Surreptitious II: Secrets and Misdirection

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the players on desp are

creature the locktown

and bulbazak who's grown on me a teeny bit.

von's wagoncon is okay too but he's a low info lynch. i'm sure he'll red at this point but it's purely by poe.

[Elliberetta]

As chesskid and I have actually argued about many times.

idgaf about info lynches or not.

momo/vax may I interest you in a vonflare wagon cracker.

[Ramcius]

@Mod

if no lynch happens, does scum have kill in DPI chosen group or they free kill anywhere?

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momo Nov 13, 09:43pm Dec 04, 07:42pm 3 days 20 hours 60

[Elliberetta]

Mafia must Night Kill from the previous DPI group that was chosen.

^^^

I think.

If they can kill outside yeah no lynch is horribad.

[Elliberetta]

momo Nov 13, 09:43pm Dec 04, 07:42pm 3 days 20 hours 60

go send dat pm boi

[Elliberetta]

btw i'd appreciate some thank you's for getting us the extention

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i don't want an extension


this phase is boring me and i just want a flip

[Elliberetta]

lol ramci would have been lynched

[Ellibereth]

@Vonflare are your finals over or were you just studying -.-

[Toto]

I dont trust non-procrastinators in general

[Bulbazak]

You posted a meta case from another game to explain why, but Ginngie has posted multiple games to show why this is null.

should have used words

through the limited amount of games von does play, it's quite shite as scum and you can tell he tries as town

general trend I looked at so I'm okay with the votes

1. Did you click on it? It wasn't from a game.
2. How does ginn's response make you feel.

1.) I clicked on it and only read the post about Von's posting habits.
2.) I don't feel as annoyed by you, but I still think you are going through some mental gymnastics with Desp. Vax is now on the Desp wagon. I'd prefer that one at this point, but if you'd prefer to go after a lurker, I'll just go back onto Ramicus, and LUV will hammer.

Bulba

being wrong about an unconcious tell and then taking it back

isn't lying.

For someone who lives and dies by the meta dive, you obviously aren't reading. He never used that tell before to read me. It's something he made up for this game when pressured. In essence, he's lying.

[checkersman7]

2.) I don't feel as annoyed by you, but I still think you are going through some mental gymnastics with Desp. Vax is now on the Desp wagon. I'd prefer that one at this point, but if you'd prefer to go after a lurker, I'll just go back onto Ramicus, and LUV will hammer.

so you're threatening him with playing against your wincon?

[checkersman7]

O BOY THATLL REALLY SHOW ELLI

*PUNCHES SELF IN DICK*
GOT HIM GOOD BULB OLE BUDDY

[Elliberetta]

I'm not reading very carefully if at all for some posts that's correct.

from what i've read it looked like he had this tell for you stored up and this was the first time he saw it pointing to you being scum in a live game and then he got excited but then he realized it didn't apply and was like aw shucks and just outed it.

Is there something i missed that points otherwise

[Ramcius]

2.) I don't feel as annoyed by you, but I still think you are going through some mental gymnastics with Desp. Vax is now on the Desp wagon. I'd prefer that one at this point, but if you'd prefer to go after a lurker, I'll just go back onto Ramicus, and LUV will hammer.

so you're threatening him with playing against your wincon?

are you sure he's town tho?

[Toto]

Btw transcend I like this avi more than the dog queen.

Eli you missed the theatrical lamist motivation “look how im scumhunting and considering my reads”

[checkersman7]

2.) I don't feel as annoyed by you, but I still think you are going through some mental gymnastics with Desp. Vax is now on the Desp wagon. I'd prefer that one at this point, but if you'd prefer to go after a lurker, I'll just go back onto Ramicus, and LUV will hammer.

so you're threatening him with playing against your wincon?

are you sure he's town tho?

Let's flip Eddie first and then we can decide between Vaxkiller and Bulb

[Elliberetta]

goddamnit toto we're forced into being allies now united against the ramci death train aren't we

FINE

QUOTE ME TO WHAT I MISSED

[Elliberetta]

dog queen was more fitting imo

[Elliberetta]

@Vonflare are your finals over or were you just studying -.-

whoops
wrong account

BUT YEAH VONFLARE

ARE THEY OVER
DO YOU JUST HAVE HOMEWORK NOW
TALK TO ME ABOUT YOUR LIFE.

[Toto]

Well you are missing what is not there.

If he was town why does he need to be so cagey about it all. It just seems a bit convoluted to me.

Maybe he did use that tell in the past, or thought that was a tell in the past, and seeing it here gives him an opportunity to pretend he is scumhunting. Lying with truths is more effective and easier to do.

[Bulbazak]

2.) I don't feel as annoyed by you, but I still think you are going through some mental gymnastics with Desp. Vax is now on the Desp wagon. I'd prefer that one at this point, but if you'd prefer to go after a lurker, I'll just go back onto Ramicus, and LUV will hammer.

so you're threatening him with playing against your wincon?

Ram's a scumread. Desp is a scumread. I want them both dead. I'm willing to work with Elli to lynch a scumread (Desp), especially since she doesn't want my other scumread dead. That gives her, and potentially him (Ram), time to convince me that I'm wrong. I don't want to lynch a lurker when I have two solid scumreads. If Elli wants to lynch a lurker, and doesn't want to lynch one of my scumreads, then I'll just hop onto the scumread that is guaranteed to go through as soon as I switch my vote.

What part of that is hard to understand?

I'm not reading very carefully if at all for some posts that's correct.

from what i've read it looked like he had this tell for you stored up and this was the first time he saw it pointing to you being scum in a live game and then he got excited but then he realized it didn't apply and was like aw shucks and just outed it.

Is there something i missed that points otherwise

Except if you look back over our history playing together, you'll find that it's a tell that'd be impossible to have. Desp has a history of nailing me as scum, but if you go back to our first game together, you'll find that he used my very first scum game, Newbie 1333, as a basis to judge my play. He never went into what triggers his read, but it's based on that first scum game. You want to know what's not in that first scum game? Catch up posts. You want to know where the first catch up post shows up? A town game, one that Desp could, and probably did, access if he wanted to get a meta read way back then. Go back and read those games and you'll see that Desp is basing his read off of the way I'm playing the game, more than likely how I push people, not with how I catch up.

The point is that he threw out a scumread in this game. When asked about it, he essentially says it's based on a super secret tell. I call BS. You pressure him endlessly about the tell until he gives it up, rather easily I might add. And it ends up being...catch up posts? And then he backs off the tell immediately? In essence, he got caught with his pants down, was called out for his BS, and then had to make up a "tell", one that he hoped would sound plausible. And then he just goes into lurk mode again and hopes everyone will be satisfied enough to leave him alone. I'm not, and I'm pointing out how full of crap he is.

[Elliberetta]

Well you are missing what is not there.

If he was town why does he need to be so cagey about it all. It just seems a bit convoluted to me.

Maybe he did use that tell in the past, or thought that was a tell in the past, and seeing it here gives him an opportunity to pretend he is scumhunting. Lying with truths is more effective and easier to do.

I think hiding reasons and lying about reasons as town is good so.
I can see myself getting biased because he's approaching things how I would yeah.

Which is why I'm probably going to end up voting him unless I nail von over the next few days.

[Elliberetta]

Bulba I read your post and I'm not sure if it makes sense to me or not yet so give me a bit.