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Post Post #100 (ISO) » Wed Sep 21, 2011 5:59 pm

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I'll indulge you.


Spoiler: Flavor
"Death to traitors!" yelled
[SleepyKrew]
, shaping his fingers into the shape of a gun and aiming at
[Otolia]
. The crowd instantly flew into an uproar. Fingers pointed at
[SleepyKrew]
and
[David Xanatos]
. "I am of House Keiger!"
[SleepKrew]
continued. "House Argelev seeks to overthrow their own rule! Declare yourselves and show your true allegiances!" he continued, grinning like a fool.

"Slander! How dare you accuse the honorable House Argelev of treason!"
[David Xanatos]
responded. The arguments of the crowd once again descended into unintelligible screaming.

"Ha! It was all part of my cunning plan to out the traitors!"
[SleepyKrew]
pointed his finger at
[David Xanatos]
accusingly. "Here is a
traitor
,
Herr Beran
!"

"Liar! Traitor!"
[David Xanatos]
seemed on the verge of launching himself at
[SleepyKrew]
.

"You're all idiots," groaned
[Otolia]
. "And that was some jest. That looked like a real weapon in the low light! House Delmar will expose you for what you are, traitor!"

"I agree that they are all idiots," said
[gandalf5166]
, "But I believe
[David Xanatos]
's loyalty is unquestionable."

"It's obvious, you fools,"
[Magua]
cut in, "
[David Xanatos] is a traitor. Such an overreaction to a simple jest. And [/i][Otolia]
must be a loyalist. Nevertheless, I must say that I believe the loyalties of
[SleepyKrew]
and
[JDGA]
to be up in the air..."

The
Beran
sat silent on the Burning Throne, expression unreadable.


Votecount 1.1


David Xanatos
(5)
:
Magua, SleepyKrew, tclawren, Nero Cain, David Xanatos
SleepyKrew
(4)
:
tclawren
, David Xanatos, kdowns, gandalf5166, JDGA
kdowns
(1)
:
EtherealCookie
gandalf5166
(0)
:
kdowns


Not Voting
(14)
:
Empking, Otolia, whispersilk, Bogre, manho, AGar, PeregrineV, StrangerCoug, monk, vezokpiraka, MattP, Shinki, samantha97, MacDougall

Deadline is
October 11, 2011


With 24 alive it takes
13
to lynch.


For those unfamiliar with my style of votecounts: Any slashed out names are PREVIOUS VOTES, in chronological order.

And for the record: "Loyalist" and "Allied with House Argelev" and the like are synonymous with Town. Loyalist is also the name for VT. Imagine that.

Also sorry David, but I use American spellings :P

I've decided to spoiler the flavor because I think the bright blue-black contrast looks bad.
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Post Post #101 (ISO) » Wed Sep 21, 2011 6:01 pm

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In post 17, David Xanatos wrote:Because you're taking a Day-Shot that may, depending on mechanics, end the day.

Doesn't matter. Scum know who other Scum are on their team.
Town are the uninformed majority, "knowing something we don't" is being an informed minority. The informed minority are the scum teams.
Negative Utilities are Town too, and can be directed in most cases I've seen.


I don't think SK was being serious with the shot, looks like a reaction test to me.

Your reaction was...talking about day-ending and... basically explaining the premise of mafia. Excessive pointless explanation.

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Post Post #102 (ISO) » Wed Sep 21, 2011 6:02 pm

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In post 28, Magua wrote:
tclawren is in a gray category. I'm *very* curious about:
tclawren wrote:NOW TAKE A LOOK UP AT THE PROVIDED VT PM AND GIVE ME A GOOD FUCKING REASON WHY WE SHOULDN'T LYNCH YOUR
FAIL 3RD PARTY ASS.


@tclawren:
Why did you write 3rd party instead of scum?


That's a good catch.

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Post Post #103 (ISO) » Wed Sep 21, 2011 6:03 pm

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To clarify.

I am a member of the House of Argalev. I am not a Loyalist, I am of the house itself. I come from the West, where I was trapped due to the last War.

PEdit: Bogre. He specifically said "What if", "What if", et cetera. Those were directed responses.
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Post Post #104 (ISO) » Wed Sep 21, 2011 6:03 pm

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Is there really anything to suggest that this layout is specifically scum vs. town? I am getting the feeling that there is far more to it than that. I am thinking that the scum are a hidden faction and Argelev and its dissidents are too busy at each others throats to notice.

I am of House Morvanus, oldest and most loyal to House Argelev. It is my duty to do my utmost to eliminate all threats to House Argelev. At this stage the greatest threat to House Argelev is very clearly the one who has painted the rightful heir to the throne as scum.

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Post Post #105 (ISO) » Wed Sep 21, 2011 6:06 pm

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@MOD: Can you confirm that in the case of PRs, it can follow the format of "You are Loyalist (Insert Role Name)"?

This is unclear in the sample PM.
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Post Post #106 (ISO) » Wed Sep 21, 2011 6:07 pm

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In post 103, David Xanatos wrote:To clarify.

I am a member of the House of Argalev. I am not a Loyalist, I am of the house itself. I come from the West, where I was trapped due to the last War.

PEdit: Bogre. He specifically said "What if", "What if", et cetera. Those were directed responses.

What is the exact wording of your PM ?
That's most likely to be forbidden by the rules :igmeou:

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MacDougall wrote:Is there really anything to suggest that this layout is specifically scum vs. town? I am getting the feeling that there is far more to it than that. I am thinking that the scum are a hidden faction and Argelev and its dissidents are too busy at each others throats to notice.

I am of House Morvanus, oldest and most loyal to House Argelev. It is my duty to do my utmost to eliminate all threats to House Argelev. At this stage the greatest threat to House Argelev is very clearly the one who has painted the rightful heir to the throne as scum.

vote: SleepyKrew

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Post Post #107 (ISO) » Wed Sep 21, 2011 6:08 pm

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In post 96, SodaSpirit17 wrote:Why are you asking me this if you think he's obvtown?


I ask you questions to determine your alignment, not his.

In post 97, David Xanatos wrote:
Magua > Care to explain how exactly?


You'll have to be more specific.

In post 98, JDGA wrote:And Magua, considering that SK's opening post was a fake daykill on someone just because he had a vendetta against them, I don't really see how you could apparently have "liked him already." I don't think I like your reads, period.


Which ones do you disagree with, exactly? Feel free to say "all of them" if you wish.

Otolia wrote:@Magua : I understand what SK tried to achievedand playing on the flavor when people haven't been introduced completely to the game is something I dissaprove of, but that's just me and it has nothing to do with alignment more with my personal enjoyment of a mafia game. On the other hand, SK did use allegedly a DayKill ability in his first post for (more than likely) out of the game reasons, it's normal that I take it personally since I was targeted.


If it was a real daykill, you'd have a legitimate grievance. It pretty much obviously wasn't a real daykill when he did it, and now that the mod has posted a votecount, it's confirmed not a real daykill.

Otolia wrote:The key point now is : Is House Argelev among us or is House Argelev an outside House that the townies have to protect by eliminating all threats to them ? Or is House Argelev many people who try to struggle for power while the Loyalists try to protect them all ? Answering this question should give us our first lynch of the game.


House Argelev is the town. I thought this was kind of obvious from the flavor and setup of the game, but whatevs. I suspect that a mass-House claim isn't going to be terribly useful to the Town, because the scum will be "traitors" within the Houses, maybe with some specific House goals to represent vendettas or something.
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Post Post #108 (ISO) » Wed Sep 21, 2011 6:09 pm

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@David Xanatos: That is correct. For example, "Town Roleblocker" would here be called "Loyalist Roleblocker"

You're right, I should have clarified that in the original post. I will modify that to reflect it.
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Post Post #109 (ISO) » Wed Sep 21, 2011 6:12 pm

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In post 107, Magua wrote:House Argelev is the town. I thought this was kind of obvious from the flavor and setup of the game, but whatevs. I suspect that a mass-House claim isn't going to be terribly useful to the Town, because the scum will be "traitors" within the Houses, maybe with some specific House goals to represent vendettas or something.

Can you please play along. I have something in mind and since you consider me as town, you have no reasons not to state your House Name and any kind of flavor that does not reveal your role.
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Post Post #110 (ISO) » Wed Sep 21, 2011 6:12 pm

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Otolia > If there's a specific part you are interested in, particularly if it's flavour related, I can doubtless paraphrase it. I'd run whatever I post in that respect past Wraith first though.

Magua > Given that SK and Otolia have/had an issue that actually arose in the signup thread, it was perfectly reasonable in my eyes that, had he drawn the role, he'd do something like that to spite Otolia. I fail to see how my reaction to the potential waste of what could have been one of our strongest assets is bad.

@Mod: Thanks. I feel rather foolish now, but at least we have clarification now.
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Post Post #111 (ISO) » Wed Sep 21, 2011 6:16 pm

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In post 106, Otolia wrote:
In post 103, David Xanatos wrote:To clarify.

I am a member of the House of Argalev. I am not a Loyalist, I am of the house itself. I come from the West, where I was trapped due to the last War.

PEdit: Bogre. He specifically said "What if", "What if", et cetera. Those were directed responses.

What is the exact wording of your PM ?
That's most likely to be forbidden by the rules :igmeou:

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MacDougall wrote:Is there really anything to suggest that this layout is specifically scum vs. town? I am getting the feeling that there is far more to it than that. I am thinking that the scum are a hidden faction and Argelev and its dissidents are too busy at each others throats to notice.

I am of House Morvanus, oldest and most loyal to House Argelev. It is my duty to do my utmost to eliminate all threats to House Argelev. At this stage the greatest threat to House Argelev is very clearly the one who has painted the rightful heir to the throne as scum.

vote: SleepyKrew

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Post Post #112 (ISO) » Wed Sep 21, 2011 6:17 pm

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Original post example PMs have been modified. The example role may or may not be in this game :twisted:
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Post Post #113 (ISO) » Wed Sep 21, 2011 6:18 pm

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In post 110, David Xanatos wrote:Otolia > If there's a specific part you are interested in, particularly if it's flavour related, I can doubtless paraphrase it. I'd run whatever I post in that respect past Wraith first though.

Magua > Given that SK and Otolia have/had an issue that actually arose in the signup thread, it was perfectly reasonable in my eyes that, had he drawn the role, he'd do something like that to spite Otolia. I fail to see how my reaction to the potential waste of what could have been one of our strongest assets is bad.

@Mod: Thanks. I feel rather foolish now, but at least we have clarification now.

Then try to paraphrase everything that isn't related to abilities or alignment (and not in italic)
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Post Post #114 (ISO) » Wed Sep 21, 2011 6:20 pm

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In post 102, Bogre wrote:
In post 28, Magua wrote:
tclawren is in a gray category. I'm *very* curious about:
tclawren wrote:NOW TAKE A LOOK UP AT THE PROVIDED VT PM AND GIVE ME A GOOD FUCKING REASON WHY WE SHOULDN'T LYNCH YOUR
FAIL 3RD PARTY ASS.


@tclawren:
Why did you write 3rd party instead of scum?


That's a good catch.

I want that explained.


Try looking immediately after it:

In post 32, tclawren wrote:@Magua: if he was scum and had a qt he would know better than to claim that loyalists are scum. i presume that only a 3rd party that misread his pm would make that mistake.

in other news

UNVOTE:
VOTE: DavidX

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It
was
sorta sitting right there.

In post 107, Magua wrote:
In post 98, JDGA wrote:And Magua, considering that SK's opening post was a fake daykill on someone just because he had a vendetta against them, I don't really see how you could apparently have "liked him already." I don't think I like your reads, period.


Which ones do you disagree with, exactly? Feel free to say "all of them" if you wish.

Otolia wrote:@Magua : I understand what SK tried to achievedand playing on the flavor when people haven't been introduced completely to the game is something I dissaprove of, but that's just me and it has nothing to do with alignment more with my personal enjoyment of a mafia game. On the other hand, SK did use allegedly a DayKill ability in his first post for (more than likely) out of the game reasons, it's normal that I take it personally since I was targeted.


If it was a real daykill, you'd have a legitimate grievance. It pretty much obviously wasn't a real daykill when he did it, and now that the mod has posted a votecount, it's confirmed not a real daykill.

Otolia wrote:The key point now is : Is House Argelev among us or is House Argelev an outside House that the townies have to protect by eliminating all threats to them ? Or is House Argelev many people who try to struggle for power while the Loyalists try to protect them all ? Answering this question should give us our first lynch of the game.


House Argelev is the town. I thought this was kind of obvious from the flavor and setup of the game, but whatevs. I suspect that a mass-House claim isn't going to be terribly useful to the Town, because the scum will be "traitors" within the Houses, maybe with some specific House goals to represent vendettas or something.


1) Pretty much all of them, although I see kdowns as town as well. It also doesn't help that...
2) I didn't see any reason to believe that SK's fakekill wasn't a real daykill at the time.
1) So your reads on David and Otolia don't really make sense, as it wasn't obvious at all that the daykill was a fake. SK's gambit wasn't exactly a gambit so much as just stupid, and obviously I disagree with your read on me due to the fact that I said I was going to make a votecount for myself.
3) Why are you so certain that the scum are traitors as opposed to a separate House altogether? It's not that difficult for them to lie about which House they are v_v

When you recall that
scum can daytalk
, and your apparent knowledge of "obvious" information that wasn't obvious at all (see points 2 and 3), I'm starting to very strongly doubt your alignment. My vote stays, however, as you're much less likely to be scum if SK isn't also scum.
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Post Post #115 (ISO) » Wed Sep 21, 2011 6:20 pm

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In post 111, MacDougall wrote:
We have been an honorable liege to the rightful ruler for longer than any other. Our resolve cannot be questioned. In answer for your request of what lands we hold, the land is known as Anoria. The people, Anorians.

Alright thank you.
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Post Post #116 (ISO) » Wed Sep 21, 2011 6:28 pm

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In post 109, Otolia wrote:Can you please play along. I have something in mind and since you consider me as town, you have no reasons not to state your House Name and any kind of flavor that does not reveal your role.


You being town and you being correct are two *wildly* different concepts.

In post 110, David Xanatos wrote:
Magua > Given that SK and Otolia have/had an issue that actually arose in the signup thread, it was perfectly reasonable in my eyes that, had he drawn the role, he'd do something like that to spite Otolia. I fail to see how my reaction to the potential waste of what could have been one of our strongest assets is bad.


I've already stated the reasons that I don't think your reaction was town. Flipflop on the your reaction of the kill ending the day or not, along with the outright "you just became today's lynch" rather than waiting to see what Otolia's flip was going to be.

JDGA wrote:
2) I didn't see any reason to believe that SK's fakekill wasn't a real daykill at the time.


# of "Daykill: X" posts I have seen in, oh, the first 5 pages of a game: 6
# of *real* daykills I have seen in the first 5 pages of a game: 0

Now, given that your join date is 2007, my counterquestion to you is, "Why did you think it *was* real daykill?"

JDGA wrote:1) So your reads on David and Otolia don't really make sense, as it wasn't obvious at all that the daykill was a fake. SK's gambit wasn't exactly a gambit so much as just stupid, and obviously I disagree with your read on me due to the fact that I said I was going to make a votecount for myself.


I have no read on you. I found what you said to be odd. See also: tclawren calling SK third party.

JDGA wrote:3) Why are you so certain that the scum are traitors as opposed to a separate House altogether? It's not that difficult for them to lie about which House they are v_v


I'm not certain, hence usage of the word "suspect."

JDGA wrote:When you recall that scum can daytalk, and your apparent knowledge of "obvious" information that wasn't obvious at all (see points 2 and 3), I'm starting to very strongly doubt your alignment. My vote stays, however, as you're much less likely to be scum if SK isn't also scum.


Loyalist meaning town is obvious. Find someone other than David Xanatos who doesn't think it is. As for your calling my setup suspicions scummy, that's fine; you assuming SK's daykill was real until proven otherwise with a 2007 join date is scummy in return.
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Post Post #117 (ISO) » Wed Sep 21, 2011 6:31 pm

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Magua, you're ignoring the fact I assumed it to mean VANILLA TOWN, due to the first post's Sample PM. It was a rather specific misunderstanding that has now been clarified in the first post.

Otolia > I am Moran Argelev. I was born and trapped in the West by the outbreak of the Great War, unknown to the rest of the klan. I crossed into the Imperium mere days ago and now march on the capital, Orogoth.
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Post Post #118 (ISO) » Wed Sep 21, 2011 6:34 pm

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Oh, and Magua. As I stated, numerous times, Daykills can end the day, but it's down to Mod's preference. I admit a slight overreaction, but to accuse me of "flip-flopping" after I explained this before is simply making me think you're skimming.
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Post Post #119 (ISO) » Wed Sep 21, 2011 6:36 pm

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You have said these things, yes.
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Post Post #120 (ISO) » Wed Sep 21, 2011 6:39 pm

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And to address the "not waiting". Either way I'd consider it scummy. Either it's a completely wasted shot, which is suspect at the best of times, or I would personally be under the impression of an insta-bus/kill, given the apparent bad blood between them. If he wanted to WOTC him, I can't see him working with him on a scumteam quietly.
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Post Post #121 (ISO) » Wed Sep 21, 2011 6:40 pm

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I really, really need to get to sleep now. 3 hours sleep time left >_<

Any further points, I'll address in the morning.
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Post Post #122 (ISO) » Wed Sep 21, 2011 6:41 pm

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In post 116, Magua wrote:
In post 109, Otolia wrote:Can you please play along. I have something in mind and since you consider me as town, you have no reasons not to state your House Name and any kind of flavor that does not reveal your role.

You being town and you being correct are two *wildly* different concepts.

I may be not right but I'd like your House name and any information that you could afford to say. David Xanatos did it so why wouldn't you ?
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Post Post #123 (ISO) » Wed Sep 21, 2011 6:46 pm

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I'm House Argelev.
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Post Post #124 (ISO) » Wed Sep 21, 2011 7:03 pm

Post by gandalf5166 »

PLEASE STOP HOUSE CLAIMING.

House Argelev is central to my wincon, I'm sure there are more dangerous roles for whom it is the same. Yes, I am not strictly town(although I am for the moment). The rightful heirs to the throne are all males of House Argelev. My role DOES say that all heirs to the throne are town. There are traitors within the house, but all the rightful heirs are town. And my role suggests that scum may have an alternate wincon of killing off all the heirs. So please stop.
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