~laundry~ FIN

[drealmerz7]

I didn't, I acted like I was the only 1 I knew to be town and I tried to do what was in best interest of town which was to make them vote eachother so I could decide because I was confident at that point that I was going to make the right call (which was vote mcmenno, which would have been correct)

so I also don't know how you can really say "I should have been lynched earlier" as hard as you do, because at the end of it all, I had the right read and made the right call, it was desp. who didn't, and again, repeated points over and over about andrius's behavior and no one making any sort of real push on mcmenno (andrius, desp, should have been trying to get everyone to vote him at that point, I agree, I would have liked to vote him in retrospect, but it's not on me as much as I think you're making it to be at all)

[Gorkington]

mcmenno voted you, its not like you had a choice lol

[drealmerz7]

But yeah I already expressed most of my thoughts on your play in the dead pt, not gonna revisit that topic.

I never argued that my play wasn't shit, like I said, 2nd most horrible game for me probably, 1st being EP's wordplay mafia, it sucks, but, I'll get over it, that is for sure, it'd be nice if a bunch of you didn't hold it against me forever going forward, but, eh whatever

it was up to the rest of you all to do best about it, all I could do was keep trying my best, which, AGAIN, in the end, was to MAKE THE RIGHT CALL

and umm, yeah, pine's read on me TOTALLY SUCKED BALLS INACCURATE!

[Firebringer]

I didn't, I acted like I was the only 1 I knew to be town and I tried to do what was in best interest of town which was to make them vote eachother so I could decide because I was confident at that point that I was going to make the right call (which was vote mcmenno, which would have been correct)

so I also don't know how you can really say "I should have been lynched earlier" as hard as you do, because at the end of it all, I had the right read and made the right call, it was desp. who didn't, and again, repeated points over and over about andrius's behavior and no one making any sort of real push on mcmenno (andrius, desp, should have been trying to get everyone to vote him at that point, I agree, I would have liked to vote him in retrospect, but it's not on me as much as I think you're making it to be at all)

You straight up posted "cross vote so I can figure out which of you is scum"
That is not of the mindset of someone who thinks they are being strung along as mislynch bait.

[MagnaofIllusion]

for 2 days we failed to do what we should have done in lynching mcmenno

and on my HS that would have never been allowed to go on that long or be allowed to be dependant on 1 or 2 people to decide about

we push people HARD not to lurk even a fraction as much as mcmenno was allowed to, and would have lynched WAY before D6 in this game if it were on my HS, it's not MY fault, nor any 1 person's 'fault' we failed to lynch him, if anything I didn't push my HS values hard enough, eh?

And this response is exactly what I was talking about. You are talking out of both side of your mouth - "on my HS blah blah lurkers are punished we play high level blah blah" right after directly saying "I didn't lynch you because that would have left me in the dark on Andrius". Sorry but that's crap. You always have an excuse, it seems, for how things would have not gone as they did on your HS over and over in post-games I read of you Dreal.

Fact - you could have won the game the day before by lynching McMenno. He was sitting at L-1 while you were voting Andrius. Others certainly are to blame for helping but you are dead wrong to say "It would never have gotten to here on my HS" when you had the direct power in your hands to make sure it didn't.

[Firebringer]

yep, that's what I was afraid of

look, you 2 vote each other and let me decide, okay?

[drealmerz7]

mcmenno voted you, its not like you had a choice lol

of course at that point, that is why I said "well if that is how it is" and voted mcmenno and left it to desp.

if anything I should have been more convincing to mcmenno that I was going to vote desperado and gotten him to vote desperado, but I was afraid that was going to get desp. to vote me and that I wouldn't be able to get the vote on mcmenno in time

which is why I wanted them to vote each other...

[drealmerz7]

it's not an excuse, it's how it is, if you can't accept that, that is your problem, magna

[Firebringer]

I kind of get idea your making up shit now dreal

[drealmerz7]

???

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Sometimes townies need to get lynched for the game to progress correctly. I really do think some lynches are extremely pro-town regardless of lynching scum.

For example, and I know some people are heavily gonna disagree, the slysly lynch was really needed to be able to 100% confirm he was town and the counter wagon to scum. Without that town flip, I really don't think me or Desp would have seen Nos-scum based on VCA. The Zach lynch also was pro-town because he fit as a partner extremely well. Your lynch dreamz would have been pro-town imo.

Things like the Maria and Andrius lynches were lol.

[drealmerz7]

ridiculousnesses

anyways, blame it all on me if you like, I really don't care, I've said my views and made them clear am pretty sure

I'm not making shit up, that's kind of offensive

anyway, yep, again, yes, I had a poop game, *shrug*

[Firebringer]

I don't think anyone is blaming it all on you.

[drealmerz7]

Sometimes townies need to get lynched for the game to progress correctly. I really do think some lynches are extremely pro-town regardless of lynching scum.

For example, and I know some people are heavily gonna disagree, the slysly lynch was really needed to be able to 100% confirm he was town and the counter wagon to scum. Without that town flip, I really don't think me or Desp would have seen Nos-scum based on VCA.

I agree with you but up to there

but once slysly and tammy were both town, and nacho was scum, I really thought it likely andrius was scum too, he was not a bad lynch and I think was a much more pro-town lynch than I ever would have been, especially with how he was being. Seriously, I MADE THE RIGHT CALL AT THE END, I don't really understand how you can not have faith to keep me alive in future games knowing I can make the right call when it comes down to it, which is exactly what I did in EP's last game, but then other ppl made the wrong call at the end. I'm not as bad as you all want to make me out to be, really.

[drealmerz7]

I don't think anyone is blaming it all on you.

k

I love youall, really

it sucks the game became a bit of a drag and I lost my enthusiasm as quickly as I did

I picked it up in the last 2 though I thought, buckling down for what was there and tryng to parse the right things and set it to be in the best possible way given all contingencies. really thought desp. would vote mcmenno over me (is okay desp.)

[Gorkington]

you should try to understand that getting under people's skin and being abrasive is going to make you much more likely to get lynched.
bossing people around in lylo is a recipe for people getting frustrated with you and that frustration can translate to votes.

[McMenno]

Why didn't anyone straight up say desp was confirm town based on nachos interactions with him? I mean I said it earlier but everyone forgot

I did

endgame post coming

[Transcend]

McMemeo

[drealmerz7]

you should try to understand that getting under people's skin and being abrasive is going to make you much more likely to get lynched.
bossing people around in lylo is a recipe for people getting frustrated with you and that frustration can translate to votes.

I understand I come off that way, it happens a lot, I don't mean to be

I was trying to be persuasive, when desperado responded the way he did I was like "ohman that is not how I wanted it to be"

ppl really get overly impacted by the way I express myself and it leads to misunderstandings

[drealmerz7]

I come off more arrogant than I feel too, I know it

I try not to too, but even still

I make my arguments with confidence when I feel like I need to make them with confidence

and then I share thoughts on things that I am uncertain about and try to express that I am uncertain about them, that they're just ideas/potentialities

and it all gets misconstrued :\

[Gorkington]

part of playing town well is trying to understand how youre going to be perceived. if youre regularly putting your foot in your mouth and getting shit about it, maybe you need to spend a little more time thinking before posting?

[Fro99er]

These are amazing btw

This.

And thanks for the great game EP. I really enjoyed my one day of existence in it

[drealmerz7]

I understand that gork, and is why I try to explain myself and be clear and even when I do yet people resist it and try to think it's otherwise, they're like "no that can't be it" or "you're just being scummy" when I'm simply UNCERTAIN and you feel my uncertainty, I know that I'm going to come off that way and say so and again it's "nah, you're being non-commital is scum-indicative' - NO, it's just NOT CERTAIN!

[Creature]

The Walking Dead Season Finale 2.0

However this time it worked

[Andrius]

why didn't we just lynch menno D7 again???????????

Because dreal couldn't be trusted to vote anyone but me.
And Pine went 100% paranoia on me.
Its k though.
Menno played as well as he needed to win and it worked out for him.
gg

Uhh I thought EP saying "Andrius, the VT" was lynched made it p obvious the swtup was 1 goon 1 VT and rest all roled.

Unfortunately for me the thread was locked before I could finish my rant about a number of things; the fact that I was likely the TOKEN VT was one of them but w/e.
gg menno rip birdlady whatever
This game basically reminded me of everything I don't like about mafia, despite some good times. Oh well.

I think if we stuck to my townbloc and lynched purely outside of {me, Andrius, Pine, Maria, Desperado, Firebringer} would have been p ez.

Yep.
Pine's paranoia made me sad.
Only took 20-30 minutes of driving around downtown listening to JPOP to fix my heart.
sigh

Maybe I'll go read the Dead PT.