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Post Post #12925 (ISO) » Thu Sep 06, 2018 6:43 am

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We didn't coordinate day 2 leaders.

I don't understand why cerb was protecting titus and voted for her as leader and I had a scumreadon on molla for that which was a wrong scumread.
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Post Post #12926 (ISO) » Thu Sep 06, 2018 6:44 am

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muffin did tell us to coordinate day 2 leaders, but everyone just ignored him, and somehow that made him scum enough to dayvig his replacement.
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Post Post #12927 (ISO) » Thu Sep 06, 2018 6:44 am

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I voted for her because CW to scum, and I misremembered their position on eachother's wagons. I thought the positioning was too town, but I was wrong. Something like she was 4th on the wagon originally, and I thought she was 6th and the vote that pushed things over the edge to make that lynch likely, or vice versa. I don't remember, but I remember that was my general thought process.

Oh, and I also didn't think the random thing was auto-scum coming from Titus.
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Post Post #12928 (ISO) » Thu Sep 06, 2018 6:44 am

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I legitimately don't even remember seeing that

it might've been in the mass of posts I didn't really read
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Post Post #12929 (ISO) » Thu Sep 06, 2018 6:45 am

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Like I still dont get any of the muffin/theta scumreads.
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Post Post #12930 (ISO) » Thu Sep 06, 2018 6:45 am

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Also also, I was very confident I could figure out if she was more or less likely to be scum once the VCA came out, so wasn't a priority. *shrug*
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Post Post #12931 (ISO) » Thu Sep 06, 2018 6:46 am

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In post 12927, Cerberus v666 wrote:I voted for her because CW to scum, and I misremembered their position on eachother's wagons. I thought the positioning was too town, but I was wrong. Something like she was 4th on the wagon originally, and I thought she was 6th and the vote that pushed things over the edge to make that lynch likely, or vice versa. I don't remember, but I remember that was my general thought process.

Oh, and I also didn't think the random thing was auto-scum coming from Titus.
I thought it was a scumtell mainly because I think Titus would've been a lot better than that as town regarding setup stuff

but it did make sense as scum wanting to push for suboptimal setup plays
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Post Post #12932 (ISO) » Thu Sep 06, 2018 6:46 am

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In post 806, zMuffinMan wrote:just do something like pick two people and split votes between them overnight (if one of them is killed, the other becomes leader by default, assuming they amassed the most or second-most votes)

do it publicly before day ends

dont give scum any chances to vote outside of those two people

(and if you disagree with both possible candidates, do not publicly declare who you will be voting for)
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Post Post #12933 (ISO) » Thu Sep 06, 2018 6:46 am

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In post 12919, MathBlade wrote:Yeah mainly I had to pick which of you of and Nero was getting petrified leader and which was dying

Nero’s power made him a bit too risky plus I thought it would hurt him more as a person to be in that spot

I hated I had to say Brian made a mod error publically at that point (I still think he made a few but those horses have been beat to death so not rehashing) and I hated what I did to you or Kokichi

If I turned off my emotions I should have made Nero petrified leader
I mean ... you guys played well. Nancy stayed hidden for a long time. I only caught on to her near the end when she was in the suspect pool and I had reason to look closer and realized she had faked confusion. Creature did a fantastic job.

I'll put it a different way. You knew I knew you were scum for almost the entire game, but I didn't push you because I was trying to figure out the hidden scum and viewed you as a lynch I could get any time I wanted.

That very nearly resulted in a mass kill/petrify game win for your team. It probably should have.


So ... while I appreciate the hell out of the Worst and Sando figuring it out and especially the worst for realizing what I was trying to communicate ... I should be sitting here taking the blame for a town loss instead of getting some credit for a miracle win.

The lesson for me: take the scum you know and then move from there. Don't try and be too fancy.


Also: I already covered the point with BS in private, but I re-iterate the assertion that when rules are made so precise, disclaimers need to be present, whether any actual scum factional abilities exist or not. The disclaimer keeps the possibility space as wide as possible and thus prevents mod explanations or rules from being leveraged into figuring out alignment information. It also allows the mod to say nothing. And it's really picking nits anyway.

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Post Post #12934 (ISO) » Thu Sep 06, 2018 6:46 am

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In post 12929, Sakura Hana wrote:Like I still dont get any of the muffin/theta scumreads.
I scumifyied him to save Drixx as the scum PT said to save Drixx

And then when muffin said the 100% accurate me or someone else was scum it was true so I attacked the poor logic rather than admit the truth

I just made muffin look bad so people didn’t listen

Theta was just easy because of rapid posting she looked lurky
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Post Post #12935 (ISO) » Thu Sep 06, 2018 6:47 am

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In post 12930, Cerberus v666 wrote:Also also, I was very confident I could figure out if she was more or less likely to be scum once the VCA came out, so wasn't a priority. *shrug*
So what did I miss that I should have done? I'm sure you have a list of things.
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Post Post #12936 (ISO) » Thu Sep 06, 2018 6:47 am

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Like when I replaced in the scum PT was all like “SAVE DRIXX”
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Post Post #12937 (ISO) » Thu Sep 06, 2018 6:48 am

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In post 12929, Sakura Hana wrote:Like I still dont get any of the muffin/theta scumreads.
tbf mine wasn't the best either, I thought muffin was scum for not pushing the 6x healing touch idea

but then (I think it was Brian?) told me where the thought process came from and it made a lot more sense; yes the 6x healing touch was the best idea for what we had available... but can you really rely on a group of six town specifically following that plan?
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Post Post #12938 (ISO) » Thu Sep 06, 2018 6:51 am

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In post 12934, MathBlade wrote:
In post 12929, Sakura Hana wrote:Like I still dont get any of the muffin/theta scumreads.
I scumifyied him to save Drixx as the scum PT said to save Drixx
Actually this reminds me. Why did you guys let me live at all? I understand the petrify decision but I don't get why I was left alive most of the game. I mean ... you even acknowledge that you know I had you figured out early (that also is something I'd like to know; how you figured it out... did I tip my hand or?) so why leave me in play?

I mean ... you guys dropped Cerb like a bad habit night one, lol.
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Post Post #12939 (ISO) » Thu Sep 06, 2018 6:53 am

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In post 12938, Drixx wrote:
In post 12934, MathBlade wrote:
In post 12929, Sakura Hana wrote:Like I still dont get any of the muffin/theta scumreads.
I scumifyied him to save Drixx as the scum PT said to save Drixx
Actually this reminds me. Why did you guys let me live at all? I understand the petrify decision but I don't get why I was left alive most of the game. I mean ... you even acknowledge that you know I had you figured out early (that also is something I'd like to know; how you figured it out... did I tip my hand or?) so why leave me in play?

I mean ... you guys dropped Cerb like a bad habit night one, lol.
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Jist is there were always bigger threats. You weren’t actively pushing and the narrative had to remain for Nancy to get to end game. One scum in the town block okay. Two people wouldn’t foresee. It relied on me outing at exactly the right moment.
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Post Post #12940 (ISO) » Thu Sep 06, 2018 6:54 am

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probably better kills + more manipulable tbh

something like that anyways
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Post Post #12941 (ISO) » Thu Sep 06, 2018 6:54 am

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NGL, the only thing I remember from Drixx is he thinking i somehow mind controller people irl to suggest me as leader.
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Post Post #12942 (ISO) » Thu Sep 06, 2018 6:56 am

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Also, while yes I was very serious in my statement that I didnt want powers or be leader ever. Deep inside I actually did, and when people suggested me for leader it made me super happy, because im more used to people just scumreading me or mislynching me.
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Post Post #12943 (ISO) » Thu Sep 06, 2018 6:57 am

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that's why I thought you were selected to be a puppet :/
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Post Post #12944 (ISO) » Thu Sep 06, 2018 6:58 am

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In post 12941, Sakura Hana wrote:NGL, the only thing I remember from Drixx is he thinking i somehow mind controller people irl to suggest me as leader.
LOL. We knew there was a hidden scum. I was just observing a short time frame narrative arc that looked like it was planned out.

You should work on that facet of play. You can figure out someone is town a lot by realizing their "story" in the game is natural and makes perfect sense and likewise find a lot of scum because things they were setting up have to be mangled and bent out of shape to fit the narrative they need to push for their "story" to make sense.
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Post Post #12945 (ISO) » Thu Sep 06, 2018 6:58 am

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In post 7102, Drixx wrote:
In post 7022, MathBlade wrote:
In post 7020, stungun0404 wrote:I'm going to reevaluate. The problem is i haven't had the damn time yet. Don't push this on me fifteen minutes after i realize i am wrong
I am pushing you not because you haven’t reevaluated yet, but because you instantly dropped a vote before you did.

I officially hate the Creature wagon. I want nothing to do with it.
Took me a second to put my finger on it but this.

Takes the time to do a bunch of work and then posts it to ... prove ... what? No re-evaluation and no real sign of anywhere near that for the Critter vote.
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Post Post #12946 (ISO) » Thu Sep 06, 2018 6:59 am

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In post 12943, Ankamius wrote:that's why I thought you were selected to be a puppet :/
Honestly it was obvious

*hides*

I actually didn’t want leader
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Post Post #12947 (ISO) » Thu Sep 06, 2018 7:00 am

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Obvious?
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Post Post #12948 (ISO) » Thu Sep 06, 2018 7:00 am

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I'm referring to the day 2 push, not day 4
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Post Post #12949 (ISO) » Thu Sep 06, 2018 7:02 am

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Mainly he who doth protest too much wants it.
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