Tyrene Sand wrote:
I think Magua is town. While that post is heavily lacking, I can see the way he achieved some of the non-obvious reads. The main thing I dislike s the way some of his reads are connected without substance; going over his read on me, for example, you'd expect him to develop the Regfan line more, but you go back to Regfan and it's just an empty loop. However, I do understand how he's getting the read he has on me, and it's called Paranoia Mafia, where I was scum and was blatantly calling out town on not knowing their own role PMs. There's an issue here, Magua--in Paranoia, I was clearly not giving a damn about the players' motivations in doing Stupid Shit. Here I've been trying to reason them out and making up my mind about it.
The Paranoia Mafia reference is apt. It's the angle of your attacks. In Paranoia, you were all, "Town would never misread their PM like that," and pushed the wagon based on that, knowing full well that that was pretty much exactly what had actually happened. Here, in regards to Saporerint, you're all, "Town would never send that PM," and I am seeing it line up the same way.
As for Regfan: I'm not bothering to read Regfan. Not kidding about the MoI resemblance -- I'll lynch him if he's still around D4. Unless MoI is also still around D4, in which case he gets lynched first.
MagnaofIllusion wrote:In regards to the bolded … remind me again what recent game it was we were NOT Hydraing together in and we debated whether a scum-slip was valid and whoever it was flipped scum and I was right and all in your face about it. I’m being lazy but am pretty sure this actually happened and I’m not imagining it.
Captain Ajax in Scummies.
I'll happily repeat what I said there: He didn't "slip." He was scum, and he got attacked for something (changed read on Fonz IIRC), but those two facts are not cause/effect. D1 attacks are bullshit anyways (as a contra-example, I remember people crowing about your "slip" in ASOIAF, eg, but you were town).
MagnaofIllusion wrote:Would you not have assessed Snowstorm’s play as very similar (too defensive and not worried about finding scum)? Because at a gut level I’m not getting Jal-scum (yes, I am not really reading her that closely) and wonder if this is a “Westros import” symptom.
Can't *really* compare, as I haven't read Snowstorm in D1 and don't really care to at this point. But on a rough guess, Jal *feels* like a Westeros import, whereas Snowstorm seems like a new player (that is, new entirely, not new from somewhere else), so I would have different expectations.
Regfan wrote:Magua, explain to me why Shinori revealing whatever information he has now is dumb because I don't see it that way at all.
Really surprised to see you say this. I'll take it slow, so you can tell me where you fall off.
- Shinori's information is not a straight up guilty, else he would've outted it.
- If Shinori's information is a straight up innocent, he should not out it (it's not due to the questions he's been asking, but I'm just being complete here)
- So Shinori's information is of an imprecise form, either of a pseudo nature ("I roleblocked X and there was a missing kill", "I saved X and there was a missing kill," etc), or of the form "One of X, Y, Z is scum."
In all those cases, given that Shinori will be alive tomorrow, there's zero reason to out it today. Outting it doesn't help, but does give scum the ability to plan around the information (shoot/not shoot someone depending) because they have more information than we do so can make more use of whatever it is that Shinori knows. Especially given multiball, I do not want to do anything that might reduce the chance of crosskills.
As for reading you: I'll read you D4. Either I can go to the OP and look at the deadlist, or I'll say "Regfan is alive D4, scum." Easy peasy.
Benmage wrote:Magua, how do you not have me as the townest of the town?? You know Faraday hates me right?
So far, the two times I've been town with you, I've seen you govern scum in lylo, and counterclaim a cop as VT and get them lynched.
So I'm actually scared of the possibility that you might be town.
Jal wrote:I've said what I want to say about DCL scum. Those Stannis-aligned are few. There's a decent chance all Stannis scum were on his bandwagon at least at the very end given the a) Inevitability b) The vengeful mechanic c) He was only a goon. It really just comes down to the experience and skill of Stannis-aligned. Other than Edd's sorry-ass attempts to call DCL town, there weren't a lot of people really sticking out their necks to defend DCL. I'm going to guess at the very least lot of distancing was involved or non-mentioning when the votes started accumulating, and mainly by DCL himself.
This sort of generalization (Stannis are in this group) is not useful. Useful is saying who in that group you actually think is Stannis.
Jal wrote:Also, I'm not from westeros (the site).
Have you played mafia before mafiascum.net? If so, where/how long?
