Grandest Idea Mafia: Game Over!

[Ircher]

Welcome to Large Theme 20190630: Grandest Idea Mafia!

Moderator: IrcherBackup Moderator: Alchemist21

Reviewed by: No Reviewers

Spoiler: Player List

1. nomnomnom+‡
2. TemporalLich+‡
3. Iconeum+‡
4. Chemist1422+‡**
5. Persivul+‡*
6. Gamma Emerald+‡
7.

TheASC+‡*

pisskop+* ^
8. Debbie Doggie Do+‡**
9. Arcfield+‡*
10. Vijarada+‡
11. NotMySpamAccount+‡*
12.

chennisden+‡

geometry+‡
13. Schiavetto+‡****
14.

ZestOfLife+‡*

Phillammon+‡

GuyFawkes+
15.

Larry David Official+‡*

thecoldheartedking+‡
16. Korina+‡
17. Emperor flippyNips+‡

Key: + => Confirmed, ‡ => Posted Once, * => Prod, ^ => Prod Dodge,

Replaced

Spoiler: D6 Living Players

4. Chemist1422
5. Persivul
6. Gamma Emerald
7.

TheASC

pisskop
11. NotMySpamAccount

Spoiler: Living Players

7.

TheASC

pisskop,

Mafia Redirector

, survived and won Day 6.
11. NotMySpamAccount,

Mafia Role Cop

, survived and won Day 6.

Spoiler: Dead Players

10. Vijarada,

Mafia Treestump 1-Shot Day Vigilante

, treestumped at the start of Day 1.
1. nomnomnom,

Town Honorable Day Vigilante

, committed suicide during Day 1.
16. Korina,

Town Unsafe Vault Loved Storer

, was killed Day 1.
17. Emperor flippyNips,

Town Informed Cop

, was lynched Day 1.
15.

Larry David Official

thecoldheartedking,

Town Scumdrawn Cop

turned

Neutral Survivor Scumdrawn Cop

, was modkilled Day 2.
9. Arcfield,

Town Complex Doctor

, was killed Night 2.
2. TemporalLich,

Chocolate Townie

, was lynched Day 3.
3. Iconeum,

Town Doctor

, was killed Night 3.
12.

chennisden

geometry,

Town Encryptor

, was lynched Day 4.
14.

ZestOfLife

Phillammon

GuyFawkes,

Town Archangel

, was killed Night 4.
8. Debbie Doggo Do,

Mafia Orange Thermometer

, was lynched Day 5.
13. Schiavetto,

Town Bartender

, was killed Night 5.
4. Chemist1422,

Town Combiner

, was lynched Day 6.
5. Persivul,

Town Even Day Kidnapper

, was endgamed Day 6.
6. Gamma Emerald,

Town Guaranteed 13-4

, was endgamed Day 6.

Spoiler: VC History

Day 1

Day 1 VC #0, Day 1 VC #1, Day 1 VC #2, Day 1 VC #3, Day 1 VC #4, Day 1 VC #5, Day 1 VC #6, Day 1 VC #7, Day 1 VC #8, Day 1 VC #9, Day 1 VC #10, Day 1 VC #11, Day 1 VC #12 ^{(Q: 1)}, Day 1 VC #13 ^{(Q: 1)}, Day 1 VC #14 (LYNCH)

Day 2

Day 2 VC #1, Day 2 VC #2, Day 2 VC #3, Day 2 VC #4, Day 2 VC #5 ^{(Q: 1, 2, 3, 4)}, Day 2 VC #6, Day 2 VC #7, Day 2 VC #8, Day 2 VC #9 (^{(Q: 1, 2)}, Day 2 VC #10, Day 2 VC #11 ^{(Q: 1, 2, 3, 4)}, Day 2 VC #12, Day 2 VC #13, Day 2 VC #14, Day 2 VC #15, Day 2 VC #16, Day 2 VC #17, Day 2 VC #18, Day 2 VC #19

Day 3

Day 3 VC #1 ^{(Q: 1)}, Day 3 VC #2, Day 3 VC #3 (LYNCH) ^{(Q: 1)}

Day 4

Day 4 VC #1, Day 4 VC #2, Day 4 VC #3 ^{(Q: 1)}, Day 4 VC #4, Day 4 VC #5 ^{(Q: 1, 2)}, Day 4 VC #6 ^{(Q: 1)}, Day 4 VC #7, Day 4 VC #8, Day 4 VC #9 (LYNCH)

Day 5

Day 5 VC #1 ^{(Q: 1, 2)}, Day 5 VC #2, Day 5 VC #3, Day 5 VC #4, Day 5 VC #5 (LYNCH)

Day 6

Day 6 VC #1 ^{(Q: 1, 2, 3, 4[)}, Day 6 VC #2, Day 6 VC #3, Day 6 VC #4, Day 6 VC #5 (LYNCH)

Spoiler: Event History

1. Post 3: Setup/Design Phase begins!
2. Post 109: Setup details rule #5 updated for clarity.
3. Post 135: Discard list.
4. Post 136: Day 1 begins! Vijarada treestumps.
5. Post 279: nomnomnom commits suicide.
6. Post 303: Korina is killed Day 1.
7. Post 480: Emperor flippyNip is lynched. Night 1 begins!
8. Post 481: No one dies! Day 2 begins!
9. Post 640: thecoldheartedking replaces Larry David Official.
10. Post 642: Phillammon replaces ZestOfLife.
11. Post 656: geometry replaces chennisden.
12. Post 722: Debbie Doggie Do mysteriously disappears Day 2.
13. Post 1551: thecoldheartedking is modkilled for quoting his role pm Day 2.
14. Post 1620: Night 2 begins!
15. Post 1622: pisskop replaces TheASC.
16. Post 1623: Arcfield dies. Day 3 begins!
17. Post 1743: TemporalLich is lynched. Night 3 begins!
18. Post 1744: Iconeum dies. Day 4 begins!
19. Post 1958: GuyFawkes replaces Phillammon.
20. Post 2061: goemetry is lynched. Night 4 begins!
21. Post 2063: GuyFawkes dies. Day 5 begins!
22. Post 2196: Debbie Doggie Do is lynched. Night 5 begins!
23. Post 2197: Schiavetto is killed. Day 6 begins!
24. Post 2364: Chemist1422 is lynched. Game over!

Spoiler: Mod Links

1. Signups Thread
2. Game Thread
3. Mod PT
4. Dead/Spectator PT
5. Links of Interest

[Ircher]

Rules

Spoiler: General Rules

Respect

1. Follow the golden rule:

"Do unto others as you would have them do unto you."

1a.

Personal attacks and derogatory language directed towards others or oneself will not be tolerated.

1b.

Other forms of toxic and/or disrespectful behavior that promote an unpleasant environment will also be dealt with as needed.

1c.

You are to assume good faith of all players that request replacement.

It is the moderator's job, not the players' job, to determine whether or not a replacement request is tactical in nature. It is also outright rude and disrespectful, and it brings an outside influence into the game.
1d.

Avoid bringing up real-life events in the game thread. If a player brings up a real-life event in the game thread, do not attempt to guess the player's motives for doing so.

The best thing to do is to keep real life out of this game, but if something major does happen and it affects your ability to play then others should accept it as-is rather than engage in the unethical practice of assigning ulterior motives to it.
2.

Avoid using the plain spoiler (blackout) tag. Use spoiler= instead.

In other words,

this is wrong

. This rule exists because the content hidden within a blackout tag is not easily accessed on mobile devices and many players (including the moderator) access and play mafia on mobile devices.
3.

Animated GIFs, videos, and posts containing multiple large images should generally be spoilered using the spoiler= tag.

This rule exists primarily for those people with slower internet connections (the page loads faster this way). It also tends to reduce vertical length and be more pleasing on the eye, especiallly on mobile devices like phones.
4.

Constant and persistent off-topic posting will not be tolerated.

Mafia is a social game, so it is okay to occassionally talk about things that are not directly relevent to the game at hand. That said, excessive off-topic posting results in increased filler and makes it hard for other players to find game-relevant content.
5.

Cryptography and other forms of codes are generally not allowed.

Breadcrumbs are generally okay.
5a.

All text should be

at least this big (size 75).

5b.

Do not attempt to use BBCode to hide messages.

6.

Play the game.

This rule goes along with Respect #4; why did you sign-up for a game (or replace into a game) if you didn't actually plan on playing the game? By not playing the game, you are ruining everyone else's experience which is a no-go.
6a.

The use of the dice tag and other forms of provable randomness in the game-thread (or in private threads related to the game) is prohibited.

7.

There is nothing inherently wrong with replacing out of a game.

If you do not have the time to properly play the game, please do everyone a favor and request replacement; in most cases, you are doing more harm to the game by staying in the game than you would by replacing out.
7a. That said, if the game thread is pretty long (>50 pages), please think twice before replacing out. Another option besides replacing out of a game is to temporarily declare V/LA.

Honour

1.

Discussion of ongoing games at any time, through any means, and regardless of content, is prohibited as per site rules.

See below for more information on this very important rule.
1a.

You may communicate with the moderator and/or the backup/co-moderators at any times about

this

game for whatever reason.

1b.

Any information that is both easily accessible and publicly available (stuff in opening posts, stuff that can be found by clicking on a player's profile, et cetera) may be referenced in game

provided that

said information is not accompanied by a statement of substance.

For instance, the number of pages in a game, the current phase of a game, the number of players alive/dead/total in a game, the number of games a player is currently in, et cetera are all valid things that can be referenced in game.

Invalid things include making vague statements that reference ongoing games in a roundabout manner and accompanying public information with statements of substances.

1c.

Do not quote any post or statement made in this game (regardless of content) in your signature while this game is ongoing.

Players do occassionally reference stuff written in signatures, so it is important to keep any information that may possibly give away the alignment of a player in this game (or other games) out of signatures.
1d.

If you make an alt-slip (or hydra slip), you

must

quote it as soon as possible with your main account.

Failure to do so within a reasonable time frame will result in the moderator considering the slip as a discussion of ongoing games and will take the necessary actions.
1e.

You are allowed one contentless "Bah!" post after you die.

Further posts and/or any posts with content after you die are also considered breaches of the ongoing games discussion rule.
1f.

If your role specifically allows you to communicate about this game outside the game-thread, then you may do so in the way dictated by your role.

2.

Play to win.

This is not an option; this is a requirement.
2a.

You

must

read your role pm,

no exceptions

.

I will force-replace any users that refuse to confirm their role in the way indicated in their role pm (or fail to do so within a reasonable time frame after a direct and private reminder is sent to them).

Do not claim in the thread to have either a) not read your role pm or b) not received a role pm.

The former is disallowed as per the first part of this rule. The latter (if true) should be sent as a private message to the moderator.
2b.

You may claim to be scum by yourself and/or with other players

(whether false or true)

provided that

it is clear (to the moderator) that you are not attempting to game-throw.
2c.

Scum can night-kill their own teammates

provided that

there is clear evidence (to the moderator) that such a move isn't game-throwing or heavily detrimental to the team's win condition.
2d.

Players may self-vote at any time and for any reason

provided that

it is not a hammer.
2e. Except in certain exceptional circumstances,

town players should

never

self-hammer.

A similar rule applies to scum-aligned players.
3.

Trust tells and other forms of outside influences are prohibited.

3a.

Do not replace out in such a manner as to confirm your alignment.

3b.

Do not threaten to replace out of the game. Do not demand that other players replace out of the game.

All replacement-related communication should be conducted privately by communicating with the moderator.
3c.

The only things requiring moderator response that should be posted in-thread are:

1) votecount-related questions and corrections 2) V/LAs 3) formatting fixing requests, and 4) questions about public mechanics and/or the roles/abilities of

flipped players

.

All other questions

(including speculative questions)

should be sent by pm.

3d.

Do not discuss any actions taken by the moderator in the game until post-game.

4.

The direct quoting and/or copy-pasting of private communication

(except as indicated below)

is prohibited.

4a.

The following things from your role pm may be copied verbatim

: your alignment, your flip role (generally second line), and your effective role (if it differs from your flip role).

Quoting any of the preceding items is strictly prohibited.

4b.

Investigatives

and other power roles that receive results may

directly copy

(again, not quote) the

unflavored

result(s)

they receive (generally in bold).[/b]
4c.

Masons and mafia

(and other "neighborhoods" that are known to contain only a single alignment by all the members of said neighborhood)

may freely copy-paste and/or quote moderator communication

(unless otherwise specified) into the corresponding private thread.

They may also submit night actions as a collective there as well (by bolding).

4d.

Other forms of moderator communication should neither be directly copied nor quoted in the game-thread or anywhere else in this game.

4e.

Timestamps, read statuses, and/or links to any ongoing game

(except this game's main thread),

private topics of ongoing games

, or

ongoing off-site games are prohibited

and should never be referenced in the game's main thread.
4f.

You may paraphrase anything not otherwise covered by these rules (unless otherwise specified); however, please be careful.

Also, regardless of whether something is a direct quote or not,

surrounding something in quotation marks (") is not acceptable.

I will automatically assume that anything that came from another thread that is surrounded in quotation marks is in fact a direct copy-paste and will take action as necessary.
5.

Do not attempt to impersonate the game moderator, backup/co-moderators, and/or site staff in any fashion.

5a.

Purple

is my color in the game-thread, and

yellow

is my color in private threads.

You may use either color as you please provided that it is clear you are not trying to impersonate me by doing so.

5b.

User-provided votecounts should be explicitly marked as "Unofficial" and should avoid being formatted exactly like an official votecount.

6.

Do not edit or delete your posts.

Also, the moderator will generally not delete posts.
6a. Any edits by the game moderator will be done in my color and clearly marked as such like this: "

This is an example. ~Ircher

"

Miscellaneous

1. Follow the spirit of the rules.
1a.

Do not attempt to find loopholes in the ruleset.

1b.

While the moderator will generally assume good-faith, action can be taken against inadvertent rule breaks if deemed necessary.

2.

All PTs will be released within 24 hours of the game's conclusion.

(The Moderator PT may take a while longer.) Players in any thread except the Dead PT may request redactions at any time

before

I release the PT. The dead thread is released immediately on the conclusion of the game.
3. A player is allowed to replace back into their slot if the slot has to be replaced multiple times provided that 1) the player was not force-replaced due to inactivity or a rule violation and 2) the player did not join the dead/spectator thread or otherwise receive information that would compromise the game.
3a. Players may rescind their replacement requests as long as they have not received any information that compromises their slot and replacements have not already been found.
4.

The moderator reserves the right to update this ruleset as necessary.

New items will be underlined

, and

deleted items will be striked through.

(Note: The markup on this line is an example.)

TL;DR Version

1. Follow the golden rule: "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you."
   
2. Follow all site rules especially the ones against discussing ongoing games and threatening/demanding to replace out.
   
3. Do not use the plain spoiler (blackout tag) by itself; use the spoiler= tag instead or combine it with colored text.
   
4. Be mindful of other users. In particular, try to spoiler animated GIFs, videos, and posts with multiple images.
   
5. Play to win the game and do not use provable randomness.
   
6. Be sure to read your role pm. Do not claim to have done otherwise; if you did not receive a role pm, please PM the moderator.
   
7. Follow the spirit of the rules, not the letter.
   
8. The moderator reserves the right to update this ruleset as necessary.
   
9. The TL;DR version is not (and cannot) be all-inclusive. Please take the time to familiarize yourself with the entire ruleset when you get the chance; things that are in bold are particularly important.

Setup-Specific Rules

Spoiler: Voting, Lynching, and Twilight Rules

Voting, Lynching, and Twilight Rules

1. To vote, use
   Vote: Player
   or VOTE: Player. The latter is highly preferred as the former was used before the introduction of vote tags (and ought to be deprecated.)
   
2. To unvote, use
   Unvote: Player
   or UNVOTE: Player. The latter is again preferred as the former was used before the introduction of vote tags.
   
3. You do not have to unvote to change votes.
   Furthermore, I will only track the last *valid* vote in your post.
   
   
4. Player abbreviations are allowed provided the moderator can reasonably determine whom the player is referring to.
   
5. Invalid or ambiguous votes will not be counted, though the moderator will note such instances.
   
6. Hammer occurs when half of all living players (rounded down) plus one cast a vote against the same player (or No Lynch). All votes after a hammer will not be counted, and the hammered player is the one who will flip. The time following a hammer is Twilight, and all players may continue talking.
   
7. No lynch will occur if deadline is reached without a hammer.
   
8. Players should cease talking as soon as twilight ends.
   Twilight exists mainly for the moderator, not the players. Do not rely too heavily upon it.

Activity and Deadline Rules

1.

Day 1 lasts 14 days. Day 2 lasts 10 days. All other days last 7 days. Nights last 48 hours.

2.

Day extensions are rare and are evaluated on a case-by-case basis.

2a. A minimum of 24 hours will be alloted to any player that replaces in. (More time may be granted if the thread is long.)
2b. Extensions for holidays (especially American holidays) will generally be accepted and/or announced in advance.
2c. Extensions for site down-time will be made as appropriate.
2d.

Other extension requests are likely to be rejected.

3.

Nights may be extended if a replacement is needed.

There will be a minimum of 24 hours between the time a replacement is found and when night actions are due.
4. You will be

prodded after 36 hours

of inactivity except on weekends (

Saturday, Sunday, and Monday

) where you will be

prodded after 60 hours

of inactivity.
4a. Unless the thread is locked,

all prods must be responded to by posting in-thread.

All prods should be responded to within 36 hours of when the prod was issued.

5.

You can prod dodge, but 2 prod dodges are equivalent to a single prod.

If you are prodded again from prod-dodging, you may not prod dodge. While a subjective rule, prod dodges are objectively defined as posts that consist of little or no content related to the game with the sole purpose of avoiding prodding. Minimum content is not defined here as to mitigate abuse, but do realize that this rule is applied as objectively as possible.
6.

V/LAs should generally be announced in-thread, not by pm. You should also set V/LA in the User CP to make sure I do not forget.

7. If you have

regular weekend V/LA

, it is

your reponsibility

to either inform me at the end of

each week

or to remember to set V/LA status.
8.

V/LA players must post at least once every 96 hours.

Excessively long V/LAs (

14 days or longer

) may have stricter requirements imposed on them.
9. This game may have a brief, initial pre-game phase. The moderator will track votes for reference purposes, but all votes will be reset at the start of Day 1.

You are expected to post during this phase.

Pre-game will end after

48 hours

.
10. Your activity will be closely monitored.

I reserve the right to warn and replace players whom I believe are exploiting loopholes in the activity rules.

11.

To be clear, you are expected to post more than the bare minimum that is dictated by the prodding rules.

Setup Details

1. All private threads possess day talk unless otherwise specified.
2. The standard win conditions are as follow:

Spoiler: Win Conditions

2a.

Town

: You win when all threats to the town are eliminated and at least one townie is still alive.
2b.

Mafia

: You win when all threats to the mafia are eliminated and at least one mafioso is still alive or when nothing can prevent this from happening.
2c.

Werewolves

: You win when all threats to the werewolves are eliminated and at least one werewolf is still alive or when nothing can prevent this from happening.
2d.

Aliens

: You win when all threats to the aliens are eliminated and at least one alien is still alive or when nothing can prevent this from happening.
2e.

Pirates

: You win when all threats to the pirates are eliminated and at least one pirate is still alive or when nothing can prevent this from happening.
2f.

Serial Killer

: You win when all threats to you are eliminated and you either a) are currently alive or b) were alive in the previous phase or when nothing can prevent this from happening.
2g.

Cult

: You win when all threats to the cult have been eliminated and at least one cultist is still alive or when nothing can prevent this from happening.
2h.

Neutral Survivor

: You win if you are alive at the end of the game. You may win with other factions.
2i.

Jester

: You win if you are lynched. You may win with other factions.
2j.

Unjester

: You win if you are not lynched. You may win with other factions.
2k.

Lyncher

: You win if your target is lynched. You may win with other factions.

3.

This game is bastard.

Expect anything and everything, including the moderator confirming information that is strictly untrue (e.g.: a werewolf as aligned with the town).
3a. Normally blacklisted combinations like Mafia Masons and Werewolf Innocent Child are explicitly allowed in this setup.
4. This setup uses the Grand Idea Mafia roles #0 to #6400. Broken and other unusuitable roles (as deemed by the moderator) have been rerolled.
5.

Balance is explicitly not guaranteed.

The setup will not be rerolled even if faction sizes are unbalanced.

The setup will only be rerolled if there are fewer than three town-aligned players or fewer than one Mafia, Werewolf, or Alien aligned player.

The setup

must

consist of

at least one Mafia, Werewolf, or Alien aligned player as well as at least three town-aligned players.

If it does not, the setup will be rerolled.

If the setup must be rerolled, please allow the moderator up to

48 hours

to reroll the setup.
6. During the setup/design phase, you will receive a pm from the moderator with three role choices. (Note that the exact post number of each choice will not be shown as cop sanities and other hidden moderator information are a thing in Grand Idea. These numbers will be shown on discard though.)

You must pick one choice for your alignment (check the standard win conditions above and see if the color used in the role pm and the role name matches one of these), one for your role, and one to discard.

If you have further questions about how this works,

please PM me your questions

.
6a. All discards are public and will include the true role name (you may see a different one when offered your three choices) as well as the corresponding post number in the Grand Idea Mafia thread.
7. Unless a role in Grand Idea Mafia explicitly states to reroll the role, each set of choices have mutually disjoint post numbers in the Grand Idea Mafia thread. (In other words, barring rerolls, if there is only one Town 100x Vigilante in the Grand Idea Mafia thread, it will only appear once in this setup.)

[Ircher]

I will now begin sending out choice pms. You must pick one choice for your alignment, one choice for your role, and one choice to discard. If you have further questions or need an example, please pm me.

Once I have sent everyone their choices, I will unlock the thread.

You are expected to post at least once in the thread during the setup/design phase.

Failure to do so will result in a prod.

Players that do not pick up their choices pm within (expired on 2019-07-02 14:00:00) will be replaced. The setup/design phase will end once I have received everyone's picks and the deadline expires. I will then send role pms and the game will begin.

[Ircher]

And all choices pms have been sent.

Remember, you must post at least once during the setup/design phase.

You can talk about what you picked; you can post something completely off-topic;

just make sure you post at least once

.

[Chemist1422]

Yo

I like my role

[Gamma Emerald]

Hello there.

So I got a role that gave me the ability to control the setup and it's now 13 town to 4 scum, guaranteed. Unless something else somehow takes priority which would suck.

[Chemist1422]

Hello there.

So I got a role that gave me the ability to control the setup and it's now 13 town to 4 scum, guaranteed. Unless something else somehow takes priority which would suck.

How does that work given that we can pick our choices?

is this why two of my cards were aliens

[Gamma Emerald]

It was one of my choices and I took it.

[nomnomnom]

Hello there.

So I got a role that gave me the ability to control the setup and it's now 13 town to 4 scum, guaranteed. Unless something else somehow takes priority which would suck.

I'm not sure how that works.

Can you also detail what "4 scums" mean here?

[Korina]

I didn't get any cult, so I'm gonna shitpost.
I also didn't read the thread before taking my role.

[Chemist1422]

It was one of my choices and I took it.

Can you find it in the GIM thread and link it?

[nomnomnom]

Also I honestly got 3 really tame roles, which is a surprise given the pool of roles.

[Chemist1422]

I didn't get any cult, so I'm gonna shitpost.
I also didn't read the thread before taking my role.

same probably same and same

Also I honestly got 3 really tame roles, which is a surprise given the pool of roles.

I didn’t. I got two aliens and a spirit voter

So

[Arcfield]

I two interesting roles and that annoying VT

[Chemist1422]

By the way I don’t actually know my alignment at this point

[Ircher]

By the way, I'll accept changes in picks up until the earlier posted deadline.

[Chemist1422]

By the way, I'll accept changes in picks up until the earlier posted deadline.

Oh okay then

[Chemist1422]

I think Gamma’s lying just because I got mod-chosen as my alignment and the only logical interaction with Gamma’s role forbids that

[nomnomnom]

I two interesting roles and that annoying VT

Scum picker post.

It's not too late to pick that VT.

[Debbie Doggie Do]

Rebbie Roggie Ro reporting for ruty! I really wanted to be a rirate but RI didn't get the chance.

[Chemist1422]

inb4 mod puts me on a scumteam with gamma

[Debbie Doggie Do]

Rayyyy I get to play with Ranic! It's nice to have a friend to play with, I ruv redgerogs!

[Chemist1422]

here we go again

[Debbie Doggie Do]

here we go again

Spoiler:

[Arcfield]

I two interesting roles and that annoying VT

Scum picker post.

It's not too late to pick that VT.

I will never pick VT!