Booneytoonz IX - Under The Sea -- Game Over!

[Elsa Jay]

Nikk, is planning out a lynch order day 1 really a good idea in your eyes? Especially when doing that gives scum an easy out to say "well we got a plan let's follow it".

[davesaz]

@Elsa Jay: Which way are you trying to argue, that Maki is mafia and informed, or not mafia?

[Nikk]

Nikk, is planning out a lynch order day 1 really a good idea in your eyes? Especially when doing that gives scum an easy out to say "well we got a plan let's follow it".

That would be astronomically bad scum play and they would get caught very quickly.

[Creature]

Did we get anything useful?

[davesaz]

I have more to add but want to see that answer first.

[davesaz]

Did we get anything useful?

What have you read?

[Elsa Jay]

I'm not arguing Maki is mafia or not. I'm currently arguing about setting a dang lynch order and the doubt of scumreading Maki for bringing up a possibility of mafia being informed.

If anything, this makes me scumread Nikk for doing this.

Pedit: saying "Scum won't follow that plan" is the same as knowing what scum can do. We have a lot of less serious players this game. An easy wagon is appealing. One your trying to set up.

[Creature]

Did we get anything useful?

What have you read?

Nothing since I last posted

[Nikk]

I feel like mafia informed Maki wouldnt bring up the option of mafia being informed about the millers. Seems stupid to even mention the possibility and fuck over your teammate claiming it.

This your response to my asking for your read.

But now you are saying you are not arguing maki is mafia or not.

Which is it?

[Elsa Jay]

I mentioned I think Maki is town. I told you that's not the current argument I'm trying to say to you. I'm talking to you about the lynch order. Stop avoiding that just because I townread her.

[Nikk]

This is a shockingly defensive response to me basically saying I read Elsa and Maki as scum team.

Do you feel I have enough sway to lead town?

[Creature]

I think I missed a lot.

[Elsa Jay]

Oh my god.

Subject A: I think Maki is town.

Subject B: I think setting up a lynch order is scummy.

I want to discuss Subject B. You distract town with subject A. I double down I want to talk about Subject B.

Now you bring up a new one, Subject C: Do I think you can sway the town.

Stop that shit.

[Nikk]

You don't see a connection between C and B?

I'll let you know my answer: no. I'm no town leader. Me saying you are a decent run if Maki flips scum is just me being open with my thought process. Without anyone to follow or asking anyone to follow it cannot be a lynch order.

[Creature]

I think I think you're right.

[Elsa Jay]

You don't see a connection between C and B?

I'll let you know my answer: no. I'm no town leader. Me saying you are a decent run if Maki flips scum is just me being open with my thought process. Without anyone to follow or asking anyone to follow it cannot be a lynch order.

... That is answering your own subject C more then B and you know it.

I DONT WANT YOU TO ANSWER YOUR OWN QUESTION.

VOTE: Nikk

[Clemency]

i'm on elsa's side here tbh

[Creature]

I think I think I think I don't know what's really going on.

[Creature]

I think I think I think I think I should probably focus on catching up since the last time I posted.

[Clemency]

do your thing, creature

[davesaz]

I feel like mafia informed Maki wouldnt bring up the option of mafia being informed about the millers. Seems stupid to even mention the possibility and fuck over your teammate claiming it.

Here's what I mean by the wrong assumption / missing conclusion.

Maki, if Mafia, could bring up the miller thing if all of the claimed millers are town (unfounded assumption is that one or more miller is scum). This is true whether informed of the multiple millers or not. In fact this leads to a pretty strong missing conclusion that if Maki is mafia, the millers are much more likely to be all town. Not strong enough to consider anyone conf, but still pretty strong.

My opinion:

Maki, if Town, is absolutely correct to state that if mafia were informed of multiple millers then even the first miller claim is suspect. Since we don't know that mafia aren't informed, we can't consider any of the millers to be beyond suspicion based solely on the miller claim.

Here's why scum might push Maki as town for having the above correct suspicions.

Scum might push town!Maki if all of the millers are town, to try to force us to lynch Maki and a majority of the millers.

[Elsa Jay]

Nikk, my question is to you why setting up a lynch order isn't scummy. You just tried to counter that by saying your not a town leader. That didn't answer my damn question.

My question is why are you attemping to set up a lynch order and not focus on today. You don't have to "ask people to follow". That's implied when you put down who you want to lynch back to back.

Why. Isn't. Setting a lynch after Maki. Whether they flip town or scum. Scummy?

Do I need to bold my question for you?

[Nikk]

Because being open with thoughts and information at times is helpful to the town. Basing a lynch not just on who is scum but also what town learns from it is helpful. And finally because I never intended it to be a lynch list, more a 'here is what we learn by voting this way vs that'. Giving you a run doesn't mean a quick lynch with no conversation, just means you should be first focus the next day.

Especially now.

[Elsa Jay]

Then don't try and use Maki's death as an expansion to come after me day 2. Come after me now.

[Nikk]

If you get this defensive about the mere idea of people voting for you then I shudder to think how you will play when you have actual pressure.

Why would I come after you now? I learn less flipping you than Maki, despite your attempt to bait me into am argument here.