Nightingale's Tale - [Game Over]

[zMuffinMan]

that second line is messed up because i sleepy but the key thing is fakegod bad role designer

[Brian Skies]

Eg asking noddy to vote him on p6 to confirm gif scum which, apart from making no sense, felt oddly forced

You mean where Gif and I were talking about the same superficial scumtell (as in scum being the third person on a wagon; it's also not the first time we've danced around stuff you can find on the wiki)?

which wouldn't be that strange except for the fact that he had a lot more to say about others in the game at the time

As opposed to the handful of players I mentioned with as few words in the same post (and the same paragraph apparently)? And it was a post I threw out there because I wasn't around and felt like contributing.

(a) noddy chose to vanillarise him (and why N1 when he clearly wasn't an immediate threat via claim, if a threat at all)

I don't have a response to this because it doesn't make any sense to me either.

(b) that Brian's read progression on noddy is believable

I'd respond to this, but I don't know what the issue is.

i'm not sure i would have assumed fakegod the vanillarise was related to the neighbourise

I actually considered it and it's why I asked Notty if his role had a side effect. But he told me there wasn't one and he told me he was just a neighborizer. I thought his night actions would be able to indicate if it was related to his role (and it's not like other players were claiming to be vanillarized or neighborized or anything). For the most part, I was assuming being targeted by both night actions were a coincidence because Notty and I hydra together (the neighborize) and I was blatantly claiming a power role (the vanillarize).

[Brian Skies]

hey brian, you around?
i has question, when did you learn you were vanillaized?

I wasn't going to answer this because many of the answers to the questions you've been asking me can be found in my iso, but considering you're not reading my posts and committing yourself to asking these redundant questions, I guess I'll just oblige you with a response.

I learned I was vanillarized about midway through Night 1. I often check the site without logging in and I wasn't expecting anything like being neighborized during the night phase. However, both notifications of me being vanillarized and neighborized were sent to me immediately after FakeGod closed the thread for the start of Night 1. They were sent to me as different PM's, and I'm assuming it's because FakeGod wanted to keep the two actions separated for whatever reason. There were also some PM's about Ceph replacing Bork, but after rereading the Dreamworld topic, I'm not sure Bork's replacement even sunk in for me at the time and I may have been mostly focused on the sudden realization of being vanillarized and neighborized.

[zMuffinMan]

You mean where Gif and I were talking about the same superficial scumtell (as in scum being the third person on a wagon; it's also not the first time we've danced around stuff you can find on the wiki)?

i was more talking about the fact that you asked noddy specifically

As opposed to the handful of players I mentioned with as few words in the same post (and the same paragraph apparently)?

well yeah, but i thought you'd have more to say about noddy given you have more history with him than others

which reminds me, the way you started the paragraph you mentioned both noddy and nati, "oh, who else is in this game?" was part of what stuck out to me

[zMuffinMan]

to clarify, it would make sense that you asked noddy specifically if you were overly conscious about him

this isn't something i'm expecting you to rebut or anything btw, i'm just saying this is something i'm thinking about atm

[FakeGod]

VoteCount 9.2

Brian Skies [1] - SXTLHGaiden
SXTLHGaiden [1] - Brian Skies

No Lynch [1] - Oversoul

Not Voting [1]

- zMuffinMan

With 4 alive it takes 3 to lynch

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Deadline is July 29, 2015, at Noon PST.
Countdown to deadline: (expired on 2015-07-29 13:00:00)

[FakeGod]

Night Nine

[FakeGod]

Oversoul, who was

Dinah

,

Saint

, and

Town

Vanilla Townie

, has been

killed

in

Night 9

.

[FakeGod]

Day Ten

[FakeGod]

VoteCount 10.0

Not Voting [3]

- zMuffinMan, Brian Skies, SXTLHGaiden

With 3 alive it takes 2 to lynch

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Deadline is August 8, 2015, at Noon PST.
Countdown to deadline: (expired on 2015-08-08 13:00:00)

[SXTLHGaiden]

well then.

[zMuffinMan]

[zMuffinMan]

whatevs

im not a huge fan of making decisions

ideally i would want this day phase decided with you two going head to head in an epic rap battle that will be remembered for years to come

but failing that, i will do some reading and listen to whatever cases either of you wants to put forward on the other

Note: said cases will be significantly more likely to be listened to if they involve things of real world value, like money, gold, diamonds and nude pictures of nacho

[Brian Skies]

i was more talking about the fact that you asked noddy specifically

I thought he was around because I saw him post earlier. I could have asked Sakura except she was already voting me.

well yeah, but i thought you'd have more to say about noddy given you have more history with him than others

Spoiler:

also was kind of hoping you'd have a stronger opinion on noddy than the one you have

I think he's town. I think he's consistently shown flashes of his town game here, but I'm keeping an eye on him because he almost snowed me in the last game we played together. I'm also not a fan of the people that have been pushing his wagon ([Delectable Pastry Impersonator], Kagami, Grapes, maybe Nacho who I still think might be town). Should I be shooting some fireworks or warning flares or something?

Yes, I was going to explain to some great lengths as to why I thought he was town, but the more I think about it and write it out, it's a pretty soft read and I don't have anything concrete to back it up. I'm mostly skeptical of the people pushing him (and by people I mean you) and I share in his distrust of the TTH slot. As far as being able to fake reads goes, I think it's something he's capable of doing as scum, I just thought some of his observations and the way he's been carrying himself could be more indicative of town Notty.

Your response to Mac here does make me feel better about you though and I agree that scum Notty doesn't deal very well with pressure. It's something I'm keeping note of as the game goes along because I know scum Notty will struggle to keep up. But it's one of those things where I know you're expecting him to do certain things and I feel it's possible he's just being patient like he was in Advance Wars.

which reminds me, the way you started the paragraph you mentioned both noddy and nati, "oh, who else is in this game?" was part of what stuck out to me

Not to channel my inner Mollie or anything, but I find it interesting that both of the flipped scum ended up being players I thought were fading into the background for me early on. Guess who else was in that group for me?

ideally i would want this day phase decided with you two going head to head in an epic rap battle that will be remembered for years to come

but failing that, i will do some reading and listen to whatever cases either of you wants to put forward on the other

I'm not in a position to convince you with...those particular items of value. So I guess I'll have to consider going the other route you just provided us.

[zMuffinMan]

if Brian is town, that Salamence wagon would be entirely town on town

[zMuffinMan]

Why would scum-brian claim D5 IC under very little pressure?

to survive until the endgame?

heh

[zMuffinMan]

Well I suppose Sala wagon (or any wagon really) being entirely town wouldn't be strange if scum either weren't around or were intentionally not voting (like noddy / gaiden) so maybe Sala thingy is a moot point

[zMuffinMan]

The dead thread is probably raging that I'm not seeing something that should be incredibly obvious

[zMuffinMan]

I'm leaning towards voting gaiden atm

[zMuffinMan]

Neither of you look particularly good via interactions

Based on play, I can see some things in Brian's posts that ring genuine and I'm struggling to find anything similar in gaiden's posts

I'm also loosely basing it on who was killed at night and what their reads were and a majority of them were either ambivalent about or scum reading gaiden (with the exception of kagami who seemed to have at least a minor town read on gaiden for the way he interacted with the nati wagon but I'm not all that convinced it was a strong point)

[SXTLHGaiden]

hi muffin, how goes it?

[zMuffinMan]

It's not exactly helping things when it looks like neither of you really give a shit about this game anymore though

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[zMuffinMan]

Took fucking ages to write that standing up on te train and you ruined the magic

[SXTLHGaiden]

i pretty much said what i wanted to yesterday.

[zMuffinMan]

Meh it'd be cool if either of you were like "hey muffin, seen this thing? it looks pretty damning imo" or something that made me feel a little better about where to place my vote