Trouble in The Cougar's Den (Game over!)

[Cerberus v666]

Lol, I added stuff and messed stuff up.

The "I've" is at the start of the next paragraph/sentence.

[Antihero]

i'm just glad i got to lull ank into a false sense of security

[TheWayItEnds]

the entire scumteam got themselves lynched in 5 days but i played terribly.

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[Cerberus v666]

Our team was horrible, and I freely admit that. That doesn't magically make your lurksack play actually good.

[Spiffeh]

As long as we all agree I was the MVP of this game everyone wins!

[Antihero]

Just a note, btw, to heartless and spiffeh: The same setup spec which indicated a 75% chance of a bulletproof being scum(which was right), indicated there was a 75% of the extra kill being a vig(which was wrong). It was quite literally dumb luck that the half of the spec that turned out to be correct was the part related to our slot.

don't be sour grapes. there's more to setup spec than JUST mod meta.

regardless of twie's alignment, there was still the fact that the bomb and the extra kill were huge, swingy factors that the scumteam had to have a way to gate them since the gates certainly weren't on the town side.

disregarding sc's meta, a 5 man scumteam against the 6 hypothetical pr's kind of doesn't look right and i'm a little embarrassed i didn't think of that. i messed up on that part.

[pisskop]

I simply love it when smug losers tell people they played like shit

[pisskop]

Directed at Cerbrus the poor sport.

[Antihero]

As long as we all agree I was the MVP of this game everyone wins!

i could agree with that.

really a lot of townies did a great job of making themselves obvtown and you were definitely one of them + you had awesome reads.

^5

[Antihero]

as much shit as i gave ceph, he played a really good game.

sorry man.

[TheWayItEnds]

Our team was horrible, and I freely admit that. That doesn't magically make your lurksack play actually good.

my lurksack play where i stay above being lynchable and below the line of ever considering to nk me where I claim vig like ive been setting up for all game and everyone believes me?

i dunno it sorta looked like it worked.

did it account for the worst scumteam ive ever seen?

no. but my play was fine.

[Cerberus v666]

Our BP wouldn't have worked against the bomb, so......yeah.

And no, predictable mod meta is a really really stupid thing to be lynched over. ^^ I will gladly be irritated about that, because there was nothing we could have done to argue against it. *shrug* You have objective empirical evidence that there is a 75% chance that a bulletproof is scum in a SC game, so that's a thing, and it was the strongest point your spec had going for it. We're pretty good at crapping all over speculation, but when you show up with actual evidence, there's not anything to do against that wouldn't be terribly disingenuous for the way we play at least.

pedit: *sigh* Don't presume to know what my motivations are for anything I do or say. I'm expressing facts about optimal play, and I expressly said that I threw the game. My suckiness because I was inactive still doesn't make other peoples play competent.

[TheWayItEnds]

im playing an SK without any of nk protection.

I literally cant be front and center ever because its risking the game to do so.

I have another SK game where i played town as fuck because i had a 1 shot BP.

[Spiffeh]

As long as we all agree I was the MVP of this game everyone wins!

i could agree with that.

really a lot of townies did a great job of making themselves obvtown and you were definitely one of them + you had awesome reads.

^5

Lol I was kidding you obviously played the best

I was nonexistent for a lot of the game

[Cerberus v666]

Our team was horrible, and I freely admit that. That doesn't magically make your lurksack play actually good.

my lurksack play where i stay above being lynchable and below the line of ever considering to nk me where I claim vig like ive been setting up for all game and everyone believes me?

i dunno it sorta looked like it worked.

did it account for the worst scumteam ive ever seen?

no. but my play was fine.

Whether or not it worked is irrelevant. Your in thread play was a shitty way to play the game. Your kills were okay, though the LQ one was terrible for the reasons I gave in the game, but not giving yourself the best shot at a win by allowing yourself to either claim compulsive and leave us alive so you could shoot us and thus not cost the town anything, or by just not claiming compulsive and subtly defending us, both things which would have set you up to get us lynched today, was just bad.

[Antihero]

As long as we all agree I was the MVP of this game everyone wins!

i could agree with that.

really a lot of townies did a great job of making themselves obvtown and you were definitely one of them + you had awesome reads.

^5

Lol I was kidding you obviously played the best

I was nonexistent for a lot of the game

i'm completely serious

i think you had enough of a presence this game. you voted scum and you didn't distract town with any anti-town antics. that's really all you can ask for in town play.

[Spiffeh]

I mean Cerb your slot was under heavy fire before you claimed BP.

[TheWayItEnds]

oh wow im bad because i wasnt online when a quicklynch happened?

fuck me worst mafia player ever.

[Antihero]

you also totally trolled me into thinking you were a bg.

which is hilarious

[TheWayItEnds]

And also LQ is who i wouldve shot there as town utility vig too.

The only shot i wouldnt have taken as town was mastin.

[Maxous]

all things considered, this was a really

really

good town-performance, well done everyone.

bit disapointed I wasn't around longer but that how it goes sometimes

[Drixx]

I'm not really sure what we could have done to help Performer, and I actually asked that MM be force replaced or even mod killed for playing against wincon. The flat out refusal to communicate or cooperate was ridiculous.

The town had a really strong group of players and basically Ank decided to bus us on day1 for reasons he defends in the dead thread, while our other two members we literally never talked to at all. I'm not really sure what we were supposed to do. This game was basically 3 slots playing like SKs due to how little cooperation there was between Ank and us, with two scum who literally walked to the gibbet and put their heads in the noose.

I thought we did rather well to come within a mislynch of making the endgame. If TWIE had realized he needed us around to win, we would even have had a (small) chance to pull out the win, despite just how badly things went. We did our best in what is probably the 2nd worst scum situation I've ever been in, 2nd only to once when I was with Wake, Garmr and Flubbernugget and Wake spewed out associative connections to all of us on day one when he was being super hard pushed and a mod kill suddenly ended day one. SK popped me night one (and killed another scum member night 2). Wake was bused but the damage was done and the scumteam was gone day 4 of a game that ended on day 8 with the SK nearly winning.

After that game, I didn't think I'd see anything nearly so bad again. I feel like playing scum is super challenging and a great way to improve my game ... but it's really hard when for whatever reason the scum team is a complete train wreck.


@TWIE - I get where you're coming from about having to avoid being targeted by scum, but we actively

needed

to keep you around to have any chance the way the first 3 days went down. We weren't going to shoot you. We figured you had to know it was us and figured you would conclude the same thing we did ... if you helped us into the endgame then it became like 45% chance you won, 45% chance we won and 10% chance the town won (the path for town to win in 2-1-1 is really slim, but some of the final day posts by town show that this town would have thought it through very carefully and could have potentially escaped that situation with a narrow victory if TWIE and we had shot each other and our BP was gone).

[Spiffeh]

What could TWIE done to save RR?
The answer: nothing

[LicketyQuickety]

I've got to stop coming up with reasons that people are scum that no one gets..

[TheWayItEnds]

nah i should have goverened them.

im so fucking stupid.