Big Four Mafia! Game Over!

[jjh927]

The issue with there being a 3p in this setup is that scum is called metallica and town is called not-metallica

So Drew's 3p falls into the not-metallica category

[Doctor Drew]

I was just wondering if there was a tell I didn't notice I was doing that mad me obv third party.

Definitely not

I considered it briefly with setup

then I looked at wincons and totally ruled it out

then you claimed bulletproof and I just sat around pleased with myself

Well Hi5 for awesome PR hunting!

There are many many thrash bands that could be considered for the Big 4.

As a metal head, I was actually surprised this wasn't a multi ball setup.

[jjh927]

The best PR hunting was by accident when we killed Crimson

I actually found a post saying what I did about how the mechanically optimal kill was probably BS but I was quite happy to kill Crimson even though informed was probably his entire role because he'd need killing eventually


but I did spot the masons, BS' limitation, and bulletproof drew. So that's something. A lot of our night actions were just hedging bets, eg tracking BS the night we vanillaised him in case we got one of the other 2 people instead so we'd know who he targeted and thus have a safe kill target for the next night.

[jjh927]

Anyway

[Lavender]

Oh is it GG?

[Lavender]

I’m still baffled about how everyone decided to K.O me.

Who were le evils?
Was this a good game?

Am I still bad at mafia? Yeah pretty much. :s
I always get some fun, no-info roles.

Who invited me to this game anyways, they never responded in Discord smh.

[Blatant Scum]

No

There's no reason BS can't be vanillaizer

I mean. The setup would be really scumsided if my doctor claim would be fake.

Did you crumb your role?

Crumb?

Blatant Scum, why did you ask this question when in the recently finished Micc Newbie game you asked the same thing and got an answer a over a week ago? I have quoted you asking the question in that game for your reference below.

crum

Crumb x Breadcrumb.
I am also *very* bad in enhancing my vocabulary.

[Blatant Scum]

Nevermind.

[Yodavader]

Well, I will try to be more active in games. I know it doesn't help the game one way or the other if I just stay quiet in the background.

[jjh927]

When's deb gonna end the game

[Titus]

Sorry Gobble. I really thought we could win this. The catch was the town needed to respect scum weren't going to vanillaize themselves early and just follow and finish my solve.

It just sucked we had the unforeseeable third party.

[gobbledygook]

It wasn’t your fault Titus. It honestly seems like town had less than 1% chance to win when I replaced in

[chennisden]

It was very frustrating dealing with you, which is probably a good sign since I was scum

[chennisden]

Inside my head I was going

CAN YOU? HELP ME? PUSH THE? MISLYNCH PLEASE?

[gobbledygook]

I was just vote hopping to try and find where the resistance was. Alch was obvscum and then when JJh wouldn’t commit to a read on Alch or Drew’s claim it confirmed he was scum to me. If Creature had legit not done what he did, this game would have gone to 3P LyLo for sure.

[The Baker]

Unheavenly Creatures - VC 1.2 FINAL

Creature SHREDDED (5): gobbledygook, Doctor Drew, Chennisden, jjh927, YodaVader
Blatant Scum (1): Creature
Doctor Drew (1): yurkin
YodaVader (1): Blatant Scum
With 8 alive it took 5 to SHRED.

[The Baker]

Well, well, headbangers. The fight has come to an end. With that last Non-Metallica SHRED, the evil Metallica members have solidified their position as the greatest Thrash Metal band in history. As a Megadeth lifer, this pains me deeply. The reunion tour never should have happened. We lost many great musicians.

Give it up for your winning Scum Team!

Spoiler: James Hetfield

jjh927

Welcome to Big Four Mafia. You are James Hetfield, lead vocalist and rhythm guitarist for

Metallica

since 1981.
You are a

Godfather

and a part of this game's Informed Minority.
Your partners are your fellow bandmates Kirk Hammett(Alchemist21), Robert Trujillo(Chennisden), and Lars Ulrich(YodaVader).

Abilities:
- During the day you may vote for someone to get them killed.
- You may talk to your partners at any time in your Tour Bus
Each night, you and your partners will decide on a factional kill to perform.
If you are targeted by a Metallicop, you will return a Not-Metallica result.
Fake flavor claim if needed: You are Kerry King, guitarist for Slayer since 1981.


Win Condition:
- You and the rest of your band win when there is at least one

Metallica Member

left alive and all

Not-Metallica Members

are dead or nothing can prevent this from happening.

The game thread is here. Please confirm by replying to this role PM with your role and alignment, and a summary of any abilities you have.

Spoiler: Kirk Hammett

Alchemist21

Welcome to Big Four Mafia. You are Kirk Hammett, lead guitarist for

Metallica

since 1983.
You are a

Traffic Analyst

and a part of this game's Informed Minority.
Your partners are your fellow bandmates James Hetfield(jjh927), Robert Trujillo(Chennisden), and Lars Ulrich(YodaVader).

Abilities:
- During the day you may vote for someone to get them killed.
- You may talk to your partners at any time in your Tour Bus
- Each night, you and your partners will decide on a factional kill to perform.
- Each night, you may target another player in the game. You will learn if that player has access to communication outside of the main game thread or not.
- Fake flavor claim if needed: You are Charlie Benante, the drummer for Anthrax since 1981.


Win Condition:
- You and the rest of your band win when there is at least one

Metallica Member

left alive and all

Not-Metallica Members

are dead or nothing can prevent this from happening.

The game thread is here. Please confirm by replying to this role PM with your role and alignment, and a summary of any abilities you have.

Spoiler: Lars Ulrich

YodaVader

Welcome to Big Four Mafia. You are Lars Ulrich, Drummer for

Metallica

since 1981.
You are a

Compulsive Triplet Vanillaizer

and a part of this game's Informed Minority.
Your partners are your fellow bandmates James Hetfield(jjh927), Kirk Hammett(Alchemist21), and Robert Trujillo(Chennisden).

Abilities:
- During the day you may vote for someone to get them killed.
- You may talk to your partners at any time in your Tour Bus
- Each night, you and your partners will decide on a factional kill to perform.
- Each night, you must choose three players in the game. One of these three will be randomly chosen (through a RNG) and you will remove any role that this player has, making them vanilla.
- If you do not submit three players (your partners may do this for you in the Tour Bus if needed) I will use a RNG to pick three players, then use a RNG again to decide which one will get Vanillaized.
- Fake flavor claim if needed: You are Paul Bostaph, drummer for Slayer from 1992–1996, 1997–2001, and since 2013.


Win Condition:
- You and the rest of your band win when there is at least one

Metallica Member

left alive and all

Not-Metallica Members

are dead or nothing can prevent this from happening.

The game thread is here. Please confirm by replying to this role PM with your role and alignment, and a summary of any abilities you have.

Spoiler: Robert Trujillo

Chennisden

Welcome to Big Four Mafia. You are Robert Trujillo, bassist for

Metallica

since 2003.
You are a

Tracker

and a part of this game's Informed Minority.
Your partners are your fellow bandmates James Hetfield(jjh927), Kirk Hammett(Alchemist21), and Lars Ulrich(YodaVader).

Abilities:
- During the day you may vote for someone to get them killed.
- You may talk to your partners at any time in your Tour Bus
- Each night, you and your partners will decide on a factional kill to perform.
- Each night, you may target another player in the game. You will learn who that player has targeted that night, if they have in fact targeted someone.
- Fake flavor claim if needed: You are Frank Bello, bassist for Anthrax from 1984–2004 and since 2005.


Win Condition:
- You and the rest of your band win when there is at least one

Metallica Member

left alive and all

Not-Metallica Members

are dead or nothing can prevent this from happening.

The game thread is here. Please confirm by replying to this role PM with your role and alignment, and a summary of any abilities you have.

But wait! There's more! While the American Big Four were so wrapped up in their own problems they never even noticed the foreigner among them. We have a winning survivor as well, hailing from the Great White North.

Spoiler: Jeff Waters

Doctor Drew

Welcome to Big Four Mafia. You are Jeff Waters, the guy behind Annihilator. In this band you do all of the following: lead guitar, backing vocals (since 1984), bass (1984–2016, and since 2017), lead vocals (1985–1986, 1994–1997, and since 2015).
You've been working your ass off making thrash bangers the entire time the "Big Four" have been a thing. Where's your recognition? Most people don't know that Annihilator has been at the top of the Canadian Big Four for decades.
The Big Four don't know you've been hanging around the tour. You better keep it that way until they've finished fighting.
You are a

One-Shot Bulletproof Annihilator (Survivor)

and a part of this game's Third Party.

Abilities:
- During the day you may vote for someone to get them killed.
You will survive one death.
Fake flavor claim if needed: You are Dan Spitz, lead guitarist for Anthrax from 1983–1995 and 2005–2007


Win Condition:
- You must survive until either the

Metallica Members

or the

Non-Metallica Members

have achieved their wincon. You will then win and finally get recognition for your greatness.

The game thread is here. Please confirm by replying to this role PM with your role and alignment, and a summary of any abilities you have.

Sorry peeps, I was rooting for you because Metallica sux.
The Town:

Spoiler: Dave Mustaine

Flubbernugget

Welcome to Big Four Mafia. You are Dave Mustaine, lead vocalist and guitarist for

Megadeth

since 1983.
You are an

Odd-Night Commuting Miller

and a part of this game's Uninformed Majority.

Abilities:
- During the day you may vote for someone to get them killed.
- If you are targeted by a Metallicop, you will return a Metallica result.
- Starting night one and then on every odd-night henceforth, you will commute outside of the game and will return a no-result if targeted by any other player.
- You will also be immune to any kills sent your way on a night you are commuting.

Win Condition:
- You and the rest of the Big Four win when there is at least one

Non-Metallica Member

left alive and all

Metallica Members

are dead or nothing can prevent this from happening.

The game thread is here. Please confirm by replying to this role PM with your role and alignment, and a summary of any abilities you have.

Spoiler: David Ellefson

Looker

Welcome to Big Four Mafia. You are David Ellefson, bassist for

Megadeth

from 1983-2002 and since 2010.
You are a

Super Saint

and a part of this game's Uninformed Majority.

Abilities:
- During the day you may vote for someone to get them killed.
- If you are killed during the day, the person who hammered you will also die.

Win Condition:
- You and the rest of the Big Four win when there is at least one

Non-Metallica Member

left alive and all

Metallica Members

are dead or nothing can prevent this from happening.

The game thread is here. Please confirm by replying to this role PM with your role and alignment, and a summary of any abilities you have.

Spoiler: Dirk Verbeuren

Creature

Welcome to Big Four Mafia. You are Dirk Verbeuren, drummer for

Megadeth

since 2016.
You are a

One-Shot Neighborizer

and a part of this game's Uninformed Majority.

Abilities:
- During the day you may vote for someone to get them killed.
- Once during the game, you may create a permanent neighborhood between two players.
- If you are not one of the two players, you will not have access to the neighborhood.

Win Condition:
- You and the rest of the Big Four win when there is at least one

Non-Metallica Member

left alive and all

Metallica Members

are dead or nothing can prevent this from happening.

The game thread is here. Please confirm by replying to this role PM with your role and alignment, and a summary of any abilities you have.

Spoiler: Kiko Loureiro

Blatant Scum

Welcome to Big Four Mafia. You are Kiko Loureiro, guitarist for

Megadeth

since 2015.
You are a

Doctor

and a part of this game's Uninformed Majority.

Abilities:
- During the day you may vote for someone to get them killed.
- Each night, you may target a a player. That player cannot die overnight.
- You cannot choose the same target two nights in a row.

Win Condition:
- You and the rest of the Big Four win when there is at least one

Non-Metallica Member

left alive and all

Metallica Members

are dead or nothing can prevent this from happening.

The game thread is here. Please confirm by replying to this role PM with your role and alignment, and a summary of any abilities you have.

Spoiler: Marty Friedman

gobbledygook

Welcome to Big Four Mafia. You are Marty Friedman, guitarist for

Megadeth

from 1990-2000.
You are a

Luthier

and a part of this game's Uninformed Majority.

Abilities:
- During the day you may vote for someone to get them killed.
- Each night, you may target a player. You will learn if they are a guitarist or not.
- Bassists do not count.

Win Condition:
- You and the rest of the Big Four win when there is at least one

Non-Metallica Member

left alive and all

Metallica Members

are dead or nothing can prevent this from happening.

The game thread is here. Please confirm by replying to this role PM with your role and alignment, and a summary of any abilities you have.

Spoiler: Nick Menza

Gamma Emerald

Welcome to Big Four Mafia. You are Nick Menza, drummer for

Megadeth

from 1989-1998 and 2004.
You are a

One-Shot Neighborizer

and a part of this game's Uninformed Majority.

Abilities:
- During the day you may vote for someone to get them killed.
- Once during the game, you may create a permanent neighborhood between two players.
- If you are not one of the two players, you will not have access to the neighborhood.

Win Condition:
- You and the rest of the Big Four win when there is at least one

Non-Metallica Member

left alive and all

Metallica Members

are dead or nothing can prevent this from happening.

The game thread is here. Please confirm by replying to this role PM with your role and alignment, and a summary of any abilities you have.

Spoiler: Tom Araya

Titus

Welcome to Big Four Mafia. You are Tom Araya, lead vocalist and bassist for

Slayer

since 1981.
You are a

Mason

and a part of this game's Uninformed Majority.

Abilities:
- During the day you may vote for someone to get them killed.
- You have a private Tour Bus with Joey Belladonna(pisskop). You may converse with them at any time.
- You know that they are also a

Non-Metallica Member

Win Condition:
- You and the rest of the Big Four win when there is at least one

Non-Metallica Member

left alive and all

Metallica Members

are dead or nothing can prevent this from happening.

The game thread is here. Please confirm by replying to this role PM with your role and alignment, and a summary of any abilities you have.

Spoiler: Dave Lombardo

yurkin

Welcome to Big Four Mafia. You are Dave Lombardo, drummer for

Slayer

from 1981–1986, 1987–1992, and 2001–2013.
You are a

Godfather of Double Vote

and a part of this game's Uninformed Majority.

Abilities:
- During the day you may vote for someone to get them killed.
- Every vote you make during the day counts as two votes.

Win Condition:
- You and the rest of the Big Four win when there is at least one

Non-Metallica Member

left alive and all

Metallica Members

are dead or nothing can prevent this from happening.

The game thread is here. Please confirm by replying to this role PM with your role and alignment, and a summary of any abilities you have.

Spoiler: Jeff Hanneman

Lavender

Welcome to Big Four Mafia. You are Jeff Hanneman, guitarist for

Slayer

from 1981–2013.
You are a

Tree Stump

and a part of this game's Uninformed Majority.

Abilities:
- During the day you may vote for someone to get them killed.
- If you are killed in any way, you instead become a Tree Stump. You may continue to post in the game but your votes will not count.

Win Condition:
- You and the rest of the Big Four win when there is at least one

Non-Metallica Member

left alive and all

Metallica Members

are dead or nothing can prevent this from happening.

The game thread is here. Please confirm by replying to this role PM with your role and alignment, and a summary of any abilities you have.

Spoiler: Joey Belladonna

pisskop

Welcome to Big Four Mafia. You are Joey Belladonna, lead vocalist for

Anthrax

from 1984-1992, 2005-2007 and since 2010.
You are a

Mason

and a part of this game's Uninformed Majority.

Abilities:
- During the day you may vote for someone to get them killed.
- You have a private Tour Bus with Tom Araya(Titus). You may converse with them at any time.
- You know that they are also a

Non-Metallica Member

Win Condition:
- You and the rest of the Big Four win when there is at least one

Non-Metallica Member

left alive and all

Metallica Members

are dead or nothing can prevent this from happening.

The game thread is here. Please confirm by replying to this role PM with your role and alignment, and a summary of any abilities you have.

Spoiler: Scott Ian

Crimson97

Welcome to Big Four Mafia. You are Scott Ian, guitarist for

Anthrax

since 1981.
You are an

Informed Metallicop

and a part of this game's Uninformed Majority.

Abilities:
- During the day you may vote for someone to get them killed.
- Each night you may target a player. You will learn whether they are a

Metallica Member

or a

Non-Metallica Member

.
- You are informed of the existence of a Vanillaizer in the game.

Win Condition:
- You and the rest of the Big Four win when there is at least one

Non-Metallica Member

left alive and all

Metallica Members

are dead or nothing can prevent this from happening.

The game thread is here. Please confirm by replying to this role PM with your role and alignment, and a summary of any abilities you have.

Spoiler: Innocent Metalhead

Egix96

Welcome to Big Four Mafia. You are an

Informed Innocent Metalhead

and a part of this game's Uninformed Majority. You just stumbled into the backstage area after the show and are now stuck in some drama you have nothing to do with. Good thing they all know it.

Abilities:
- During the day you may vote for someone to get them killed.
- At any point in the game, you may ask me to mod-confirm your alignment to the rest of the game.
- You are informed that there are no Vanilla roles.

Win Condition:
- You and the Big Four win when there is at least one

Non-Metallica Member

left alive and all

Metallica Members

are dead or nothing can prevent this from happening.

The game thread is here. Please confirm by replying to this role PM with your role and alignment, and a summary of any abilities you have.

Here are links to all PTs:
Metallica Tour Bus
Joey and Tom Tour Bus
Doctor Drew and Gamma Emerald Tour Bus
Tour Bus in Hell
Titus and Alchemist21 Tour Bus

[gobbledygook]

Vanillalizer op, ty for the game DEB!
Gg scums

[Romeo and Juliet]

Gg

[Romeo and Juliet]

We got incredibly lucky on vanillaizer targets btw

don't think RNG was a great way to gate it.

[Alchemist21]

Good game everyone.

[chennisden]

Btw - we vanillaized yesterday because it was compulsive. So I got on 30 minutes before and last second used the last submission

[Looker]

[The Baker]

I love all kinds of music, but metal is my home. I just wanted to bring the fun of the Big Four nostalgia to a Mafia game. I personally hate getting stuck being VT, there's just nothing to do, so I wanted to make a game where no one would have that feeling...initially. I think I'm in the minority with that thinking, as I know many people enjoy being just a normie town. So role madness is a thing, but I really liked the mechanic of a vanillaizer when I saw it on the wiki. I thought it would be a nice excuse to make no one vanilla and throw in the possibility to become one. Having a vanillaizer just choose their person seemed too powerful and uninteresting. So the RNG part of the role came to me. I like the use of chance in games, it adds an element that no one can control. I made the vanillaizer Lars Ulrich since it made sense flavor wise. Lars gets shat upon for being not a very good drummer, or at least a pretty boring one. Exhibit A So I thought it would be funny if he couldn't control his power, like he can't control his drum sticks irl.

Of course, this was the main mechanic on which the setup was based. I then found other fun connections that only really made sense for those who understood the Big Four Flavor. David Ellefson being Super Saint because he became super religious, Dave Mustaine being a miller since he was in both Metallica and Megadeth, Dave Lombardo being a double voter because he is known as the Godfather of the Double Bass etc. I tried to make a game that I would enjoy being a part of.

Our problems arose with the incredible amount of replacements. I think our final total was 11! This really got me a bit flustered and brought the game to many stand-stills. If this hadn't happened I think we would have had a very different game.
This, along with the general apathy I felt from some players kept us from what I think is a really fun setup.

Now to talk about the 3p stuff. As you all saw I'm sure, Creature was a big fan of this role being in the game. I think a secret 3p or a public 3p work in different ways for different reasons. In this game, I didn't want the 3p to be known. The point of the flavor was for the Big Four to be so engrossed in their own shit to even know that there was something else happening around them. They were only a survivor, I would understand the spite surrounding a secret, killing 3p. But all they had to do was live. If you know me, you know I love a good 3p, if you don't, well now you do. I advertised as Baker-Level Bastard, which even if you don't know what that means, you should be able to deduce that probably some odd shit is gonna be occurring. This setup was very odd, but I tried to make it as fun as possible.

Now for where I call out my own shit.
I made a few mistakes, I truly am sorry about that. First, I wasn't present at times as much as I wish I was. I was much busier than I thought I was going to be, but that isn't really an excuse. As a mod I should always be present for game-related issues/occurrences, especially game ends and starts. Second, on a few occasions I answered questions that I probably shouldn't have answered. So many people had questions about the vannilazer mechanic, from both sides, so I wanted to make sure people got all the info I could give. In the end though, just answering them gave away too much. That wasn't fair to the whole game as I was technically giving more information to some players than others, I am sorry. This was my first big game, and I was super nervous throughout the whole thing which led me to make silly mistakes like this. I just wanted everyone to be happy.
Also, the scum team should not have gotten to know who they vanillaized/if it was successful. I realized this on D2 but felt that since I had already done it once, it would be unfair to change during the game. In hindsight this gave the scum team a lot more info, leading to a lot more power.

Anyway, I hope you all were able to derive some fun/happiness from this game throughout all of the replacements and mishaps. I just want to give people a place to play this awesome game that we all love, and put my own twist on it of course.

Finally, the matter of the Golden Baguette. As I don't have my materials for the award ceremony, since I am still out of town, I will announce this the day after I get back, which will be this Saturday the 4th. But I can say that it will most likely be going to a very special Canadian Thrasher.

Thank you all for playing Big Four Mafia! A part of the growing Bakerverse. Thank you for sticking through all the lull-times-daddies, and thank you to everyone who replaced in, without you I don't know where we would be. Probably D2. This has been a earning experience for me, so thank you for enduring the misteps. I hope to bring you all even better games in the future. Look out for Twice Baked Wrestling, coming to a territory near you!

[Romeo and Juliet]

Thank you for modding Baker. I had a lot of fun dastardly planning quickhammers with my team