no, I am not certain he has a red role pm, but until I hear who nero actually hooded I can't rule out that he is bulletproof, asceticized scum; and we cannot rule out at all that he is a scum commuter
his play here is not... fundamentally... different from performer's in Starcraft Mafia 1, in terms of open wolfing in order to bait night actions that will produce conflicting results
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Posted: Fri Feb 08, 2019 8:22 am
by Creature
Small reminder that dave and I targeted her with a disloyal and got no result.
Posted: Fri Feb 08, 2019 8:23 am
by DrewVa
What part of what I just said contradicts that
"no result" is not the same as an inno when we have commuters, jailkeepers, unaccounted for possible ascetic modifiers, and apparently? some sort of redirection ability? or something? (stickygate)
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Posted: Fri Feb 08, 2019 8:24 am
by DrewVa
ftr Nancy wants to do N&M today
I just don't think elsa is mechanically cleared yet
Does Stickyfruit Vendor continue to be able to vend stickyfruit or is it one shot?
Like say Player A is SFVendor.
N1 Player A targets Player B.
N2 Player B targets Player C.
N2 Player A targets Player D.
Is this a viable chain of events?
If so, SFVendor probably won a Boonus N1.
@Boon: Could you answer this? If a Stickyfruit vendor was X shot would they be able to send out X discrete pieces of fruit that could each then be passed on?
Gonna assume from the lack of answer that this hasn't been asked yet.
In post 2332, Something_Smart wrote:Not asking for a cop, I'm talking about an investigative role that right now is almost useless, like vanilla cop, voyeur, or motion detector. Neighborizer also qualifies. If somebody has one of those roles, it's probably worth it to come out.
no
stop rolefishing
In post 2761, Xtoxm wrote:That a is a good vote
So is ss and McQueen
Can everyone take a moment to realise how bad their last minute wagon on me was
In post 3042, DrewVa wrote:Xtoxm -- I know his reads as town can be good sometimes, so I'd like to hear more about the reasoning in his reads in 2761. I think it's important to explore the strength of townreads and if I'm wrong on one of mcqueen or ss I'd like to know why.
My reputation precedes me. Thank you DVa.
They are both scummy for similar reasons. They both came into today failing to re-evaluate their read on my slot based on new information.
McQ at the time, I didn't suspect his push on me but looking back it was really bad. He called me scum for refusing to end the day. At least one other player had the opposite instinct in the same moment. Perhaps he was trying to bully me into ending the day while he thought the leading wagon was on town.
SS post today where he says I don't deserve to be townread - the tone feels more one of frustration than concern to me.
I'll also mention Theta, because I see people dismissing the slot on the basis she was a counterwagon to scum. I'm not convinced this is the case. At the end of yesterday, she pushed for a lynch on TLK, but on the EOD VC she never voted him. I think scum, if active at EOD, would have been able to make this lynch happen, if it were town. I think I was the attempted cw to scum.
I'm a little surprised you have me as null, but we can work on that.
In post 3393, Xtoxm wrote:lets not kid ourselves the case was flimsy and the lynch was an incompetent last minute scramble
In post 3420, Xtoxm wrote:more info in the open is always a benefit to scum and town should only come forward if they have info with immediate value, not to try to coordinate future night actions openly in the presence of scum. setups are designed specifically to make this a poor strategy for town.
SS plan is anti town. he could be pushing this because he really believes it or it could be a scum agenda to expose town roles.
but anti town behaviour is always to more likely come from scum
dismissing anti town behaviour bc "they might be town" creates space for scum to get away with being scummy
i avoid doing it if possible
he is literally rolefishing and needs to stop, and deserves scrutiny for doing it
In post 4000, Thanos wrote:Something_Smart, who are your biggest scumreads right now? Who are you voting?
~Auro
I'm voting nobody.
I don't have anyone below "this person could be scum" but at that level I have you, Xtoxm, BEF. Maybe Elsa, like others I don't really scumread him per se but wouldn't mind having him out of the game. Ramcius is a massive question mark and probably worth leaving alive until some of the people who have strong opinions on him flip.
Mostly at this point I'm trying to add to my townreads: Alonzo, mcqueen, N&M, TLK, Nero, profii. Una's catchup is pretty good, Gamma and RCE might be town also.
I intend to consolidate on a wagon that's not on one of my townreads, but not until the day is close to ending.
you calling me scum whilst doing nothing is getting pretty stale
In post 4253, Xtoxm wrote:PP isnt happening today
thats a wasted vote
In post 5974, Xtoxm wrote:yeah S_S is scum
this is one of the most egregious cases of lack of read evolution ive ever seen
and hes seen my scumgame in worst idea, he really has no right calling me scum here
if we're lynching outside of TLK i can purge this
In post 6154, Xtoxm wrote:we cant include people who havent offered to hammer in the hammer list
kokicki isnt playing this game and i dont expect that to change until that slot gets replaced
i agree with SS being #1 hammer
In post 6735, Something_Smart wrote:I mean. The disloyal action didn't fail because he's town. So some rolestopping effect was applied to him. Ironically, he's slipping himself by not simply suggesting he was docced.
this is an awful post
In post 6779, Xtoxm wrote:creature and dave sound like they are in conflict with S_S
either the disloyals mean elsa is town therefore S_S is lying
or S_S should have also got no result also
is S_S claiming the result on elsa from N2 right?
In post 6779, Xtoxm wrote:creature and dave sound like they are in conflict with S_S
either the disloyals mean elsa is town therefore S_S is lying
or S_S should have also got no result also
is S_S claiming the result on elsa from N2 right?
SS claims a n2 check on Elsa yes, which is why we flip SS.
Dave/creature vs SS are not the same alignment.
aight
you still want elsa first?
In post 6799, Xtoxm wrote:ok. VOTE: S_S
asked cus you never voted S_S that i can see
Reasons why Xtoxm and SS are not w/w (is town) in this game. Also included, a post where he doesn’t view Flippy wagon as clearing and hard defending obvtown Pengun.
Posted: Fri Feb 08, 2019 8:31 am
by davesaz
In post 7832, DrewVa wrote:What part of what I just said contradicts that
"no result" is not the same as an inno when we have commuters, jailkeepers, unaccounted for possible ascetic modifiers, and apparently? some sort of redirection ability? or something? (stickygate)
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This is also a town post.
Creature checking Thanos (more correctly claiming to have checked) is unlikely to be scum out of the blue. +townpoints on a slot I wasn't sure about.
I just don't think elsa is mechanically cleared yet
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N & M and BEF are probably the best lynches. I prefer N & M. They were doing everything possible to stop scum!SS wagon from going through and BEF was insistent on Elsa over SS.
In post 7262, DrewVa wrote:Come on Elsa, you can dance... just let your inhibitions... go
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Impossible, for you see, dear Dva...
I am the tallest of mountains
I am the roughest of waves
I am the toughest of terrors
I am the darkest of days
I'm the last one that's standing
Don't try to stand in my way
'Cause I've been up against better
Just take a look at my face
Cause If you're messing with me
I am a dangerous weapon
I am the sharpest of blades
I'll cut you down in a second
'Cause I was born in this pain
It only hurts if you let it
So if you think you can take me
Then you should go and forget it
clearly a scumclaim
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Didn't that happen when S_S was clearly caught lying?
Posted: Fri Feb 08, 2019 8:39 am
by davesaz
Actually I'm not sure about Creature's claim. It would be pretty easy to fake if he were scum.
Posted: Fri Feb 08, 2019 8:43 am
by PenguinPower
VOTE: N&M
Posted: Fri Feb 08, 2019 8:53 am
by Jingle
I agree that 3393 looks town.
The rest, not so much. Xtox was consistently pushing SS, but not as his prime suspect. 2171 was to say voting Theta was a good idea, and SS was thrown in afterwards along with McQueen. The next day, SS is still scum, but TLK is better. And D3 SS is still scum, but he wanted to lynch EJ first.
Meh.
I'll look at the pages around him calling out the rolefishing when I work up the motivation, but that just looks like a lot of X suspecting SS but pushing elsewhere. Which is in no way clearing.
Posted: Fri Feb 08, 2019 8:54 am
by Jingle
If anyone other than Drewva wants to towncase X I'll give them townpoints for the effort.
Posted: Fri Feb 08, 2019 9:03 am
by RCEnigma
If you don't want to townread him just say you don't want to townread him.
