPick:

Votecount 1.45:

Flat Earth Society (1): Gamma Emerald

Creature (7): Ginngie, Smocaine, Chickadee, Firebringer, NorthSideGal, ObsessedFanGrill, Whemeplay
Firebringer (2): Yume, MathDino
Northsidegal (1): Nosferatu
Whemeplay (1): Hinduragi
Obsessed Fan Grill (1): Espeonage
Ginngie (0):
Gamma Emerald (0):
Chickadee (0):
Torn Up (0):
Hinduragi (0):
Mastina (0):
Taroumaru (0):
Espeonage (0):
Yume (0):
Mathdino (0):
Smocaine (0):
Nosferatu (0):
Not Voting: Torn Up, Taroumaru, Creature, Mastina

Flat Earth Society (1): Gamma Emerald

With 18 votes in play it's 10 to lynch.

The day ends in (expired on 2018-01-27 12:00:00).

nah creature isn't hammered

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VOTE: Creature L-2

oh we did this

ok so maybe creature is hammered lol

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yume
eliboy
alimaki
mathdino
firebringer

wheme
NSG
mastina

are townreads. I'm readless on the other players, so probably lots of scum there

-tor

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yume
eliboy
alimaki
mathdino
firebringer

wheme
NSG
mastina

are townreads. I'm readless on the other players, so probably lots of scum there

-tor

Bad post. Also very bad slot if creature flips scum.

I should have at least explained my townreads

yume and fire's early spat on who is the night vig came off towny from both sides. I particularly believe yume's tone throughout that interaction, and fire has been otherwise very villagery on his pushes;mindset etc.

alimaki and elliboy's spat isn't nearly as AI, but I've seen elli's scum game and it's UTR;unimpressive;pretty shit and not like this at all. I also like beeboy in this game so there's that. alisae's wolf game is also pretty unimpressive and he just feels genuine throughout. if I had to parse out between the two, I'd put elli;beeboy higher just on the volume of their reads.

I liked the interaction I had with dino.

the other reads are a bit shallower but I can expand on those as well.

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but espeonage, can you expand on what's bad about my slot if creature is scum?

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-tor

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eh I'm actually pretty sure creature is flipping scum now but it's very angly, not that it matters

if he was town he'd be posting here

-tor

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and now I'm quite uncomfortable with being associated with creature

in my defense IDK how the guy plays :shrug:

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I'd rather not get torn up

-tor

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pretty sure there was a hammer RC so maybe lock up the thread anyway

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I didn't end the gameday, you all did

but now that it's over

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Ginngie, we're not scum get off.

So what was up with Wheme's guilty on fire? Was mastina not a mason? Someone said it made no sense for a Scum only neighborhood which I have to agree with - does that clear Mastina and Gamma?

~ C

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Wheme scum doesn't fake a soft-guilty on town fb, facts.

Then what was it?

~ C

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be useful and not useL E S S

Useless is being arrogant and mislynching town. Way to take one statement out of context to misrep us.

Why is nosterafu scum? You're being useless tunneling people with no reason so town can get behind you.

~ C

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Oh...my bad. I thought hider suicide bomber missed the miller thing...

Talk about OP.

~ C

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So if we assume APC was the scum kill then Fire was killed from hiding? I'm going to look through his ISO to see if he crumbed who he was going to hide behind.

Suicide bomber is a day thing right?

~ C

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{Chesskid, mastina, Wheme, Ginngie (Tenatively)}
{Fire, MathDino, NSG, Torn Up, Smocaine, Bee}
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{Yume, Chickadee, Hind, Shiroalt}
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{Gamma, Nos, Espeonage}
{Creature}

I have some problems with ur gamma and Chickadee read
Also NSG
Also me
Also torn up
Also me

So as a hider you're more likely to hide behind a TR or a null read to stay alive right? Especially since he had the suicide bomb thing. Id look at one of his TRs...unless he hid behind ACB and died with them? They were treating them like conf. town. They had the weird vig thing with Yume, scum read NSG after initially TRing them so don't think they hid there.

Mastina is conf. town now right? He also hard town read Chickadee. I think I'll check out that ISO next.

~ C

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JFC ALRIGHT :/

~ C

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Tor wouldn't miss that as they are tryhards.

I'll take that as a compliment hippy. But for real how'd you guys know that?

~ C

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Oh the story...wtf @ the flavour revealing info...I usually skip that stuff lol.

~ C

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Can everyone back the fuck off of Mathdino? He was in the math hood, I sincerely doubt he is scum based on the fact that it would mean scum are taking the penalty for another of their team's death beyond losing a member

Were you in the Math hood Gamma? How many were in there and vanillaized?

I mean I can buy that Mastina is conf town because they were married to RC(scum) and had a hood, which would be pointless if both scum. But if there was more than just 2 people in the Math hood then I think it's a bit of a stretch to conf anyone in there using the same reasoning. I also think that it is unlikely Math is scum with you by the way you are hard defending them.

Gamma what are your reads? Sorry if you've said I'm just skimming and ISOing areads of interest atm.

Chick seems ok to me. I'm worried about NSG, her performance has been underwhelming this game.

NSG are you in a hood?

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I'd like to know if that was Tora or Cheeky before I lock this

It's Cheeky, but if you say that clears us because I'm derpy-er then I'm going to vig you.

~ C

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I'd like to know if that was Tora or Cheeky before I lock this

It's Cheeky, but if you say that clears us because I'm derpy-er then I'm going to vig you.

~ C

hi cheeky

-tor

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Also I sign below the majority of posts so...

~ C

Pedit LOL that's less suspect.

What are we thinking on Gamma Tor?

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I'd like to know if that was Tora or Cheeky before I lock this

It's Cheeky, but if you say that clears us because I'm derpy-er then I'm going to vig you.

~ C

Damn, okay.

It would've cleared you if it was Tora. Firsthand experience says fuckups like that are townslips for him.

lol what fuck ups?

cheeky can you be on discord? :<

-tor

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Also I sign below the majority of posts so...

~ C

Pedit LOL that's less suspect.

What are we thinking on Gamma Tor?

I wanna think privately right now

-tor

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I was going to be offended by dino's comment but I also missed the flavor thing of fire's death just now lol so, ok

who reads flavor anyway

-tor

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Esp I'm town by Alisae and by mastina

really mastina

so like don't worry lmao

no

also why were you voting my slot? very curious vote with no explanation attached to it

-tor

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Honestly mastina is a self-resolving slot.
And no
I am not scum Mr. S M O C A I N E

why is she a self resolving slot? from what I understand, mastina has claimed a neighborhood with a player that flipped scum, and didn't claim any powers outside of that. can you or anyone that understands this elaborate for me? I'm assuming this isn't a case of you thinking mastina wouldn't claim a neighborhood with scum as scum...

-tor

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The flipped scum's role PM literally says there's a hood.

The question becomes, would the mod seriously create a neighbourhood for 2 scum which mastina can use to fulfill her post restriction?

Occam's Razor says that's fucking stupid.

so both mafia players that flipped are in neighborhoods and you think occam's fucking razor say that not considering the hoods as alignment indicative is fucking stupid? did I get the full picture of this or there's something else that clears her?

mastina what would you say to clearing you because neighborhood for 2 scum is stupid?

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-tor

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I am in fact
the most shining, beacon of what is obvious towniness.

agree

-tor

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Chick makes a post and literally leaves that very second. I'm unhappy with the way they treat this game. Someone shoot me.

this is a fairly uncharacteristic smocaine post

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Scum has to be in:
Flat Earth Society
Northsidegal
Nosferatu

I think, eh

Sorry


VOTE: Nosferatu

This is all considering Mastina/Gin/OFG claims to be truly town. I am not sold on the whole trio.

chickadee can you talk to me about that mastina claim? why are you not sold on it(I'm assuming you're not sold on mastina particularly as well)?

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i mean if you really want i can check mastina and get back to you in five fucking days

or maybe mafia will just shoot her in that timespan because
A. her role is positive utility for town
B. making a neighbourhood solely for 2 scum when there's also a confirmed scum PT is completely ridiculous
C. she seems to be townread by literally everyone but you

explain townread on OFG tho

Edit: @Chick: Wow an entire list of bad reads, damn. Explain plssss

I am not calling mastina scum, so let's start by you dropping from a 9 to a 5. I'm trying to understand what people are thinking because I'm not fully caught up and I didn't read much yet. what I know right now is literally what cheeky is telling me in our chat.

having said that, I just played a game with 2 3 player hoods that were both all town in a goddamn 13er, so suggesting there couldn't possibly be a full mafia neighborhood when both mafia flipped neighbors literally lol, it's something.

I liked mastina's posts d1 from what remember. anyway, why did alimaki say she was self resolving?

I've seen alisae wolf a lot and it's not this. neither is maki, whatever maki is actually posting here. and I like how they're villa reading me, it feels genuine. they're d1 was towny too... I don't really think alisae AtE's to beeboy like that as a wolf.

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this is all toranaga speaking now fwiw I forgot to sign last posts

-tor

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mastina is the only one of that trio i'm truly townreading

it seems like ginngie was arbitrarily townbinned because of the power of friendship, i'm being pulled in both directions on her

and OFG was like actually scummy based on D1 iirc but that may have changed with the flip so we'll see when i make an effortpost

I don't like ginngie's posting at all this gameday

-tor

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That's not related, and this phase you haven't been my town guy. VOTE: Mathdino I found the next scum guys.

Shit vote, Math is town based on being in the Math hood, at least until I find reason to not think scum would be in a hood where the death of one of their own would vanillaize them

^^^^ that's a proper reason to clear a player. not mastina being in a neighborhood with scum, but math being neighborized by scum that vanillizes him for a cycle after their death.

but how many people are in this neighborhood? is it just math and creature?

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Tor oh my fuck

He suicide bomb Hin-whatever as a makeshift vig shot

Wasn’t that heard to figure out

is it really all that common to read the flavor? I wouldn't guess there was vital information on the flavor of the kills either, it's not immediately noticeable. I do enjoy you chastising cheeky without taking the effort to simply point at where in the mod post that's explained. you're a sweetheart.

-tor

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So fire killed him self awesomely. What a coward.

Mastina didn’t confirm us last night. WTF.

So obviously the mafia kill must be the hydra that’s no more.

VOTE: Mathdino

what is this referencing, 'mastina didn't confirm us last night'?

-tor

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Actually hinduragi is good too

How about Hinduragi

gee

fire claiming vig

fire and

hinduragi dead

suicide bomb


how could we ever figure out these events without the mod telling us so in the flavor..

that's a horrible reason to assume what happened during the night (assuming all else you have is a wolfread from firebringer) but ok ginngie you do you

-tor

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I haven't read anything in Day 1 and even I saw that

yeah through scum PT

-tor

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Can everyone back the fuck off of Mathdino? He was in the math hood, I sincerely doubt he is scum based on the fact that it would mean scum are taking the penalty for another of their team's death beyond losing a member

are you the other guy on the hood?

-tor

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Oh right, I also claimed investigative (Kurt Godel) in the hood. Gave reads too.

I think it's possible Creature purposefully choked (didn't even claim in hood, gj) because he knew he had the mass vanillaizer thing anyway.

Given that my ability takes a loooong time to actually come up with anything useful, and given that I'm now delayed by a night, AND given that scum can just shoot the people I'm spending days to investigate, I don't think my role is gonna be too useful anymore.

My neighbour didn't roleclaim so Creature definitely didn't take that into consideration.

that's a great post isn't it. math is so good jfc.

-tor

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Is Mastina not really a mason, or has that not been refuted yet?

I think she was in a neighborhood with whoever dude flipped wolf neighbour at n1 results. I don't think she is a mason on top of that. that's a mastina thing, to claim a masonry for no reason.

-tor

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IDC if anyone bussed creature d1. there's a a benefit for scum to have him flipped and get 2 town players vanillized for it. bussing creature for credit when he was talked about as having quite obvious town and scum ranges also makes complete sense. otherwise...

I don't remember their posts d1, but ginngie's d2 is pretty bad. she isn't solving, she isn't trying to determine anyone's alignments, it's a lot of these blank obtuse pushes and throwaway commentary on the game. I feel like she is wolfing very poorly and needs to die, but I'm still going back to d1 to see exactly how ginngie bussed creature and if it's in any way clearing.

-tor

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don't take smocaine seriously

-tor

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Ginngie will become clear in a game day or even irl week from now. What posts of hers are scummy? I think her vote is wrong, but again, we'll see. Maybe you can help me see.

that's awfully uncharacteristic of you to ask me anything like this. anyway I'm pretty sure I'm partially scumreading ginngie for things that are very player dependant and might just be how they always play, like all these obtuse posts and unsusbtantiated reads. but their gamma push read insincere and it's the only relevant thing they did this gameday.

-tor

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We should

policy

lynch her so she stops fakeclaiming mason.

there you go friends

blow yourself torn, before I peel your cap back again because I don't like you.

I don't like you either mate

-tor

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...Which, mind you...I don't have right now. I don't have the time to put into this game today.
I don't have the time to put into this game tomorrow (which means you're in for a bunch of spam tomorrow, too).
Even Friday's pushing it in terms of me having the time to give something.

And then there's the fact that you fucks keep on posting.
The more you add, the more I'll have to read. I was behind. I know Hinduragi was behind as well and hadn't read most of the thread last night and he was feeling pretty lost because he was just so behind and was attempting to catch up during the night, but doing so poorly.
That looks like it's continuing today.

derp clear attempt denied

-tor

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Basically if you want me to get content to you sooner, slow the fuck down.
If you're content just waiting for me, though, feel free to keep spamming and make my life all the more harder.
You apparently won't wait for me to find a lynch!

that's not a problem mastina. scum has the power to erase a player and all their posts and the sign up posts too from the game. I bet this thread will get shorter and shorter and you'll finally be able to catch up

-tor

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@MASTINA HINDURAGI IS DEAD, EH

SORRY.

what derp clear attempt

there gamma

-tor

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Oh! That being said tho.

VOTE: Torn Up.
Might as well place a vote.
Could maybe also vote Alisae-hydra but would not want to do so without clearing it with the players I respect, e.g. Ginngie.

you don't even know who flipped but you have scumreads

-tor

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mastina knows who flipped scum, you might be misinterpreting what she's saying. she acknowledged hinduragi's flip in 994

ah. right. she doesn't think the guy thought he was scum, ok. I did misinterpreted it but I guess it was impossible not to.

-tor

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We should

policy

lynch her so she stops fakeclaiming mason.

there you go friends

blow yourself torn, before I peel your cap back again because I don't like you.

I don't like you either mate

-tor

I like the hippy I feel so unloved.

~ C

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Ginngie will become clear in a game day or even irl week from now. What posts of hers are scummy? I think her vote is wrong, but again, we'll see. Maybe you can help me see.

that's awfully uncharacteristic of you to ask me anything like this. anyway I'm pretty sure I'm partially scumreading ginngie for things that are very player dependant and might just be how they always play, like all these obtuse posts and unsusbtantiated reads. but their gamma push read insincere and it's the only relevant thing they did this gameday.

-tor

"They play in an obtuse and unsubstantiated way, but their push on obvtown reads insincere because I have the spicy read on Ginngie."

That's how I read that. Is that off base? Just quote something dude.

I'm not saying gamma is obvtown. IDK how ginngie plays. just ISO her through her d2 posting, it's not a big ISO. if you can't see it, IDK if I even know the words that describe why she is wolfy better than I already did. her posts on gamma are just someone who decided previously she was going to push gamma and then she pushed gamma. or I don't understand the context in which she suddenly wants to lynch gamma very hard because he is 'not evaluating' when he is evaluating a lot more than she is.

-tor

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I like you too Cheeky, more thank you know

booooooooooooooooooooo

-tor

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NSG is ignoring me. I'm getting kind of frustrated that noone is answering my questions.

Let's start some drama eh? Tim Hortons; Sorry; The earth is flat; VOTE: NSG

~ C

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Ginngie is not stupid; gamma is never getting lynched. Do you think she is the type of player to push a mislynch that's never going to happen so that she can look townie?

pedit: @torn

IDK about that mate, mathdino voted gamma and I don't remember people being fond of his posts d1. I am reading opportunism in her vote, but even if I wasn't I don't think pushing whoever to look towny is hard to do. and it's not like gamma is clear is it. so.

-tor

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NSG is ignoring me. I'm getting kind of frustrated that noone is answering my questions.

Let's start some drama eh? Tim Hortons; Sorry; The earth is flat; VOTE: NSG

~ C

H Y D R A D I S S O N A N C E

why is NSG scum yo

why you no go over this with me on discord

:<

-tor

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You're ruining it :/

~ C

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maybe if we all universally townread them, mafia will shoot them so we can stop talking about hindu/mastina/FB

I'm definitely vigging you tonight.

~ C

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Actually hinduragi is good too

How about Hinduragi

gee

fire claiming vig

fire and

hinduragi dead

suicide bomb


how could we ever figure out these events without the mod telling us so in the flavor..

that's a horrible reason to assume what happened during the night (assuming all else you have is a wolfread from firebringer) but ok ginngie you do you

-tor

if this is bad logic I can't tell if you graduated 3rd grade

he makes two posts about someone that ends up a dead wolf and you're assuming he suicide bombed on the guy, when another player claimed they vigged firebringer anyway and we have no idea what the setup is to guess otherwise

he could easily have suicide bombed on another player who got a doctor or is BP or any other fucking thing ginngie. IDK why you have to be arrogant about it, but my guess is fragile ego.

also maybe TMI cause scum heh.

-tor

oh and before anyone says the obvious again: we're talking about reading the NAs specifically as a fire suicide bomb on scum without reading the flavor of the kills.

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Ginngie is not stupid; gamma is never getting lynched. Do you think she is the type of player to push a mislynch that's never going to happen so that she can look townie?

pedit: @torn

IDK about that mate, mathdino voted gamma and I don't remember people being fond of his posts d1. I am reading opportunism in her vote, but even if I wasn't I don't think pushing whoever to look towny is hard to do. and it's not like gamma is clear is it. so.

-tor

this is unusual #goodposting from a slot that has been mostly VI all day

so gj i guess

i don't know how it's possible that tora/cheeky can use this much moonlogic as scum

maybe if we all universally townread them, mafia will shoot them so we can stop talking about hindu/mastina/FB

what moonlogic?

am I calling mastina scum? I'm saying calling her conftown because neighborhood is ridiculous. mafiascum mods do literally whatever to fuck up with our assumptions. neighborhoods are NAI and will continue to be NAI no matter who flipped in it. there could be 5 people in this neighborhood and I wouldn't clear the 5th if 4 neighbors flipped scum.

-tor

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@tor, that doesn't explain how Hindu died tho

it's all fucking theoretical anyway, I just don't like ginngie being a dick for no reason.

anyway. how about any other kill power that we don't know yet? there.

-tor

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Torn, you read the night actions before reading Yume bs, I assume?

I read the flips then cheeky explained things to me

-tor

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But it makes sense, plus the fucking flavor text says it, so I don't get what your whole shtick is.

that's why I'm saying it's all theoretical anyway. my discussion, my dumbass discussion with ginngie is because they're saying we don't even need the flavor to know what happened in the night as a way to chastise my slot. I said it was ridiculous. it lead to this mess of posts just now.

anyway, this isn't important, I'm just responding to ginngie.

-tor

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only on lolms do I get called a village idiot.

anyway off for now have fun

-tor

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Actually
I have a very better solution
VOTE: mastina
Hindu had access to the scum PT.

I love you alisae

I'll talk to hydra partner and read things and see where we go from here

-tor

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VOTE: Ginngie

Catching up now.

~ C

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Please mami

It feels unnatural to not OMGUS you lol. What are your thoughts on Gamma?

~ C

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Yeah actually gamma your ISO sucks and I want to let Espeonage clear NSG as he claims he will from his role so this feels better.

VOTE: Gamma

~ C

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VOTE: Taro

Why this? I thought Yume was all over this?

~ C

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@Torn Up: Please explain exactly what prompted your Creature vote (and when in the game this was). Also explain read progression on me (assume no role info about me) and Chickadee prior to her claim (why were you townreading her?).

Oh snap I was scum reading you but this Readslist is pretty impressive... I voted creature to get him up to L-1 so he could claim, I don't know what his scum game looks like but my TRs were pretty convinced this slot was scum. I didn't expect the quickhammer.

Chickadee is obv. town to me which is mainly a meta read. Like my read on NSG, I don't see town NSG playing like this that's why I wanted to know if she was in a hood putting her energy elsewhere.

You initially struck me as LAMIST and waffly, especially all the overdone and numbered responses, it could be a playstyle thing I guess, maybe you always seem tryhard awkward? I'm yet to see a player consistently powerwolf a game through multiple days though so I'm uncertain of my read on you rn. I'll look closer at your ISO later but don't hold your breath.

~ C

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What role info? What do you think you know about my role? That's a pretty weird push.

~ C

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You're from the Math hood right? I dont buy people derp clearing you because of the scum vanillaizer. I get why Mastina is cleared from the marriage hood but it's not the same logic.

~ C

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Who was the other person in with you?

~ C

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Edit2: Yeah no. They've had their chance to claim. We'll discuss it tonight when the vanillaize times out.

It times out? Like I don't get why you would suspect the other person in the thread and then defend them if they aren't going to be vanilla tonight? If the neighborhood is locked then who are you talking to "tonight"??

~ C

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Moreover, how is this conversation helping you sort me?

If it's not obvious I'm pushing you then this is what I mean by LAMIST waffling. I thought you scum slipped but I'm obviously wrong since the temp vanillaize is public info.

~ C

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Well my turbo is done at least for me so I'm back and going to analyze the creature wagon

same

also lolwolves jfc

-tor

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only on lolms do I get called a village idiot.

anyway off for now have fun

-tor

ms is a trash site why am I still here lol

I'm here almost exclusively to hydra with cheekyteeky at this point

also you make great games here alisae, I'll keep joining those as long as I'm around

-tor

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FIREBRINGER WAS NOT VIGGED. I KNOW THIS FOR CERTAINS. TY.

MAYBE FATE WAS RIGHT. I WANT TO JOIN SCREAMING DEATH CLAN.

I regret saying things that are irrelevant and theoretical just for the sake of arguing with ginngie and wish you didn't softclaim an investigative because of them but oh well. fwiw I never suggested firebringer died to a vig, I just explained how you can't know for sure without reading the flavor to ginngie.

-tor

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VOTE: Mastina why you lying so much about hiduragi?

what is she lying about? also did you read her tl;dr on it? I briefly skimmed but it looked awfully specific to be a lie.

-tor

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-tor

I'm out for now

gamma hmu when you're around, it's been a while yo! help me not mislynch you again if you're a villager

Wait what game is this talking about, I'm terrified.......

it happened in assassins' creed mafia game

my favorite game to this day btw, so many good people there

-tor

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what the actual fuck

why is mastina wallposting about her PT

mastina jesus just pretend hinduragi knew who all his scumpartners are and tell us who tf is scum

i got nothing out of reading your post

that's a pretty fake post

-tor

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tfw mastina was literally the last person to realise she was being punk'd

that's how most marriages go

-tor

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mastina give me reasons to trust Ginngie other than because you like her and like to blindly trust people (gj)

her play today has been scummy as shit

also need reasons to trust OFG/alisaehydra

if we can reliably townbloc them then we're good to go on PoE

but i can't figure out why you were townblocing them

why do you need mastina to make your mind up about ginngie

how was her play today scummy as shit? I don't disagree but I don't remember you being specific about it just yet

-tor

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Mastina was wrong when they decided to fakeclaim mason ast town VOTE: mastina

that's a pretty bad post

-tor

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Mastina was wrong when they decided to fakeclaim mason ast town VOTE: mastina

Explain how lynching mastina is town-motivated.

smocaine is playing very different from his usual self and I find this whole open lynching someone you're townreading to be pretty corny and fake

-tor

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Worse she called them conftown despite them making scumpost101. It's bs and needs to stop being accepted.

ok I believe that you believe this

-tor

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eh ok I'll keep catching up later but I like alisae a lot and I also kinda like smocaine's fire with mastina, who I also think is probably town at this point

dino's posts are weird

-tor

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I also like gamma and we'll move our vote to someone with a higher wolf equity later on when cheeky is around to be convinced

-tor

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~ Hi tor ~ < 3

don't send me a heart, I want you as my arch nemesis on MS

-tor

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hit on cheeky so I can get jealous and make a scene

-tor

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I don't understand Mathdino, Gamma Emerald, Whemeplay, Chickadee and Torn Up townreads.

I feel like all these people mentioned are spewed town

That's gross af. Why would he not throw in a scum buddy? It feels like you're trying to clear yourself through quite a stretch in logic.

Let's say you're right, then who would you be looking at? I'd expect town to try to do some kind of PoE with this if they believed in this reasoning. Instead I'm left thinking this is just posturing.

~ C

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Edit: Do you scumread everyone you disagree with?

I already scum read him and voted him. Why do you think he's town?

~ C

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Stop spewing hate McD. VOTE: Torn. Something about that vote resonates with me though.

yeah it's a vote on town

a smocaine preference

-tor

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Do you want to be my mason buddy this game?

ask cheeky maybe she will

-tor

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I'm sorry you got rejected

mathdino spent a large part of d2 calling me moonlogic and village idiot, and then he posts a terrible reads list with our slot as bottom-ish tier then votes me. if there's a slimy, scummy player who isn't even doing this very well and deserves death is math.

-tor

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mathdino spent a large part of d2 calling me moonlogic and village idiot, and then he posts a terrible reads list with our slot as bottom-ish tier then votes me. if there's a slimy, scummy player who isn't even doing this very well and deserves death is math.

@Torn Up: Please explain exactly what prompted your Creature vote (and when in the game this was). Also explain read progression on me (assume no role info about me) and Chickadee prior to her claim (why were you townreading her?).

Oh snap I was scum reading you but this Readslist is pretty impressive... I voted creature to get him up to L-1 so he could claim, I don't know what his scum game looks like but my TRs were pretty convinced this slot was scum. I didn't expect the quickhammer.

All that aside, you might wanna start answering to the case against you.

THE CASE AGAINST TORANAGA

'look at this post it's scummy'

how do I respond to this dino?

also, I just remembered. that whole getting roleblocked in the hood thing is the main reason to TR your slot. did you explain how the hood happen? was it 3 players to begin with? also is there any reason we don't know who the third player might be?

-tor

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I didn't vote creature and I didn't know we voted creature when I appeared in the thread. d1 was all in a weekend and I wasn't around to play. at some point my communication with hydra partner deteriorated so we had this cheeky blank voting + me appearing after creature got lynched not even knowing our vote was there. IDK how this is read as a bus vote when there was never even a hint, a push or anything resembling my slot trying to get any credit from lynching creature, so IDK. what can I say? cheeky wasn't bussing creature because we're town, so you can all take that read and suck it heh

-tor

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^ @ mathdino

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Math asked if anyone else was in thereearly on and mod said creature was in, so yeah

Dunno why he would tho

was that a mod conversation in the hood or math just told you this?

-tor

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are we really spoiling tv shows now

@OFG: god help us if you're neighbouriser tbh

My n1 target was Elli
I am kinda salty it didn't go through.

Fake

VOTE: torn up

Lynch this gogoo

How does this follow on from the previous post? You're all over the place my dude. You got an N0 on fire miller which makes you conf. town to me so sort it out.

~ C

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I just called him conf town duh.

~C

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stop skimming the thread and read or elaborate on what you're incredulous about?

~ C

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Oh lmao what a good guess! I'm so bad this game sorry people. I can't believe he said he had a guilty and fire flipped miller. I thought it was weird someone got a day cop or N0 on MS but I've never played a game like this before so *shrug*

I assume there are more hoods I'm unaware of. Was Wheme reaction testing?

~ C

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NSG - it was a train of thought post.

Gin I'd never expect any kind of empathy from you XD

~ C

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Meh.

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Was Wheme reaction testing?

I doubt it. Idk. I think he was just wheme-ing.

I don't get it. I mean if you guys knew fire was miller then I'd understand you outing a guilty on him D1 as a reaction test otherwise was it just a lucky bad push?

~ C

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Was Wheme reaction testing?

I doubt it. Idk. I think he was just wheme-ing.

I don't get it. I mean if you guys knew fire was miller then I'd understand you outing a guilty on him D1 as a reaction test otherwise was it just a lucky bad push?

~ C

Why reaction test a guilty?
Wouldn’t it make more sense not to out a guilty if you are looking for reactions?

If you knew it was a -fake- guilty.

~ C

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Oh lmao what a good guess! I'm so bad this game sorry people. I can't believe he said he had a guilty and fire flipped miller. I thought it was weird someone got a day cop or N0 on MS but I've never played a game like this before so *shrug*

I assume there are more hoods I'm unaware of. Was Wheme reaction testing?

~ C

given that it's not sarcastic, i get a really weird feeling from this post. perhaps it's because i'm not coming at this from the perspective of someone who's been chastised for not reading the thread, but it seems strangely apologetic in a way that makes it look nongenuine. there's really boring to apologize for about thinking that wheme had some kind of investigation on firebringer, given the flip - i thought it myself until just now. there's nothing to call yourself bad at the game for. calling it a "guess" also frames it strangely in a way that i can't really describe.

I'm apologising because everytime I've come to catch up I seem to be missing things and saying derpy shizz. It's an accumulation of me not paying enough attention rather than just an apology for one post.

Glad to see you're around now NSG.

~ C

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Oh lmao what a good guess! I'm so bad this game sorry people. I can't believe he said he had a guilty and fire flipped miller. I thought it was weird someone got a day cop or N0 on MS but I've never played a game like this before so *shrug*

I assume there are more hoods I'm unaware of. Was Wheme reaction testing?

~ C

given that it's not sarcastic, i get a really weird feeling from this post. perhaps it's because i'm not coming at this from the perspective of someone who's been chastised for not reading the thread, but it seems strangely apologetic in a way that makes it look nongenuine. there's really boring to apologize for about thinking that wheme had some kind of investigation on firebringer, given the flip - i thought it myself until just now. there's nothing to call yourself bad at the game for. calling it a "guess" also frames it strangely in a way that i can't really describe.

we've been pretty chastised this game NSG. I have a much different reaction to the kind of stuff people are saying about our slot than cheeky, but if you can't understand that at this point she is awfully self aware when she gets anything wrong, then you're not doing a good job at putting yourself in her shoes.

-tor

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torn up you're gonna get lynched sooner or later

give reads and make a push

continuing to defend yourself doesn't help anyone

what town says this?

anyway I am personally giving reads and making pushes when I'm around. it's mostly what I'm doing. have you read my ISO before asking me to make reads? I'm not making a tl;dr reads list if that's what you're asking, but I have a pretty decent handle of the game and a fair number of scumreads. you're one of them btw.

-tor

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VOTE: Mathdino

~ C

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When we flip town lynch Espeonage next please. Kthnx.

~ C

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Reading page 73 it dawns on me
I don't think Tor ever actually engaged with me
VOTE: Torn Up
Ya I'm down with this for now

I tried engaging with you yo

me and cheeky are lost and lazy with this game :shrug: but we're a PR you might wanna know about before deciding we should die

-tor

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I'm waiting for cheeky to appear and I know we waited far too long to do it but I don't wanna repeat a situation where my partner gets mad at me for claiming without their permission

hints: we're two people, we have a night action, we have reason to believe elli hydra still lives :O

-tor

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I'm voting Torn Up right now.

I specifically said that within sections there's no specific order, eh.

Gotta run to Tim Horton's, be bak later.

chickadee... look in my eyes, look inside my heart. can't you see I'm town :<



-tor

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ok

no idea if this is hammer or not.

we are krillin and android 18, a weak JOAT. we have a 3 power cycle: a weak doctor, a weak track, and a weak cop. we cannot holster our night actions, so chances of dying are pretty high anyway. if we live to d4, we are not weak anymore.

n1 I doctored the elli hydra and we didn't die, so elli is town. and elli's disappearance only makes sense as dead if the kill was strongmanned on top of being janitored, which sounds super OP from where I stand. or we got roleblocked.

-tor

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should have claimed that shit before getting lolhammered but

if this is it gl everyone, my reads are probably shit this game so I don't really have much else to say. listen to alisae though cause I'm pretty sure he is town and he'll get lategamed cause you're trying to mislynch him.

alright.

-tor

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eh that was hammer lol

sorry everyone :<