Surreptitious II: Secrets and Misdirection

[Elliberetta]

Yeah we are.

[SnarkySnowman]

I'm not happy with letting someone not play the game... and the slot has not only lurked but has not contributed any game related content the entire game which is scummy.

inactivity =/= scummy, I can personally attest to the fact I've been inactive / almost flaked regardless of alignment.

[Toto]

Agreed, but minimally I want the slot replaced so that we don't have this problem tomorrow.

Either that or picked up activity. Please PM the mod.

@Maj

I read your case on Ram and I don't get it.

+ You say he is arguing definitions when you are the one encouraging him to expand his definitions. You mentioned I'm not getting this somehow, please explain.

+ The rest of the case is that you said he was not posting because he was scum, and when he challenged you by saying has posted more than you, you called it a quality vs quantity thing, and then he proceeded to ask your a case quality, when you posted next time he asked you again for a case on him (and then you made this case), and apparently you read that as self consciousness (nervous scum).

Is that a correct summary of the events/arguments or did I miss something important?

[Elliberetta]

I haven't checked or compared vonflare's history specifically yet but this is enough for me to be happy enough atm: viewtopic.php?p=9772888#p9772888

[Bulbazak]

And if you want to see a real Desp "I have a tell" moment, go look at Maniacal Mafia, where he essentially says "Bulba is playing exactly like his scum game, and these pushes are scum pushes." and doesn't rely on a crappy mechanical tell. That's what Town Desp scumreading Bulba looks like. It's based on play and not "He's using a couple words when he catches up.".

maniacal was like my 2nd or 3rd game on site? pretty sure i'd never played with you before.

You hadn't, but you did go back to my only other completed scum game, Newbie 1333, and you called me out for playing extremely similarly to that game. The thing is, I didn't post any sort of catch up post in that game, so our first game together, where you correctly identified me as scum, you did so based on meta from another game that did not feature any sort of catch up post, meaning that your "tell" is something that you invented this game. In fact, the first time I ever caught up in such a manner was in Void Mountain of the Nightless Temple, where I was town.

no, the point is that the tell was a lot more nuanced than "is bulb ever in catch up mode?"

i also never said i'd caught you with it before. i was pretty explicit about why you were scum in playing card and it dovetails pretty nicely with what i've been saying in this game so what are you even talking about?

You gave a scumread on me. Elli asked you about it. You said you had a super secret tell on how to catch me as scum. Elli pressed you on it. I called BS. You gave away the tell as being based on how I catch up, more specifically, my saying "On to" and the page number at the end. You essentially said that you had a super secret scum tell on me to catch me as scum, and then revealed that to be a mechanical Bulba tic, which you immediately backed away from when "forced" to reveal the tell.

In order to get the lynch, we need both LUV and Snarky to get on, which I'm not sure will happen. That's our best bet. Toto and Creature will vote Gin over Ram, guaranteed. Otherwise, you need to convince either Elli or Dan that Ram is scum, which may be a hard sell. So it's either wrangle two cats, one of which is probably also scum, or try to convince Ellie/Dan to join on Ram and hope LUV hammers.

Honestly as long as we keep the votes up and Ram remains the lead wagon, people are either going to have to settle for Ram or nut up to forcing an NL on D3.

There's no reason for us to back off a lynch we're confident on just because we don't think we'll get the numbers while there also exists very few viable counterwagons.

You need to learn how to push through lynches, kid.

I believe Desp and Ram are both scum, and I want them both dead in equal measures. At that point in time, I was more interested in getting Elli off of Gin, who I am strongly townreading, and that meant voting for my other scumread in the hopes that she might agree and join me there. At the moment, I'm willing to give Ram some time to change my mind. But that time is not infinite, and if no one wants to lynch Desp-scum, I'll make sure Ram's lynched instead.

That's what Thor does as scum too.

Thor also does it as town.

Vaxkiller is making me want to kill Assemble slot.

Why?

I could also do rach as a 3rd option.

Rach is town.

[Ginngie]

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[Ginngie]

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[InactionDan]

I will be voting NL over a vote for Ram. So to any hardliners, do not count on my vote

[Bulbazak]

I don't think anyone was.

What about Desp?

[InactionDan]

It is possible but I won't like it

[vonflare]

ESSAYS

I'll be done tomorrow for real I swear

[Thor665]

Valid? Yes, you are free accuse anyone you like for any reason you like, but i don't have agree with scumread on me, that's NAI. But that doesn't mean you are right. How many times have you played with town Ali? Cause from my personal experience he get scumread often.

I'm just defending from your crass and meaningless case dismissal of me, that you know you did, and now you're playing word games to avoid admitting.

I've played with Alisae quite a number of times.
I actually would suggest that as long as you have people who know how to read Alisae, then town reads are usually what you get.
I don't see that happening here.

What's your experience with Alisae and do you think their play was towny?

[Ramcius]

Valid? Yes, you are free accuse anyone you like for any reason you like, but i don't have agree with scumread on me, that's NAI. But that doesn't mean you are right. How many times have you played with town Ali? Cause from my personal experience he get scumread often.

I'm just defending from your crass and meaningless case dismissal of me, that you know you did, and now you're playing word games to avoid admitting.

I've played with Alisae quite a number of times.
I actually would suggest that as long as you have people who know how to read Alisae, then town reads are usually what you get.
I don't see that happening here.

What's your experience with Alisae and do you think their play was towny?

In pretty much every game Ali got scumread, so either you have different experience somehow or you feel like you are very good at reading him. That comes from simple fact, you locked on read, you don't think "Ali is scumread most of time, so i will see what his replacement will tell", no, you just ignored me.

Now for the case, can you explain how i can know why Ali scumread people, why Ali townread other people? Or why he changed his read, when he did as momo case on me goes? Sorry, but Ali didn't left notes for me

[Ginngie]

Thor remembers mislynching softie Desp

Desp doesn't remember/can't find being softie mislynched by thor.

i stopped working on it cuz bored

but Thor lmao

like help us

[Toto]

I'll be done tomorrow for real I swear

I'll get everything ready.

Spoiler: things to do

[Ramcius]

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7PsLdeyAXI8[/youtube]

i'll let him make it, at least that he can do

[Ramcius]

i'll let him make it, at least that he can do

hope now works

[Ginngie]

So

For a paper I need a 90% on to pass the class, the class average was 59%

[Ginngie]

Spoiler:

I got a 93%

what are the odds i post the entire essay here right now

[Vaxkiller]

Taking bets paying 2 to 1 against. Congrats.

What are the odds ram is scum? I'm around 66%. Desp is 50/50 for me.

[Ramcius]

Taking bets paying 2 to 1 against. Congrats.

What are the odds ram is scum? I'm around 66%. Desp is 50/50 for me.

you would lose your bet on me

[Toto]

Vax can you explain your scumread on ram?

[Transcend]

every time i open this thread it makes me want to eat gingerbread cookies

[Transcend]

sent in a pm complaining about checkersman7 not being active enough

[Bulbazak]

I actually would suggest that as long as you have people who know how to read Alisae, then town reads are usually what you get.
I don't see that happening here.

I think it's funny that Ram just ignores this to continue pushing "Ali is always scumread, so this push on me is bad!". Thor just said that you rely on people who normally know how to read Alisae, and generally they give townreads, except in this game. AKA the people he normally relies on to tell him Ali is town is telling him the exact opposite this game. Meanwhile, Ram is stuck recycling "Ali is always scumread" and ignoring the whole point that there are people in the game who know how to read the slot and are not happy.

What are the odds ram is scum? I'm around 66%. Desp is 50/50 for me.

Then why aren't you voting Ram? Are you just buddying me?

@Elli: You've been provided countless meta at this point to show you that Desp is lying out his butt, but you're on a lurker instead. You posted a meta case from another game to explain why, but Ginngie has posted multiple games to show why this is null. So why are you still on Vonflare and ignoring Desp?