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PostPosted: Fri Jan 11, 2019 3:16 pm
by Shoshin the worst
In post 977, Taly wrote:
In post 965, Mewtaph wrote:Yes. You can take that vote as serious in that I haven't seen any other wagon was compelling enough for me to shift my vote. I don't buy how he's approaching the game state as genuine.


Good to know I'm not the only one who feels this way.

Are there any posts you want to have addressed in particular?

VOTE: Alchemist21

I want Alchemist to reply to

This post struck me as more pockety towards Mewtaph, actually. But yeah Mewtaph's reasoning is a trainwreck. I have no read on if it's t/s or s/s but I wouldn't be surprised if at least one of these two flips red.
I don't understand how you were meant to reply to 952. lol.

PostPosted: Fri Jan 11, 2019 3:16 pm
by Tibor and Lumia
In post 563, Michael Scott wrote:Buzzwords are also great when they capture the essence of an argument, removing the need to explain it. I don't think the accusation I made needed much elaboration, but here's my rebuttal to your response anyway.

Sure, going "Oh that was Towny where did that come from?" Is a legitimate feeling to have, but doesn't pair off with "I towntold a bunch of times" -- the latter portrays an awareness to the tells. I don't trust that it's beyond your capability to know how town!you would behave and then behave in a similar fashion. Also, you're exaggerating how ridiculous it is to make those moves as scum - for example, I've already pointed out benefits to non-signing as scum.

~J

So what you're saying is they both acted like they should be townread and were shocked at being townread? Is that right?
Mr. Melda Mager

PostPosted: Fri Jan 11, 2019 3:18 pm
by Shoshin the worst
In post 999, ProFlavor wrote:
In post 989, Shoshin the worst wrote:Posts like ProFlavor's last one SHOULD come >rand from scum because of how conspicuously weighted they are

no idea what that means but I'm around for a bit so AMA if you want.

I am currently trying to asses Taly - in a game where loads of people went 'I cant scum read anyone' he had loads of different reads. not sure if this is AI... will come back later with a decision

~woof

no that's ok, keep doing your thing.

In post 970, ProFlavor wrote:
In post 963, Shoshin the worst wrote:Quack. So much shitposting.
Should we wait for nullslots to do something?

~ Shoshin

I'm going to get myself in a tunnel but here is how I'm reading this:

There is a tunnel on STW and a large proportion of players are saying the gamestate is full of towny dudes - so there is no where for a counter wagon to form - therefore "should we wait for nullslots to do something" could equal "can we wait for the nullslots to do something scummy to take heat off me, as yet, there is no where for people to create a sensible wagon and I'm in a bit of a pickle"


FL said he will catch up soon so I'm just going to let that happen before I go as far as voting/diving down this tunnel, otherwise I would have already.

~ woof



^^^ basically, this post is an incredibly heavily biased reading (which i think you know) but i'm kinda not sure whether to take it down as confirmation bias at face value or see an EvIl AgEnDa in it
similar kinda thing to taly's comment about reversing his read on us, but i think his was slightly more scum indicative
basically the bias is just muddying my ability to improve my reads on people right now. i think i just need more content from your slot which isn't about me

PostPosted: Fri Jan 11, 2019 3:40 pm
by Krazy
Votecount 1.10
NicoRobin(3) ~ (57), (153), (81)
u r a person 2(2) ~ (43), (42)
Shoshin the worst(2) ~ (6), (143)
Alchemist21(2) ~ (5), (61)
pinturicchio(1) ~ (75)
Mewtaph(1) ~ (52)
Kokichi Oma(1) ~ (70)


Not Voting (2): (184), Kokichi Oma(8)

With 14 alive it takes 8 to lynch.

Day 1 deadline is in (expired on 2019-01-16 22:05:31)


MOD REMINDERSKokichi Oma needs a prod. The last post was at: 1/9/2019 10:23:00 AM which was 2 days 4 hours 16 minutes 51 seconds ago.

NicoRobin is no longer being replaced.

FLAVOR
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 11, 2019 3:45 pm
by Shoshin the worst
speaking of biased readings what do you all think the odds are that one of nico's scumbuddies was just like "hey vote stw so you're not replaced" :thinking:

PostPosted: Fri Jan 11, 2019 3:51 pm
by Varsoon
In post 1004, Shoshin the worst wrote:speaking of biased readings what do you all think the odds are that one of nico's scumbuddies was just like "hey vote stw so you're not replaced" :thinking:


I don't like that this sort of WIFOM was dropped earlier and you're reversing it here--can't remember who, but someone suggested that the pressure on you was shifted to Nico. I generally think that's more likely to be true than the other way around. Your suggestion pretty much is just that Nico is buddies with... who?

I'm very confused.

-V

PostPosted: Fri Jan 11, 2019 3:57 pm
by Alchemist21
In post 1004, Shoshin the worst wrote:speaking of biased readings what do you all think the odds are that one of nico's scumbuddies was just like "hey vote stw so you're not replaced" :thinking:


It’s as likely as any other scenario.

PostPosted: Fri Jan 11, 2019 4:01 pm
by Alchemist21
Is Nico the same person as Jeanne11? I think I saw that somewhere a long time ago but I’m not sure.

PostPosted: Fri Jan 11, 2019 4:05 pm
by Shoshin the worst
In post 1005, Varsoon wrote:
In post 1004, Shoshin the worst wrote:speaking of biased readings what do you all think the odds are that one of nico's scumbuddies was just like "hey vote stw so you're not replaced" :thinking:


I don't like that this sort of WIFOM was dropped earlier and you're reversing it here--can't remember who, but someone suggested that the pressure on you was shifted to Nico. I generally think that's more likely to be true than the other way around. Your suggestion pretty much is just that Nico is buddies with... who?

I'm very confused.

-V

I was shitposting.

In post 1006, Alchemist21 wrote:
In post 1004, Shoshin the worst wrote:speaking of biased readings what do you all think the odds are that one of nico's scumbuddies was just like "hey vote stw so you're not replaced" :thinking:


It’s as likely as any other scenario.

#goodposting

In post 1007, Alchemist21 wrote:Is Nico the same person as Jeanne11? I think I saw that somewhere a long time ago but I’m not sure.

I believe so, yeah.

PostPosted: Fri Jan 11, 2019 4:05 pm
by Almost Chara
In post 1007, Alchemist21 wrote:Is Nico the same person as Jeanne11? I think I saw that somewhere a long time ago but I’m not sure.


Yes

PostPosted: Fri Jan 11, 2019 4:06 pm
by Alchemist21
That explains a lot.

PostPosted: Fri Jan 11, 2019 4:07 pm
by Shoshin the worst
Do you have much experience with her?

PostPosted: Fri Jan 11, 2019 4:10 pm
by Varsoon
They're kind of infamous for this.
I think they even had a 3-game limit for awhile because of it.
It's a shame, because I really like when they do give it their all in a game.


-V

PostPosted: Fri Jan 11, 2019 4:11 pm
by Varsoon
Aw damn I forgot to be very critical of myself and keep up the VC nonsense.

Oh well.

-V

PostPosted: Fri Jan 11, 2019 4:16 pm
by Shoshin the worst
Varsoon, candidly -- you did a very cool job of it while it lasted.

PostPosted: Fri Jan 11, 2019 4:18 pm
by Alchemist21
In post 1012, Varsoon wrote:They're kind of infamous for this.
I think they even had a 3-game limit for awhile because of it.
It's a shame, because I really like when they do give it their all in a game.


-V


This. I think I only have 1 game with Jeanne but I remember all the MD posts about it and her complaining about constantly being WOTC’d. I even remember one mod made a game specifically so she could have a game to play in again.

PostPosted: Fri Jan 11, 2019 4:22 pm
by ProFlavor
In post 1006, Alchemist21 wrote:
In post 1004, Shoshin the worst wrote:speaking of biased readings what do you all think the odds are that one of nico's scumbuddies was just like "hey vote stw so you're not replaced" :thinking:


It’s as likely as any other scenario.

True dat

~ woof

PostPosted: Fri Jan 11, 2019 4:44 pm
by Taly
In post 982, Alchemist21 wrote:
In post 952, Taly wrote:Alchemist is someone I want to sort more.

I can see scum take the positions he's had (namely the vote/rationality on STW , and the vote/unvote onto UP2 ), but, alongside my other iffy/scumlean reads, a lot of people don't agree.

ProFlavor, Michael Scott, and Pint need an individual ISO for me to get thoughts rolling on them.

Mephisto reread / UP2 Wagon Evaluation / ProFlavor/Michael Scott/Pint are the areas of sorting I'm looking to absolve in the next 2 days.


I don’t know what you expect me to respond to here. I’ve made myself pretty clear so if you’re still insure about something you’ll need to ask specific questions instead of asking for a response to a vaguely reasoned read.


I wasn't convinced by your original STW vote, so can you explain how that read has evolve since ?

And what were your thoughts on UP2/STW's interaction after you unvoted in ? You stated an argument they were scum/town but you didn't follow up in a change of thought when UP2 clarified something to you.

Do you see anything scum-indicative with Mewtaph aside from their reasoning to keep their vote on you?

In post 984, Varsoon wrote:It's in my ISO and emergent between my interactions with the STW slot.
If you still can't verify casing there, I can try?
I really don't wanna, though. :/

-V


Meh... I'll ISO you then. But what keeps you from casing?

In post 999, ProFlavor wrote:I am currently trying to asses Taly - in a game where loads of people went 'I cant scum read anyone' he had loads of different reads. not sure if this is AI... will come back later with a decision


I'm right here for assessing and sorting. :roll:

Also, I thought I said I had difficulty generating scumreads myself, as opposed to my multiple townreads.

The difference is, I'm not voicing them unlike the playerlist because I don't see a benefit in doing so right now.

Walk me through your thoughts on the UP2 wagon, that'll motivate me to read ISOs and cultivate an opinion on that.

PostPosted: Fri Jan 11, 2019 4:44 pm
by Taly
Apologize for the non-spoilered textwall.
This is a reply to STW. I'm not spoiling it because I want to make sure they actually read it.


In post 987, Shoshin the worst wrote:
In post 977, Taly wrote:I think scum was on STW's wagon regardless of STW's alignment. He was L-1'd, and this is a large. Granted, I do have a townread on STW, but it's faded the past few pages, I still stick to them-town.

...why has it faded?


I think you're town, but I want to see if your posts toward/about me are genuine or have an agenda.

You only voice a thought towards me if it's 100% meta-based on something I've done before. You're not removing my play here from anything else, and you're not doing this with anyone else to my understanding.

I'm curious to know, on if you're trying to solve me genuinely, or if you're just withholding your responses about me for when you CAN actively case a lynch against me if I survive later in the game.

You've told me to "play the game" and "wait for your response" and yet you're just now acknowledging posts I've made where I haven't mentioned you.

In post 989, Shoshin the worst wrote:I'm getting tired of not being treated like a human and there's a weird clique of players who are just positioning as scum for nonsensical reasons, without actually thinking through anything (more likely to come from scum!ProFlavor than scum!Varsoon rn imo). my WIM is through the floor so I'm probably gonna be more low energy and less obvtown than I was a few pages ago.


Why aren't you pushing ProFlavor and Pint if you think they could be deepwolves?

This gamestate is literally nothing but people having no definitive scumread and so people delve into dumb setup spec and "let's lynch the low poster/lurkers" to get a result.

In post 996, Shoshin the worst wrote:
In post 43, Taly wrote::D so much opportunity to get pocketed!!

._. im gonna have to reread that playerlist movement night action stuff arent i?

not feeling the kokichi IC claim but i slight townvibe it anyway

VOTE: Almost Chara

RVS is bullshit but square up w me, both heads now

~ Taly

Taly's RVS post is what originally scumpinged me.
I don't think he's really done anything outside his scumrange (not anything particularly towny). Taly do you disagree? If I'm grossly misreading you here, help me see where I'm wrong. A lot your defence of yourself & probing of other slots has kind of skated around the centre; the way you do as scum (e.g. PYPX/Y).


Yes, you're misled. :igmeou: If you actually read me post in , you'd have known that ANY post I made in the game before were reaction tests.

And yeah, I'm playing OVERTLY "scummy" right now. (Ugh, that word sucks so much.)

If "playing how I am as scum" gets people to have reads OTHER than town/null and AVOIDS a potential lurker mislynch on D1, then fuck... Mission accomplished.

Apathy defeated. (Or at least mine is.) 1v1s don't go for +10 pages. Weakens a scum-productive narrative.


In post 1000, Shoshin the worst wrote:
In post 977, Taly wrote:
In post 965, Mewtaph wrote:Yes. You can take that vote as serious in that I haven't seen any other wagon was compelling enough for me to shift my vote. I don't buy how he's approaching the game state as genuine.


Good to know I'm not the only one who feels this way.

Are there any posts you want to have addressed in particular?

VOTE: Alchemist21

I want Alchemist to reply to

This post struck me as more pockety towards Mewtaph, actually. But yeah Mewtaph's reasoning is a trainwreck. I have no read on if it's t/s or s/s but I wouldn't be surprised if at least one of these two flips red.
I don't understand how you were meant to reply to 952. lol.


:roll: Let's talk about "posturing/positioning" for a second.

How about the next time you quote me, you DIRECTLY respond to me? OK? :facepalm:

PostPosted: Fri Jan 11, 2019 4:45 pm
by Taly
;) i got people talking about different things since the last 2 pages

PostPosted: Fri Jan 11, 2019 4:46 pm
by Taly
apathy can kiss my ass, its actually going away a little as i typed these past 2 posts :D

PostPosted: Fri Jan 11, 2019 4:49 pm
by Taly
oh lol forgot mephisto was in this game again

...ive played with jeanne11... in 2015.

and ive played with nico one game this past year... but it doesnt count since she was mislynched early-game for doing the bare minimum to avoid being replaced

PostPosted: Fri Jan 11, 2019 4:53 pm
by Taly
In post 1003, Krazy wrote:NicoRobin(3) ~ (57), (153), (81)
u r a person 2(2) ~ (43), (42)
Shoshin the worst(2) ~ (6), (143)
Alchemist21(2) ~ (5), (61)
pinturicchio(1) ~ (75)
Mewtaph(1) ~ (52)
Kokichi Oma(1) ~ (70)


This is an incredibly bad VC for town.

Michael/STW/UP2, tell me why Nico's a good lynch today.

URAP2 - Already prompted Pint/ProFlavor to talk about their vote here.

STW - vars, make town cohesive <3

Alchemist21 - Actually want Mew to explain his scumread on Alchemist, it's the only one they've had it seems? In like... 1000 posts?

Pint - A reason to townread T&L as I'm feeling less impressed each time I read Pint's ISO or latest posts.

Kokichi - AC, is this really a worthy lynch? Any active posters you don't townread?

PostPosted: Fri Jan 11, 2019 5:02 pm
by Taly
anyone have meta on Mew?

like reliable ones? not a 1 game half-assed "this is how someone is as that alignment"?

PostPosted: Fri Jan 11, 2019 5:09 pm
by Alchemist21
In post 1017, Taly wrote:
In post 982, Alchemist21 wrote:
In post 952, Taly wrote:Alchemist is someone I want to sort more.

I can see scum take the positions he's had (namely the vote/rationality on STW , and the vote/unvote onto UP2 ), but, alongside my other iffy/scumlean reads, a lot of people don't agree.

ProFlavor, Michael Scott, and Pint need an individual ISO for me to get thoughts rolling on them.

Mephisto reread / UP2 Wagon Evaluation / ProFlavor/Michael Scott/Pint are the areas of sorting I'm looking to absolve in the next 2 days.


I don’t know what you expect me to respond to here. I’ve made myself pretty clear so if you’re still insure about something you’ll need to ask specific questions instead of asking for a response to a vaguely reasoned read.


I wasn't convinced by your original STW vote, so can you explain how that read has evolve since ?


Someone already touched on this a bit (can’t remember who) but they were responding individually to posts at/about them in a way that made it easy to tell who was who. My original line of thought was that the lack of signing and being “one voice” was a method to avoid attempts at meta reading them (which their “we have no meta” post seemed to suggest). Their individual responses while still refusing to sign showed me that I was wrong. They’re not shying away from engagement either, which considering Shoshin’s pre-game claim that he’d have little time I believe scum would have used to try and stay under the radar.

And what were your thoughts on UP2/STW's interaction after you unvoted in ? You stated an argument they were scum/town but you didn't follow up in a change of thought when UP2 clarified something to you.


It went back to null. That should have been obvious since I unvoted. Thinking back on it now, it’s slightly Towny that he wanted to work with STW on a common read, but not as Towny as it would be if they had initiated the interaction. STW gets Townier for it.
Do you see anything scum-indicative with Mewtaph aside from their reasoning to keep their vote on you?

No.