Touhou UPick 3 - [Game Over]

[Katsuki]

Katsuki can also pick to become Godfather I think

are Godfathers explictly Normal?

I was under the impression that I could only use active roles. That means I could've been a doublevoter too...

[FakeGod]

what's the point of being a doublevoter during the night

[The_Relentless]

I was also under the impression that we could only use active roles

and if not godfather for only one night is pretty lame and if it was permanent that not very intuitive

weird-ass role

[The_Relentless]

tfw no GF

[Kagami]

I get the impression you guys didn't talk much during night 1.

Sakura knew that the yukari of last game, who had the same role, could be a godfather.

[FakeGod]

Borders and Boundaries

- You are Normal Jack of All Trades. You may use any Normal role's power during the Night Phase. You cannot use the same role more than once in this game.

I'll make it clearer next time then.

[Sky_Paladin]

For my own play, I wish I had walled less on day 1. I legitimately thought I had been dayvigged and was :v I can't believe it. On Shrine Maiden, I used to wall a lot, but I found that players would rarely read it and I was just wasting my time. It's my fallback when I panic to just write a heap of stuff and seize anything that looks tangible. It's a bad habit I need to get out of. Especially on day 1 when there's really nothing to go with, huge walls aren't effective or necessary.

I haven't played in such a large game for a very long time, maybe five years. It was hard for me to get to grips with so many players - I prefer going head to head with one or two players at a time, get a feel for how they are arguing, and decide if they are town/scum based on their merit. I do consider wagon analysis and I do consider flip associations. I tend to hate on players that sit on the fence or can't provide a basis for their reads, and in my experience this is more accurate. This is why I continued to try and pressure Ank to do something, because he was being vague for no reason.

I regret lynching Drezi when in hindsight there was a perfectly viable scum counterwagon >_>

I don't regret the Gaiden vig although it was a wasted shot. If he was around day 3-4 he would have been a viable scum directed mislynch.

I think copping SB was not a bad option. I didn't consider the likelihood of a second cop ALSO checking SB - I thought other players (Ooba/myself/Sakura) were likely to draw a cop.

My vote cancel card was evidently to counter Sakura, who I couldn't vig. However after Sakura died, I didn't see how to use it. I could have used it defensively to stop a Shadoweh who was threatening to auto-lynch me, but I'm sure town would have lynched me in that case.

Overall I was surprised that the scum team basically had nothing to work with. They had no viable answer to Rylai's N1 cards and town had three guaranteed town-controlled lynches. I would have expected five scum in this set up. I think some players had way too many things to pick from while other players had basically nothing. I appreciate the idea of giving more powerful characters more powerful abilities, however there does exist the option of EX-mode characters, and the difference between quality and quantity.

There was some confusion over spell cards not counting as visits/some abilities being usable with cards and others being not usable etc. I think this should have been clarified at game start, and I think spell cards should have counted as visits, especially with the presence of Rylai's "Here are the scum" spell card. With eight interactions to pick from instead of just four, we may not have looked so closely at the two most suspicious ones because there would have been more interactions to report. Ank not getting a report because Kilga didn't "visit" was another example.

That said, apart from Dan, the scum team were not caught out by roles. Ooba/Katsuki both replaced into slots that had been partially compromised by their predecessors. And Sakura was, in hindsight, starting to be scum read by a lot of the players, and after my dive, I think there would have been a good chance she would be the ordinary lynch of day 2. It was just lucky we had a vig up our sleeves.

Overall it was a fun game, and if players had fun, that's the point of it. I'm disappointed the scum QT wasn't shared but, anticipating it's just pages of people ranting at me, I'm okay not to see it.

Thanks for playing everybody, I hope to see all of you around again at some point and some place.

[Sky_Paladin]

Actually that said, I noticed that the scum team

overall

hated on me quite a lot throughout the game. Is it just my imagination? Was there some particular reason for this?

[The_Relentless]

you're an easy target B)

[FakeGod]

Youmu was, as you said, a fairly mid-game oriented role in this game, where you're looking to survive early on to let your powers clear your slot, with added bonus if you make it to LyLo.

d1 is the most dangerous phase for Youmu for many, many reasons, and I was surprised that you drew so much attention to yourself via walling it up in the thread early.

[Sky_Paladin]

It wasn't intentional. I'm just stupid!

[Kagami]

I thought almost all the town did a great job of being town on day 1. I think scum were in trouble even without the roles.

[Sakura Hana]

Sakura knew that the yukari of last game, who had the same role, could be a godfather.

Huh? there was a yukari last game?

[FakeGod]

yup

[Ankamius]

This is why I continued to try and pressure Ank to do something, because he was being vague for no reason.

Playstyle incompatibility.

[Kagami]

Sakura knew that the yukari of last game, who had the same role, could be a godfather.

Huh? there was a yukari last game?

that's why your role that game was terrible, all the scumteam was either a GF or investigation immune (and your vig would be blocked iff it was aimed at scum)

[Sakura Hana]

My role last game i couldn't even vote :<

[Ankamius]

Oh right I was going to take my mask off.

[Shadoweh]

I think the major problem with gut reads is that they do little to nothing in the way of convincing other people. By and large, no townie is an island; what good are correct reads if no one listens to you?

That's what 5-vote spellcards are for! Now I'm really sad that I didn't just Master Spark Katsuki when Kagami voted him :<
It would have helped if you'd claimed an action less obviously awful then "I hid behind the person who just hammered two scum". I'm glad that Rylai listened to my insistence, I thought the distracting arguments were getting quite silly and Katsuki basically had to be lynched before we could progress. Also if Sky Paladin looked like he was going to be lynched I was fully committing to hammering any other wagon, I'm very sad that didn't happen Day 1 also. I would have liked that 6-vig card...

Also also: The Relentless was one of our better players. I tried very hard not to suspect he said fuck it when his partner replaced out and he was stuck as scum with no daytalk (which if I had noticed would have been a dealbreaker for me, no daytalk is satanic Fakegod why did you do this to them?) I was iffy on joining until I saw the 8-day deadlines. This was a lot of fun! I really enjoyed making fun of Dan all day. Man, poor Dan. I haven't seen him play that well since his first games.

[Kilgamayan]

Kilga we should play again. I think we could really do some work in other games.

I would be glad to! I have to admit that Mafia is only a once-in-a-while thing for me at this point in life, though. (Full-time job + part-time job + three musical group commitments will do that to a person.) I'll definitely always at least make time for Touhou games - it looks like these are run about once every eight months or so? - but beyond that, I'd need to see some flavor I really like before I'd considering joining.

[GuyInFreezer]

I would reveal my choices but I forgot.

[Katsuki]

I think the major problem with gut reads is that they do little to nothing in the way of convincing other people. By and large, no townie is an island; what good are correct reads if no one listens to you?

That's what 5-vote spellcards are for! Now I'm really sad that I didn't just Master Spark Katsuki when Kagami voted him :<
It would have helped if you'd claimed an action less obviously awful then "I hid behind the person who just hammered two scum". I'm glad that Rylai listened to my insistence, I thought the distracting arguments were getting quite silly and Katsuki basically had to be lynched before we could progress. Also if Sky Paladin looked like he was going to be lynched I was fully committing to hammering any other wagon, I'm very sad that didn't happen Day 1 also. I would have liked that 6-vig card...

Also also: The Relentless was one of our better players. I tried very hard not to suspect he said fuck it when his partner replaced out and he was stuck as scum with no daytalk (which if I had noticed would have been a dealbreaker for me, no daytalk is satanic Fakegod why did you do this to them?) I was iffy on joining until I saw the 8-day deadlines. This was a lot of fun! I really enjoyed making fun of Dan all day. Man, poor Dan. I haven't seen him play that well since his first games.

I would've totally hid behind you as town in that situation. = =b

Which is probably why I shouldn'tve claimed that as scum but at that point I didn't really care (wasn't til later in the day I started trying). Not to mention, there wasn't anyone else I could claim without restricting my options.
Plus, I would totally powerbus two buddies if I had a card like that.

[Kilgamayan]

Ah, forgot to response to this.

I hope you guys had fun, dear friends of Shadoweh.

Most definitely! Thanks again for your hard work. o/

[Sakura Hana]

Fun fact:
My first choice was Shikieki
My second choice was Sakuya, did it only to be in neighborhood with pie and notty, didnt expect to roll scum tho.
Forgot my other 2.

[zMuffinMan]

Picks

SXTLHGaiden - futo, nue, Suika, Yuyuko
GuyInFreezer - Lily White
zMuffinMan - eirin, seija, parsee, yuugi, kanako
Sakura Hana - Eiki, Sakuya, Miko, Sanae
pieguyn - remilia
notscience - flan remi troll chen
Ankamius - Momiji Inubashiri, Koishi Komeiji, Tewi Inaba, Tenshi Hinanawi, Genjii
Drezi - Tewi Inaba, Mystia Lorelei, Tenshi Hinanawi, Sakuya Izayoi
ActionDan - Eiki, Yuyuko, Marisa, Tenshi
Shadoweh - KAZAMI YOOKA, Alice Margatroid, Seiga Kaku, Koishi, Yukari
thdgkdms - Lily White/Black, Tokiko, Momiji Inubashiri, Iku Nagae
SB - Patchouli Knowledge, Yukari Yakumo, Suwako Moriya, Kogasa Tatara
Sky_Paladin - Konpaku Youmu, Yakumo Yukari, Yakumo Ran, Cirno
Serenes Forest - Nue, Parsee, Miko, Satori, Kasen, Mamizou
Kilgamayan - Aya, Kasen, Iku, nitori
Rylai Crestfall - Byakuren, Cirno, Letty, Lily Black
The_Relentless - Patchouli Knowledge, Yukari Yakumo, Mononobe no Futo, Raiko Horikawa
Malakittens - Kasen Ibakira, Luna, Okuu, Marisa
Kagami - kogasa, alice, sunnymilk, marisa

i like how pieguy submitted one name