Anything uPick? (Endgame)

[Mathdino]

i heavily HEAVILY doubt nosferatu is scum dude

[Mathdino]

okay but honestly since neither he nor i is really confirmable (and nosf has still not claimed to me so idk what his deal is)

if we strong townbloc {mastina, ginngie, NSG} and soft townbloc a few people by VCA

we can lynch and vig the rest and win anyway

Edit: i could lynch FES or OFG
someone needs to explain taro to me because his whole shit with yume is scummy
and town bodyguard on town or scum role seems more likely than scum bodyguard on town vig

[Mathdino]

nosferatu and i are still vanillaized

[Mathdino]

i'm an arsonist-style rolecop

i "douse" people and then later have two "ignitions" that give me their roles

flavoured as godel's incompleteness theorem

except i'm not any of that because i've been vanilla both D1 and D2

and it would now take me 3 nights to get anything useful

so fuck me, right

[Mathdino]

mastina this is pretty lynchworthy right

[Mathdino]

yeah okay

so apparently i'm not vanillaized, and RC just didn't tell me he was closing the math PT forever

despite the fact that creature's role PM and the PM RC sent me implied that the PT was closed because the "neighbour" portion of my role got vanillaized

so yeah i no longer have a neighbour

and furthermore i did not submit an action because i thought i was vanillaized

also there's probably 2 scum left so fuck all that anyway

#RC2k18

[Mathdino]

neither of you, just explain why you're confirmed town if you even are and sheep the townbloc

[Mathdino]

dear lord i am not going to suffer through more 10 page catchup multiposts

[Mathdino]

RC just admitted on sitechat to writing this game while high

i now accept that nosferatu could be scum even though i am lightly townreading him

10/10 setup

[Mathdino]

as in he designed this setup high
and likely sent PMs high

so accidental bastard mod, maybe there's 2 scum in a hood who the fuck knows at this point

[Mathdino]

RIP the math hood

it was horrible while it lasted

[Mathdino]

nosfscum still doesn't jive with scum philosophy

why bus the shit out of creats when you have a scum neighbourhood going on

[Mathdino]

i don't think anyone would've believed that being in the hood makes you town had you outed the hood in a 1v1 against ginngie anyway

since we're literally at the point of "SCUM MUST BE IN NOSF/DINO" from a few people

[Mathdino]

i mean true

but ginngie's also not scum so

where are you at now

also wanna just make this thread our hood and spam it up to mock the spamposters from D1

[Mathdino]

No way in hell I'm gonna be able to confirm that

[Mathdino]

I just want to point out again that I was on the Creature wagon in theory (and for a split second) but was stalling it to get Creature to talk more in the hood. Was against the speedlynch, not the lynch itself.

Nosferatu had the exact same reason to be off Creature, and his whole "I hate sifting through this game" thing seemed pretty genuine cuz I experienced the same thing.

If we figure out why TFES is "conftown" we can narrow the lynchpool considerably.

[Mathdino]

did mastina just spend 20 minutes writing a short essay on why she can't budget her time
i'm not crazy right

[Mathdino]

Anyone who's actually fucking played with me in a game that I get behind on knows I read chronologically.

here i was reading posts alphabetically

i guess that's what i'm doing wrong

[Mathdino]

OFG i already fullclaimed did you actually miss that

[Mathdino]

nosferatu never claimed

i fullclaimed

taro already claimed

this is gonna take forever tbh

but

more time for other games

[Mathdino]

VOTE: OFG

out of annoyance

consider my vote actually on TFES

[Mathdino]

not following your orders

would literally be less annoyed if you misgendered me in every post you made

[Mathdino]

me voting you isn't going to lose the game

i also want to win the game

i just don't trust you to do it

waiting for mastina/ginngie/NSG

and i would vastly VASTLY prefer to have claire giving orders on espeonage's behalf

[Mathdino]

am cool with that but do whatever's most pro-town

you are significantly more condescending than espeonage in my experience

[Mathdino]

i literally played espeonage in marathons

[Mathdino]

didn't know "getting the thread locked" was helpful for your wincon but yeah same

that aside
i would assume at this point that you would be totally okay with me misgendering you all the time
given that i've already told you what to call me and you don't care

[Mathdino]

thread lock + 30 pages of spam was my concern, yeah, cuz it inhibited my ability to play the game
teaches me to check playerlists before i ever join a 2nd large so fuck me i guess

i didn't know you had a relationship with bee but i also don't care?
idk why you're even bringing that up

[Mathdino]

i just don't really want to be in this game anymore if the people i enjoy playing with and talking to are either inactive or not in the thread
my role is essentially equivalent to VT
and the game's pretty much solved by everyone else with information that i don't have
except no one really gives a shit about this game INCLUDING THE MOD because of team mafia

but i also don't wanna replace out and make someone read 85 pages with 10 pages of one person's posts cut out

if this is better than most large themes i'm sticking to the open queue tbh

it's just dead

[Mathdino]

the fuck? has gamma even been online?

i'm voting you because you're annoying me, not because i'm trying to stop a massclaim

[Mathdino]

alisae have you considered taking the time to notice that gamma is fucking v/la

the fuck are you tryna do strongarming someone site inactive

[Mathdino]

then stop it

the more pages we make the more shit mastina will force herself to write 5 paragraphs on

[Mathdino]

VOTE: OFG
lynch all liars
no one does

[Mathdino]

the point is that you guys are fighting over either a typo or someone overlooking a number

smoke said n2

OFG thought he meant (and meant) n1

please stop this

[Mathdino]

N1 we targetted Elli

.
N2 we targetted Espeonage.
We can release Espeonage whenever

Reading is a valuable skill you should learn.

You understand I'm talking about

n2

ya?

ok so you didn't realize that all of the cyclists' posts were deleted until

night 2

, despite that being a major talking point day 2? And then go on to berate me for not reading??

if anything smocaine is overlooking the fact that

they were my n1 target not my n2 target

.

smocaine
are you dense

[Mathdino]

If they were so concerned about saving cynical for day 3 because elli said so, they would have tried to do something n2, no? Instead it doesn't even cross their mind when asked about it.

i mean all you're proving is you're not following the thread

multiple people tried to target elli n1 and mastina was told "lol nope they don't exist"

the hydra was removed from the game signup and removed from the game in every sense

furthermore there was no scum NK flip since it was pretty clear firebringer suicide bombed hindu

conclusion: ACB was a really weird NK

and you think OFG should've tried to JK a player who she was explicitly told is not in the game?

[Mathdino]

like i don't townread OFG either

but you're fishing for scumslips where one doesn't exist

everyone was on the same page d2 except you

who was held up on trying to policy lynch conftown

[Mathdino]

pedit: ACB was targetted for a kill probably because people didn't want Elli to bring out his third party tools and solve the game.

were elli's tools common knowledge at that time? no one mentioned this possible reason until you just did

and yeah smoke is probably being derptown

[Mathdino]

wait alisae how long did you know about elli's program

[Mathdino]

Oh about since Jan 01, 2018 4:01 am PST maybe even a few hours earlier or something like that it started to become a high quality meme.

what happened then/who else knew about this?

@Smocaine: also you realise i'm only "mediating" because i'd rather the thread stop talking about dumb things while we wait for gamma, mastina, TFES, nosf, etc to get back here

i fall pretty firmly in the "scumslips never happen" camp

and lol i at no point ever considered that you actually had a dayvig

[Mathdino]

you seem to misunderstand what i care about right now

what i want is for us to poe 2 scum asap and for the game to be over so i can have fewer dumb things clog up my bookmarks

things that will slow the game down:
- mastina taking decades to get past 2 pages
- OFG shouting at people who aren't here to roleclaim
- you going on about a scumslip that doesn't exist
- the lack of anyone actually voting
- the fact that half the game is pretty much fuckin done and is focused on other shit
- you fake dayvigging OFG

things that do not slow the game down:
- people who are here claiming their roles when they're here (who the fuck is going to make up a crazy claim and fit it to flavour in a role madness game)
- wagoning people who slow the game down until they stop slowing the game down
- keeping badposting to a minimum so mastina catches the fuck up
- you actually dayvigging OFG

this is the lens through which i view D3 events

i am entirely okay if you desperado OFG and fail

2 fewer people from the PoE pool that i have to deal

at that point we're left with

{TFES, Yume, Taro, Espe, Nosf, me} and outside chance of NSG

on the other hand, if you succeed

one lynch til game-end

[Mathdino]

VOTE: TFES

might as well

[Mathdino]

do you understand the "gamma is literally not here" thing

wagon TFES until he figures his shit out

maybe confirms himself as town, maybe not

do you have literally anything better to be doing

[Mathdino]

ah yes classic

hood deletion, post deletion, hood locking without actually telling the players, post restrictions requiring spam even while V/LA

then taking 3 days to post votecounts

all elements of a very fun game

Edit: so do you want to do the massclaim thing or not

cuz i'd rather not waste a day/night cycle (2 more fucking RL days as opposed to 1 waiting for gamma to come back) if we could theoretically conf gamma as town and just lynch someone else

[Mathdino]

scum never opposes mass claims, fax

[Mathdino]

damn i was hoping you'd be a town role

[Mathdino]

Chickadee has died! She was Canada, Macho Post Restricted Innocent Child.

does that mean this wasn't a scum kill or did you just not write anything

[Mathdino]

i kinda wanna vote you to see that happen

can you promise to make it an old 2009 Mastin style essay

[Mathdino]

so the mod tells you who's being killed and then you write flavour? wat?

edit: yeah exactly what

[Mathdino]

i honest to god thought that was raybells being a dumbo

Edit: LOL so a role that potentially delays the daystart by 2 days nice

[Mathdino]

maybe

is smoke's dayvig real

everyone knows role madness just really needs a dayvig

[Mathdino]

are you allowed to say that you're espeonage in the kill flavour

also were you already JK'd at that time

[Mathdino]

did you get the chance to write flavour for ACB

[Mathdino]

YUME PLEASE CLAIM YOUR TARGET IN YOUR FIRST POST.

It is imperative that getting yume to claim target is near the top of every page until it happens.

I targeted Firebringer.

Dumb choice but we will see. And just in case y'all fucking want to quicklynch. We are not lynching for at least four irl days bc that is how long my result will take.

theroies about what happened to Elli btw.

also scum factional ability if I had to guess

Scum have a kill. I can tell you that now.

Ok Esp, I said something stupid about the person with the spirited away by the demon power earlier, but now that I noticed it seems likely that was the factional kill. I felt it was important to issue a sort of retraction. Why you yada yada'ing me?

Wasn't yada yadaing you.

And unless it is a one time modifier its not the scum kill my role specifically interacts with the scum kill.

Now seems like a really good time to say.

I AM THIS THREAD SO THIS SHIT BETTER ALL BE ABOUT ME.

Now look at your role.

And back at me.

I'm on a horse.

semi confirmed

[Mathdino]

for the love of tim hortons

you're that intent on an official catchup, eh?

mastina couldn't slow a game down more if she covered a football field with refrigerated maple syrup

i'm sorry but some things need to be said as a favour to this game

anyway back to eating my baggel in the garrage

i'll prob go to the mall later but it's below zero celsius out

[youtubve]IY_bhVSGKEg[/youtube]

sorry.

[Mathdino]

Sorry! This was a bigger mess up than waking up in a dumpster outside Tim Hortons, eh?

[Mathdino]

@Ginngie: I can only assume it's because of my Innocent Child claim
The flavour for this role is tastier than maple syrup, eh buddy?

[Mathdino]

Omfg taro already claimed

[Mathdino]

Gamma you're being popcorned to

Sorry but it really doesn't make a difference, friend

VOTE: Gamma

As the greatest of all time rapper Drake said
You started from the bottom of my reads list, now you're here

[Mathdino]

i mean i'm just going to assume that vig didn't kill mastina

bad kill tho

VOTE: TFES

back to business as usual

[Mathdino]

It sure sounds like Ginngie is gonna disappear from the game in a couple hours if Espeonage's PM is any indication.

why is no one voting

[Mathdino]

*shrugs*

are you townreading alisae-hydra

[Mathdino]

okay why is ginngie still here

espeonage's 3 days already elapsed

[Mathdino]

Yeah Raybells has been around.

VOTE: OFG

Ginngie shouldn't be here unless there's some other interfering mechanic.

Are we massclaiming or not btw?

[Mathdino]

fucking shit i counted based off when gamma got lynched (sunday) instead of when this day started (tuesday)

VOTE: TFES

sorry

[Mathdino]

implying anyone seems to give a shit
the mod hasn't prodded anyone despite the 48 hour rule in the ruleset
i've stopped caring, i have a vote on someone claiming to be conftown and then doing nothing
you figure out what to do at this point

[Mathdino]

where's nosferatu

he hasn't been here in literally almost a week

[Mathdino]

lol were you guys literally just prodded

this activity level is pitiful

this game is fucking solved by PoE and we still can't seem to end this godforsaken day

[Mathdino]

I fucking lol'd

Someone didn't read the ISO before replacing in

[Mathdino]

Ginngie is town, Yume is town if she makes another shot (so not scum 1 shot vig), NSG is town

Lynch everyone else, gg

[Mathdino]

Literally who would've roleblocked your overdone jailkeep lol

I agree with massclaim fwiw

[Mathdino]

Is the reaction test seeing who would want to lynch you after claiming lynch proof

Cuz role madness site meta pretty strongly suggests lynching the lynchproof claims lol

[Mathdino]

i mean does the lynchproof actually end the day

cuz if so that's a free kill

tbh it would be balanced as a scumrole given that it looks like town has 2 nightkills

Edit: i mean yeah that's just what you do with lynchproofs lol

[Mathdino]

i mean yeah i'm not gonna lynch them when this thread is basically just the two of us bitching about the game with ginngie and smocaine

also it was nosferatu who is now havingfitz

i literally said this in huge bolded text

[Mathdino]

Wait NSG why haven't you been around this thread specifically?

[Mathdino]

Mfw you're online

Yeah you haven't been around basically since D1

When d1 was literally the day I would least want to be around for

So wassup

[Mathdino]

How tf would you know that from being a motion detector

[Mathdino]

Nosferatu siteflaked and got replaced out of all his games

This was the last one he was forced out of

[Mathdino]

VOTE: Smocaine
You should claim

[Mathdino]

Thought there was 1, probs 2 tho. Traitor flip and weaksauce strongman role imply large scumteam. This is of course based on the idea that this shit is balanced which it really may not be.

What post restriction were you using? Also are you actually a day desperado?

I'm just as suspicious of the claim but if this is what it takes to finally get our massclaim over with, it's good to me.

And I already claimed in full. Arsonist style rolecop (although it's really more of an abilities cop). Can find the full name of it if you want.

[Mathdino]

UNVOTE:
Are you day?

I assumed the desperado thing was a joke after you dayvigged OFG like 5 times.

[Mathdino]

Don't shoot smocaine, don't lynch him. We should be killing within (flat earth, nosferatu, math, wheme)

Heavily disagree on Wheme being in and OFG being out.

You still didn't answer my questions.

[Mathdino]

Weirdly elaborate fake guilty on Firebringer, was on both scum wagons, general behaviour I don't think is scumposting (if you want quotes lmk), and this guilty on Smocaine business is neither scum bussing nor scum calling a guilty on some random potentially vulnerable townie.

OFG is in the lynchlist.

I don't fkin know who scum is when 1/3 of the players aren't even here and TFES has posted literally nothing of substance. Was scumreading OFG before the game died. But if pushes do literally nothing here I'm just gonna wait for the massclaim and PoE lynching to auto-win in 2 months.

[Mathdino]

Smocaine wouldn't be hard to get lynched in this gamestate. 1v1ing a townie in 10p is exactly as pointless as fakeclaiming a N0 guilty in a micro. WP doesn't seem the type to throw like that. It's either nighttime mixups or Smocaine is actually scum imo.

And bussing is also horribad at this point. The rest of the town has too much power.

I've given reasons on OFG before. Weeks ago at this point. Rn I'm pretty much checked out of this game. I'm more interested in your towncase on them than screaming a nullcase/scumcase into the void.

[Mathdino]

1. Just experience with Screenplay. Doesn't seem like the kind of thing he'd be cool with doing as scum. It already blew a lot of their towncred the first time they did it. Why go again?
I do want a real fullclaim tho.

2. Pretty sure there was something else back in D2. D3 I just wanted to pressure vote people into doing things. Like I'm not gonna seriously try to lynch someone when 3 or 4 other people have done absolutely nothing. If there's anything to townread, I get the impression that they still give a shit about the game. Giving up is a sign of disappointed scum.

3. Because lying makes things worse. What would OFG claim when pressured into a massclaim? 1-shot flipless vig? Releasing Espe created the benefit of having someone in the daythread advocating for their interests, and also creating towncred.

Understand that I'm not saying GUYS OFG IS TOP SCUMREAD LOL. Top scumreads are the people who haven't been around at all.

Glad you're back (this game otherwise feels like me banging my head against a wall), but the fact that you're suddenly engaged the moment I call you out for not being around is uncomfortable and reminds me of Pick Your Power.

Still would rather lynch TFES.
VOTE: TFES

[Mathdino]

we're never gonna get to that point if we don't lynch someone

[Mathdino]

Fitz not antagonising me indicates town
Good to see you
Can you do a joint ISO of Yume and Taro and tell me wtf is going on there

[Mathdino]

Do you have a better way of getting tfes back when the mod is clearly not prodding or replacing them

[Mathdino]

That duo is fkin weird and has like no content not involving each other

Taro is Yumes compulsive bodyguard

Yume is supposedly a vig (she's only shot once)

[Mathdino]

Wait what

I am also a rolecop but I'm 90% sure that's not how my role was written

[Mathdino]

Yeah mine isn't enabled

It's partial rolecop

How does your ability work

[Mathdino]

I still think creature was purposefully bussed to shut down our roles/hood

[Mathdino]

Check the hood

I partial claimed in it before creature beetlejuiced in

[Mathdino]

Creature's death vanillaizes the hood

[Mathdino]

Check creature's role pm

[Mathdino]

NSG is pretty obv scum when scum

ISO her, it's pretty townish

Only problem was the lurking out :/

[Mathdino]

i already did a towncase on NSG in d1

so let's use recent shit

pedit: Actually its moreso I'm hoping to get some clears out.

Like I feel like I have a decent grab at RC's mod meta since he inspired me to design games the way I design them from crazy, flavor heavy, inspirational upicks and roles to just how I formatted my role pms.
I feel like I can understand RC's mod meta and outguess him easily.

if you want people with conftowns to out – why not just ask

those people to

claim their results?

if you're trying to guess scum based on abilities, i'll ask again – we don't know whether or not scum had fakeclaims, so what would you hope to accomplish?

piercing question, classic NSG, it is difficult for her to fake this

ginngie, if you're alright with the massclaim, what difference does it make whether you go first or not?

see above
why would scum harp on this point

Who ended up being the third person in the math pt?

Also pretty sure ofg is town.

scum-NSG knows who else is in the math PT because creature was in it lol
so unless you think she's literally lying about not knowing who was in the hood, this is a townslip

To clarify, why isn't it calling a guilty on some random townie?

Obviously because this is MS not MU. That why.

i'm not sure what this is supposed to mean.

Smocaine wouldn't be hard to get lynched in this gamestate. 1v1ing a townie in 10p is exactly as pointless as fakeclaiming a N0 guilty in a micro. WP doesn't seem the type to throw like that. It's either nighttime mixups or Smocaine is actually scum imo.

And bussing is also horribad at this point. The rest of the town has too much power.

I've given reasons on OFG before. Weeks ago at this point. Rn I'm pretty much checked out of this game. I'm more interested in your towncase on them than screaming a nullcase/scumcase into the void.

if you're town, i feel like you're making the same mistake that you made in 1983 with regards to firebringer. nothing about wheme's claim would put him into a 1v1 – it's obviously false, and he's already fakeclaimed a guilty before in this exact same game.

what's your experience with wheme?

i checked your iso for reasons on ofg and all i got was this:

the fuck? has gamma even been online?

i'm voting you because you're annoying me, not because i'm trying to stop a massclaim

this is a massive simplification of what went on day two, but if ofg were scum, why bother revealing their role at all or releasing espeonage at all when they could've just kept espeonage trapped and us in the dark?

#goodposting
while i still somewhat disagree on putting whemeplay in the lynchpool right now
this is a genuine argument and i recognise the way that she's debating reads/strategies with me from everywhere i've seen town NSG or out-of-game NSG
plus the defence of OFG while going after whemeplay has little scum utility

[Mathdino]

@WhemePlay: I think Nosferatu got full vanillaized. I got vanillaized for a cycle and thought I was vanillaized for good because RC was unclear about shit. Plus I don't get straight results like that.

@Ginngie: Claims so far:

Mathdino: Visitor partial rolecop neighbour (arsonist style cop)
havingfitz: Enabled rolecop neighbour (now disabled)
Yume: Vig neighbour (no fullclaim yet)
Tarou: Yume's compulsive bodyguard neighbour
TFES: Grab-bag of negative-utility things
OFG: Modified jailkeeper neighbouriser (steals people out of the thread) (was their action on Ginngie roleblocked?)
NSG: unclaimed
Ginngie: unclaimed
WhemePlay: unclaimed, multiple fakeclaims

[Mathdino]

you don't have any other abilities?

[Mathdino]

do you have a role title?

[Mathdino]

It'd make me feel a little better tbh

[Mathdino]

Just one visit last night, no ignition yet (remember I need 2 ignition)
Would prefer not to direct the NK by outing my targets

[Mathdino]

274, 303, and 1519 all have reasons NSG is town.

Scum NSG doesn't fake townslips. Pretty sure she would get nervous about lying/gambiting.

[Mathdino]

Actually pretty confident it's TFES still. Negative utility upon death is pretty pro-scum (like Creature). I believe them in that they were gonna claim survivor and coast; very little town utility in that.

Plus the Elli kill before chesskid/Kagami even showed up makes a lot of sense from chesskid's perspective, assuming Elli or his program can accurately read chesskid. We haven't had any flips that really explain the Elli kill.

Edit: It sounds like Taro is a standard bodyguard. "If your target were to die at night, you die in their place". Bodyguards don't protect from kills like doctors do.

[Mathdino]

We haven't had any flips that really explain the Elli kill.

you're so focused on information that you use to justify yourself town

yet you ignore other simple information.

torn flipped ya dunce

I know. What reason would Toranaga have to be afraid of Elli?

[Mathdino]

If anyone remembers enough of Elli/beeboy's ISOs to figure out that NK, I'm all ears. But that hydra wasn't widely townread and the only reason I can think to use TornUp's kill on them is fear.

TFES makes the most sense from that angle. WhemePlay, Nosferatu, basically everyone else, doesn't.

[Mathdino]

For reference, fitz, there was a hydra consisting of Ellibereth/beeboy in the game. Their D1 ISO alone was worth 20 pages out of the 60 page day.

The scumteam used a crazy strongman kill on them N1 that erased their existence. The mod deleted all their posts, edited out any mentions of them, and removed them from the theme queue thread. All actions on them failed and people were given the message "That player doesn't exist". Which is pretty funny because I think 3 players targeted them.

I was barely paying attention to D1 so I don't remember any of what they were saying other than that I was townreading them (and they and OFG shut down the thread with an argument).

Edit: @Ginngie: They're not actually a survivor. Saying the earth is flat isn't their wincon, it was a made up wincon.

[Mathdino]

had nothing better to do to pass the time

still don't tbh

it's still likely TFES, kagami is perfectly capable of towning it up as scum

[Mathdino]

i'm 90% sure either NSG or whemeplay gave espeonage a post restriction to post a meme in every post

[Mathdino]

mfw the votecount reset
VOTE: TFES

also i really don't believe wheme's claim if it's not a fullclaim with flavour tbh

[Mathdino]

kagami only comes in and towns it up once you're the main suspect on the table for the lynch

that means very little to me

he did what he had to do to get the suspicion off him

[Mathdino]

was chethkid even back from barthelona

i'm referring to the walls TFES posted

all that said, i actually believe that all the negative utility shit that happens on TFES death is legit

so i'm good saving TFES for last if we're concerned about what happens after their death

but no one is voting anyone soooo

[Mathdino]

do we have the votes to lynch literally anyone

[Mathdino]

i think that plan relies on yume/taro both being town
i'm willing to believe that if yume confirms herself by shooting again (4 shot scum vig with a bodyguard is lolworthy)

OFG town, ginngie town, NSG likely town

so yeah i'm good with that

[Mathdino]

wait is that person even released if you die

[Mathdino]

no we lynch dino and vig us if he's town thanks.

then lynch fitz

pretty sure you're aware that if you argue your way out of a lynch (and thanks for showing up when you're on the stand once again)
fitz gets lynched next, not me

TFES is in no risk of the "vig TFES on dino townflip" ever actually happening lol

[Mathdino]

u gonna be gone loooong before my townflip tbh

[Mathdino]

yeah true game will prob be over before i'm next anyway

Edit: meh i'm good with vig going between me and fitz
both of us are completely useless right now

[Mathdino]

game is explicitly non-bastard IIRC

so OFG/Gin/NSG townbloc looks like

plus espe kept defending NSG for role related reasons

lynch/vig the rest and win

[Mathdino]

What a cheese game tbh

[Mathdino]

Role madness but scum can't perform a night action and do the factional kill

We had 3 scum who could do the kill at all

And I couldn't confirm my role when I had to be the one doing it

[Mathdino]

SK doing half the work for you while creature rolls scum and torn up claims scum

And Ginngie coming up with a lynch order that leads straight to a loss

While almost the entire town lurks it out in agony

Sorry I don't think anyone won this

I'm happy with a sk win

[Mathdino]

Taro literally the only way you could've won was to lynch Yume mechanically (even if she was a vig)

I talked to RC about this

Instead you lynched NSG :/

[Mathdino]

RC and I joked about Ginngie being our honorary 6th scum lol

[Mathdino]

RC and I joked about Ginngie being our honorary 6th scum lol

yeah it's not like I got 4 of you killed >_>

Your lynch order would've objectively been a loss if it weren't for Yume shooting me

SK carried

[Mathdino]

Taro literally the only way you could've won was to lynch Yume mechanically (even if she was a vig)

I talked to RC about this

Instead you lynched NSG :/

I could not have turned on Yume, it would look extremly weird at that point if I did. I hoped that she either lied about me dying for her with her kill or two her holstering because I acted too self sacrificing.

Whether or not you were capable of doing this is irrelevant
The fact is you HAD to or it would've been a loss 100% of the time

[Mathdino]

RC and I joked about Ginngie being our honorary 6th scum lol

yeah it's not like I got 4 of you killed >_>

Your lynch order would've objectively been a loss if it weren't for Yume shooting me

SK carried

Yume basically played as a town!vig this game so that's why?

Yume acting outside of that would have been a SK!claim

Regardless I still would have lynched you if you weren't dead at night so?

You had Whemeplay before me in the lynch order lol

[Mathdino]

Taro literally the only way you could've won was to lynch Yume mechanically (even if she was a vig)

I talked to RC about this

Instead you lynched NSG :/

I could not have turned on Yume, it would look extremly weird at that point if I did. I hoped that she either lied about me dying for her with her kill or two her holstering because I acted too self sacrificing.

Whether or not you were capable of doing this is irrelevant
The fact is you HAD to or it would've been a loss 100% of the time

I mean if wheme targetted Yume

Who knows

@Ginngie: tbh I didn't plan for Taro being completely unable to perform the NK

[Mathdino]

OK but calling people bad aside

How could I have played this game better

I wasn't aware of Creature's meta at all until after his lynch tbh :/

I thought he'd come back and get out of the lynch

[Mathdino]

I mean yes but the expectation was that Taro would control Yumes kill by force of personality

Taro letting 3 scum get shot was cheese

[Mathdino]

I could barely get my team to read the game with 60 pages

Honestly we killed ACB to make it easier on me, hindu and taro
And people were likely to use protection on him

Using the strongman kill on Yume seemed wrong play

[Mathdino]

Also d1 of this game is why we need geriatrics

Everything I said about large themes and the toxicity of the game was genuine

[Mathdino]

Tbh RC I assume team mafia starting was a major element

But the lack of votecounts, prods, speedy flips, and basic information like the math PT being permanently closed was a real issue in creating an enjoyable game to play

[Mathdino]

Like there were things that would legit have changed how I played the game

Also not knowing taro couldn't perform the kill :/

And not knowing creature was in my PT

[Mathdino]

OK yeah I figured this game was balanced around 33% town 33% mafia 33% sk

But if Yume was actually town I legit don't think this was fair to the scumteam

Lack of ability to action and perform factional kill in role madness is pretty meh

[Mathdino]

And lol if Ginngie were alone with Yume Ginngie could've just lynched Yume with her 1 vote and won

I was gonna argue that but lol sk win