Surreptitious II: Secrets and Misdirection

[Ginngie]

should have used words

through the limited amount of games von does play, it's quite shite as scum and you can tell he tries as town

general trend I looked at so I'm okay with the votes

[Desperado]

what am I lying about exactly?

[Ramcius]

I actually would suggest that as long as you have people who know how to read Alisae, then town reads are usually what you get.
I don't see that happening here.

I think it's funny that Ram just ignores this to continue pushing "Ali is always scumread, so this push on me is bad!". Thor just said that you rely on people who normally know how to read Alisae, and generally they give townreads, except in this game. AKA the people he normally relies on to tell him Ali is town is telling him the exact opposite this game. Meanwhile, Ram is stuck recycling "Ali is always scumread" and ignoring the whole point that there are people in the game who know how to read the slot and are not happy.

where are these people and why they not on my wagon? Also, Trans said that most people were TRing Ali, when i joined

Let's see what's on wagon - Thor, we skip, Majiffy (scumread by quite a few ppl), momo, who is there because Ali changed read on him and didn't told him why, Edie, because it was counter to his townread Gingie wagon, Vax, still have no idea why he's there, but doubt for Ali plays

Also, how about people who probably can read me? Trans had no problems read me 4 times before, Creature played with me 5 times already, so probably have some idea how to read me

Lastly, why you TR Thor?

[Bulbazak]

should have used words

through the limited amount of games von does play, it's quite shite as scum and you can tell he tries as town

general trend I looked at so I'm okay with the votes

How do you feel about Desp and Ram?

what am I lying about exactly?

It's like you're not reading.

P-edit: I never said I did town read Thor, but I'm not scumreading him. I'm at "fine with his content and can figure it out later".

[Ginngie]

no longer want Ram

Desp and Von focus

[Ramcius]

should have used words

through the limited amount of games von does play, it's quite shite as scum and you can tell he tries as town

general trend I looked at so I'm okay with the votes

How do you feel about Desp and Ram?

what am I lying about exactly?

It's like you're not reading.

P-edit: I never said I did town read Thor, but I'm not scumreading him. I'm at "fine with his content and can figure it out later".

In other words, you don't give a shit, if Thor is scum pushing town, because he not in lynch pool?

[Vaxkiller]

@bulb

ram wagon was stagnant, trying to inject some life into desp wagon.

@toto

I do not like rams interactions with bulb. It's in his iso right after I joined.

[Bulbazak]

I want Desp and Ram equally. Von is that blank slate on the wall that keeps coming up town based on other reads. I wouldn't cry if he was lynched, but deep down, I don't think he's the right lynch, and he'll probably end up flipping town. I'm onboard to lynch Desp, but if I don't see any movement in that direction over the next day or so, I'll be jumping back on Ram, and that will probably be the catalyst for his lynch.

P-edit: Thor could be scum pushing other scum. As town, his reasons line up. As scum, he's probably just sheeping Majiffy. And if not, I don't care much to jump into why he's doing what he's doing atm. That will become clear over time. In essence, his alignment has no bearing on your alignment or on my read of you.

[Bulbazak]

For B, here's where I'm at: LUV is town. Momo is scum. Snarky is more likely to be scum based on #3125. Majiffy and Thor float in the nullish zone. I don't think they're both scum. At most, only one of them is scum. Given current reads, they're probably more likely to be town. Anything other than that I can sort out later when we go back to B with investigations.

[Ramcius]

I want Desp and Ram equally. Von is that blank slate on the wall that keeps coming up town based on other reads. I wouldn't cry if he was lynched, but deep down, I don't think he's the right lynch, and he'll probably end up flipping town. I'm onboard to lynch Desp, but if I don't see any movement in that direction over the next day or so, I'll be jumping back on Ram, and that will probably be the catalyst for his lynch.

P-edit: Thor could be scum pushing other scum. As town, his reasons line up. As scum, he's probably just sheeping Majiffy. And if not, I don't care much to jump into why he's doing what he's doing atm. That will become clear over time. In essence, his alignment has no bearing on your alignment or on my read of you.

still waiting list of people, who can read Ali well and are scumreading his play

[Elliberetta]

ok I have some time now

[Elliberetta]

I will be voting NL over a vote for Ram. So to any hardliners, do not count on my vote

I'm Ellibereth, and I endorse this message.

[Transcend]

stubbing your toe > lynching ram > eating a bag of shit > no lynching

[Elliberetta]

You posted a meta case from another game to explain why, but Ginngie has posted multiple games to show why this is null.

should have used words

through the limited amount of games von does play, it's quite shite as scum and you can tell he tries as town

general trend I looked at so I'm okay with the votes

1. Did you click on it? It wasn't from a game.
2. How does ginn's response make you feel.

[Elliberetta]

stubbing your toe > lynching ram > eating a bag of shit > no lynching

nah bro

we don't mislynch town and the op power role still gets to be op.

[Elliberetta]

Thor remembers mislynching softie Desp

Desp doesn't remember/can't find being softie mislynched by thor.

i stopped working on it cuz bored

but Thor lmao

like help us

see it's hard to find right

maybe it just didn't happen

[Transcend]

i'm sorry but i just really want information at this point

[Elliberetta]

Bulba

being wrong about an unconcious tell and then taking it back

isn't lying.

[Elliberetta]

i'm sorry but i just really want information at this point

too bad you can't vote

[Transcend]

i'm saying that it would suck to lynch ram since in the long run his slot is probably town

but if he has to go over a no lynch, i'll support that 10/10 times

with that said, please lynch desperado or even vonflare

[Transcend]

i don't think there's any other scum duo on my section besides desperado/vonflare

i really don't

[Elliberetta]

vonflare (2): Elliberetta, Toto [L-5]

Desperado (2): Creature, Bulbazak [L-5]

RachMarie (1): SnarkySnowman [L-6]

checkersman7 (0): [L-7]

Transcend (0): [L-7]

Ginngie (1): InactionDan [L-6]

Ramcius (5): Thor665, Majiffy, EddieFenix, momo, Vaxkiller [L-2]

Not voting (1): Lil Uzi Vert

[Transcend]

i also don't think there's any other scum duo on section b than majiffy/thor

section A i need to study a bit because i'm waffling quite a bit there.

pedit: can we please eviscerate desperado? it's not like it's impossible...

[Elliberetta]

MAGIC

vonflare (6): Elliberetta, Toto, Lil Uzi Vert, Creature, SnarkySnowman, InactionDan[L-1]

Ramcius (6): Thor665, Majiffy, EddieFenix, momo, Vaxkiller, Bulbazak [L-1]

That's unlucky huh.

[Elliberetta]

It is possible but I won't like it