mystery box of silver 10. (done)

[April Ludgate]

Why, isn’t it little ol me, back from perry. Why you all look like a feathered whisper of a crew, a real hoot and a half.

[April Ludgate]

Why, isn’t it little ol me, back from perry. Why you all look like a feathered whisper of a crew, a real hoot and a half.

this is probably scum tbh

I’d be posting way more if I were scum here, Menalque. Go check Animal U pick. I’ve read like nothing of this game. Bad time for me to have it start. I’m tryin to catch up.

[April Ludgate]

Why, isn’t it little ol me, back from perry. Why you all look like a feathered whisper of a crew, a real hoot and a half.

this is probably scum tbh

I’d be posting way more if I were scum here, Menalque. Go check Animal U pick. I’ve read like nothing of this game. Bad time for me to have it start. I’m tryin to catch up.

You hard lurk and then post later as scum too, and we both know it, Aprilino. it's NAI

~Buttercup

I active lurk as scum, though, there’s the difference.

[April Ludgate]

Read from where my first post was on. I was gonna target Menalque, but people went at him, and i think he’s town now

[April Ludgate]

Mastina and I won a scum game after she flipped scum and I was just set up perfectly to coast. Final 3, the townies cross voted for me.

[April Ludgate]

April Ludgate is undefeated.

[April Ludgate]

April Ludgate is undefeated.

@PlusJOYED: Sorry for having doubted your tip on this earlier.

You love me, A50. You just don’t know who I am. I’m not stealthed.

[April Ludgate]

April Ludgate is undefeated.

@PlusJOYED: Sorry for having doubted your tip on this earlier.

You love me, A50. You just don’t know who I am. I’m not stealthed.

I’m your favorite.

[April Ludgate]

April Ludgate is undefeated.

@PlusJOYED: Sorry for having doubted your tip on this earlier.

You love me, A50. You just don’t know who I am. I’m not stealthed.

I’m your favorite.

I...am Overkill.

[April Ludgate]

If I were a Powerpuff Girl, I’d be Blasphemous.

[April Ludgate]

I claim the largest ego in this game.

~Buttercup

Ha, you thought

[April Ludgate]

Plus-scum gunning for Mastina-town wouldnt make sense. such a counterproductive play. So assume Plus is town unless Mastina flips scum first?

This is what I do most games I’m scum in and Mastina is in the game.

To be fair, we do it when we are TvT too, but i definitely have made it to a point to fun for Mastina when i was scum and she was town, so I don’t agree with the overall sentiment, but i like plus for town.

[April Ludgate]

I claim the largest ego in this game.

~Buttercup

Ha, you thought

I am the greatest scum hunter and launchbait this site has ever seen

~Buttercup

We weren’t talking about that, though, we said greatest ego.

I am the greatest village idiot this site has ever seen.

[April Ludgate]

I read the entire game, need time to digest what I think. Taking a different approach this game, keeping reads closer to my chest. I’ve been tryharding a lot lately, and this is a big game, so I’ll be in and out probably

[April Ludgate]

@Bell - don’t expect that it would be feigning scum ignorance full front. Scum don’t like to read rules either. in regards to the Mastina question. I personally am town reading Mastina here.

[April Ludgate]

Mastina won’t do anything as scum that they wouldn’t do as town.

[April Ludgate]

As town, i always forget to capitalise my 'i's. as scum, i always fakeclaim loud vengeful fruit vendor

~Buttercup

You can tell if I’m typing on my busted iPad or not if my I’s aren’t capitalized, and there’s a sense of fuck all when it comes to spelling and punctuation. Or typos.

[April Ludgate]

Oh i forgot about you AL. I think you might be scum too

Can you keep this exact level of pushing me so I can coast until like Day 4?

[April Ludgate]

Mastina won’t do anything as scum that they wouldn’t do as town.

Except faking a case on town and miseliminating them by day, or straight up shooting them at night, you mean??

She’s gonna call the same stuff out as either alignment, even if you are partners with her.

It’s the level that she pushes is the difference.

[April Ludgate]

Actually, here's my first serious vote 9actually my first in-game vote, since my RVS went to a spectator)

VOTE: Gamma

Gamma has been on MS for 4.5 hours now. He made 47 public posts (the last if which was maybe 2 minutes ago) but is yet to even make an ego post in this game.

To be fair, this game’s huge, and if you’re not in it, or plan to be, i can understand why.

If anything this is probably more town indicative for me.



Side note, I have an 8p Micro game in queue with the theme of Guillermo Del Toro’s The Shape of Water, should be a fun small ride. It’s taking long to fill than my large themes.

Just in case anyone is looking for a small game to play.

[April Ludgate]

Gamma prob town

[April Ludgate]

I...am Overkill.

This is news to me

Flavor “The Overkill” Leaf. Winning in Overkill 2 for that Hannibal Lector got me the self proclaimed nickname.

[April Ludgate]

April “Rawr I AM A DRAGON” Ludgate is also one.

[April Ludgate]

Just reading that post, and not knowing what happened, I say just move past it, and continue the game from here rather than keep bringing it up. Keep a tab ready to comment about it post game if ya need to.

[April Ludgate]

I’d also be surprisingly okay with a CFD on april

on what day would you like to be eliminated, flavor?

I’ll say Day 3 if I haven’t done shit.

But like, this looks like the start of me doing something, so unlucky for you guys.

[April Ludgate]

I’d also be surprisingly okay with a CFD on april

How

I would just claim investigative.

[April Ludgate]

I don’t want Gamma or Taylor, they my boo thangs.

[April Ludgate]

[quote="In [url=viewtopic.php?p=12228208#p12228208]post 1912[/url], Menalque"][quote="In [url=viewtopic.php?p=12228195#p12228195]post 1908[/url], April Ludgate"][quote="In [url=viewtopic.php?p=12228184#p12228184]post 1903[/url], Menalque"]I’d also be surprisingly okay with a CFD on april[/quote]

How

I would just claim investigative.[/quote]

And then we’d flip you anyway because we’d know scum you would always claim an investigative, it’d be fun, just like old times[/quote]

Doubt it still.

[April Ludgate]

In what world am I ever scum here with zero agency in the game

[April Ludgate]

My thoughts are Samantha is probably scum who stopped caring and TMI knows the slot is town so they know it actually did get confirmed, even if people don’t see it like that.

[April Ludgate]

I think Menalque is just one dimensional Day 1 townie this game. Further the game goes on, they’ll probably be better, so I don’t think that’s necessarily worth it for today.

[April Ludgate]

Did it happen more than once?

[April Ludgate]

The L word

[April Ludgate]

Cuz if it only happened once, just move on from it, it’s been spoken about publicly here, don’t use the L word.

It’s been so engrained into the site, that I understand why someone could say it by accident, and we just need to move past it rather than continue bringing it up.

I’ve been not using it in the games I mod for like 4-5 years now, talking about it just continues to keep it at the forefront. It’s been discussed. If they do it again, yes, do something about it, but I think we should move on with the game.

I’ll make the warning. Idgaf.

Nobody say the L-word. It was here for a while, if you played Mafia for years, it might even be engrained. I understand that. The word has needed to be changed for a while anyways, and while I don’t necessarily believe this site used in a negative way, I do fully support not using the word based on the overall connotations of it, and the current issues going on.

No more L-word.

K, let’s play some Mafia now.

[April Ludgate]

My thoughts are Samantha is probably scum who stopped caring and TMI knows the slot is town so they know it actually did get confirmed, even if people don’t see it like that.

you're sheeping me here, just to be clear.

You sheeped me

[April Ludgate]

I’m pretty sure A50 and I have been Miller Masons together before, so it’s funny we got it again

[April Ludgate]

Double I, Boonskiies, plural form is Boonski’i.

[April Ludgate]

Also, it's clear from your join date you haven't been modding games for 4-5 years.

He mods on “boonskies”

Also this is like my 9th account. This guy with the join date comment.

[April Ludgate]

Who’s Morning Mage? BM and who?

[April Ludgate]

VOTE: Samantha

End day, move on, catch scum, Repeat, not in that order

[April Ludgate]

so, we kill one of the two who've outed to make sure it's true then go from there?

I am going to have to fight against everyone to convince them that Almost50 and superbowl9 here aren't scum, won't I?

I am 100% convinced scum do not claim this way in this fashion.

And I have good reason to believe they aren't fakeclaiming, that they are realclaiming, that they are telling the truth and that they are truthfully giving unfakeable information that scum would be unlikely to know.

To be fair, I feel like I’ve seen you do this to scum before, maybe even Scum A50, but I’d have to check up.

I do think it leans Mastina townier, however.

[April Ludgate]

I’m physically not capable of flipping as scum Day 1 anymore, really the past 3-4 years.

[April Ludgate]

Who’s Morning Mage? BM and who?

Battle Mage and Morning Tweet

nice to meet you, ma'am

No, you hate me BM. I’m FL.

[April Ludgate]

The F-L A-V O-R LEAF

The only Leaf that brings the beef

[April Ludgate]

The F-L A-V O-R LEAF

The only Leaf that brings the beef

never heard of you! but good to meet you

WHAT.

He’s obv trolling.

[April Ludgate]

Fade Samantha, move to Day 2.

[April Ludgate]

I don’t care about solving large themes this early.

I just wanna coast until late game and then deep solve because scum’ll eventually try to misfade me.

[April Ludgate]

I really don’t think Gamma is scum here

[April Ludgate]

Just sheep me onto Samantha.

Morning Mage sheeped it already, so they get townie points

[April Ludgate]

Gamma’s town

[April Ludgate]

Not sure samatha's gonna be in the game much longer my friend

Then even more reason to kill her.

[April Ludgate]

Gamma’s town

Only one way to find out!

I don’t need to find out, I have a soul read.

[April Ludgate]

He’s not whining enough to be scum. As town he does it when he tunnels or getting tunneled sure

[April Ludgate]

Unless 3rd party

[April Ludgate]

Who’s BM?

[April Ludgate]

y not Gamma today and wait on a Samanta replace?

Not to deal with the Samantha replace being scum then towning up because they replaced into the gamestate and can pivot easier.

Plus, it gives us info, and doesn’t get rid of a slot that a lot of us can read more accurately later in the game.

[April Ludgate]

Too big of a game to care about PR’s.

I’m a PR, it doesn’t mean much this game probably

[April Ludgate]

I didn’t even know they were replacing out, and i still thought they were scummy for it

[April Ludgate]

Why, isn’t it little ol me, back from perry. Why you all look like a feathered whisper of a crew, a real hoot and a half.

this is probably scum tbh

I’d be posting way more if I were scum here, Menalque. Go check Animal U pick. I’ve read like nothing of this game. Bad time for me to have it start. I’m tryin to catch up.

I'm now interested in what the April case is/was because I remember that being a thing too and it hasn't really been clarified from what I've seen.

i've said it multiple times but this thread is so fucking cluttered it's a pain in the ass to read anything helpful

To be fair, it’s a large game on Day 1.

Don’t feel like you have to read every single bit of it. In situations like these, I tend to try to just be present when I am around, and fill in any blanks later by either discussing with players or looking back later in the game when it’s slower and there’s actual info in the gamez

[April Ludgate]

I literally feel like I'm the only one who has a functioning brain since BH left

I'm still here dude dw

I'm sorry but you have been bad recently too

You've been listening to April way too much

This is how people should know we’re on the right page then, because never would we otherwise be on the same page

[April Ludgate]

You can ask Almost50 what happens when I’m more trolly early game then come out late game.

[April Ludgate]

Nah I actually think superbowl looks fine even if sam does flip red @BM

They actually look better if Sam flips red.

They look TMI here if Sam flips green.

[April Ludgate]

Nah I actually think superbowl looks fine even if sam does flip red @BM

They actually look better if Sam flips red.

They look TMI here if Sam flips green.

No

You can ask Almost50 what happens when I’m more trolly early game then come out late game.

Do you do anything besides self meta?

Why fix what’s proven to work

[April Ludgate]

also, maybe April Ludgate as a hard Gamma defender. although im not sold on that.

boon/april has in the past very much hard defended his buddies.

This is true.

I’ve also been on record unable to read Gamma correctly well over he past year despite my old soul reads

[April Ludgate]

also, maybe April Ludgate as a hard Gamma defender. although im not sold on that.

You should know by now I’m more of a try hard than that. Had I been scum with Gamma, I’d have went way harder to defend him here.

[April Ludgate]

The wagons will judge

[April Ludgate]

Everyone who popped into this thread once gamma flipped is sus (april and DDL)

What he already flipped?!

[April Ludgate]

He hasn’t flipped yet

[April Ludgate]

This is definitely not classic FL scum.

[April Ludgate]

When have you actively seen me coast out as scum in the past 2 years?

[April Ludgate]

That’s like just straight up incorrect meta

[April Ludgate]

3 slots left in my Micro game, The Shape of Water. 8p, should be good.

[April Ludgate]

When have you actively seen me coast out as scum in the past 2 years?

Coasting until your buddy came under pressure*

I was clearly coasting afterwards too. I was only in the game for a small bit.

[April Ludgate]

I also don’t defend partners in that manner anymore. That’s how I always lost my scum streaks.

[April Ludgate]

I kinda did in Animals Upick, Iguess, but then I guiltied he partner I defended.

[April Ludgate]

I’ll just Vig Mena

[April Ludgate]

Why is it a relief?

I have an extreme success rate as a Vig?

I guess it’s because you don’t die, actually, so i can understand the relief actually

[April Ludgate]

You know it’s not as simple to just flip me, right

[April Ludgate]

I’m not a Vig, though you right. Good of you to detect that.

[April Ludgate]

Well, I’m town who just unfortunately defended the person who’s been yelling at me for “incorrectly reading them”.

This is just another incorrect read for me on Gamma.

[April Ludgate]

Why can’t some just investigate me?

[April Ludgate]

Like honestly, I’m a great investigation slot based on my defense of Gamma here. I just apparently can’t read Gamma anymore over the past year.

I blame it on me not rolling Town for so long.

[April Ludgate]

This is just another incorrect read for me on Gamma.

I seem to remember you claiming a high accuracy rate on gamma previously

I did.

But I definitely don’t anymore.

[April Ludgate]

Do you think I’m town, FL?

Probably

[April Ludgate]

And exactly probably.

It’s a weird scum play for you to push me here, it seems more like just obnoxious town.

[April Ludgate]

For what it’s worth, I don’t think it’s impossible for you to be scum here, i just think it’s more likely coming from town being obnoxious in twilight on an easy push at the present because I defended Gamma.

I probably won’t fight my kill.

I haven’t gotten too invested in this game quite yet, and am happy to be a supporting footnote of a role here rather than the heavy.

[April Ludgate]

You’ll know I’m town tomorrow

The burden is on you to sell me on this not being your scumgame bc it really looks like your scumgame to me

Too much effort.

I probably won’t try.

[April Ludgate]

I do theatre as town

[April Ludgate]

Why r we flipping Menalque though.

Yeah Menalque's locktown here.

Same I’m locktown

[April Ludgate]

It’s always sad when you correctly vote scum but then people wanna kill u anyway.

It’s even more sad when people wanna kill you for good reasons and but you just happen to be town.

That’s the situation I’m gonna be in tomorrow.
Should I claim now?

[April Ludgate]

It’s so ingrained in our livelihood here that it’s hard to break it, but we are breaking it

[April Ludgate]

Can I claim

[April Ludgate]

I’m gonna claim.

I’m an investigative role.

I’m not gonna be able to confirm myself as town this game, and I’m sure I’m not the only investigative out there considering the usage.

[April Ludgate]

Can I claim

No one is stopping you but I don't see why you would want to.

I like claiming. And I’m trying to be suspicious trolly here because I’m gonna get misfaded.

Gamestate awareness is my strength, I can tell what the future holds on a gamestate level.

I will be misfaded this game.

With this in mind, I’m going to do all I can to try to mech clear myself through other people.

[April Ludgate]

I will never backtrack on my soft claim. I will go further with it, but there’s not actually much further I can go with it. The next opening up on it will be the final one.

It just won’t confirm me because it’s that irrelevant.

[April Ludgate]

I’m gonna claim.

I’m an investigative role.

I’m not gonna be able to confirm myself as town this game, and I’m sure I’m not the only investigative out there considering the usage.

Wow great claim! I love it!

This guy seems to not be able to comprehend beyond a surface level, I would steer away from letting them lead late game.

They’re fine here.

[April Ludgate]

I will say join date clout matters so much on how the gamestate gets perceived.

It’s different when people who are familiar with me, but people who aren’t just treat April Ludgate so poorly, and in a way where I could do the exact same thing on a different account with an earlier join date, and it’s just so different.

I’ve been studying this for years now.

[April Ludgate]

Like seriously, stfu dude.

[April Ludgate]

Like I very rarely straight up say that, but like, yeah.

Honestly, I don’t think you can find a single instance of my 6 and a half years on site of me straight up saying that to anyone.

That’s where I’m at with the chucklefuck.

[April Ludgate]

I will say join date clout matters so much on how the gamestate gets perceived.

It’s different when people who are familiar with me, but people who aren’t just treat April Ludgate so poorly, and in a way where I could do the exact same thing on a different account with an earlier join date, and it’s just so different.

I’ve been studying this for years now.

Nope you were worse when you were overkill

How is winning a 26p kill heavy game as SK worse?

[April Ludgate]

Like seriously, stfu dude.

Sorry didn't mean to piss you off this much but I really didn't like that claim or your play so far

Then stop being surface level.

It’s a large theme game, and I purposefully troll in big games as town.

I even specifically told you, not anyone else, you, that I wanted to coast this game, and come in Day 4 and solve, which I have a proven track record of doing so.

[April Ludgate]

I am the best at WIFOM’ing the scum team.

People don’t get it in game, but post game, scum have no clue how to react to me claiming stuff like that.

I’m the type that can straight up claim Cop as Cop and WIFOM scum into thinking I’m not cop.

[April Ludgate]

Lol but if you're trolling then can't you see why I would be mad if I'm trying to actually win?

Because I play to win.

I’m like top 3 biggest try hards on site when it comes to the game of Mafia.

[April Ludgate]

I’ve like clearly stated and accepted my incorrect read on someone who I’ve been having insane difficulty reading as of late for some reason.

Gamma is constantly yelling in games at me that I can’t read him, and this even proves it.

I used to be able to.

And my defense on them, sure, I defended them for like a couple pages.

Menalque was trying to act like that was an AI thing.

I hard defend scum partners sometimes because I hard defend people when I’m town, so he’s using a meta tell that derives from my town game.

And when I defend my scum partners, I full commit and make a loud push.

And i left after a few pages here.

[April Ludgate]

Lol can I troll you one more time I think it would be really funny

But I can be serious if you're actually being frank with me

I don’t care. I’m actually incredibly easy going, I just talk a lot in passionate sarcastic ways.

I got my point across, we built that key frame in the game, so you can do as you please. I don’t get truly offended by any in game thing.

So we good, you were just prodding, and I had to let you know, I’m not gonna get pushed down as easily as you thought

[April Ludgate]

what is with this game and players being horny for self meta

Self meta works. You have to establish gamestate presence.

Certain people use it better than others, though

[April Ludgate]

Looking at how and when people use self meta is actually a pretty good way of reading people too, so I think it’s net positive on the external, but a lot of people don’t like looking at 1v1’s for some reason, even though I think 1v1’s are a great chapter for games to read on, and reading around the 1v1 is some of the best analysis you can do lategame

[April Ludgate]

Fr tho April I only play with what i know in the moment, I don't really care about join date, track record, self meta, etc. I call out bad play when I see it. If I think you're playing bad I will call you out. I'm not saying you're a bad player, but in my experience you have made bad plays. If you want to explain to me postgame why your twilight investigative claim was actually 5head feel free but if I disagree I'll disagree. That doesn't mean I'm out to get you or think you're trash though.

Pedit: oh okay then prepare yourself for the pasta

I don’t think it was a conscience choice, it’s something I’ve noticed in general, similar to avatar psychology, and I’ve also been looking at Scummie banner psychology lately, because the Don Corleone banner on FL is a freakin’ blessing and a curse.

[April Ludgate]

I can’t name a single bad play I’ve done this game.

I don’t consider defending Gamma a bad play. That’s just an incorrect read.

An incorrect read is not bad. That’s the game, scum make plays to be read incorrectly.

My claim happened in twilight and it’s very vague. People lose their mind over stuff like that, though.

[April Ludgate]

I’m also actively trying to get investigated, so I personally believe I’m playing exactly how I should be. I’m creating myself in a spot where it makes sense to investigate me.

And I am actively attempting to rectify the situation of me having an incorrect read on Gamma.

The best way for me to prove I just had an incorrect read is for someone to town clear me.

[April Ludgate]

@Super - I’m the type that even if I am cop cleared as Town, people are still gonna try to push me as scum because my gift of gab got me getting out of guilties before.

[April Ludgate]

April, please pull yourself together and agree with me about Mastina being scum!

It’s possible, but Mastina isn’t really caseable if she is scum at the moment. Would need a couple days to get an accurate case going on her.

I might be lean town on her personally, but I don’t really think her reads are perfect by any means.

[April Ludgate]

@Morning - If Mastina is scum here, I would be lean towning her probably, so like, I’m not against your push, and even kinda see your push as townie.

Especially because we both pushed Samantha in a similar way, so I just kinda am in general with you right now.

Who else was on Samantha?

[April Ludgate]

I know BM a little and this is bad faith posting which is ime very reliable as a scumtell

Nah, you just don’t like what he’s posting. Doesn’t make him scum.

[April Ludgate]

I know BM a little and this is bad faith posting which is ime very reliable as a scumtell

Nah, you just don’t like what he’s posting. Doesn’t make him scum.

No, actually, on this occasion it does make him scum

Same thing gamma did earlier with his scumresd on me. Burden of competence — BM is too good a player to legitimately have that take

Disagree.

In what world does he shade you, me, and Mastina in this gamestate as scum?

[April Ludgate]

april claimed investigative in twilight huh

Yep.

So if you’re a cop, investigate me please.

I can’t get town cleared on my role, and after defending Gamma, I have to rectify the situation.

Best way to do so is get cop cleared.

Or gunsmith cleared if there’s a gunsmith.

[April Ludgate]

april claimed investigative in twilight huh

Yes but it was a good play because scum can't kill someone with 500iq

Unless I actually want them to kill me, which is possible here.

[April Ludgate]

I think you have Flavor Fever, Menalque.

I really messed you up because of Pokemon Fusion, didn’t I?

[April Ludgate]

april claimed investigative in twilight huh

Yep.

So if you’re a cop, investigate me please.

I can’t get town cleared on my role, and after defending Gamma, I have to rectify the situation.

Best way to do so is get cop cleared.

Or gunsmith cleared if there’s a gunsmith.

Can you investigate superbowl9? It's clear you're not a cop or gunsmith so you would bypass their miller claim. Not sure what good asking will do but it's worth putting my mind at ease by asking.

I actually had decided to target Super Bowl when I asked them if I could coast until Day 4 in like my 2nd post in the game, so it’s hilarious all this is happening.

[April Ludgate]

april claimed investigative in twilight huh

Yes but it was a good play because scum can't kill someone with 500iq

Unless I actually want them to kill me, which is possible here.

Ah yes I forgot, silly fallible me.
Well let's all use our town PRs to protect and investigate april, and once everyone realizes her genius we can just sheep into an easy victory. After all they're an endgame player

Yeah, I’d be down for this.

[April Ludgate]

I personally don’t think this is my game to be the heavy, but I feel I can definitely find a deep wolf this game.

[April Ludgate]

I actually had decided to target Super Bowl when I asked them if I could coast until Day 4 in like my 2nd post in the game, so it’s hilarious all this is happening.

If you think that was a push I've got news for you

When did I say I thought that was a push?

[April Ludgate]

Okay, the PoE for tomorrow is (MM, plus, ddl, taylor, bell, pickaxe pete)

I’m gonna give TGP some more time + also sorta sheep mastina

In the (frighteningly slim) number of worlds where MM isn’t scum, april goes into the pool

You got Flava FEEEEVA

FLAVA FEEEVA

YOU GOT FLAVA FEEEVA

[April Ludgate]

That’s pretty weak Wagonomics, Menalque.

[April Ludgate]

I don’t think Titus needs to defend me here if she is scum.

[April Ludgate]

I personally think Morning Mage is bleeding town.

And you guys got one read right, so I definitely feel you are missing stuff on the other side.

That’s just how it works.

[April Ludgate]

There’s literally no reason for him to post at you guys like this as scum.

You guys just have nothing better to do in twilight, and he’s pushing you guys, so you’re biased

[April Ludgate]

And maybe I do start to see what he’s saying about Mastina.

I don’t think Menalque is scum or Titus, but you know, he might have a 1 in 3.

[April Ludgate]

And Mastina’s possibly trying to pocket Menalque who is pushing me.

Mastina town read on Menalque is a way to push me without pushing me.

Yeah, Mastina’s scum.

[April Ludgate]

I’ll probably flip flop tomorrow tbh, don’t take that too seriously Mastina

[April Ludgate]

I would worry about engaging you on this FL, if I needed you for numbers to get MM flipped tomorrow

But I don’t, so I’m not gonna bother

Overconfidence on Day 1 twilight.

Rookie mistake.

[April Ludgate]

A50 claims mason Miller like every game, and Mastina confirms the agreeance of Masons every game.

I was scum in Krazy Anime U pick and Elsa and her claimed masons, but Elsa was my partner, so I knew everything going on in Mastina’s play there.

It doesn’t make her scum by any means, but she goes along with Mason claims even if she thinks their fake.

I like that, though, as a playstyle trait.

[April Ludgate]

I feel like Menalque’s ability to debate has gone down, but I don’t know if that means he’s getting worked here.

I can’t shake the feeling of Mastina warlocking Menalque now.

[April Ludgate]

@Titus - there’s just no reason for MM to do this as scum here, which is why I think it’s town indicative.

[April Ludgate]

I feel like Menalque’s ability to debate has gone down, but I don’t know if that means he’s getting worked here.

I can’t shake the feeling of Mastina warlocking Menalque now.

Warlocking?

It’s a pocketing technique. Pocket a townie, and get them to be the strong magical demon to destroy town under your control.

I think Mastina town locked Menalque so Menalque/April would be a thing instead of me targeting Mastina.

Mastina and I had an extremely memorable scum game together earlier in the year, so I feel scum her is naturally going to be on the lookout for me because I do feel comfortable reading Mastina.

I’m not certain here, but I am seeing it as a possibility.

I wouldn’t fade Mastina unless I had more than just that, though.

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@Titus - there’s just no reason for MM to do this as scum here, which is why I think it’s town indicative.

Flailing?

I don’t think he’s flailing. I think he’s just aggro tunneling.

The thing is, I see what he’s talking about.

I understand the connection he’s drawing between the 3 of you, and I see it too, and I even have that Menalque-Mastina tie.

I just don’t think he gets that it doesn’t make you scum, but it’s Day 1.

Why does he even push any of this in twilight here if he’s scum? He just made himself look so much worse.

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That makes no sense FL, considering that mastina was probably the higher presence slot in the game until last night/maybe this evening

Why is this relevant?

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Also given that my scumreading you or not was never a locked thing either way and I don’t think mastina could have predicted which way it would go

I disagree.

You were clearly going after me. It doesn’t matter if you aren’t completely scum reading me, you are in a position to likely 1v1 me, and hurt any momentum I could possibly build.

Especially if I go after Mastina.

So if Mastina is scum, you are a buffer defense wall that I am not able to go through to her easily, if that makes sense.

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VCA isn’t that effective this early, case in point, it brings scummier for people like e who just went around that much. Especially if this is multiball. VCA is t gonna do anything more than a supplementary to a case.

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Just too many holes.

which i wouldn’t be in if i were actual scum

[April Ludgate]

I detected motion from Titus

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Was typing on my wrecked iPad, so letters went missing and auto correct went weird

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I detected motion from Titus

Can we please stop outright claiming? I literally just said so above. Titus if scum is a master scum. You don’t need to give her any outs. We still hadn’t resolved the last one where someone claimed loyal/disloyal. I seriously told you how to do it.

No.

I do my own thing with proven success. I already claimed yesterday too.

[April Ludgate]

I detected motion from Titus

Can we please stop outright claiming? I literally just said so above. Titus if scum is a master scum. You don’t need to give her any outs. We still hadn’t resolved the last one where someone claimed loyal/disloyal. I seriously told you how to do it.

No.

I do my own thing with proven success. I already claimed yesterday too.

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And I can catch master scum Titus if she is scum.

If anything, I’m the person in the game who should harness Titus if we think she is scum.

[April Ludgate]

It could go either way.

I was hoping to get a no motion to eventually catch out Titus fake claiming, but I got motion.

[April Ludgate]

Why would I be dead?

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I’m Boonskiies, Math, if you’re not aware.

I’m gonna do big things.

[April Ludgate]

I also don’t like Titus’ reads list like that, so I outed because yeah. Wasn’t gonna sit here with Taylor and I getting targeted like that.

[April Ludgate]

This is probably townPlus. Then claiming like that, I don’t see coming from scum.

[April Ludgate]

I definitely feel there’s chance for ScumTitus here to be abusing the fact she does VCA to relay her reads, but I don’t really like the conclusions she brought from it, especially considering I don’t really usually mind when Titus does VCA, so the fact that I have issues, as I’m someone who actively does VCA with success, I just feel my motion detect is now more likely to be hitting scumTitus than not, but I could be wrong, and I plan to figure that out overtime.

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This is probably townPlus. Then claiming like that, I don’t see coming from scum.

I agree that this is probably town Plus and town you just the narrow focus means that if you’re both right scum decide who to sacrifice here. And if one or more of you is wrong we have just outed more information to scum for kills destroying NKA.

So I just in general get pissed when people don’t slow play it at least an RL day.

I WIFOM scum team, so I can claim IC and play in a certain way and scum won’t kill me, then they regret not killing me. People forget I actively jest

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I’m not wrong. There was motion on Titus, I didn’t push that it auto made her scum. As far as I’m concerned, I wouldn’t even think imm that high up on the kill priority as a MD, and if I draw a kill, that’s fine anyways.

Scum will try to push me this game.

[April Ludgate]

I detected motion from Titus

to be clear, you detected motion FROM titus, as in titus moved? or you detected motion TO titus, as in someone moved on titus? because my understanding of motion detector is that you detect incoming movement.

Could be either. I’m not stating she’s lock scum or anything, or even more likely scum.

I just thought it should be noted. I almost didn’t wanna claim it, but I didn’t like her VCA conclusions.

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i don't think the md claim is worth much tbh

actually i think it's more likely to be a fakeclaim than a legit guilty because tracker/MD in the same setup don't make a ton of sense

Yes, they do. It’s a giant game, and my claim really can just confirm other things.

At the same time, I was comfortable saying it with the idea that some people might think it’s fake.

All the better to see you with, grandma

[April Ludgate]

Creature that one time I claimed Miller as scum.

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I don’t mind the VCA in general, it’s just the reliance on it, in proposed multiball, Day 1.

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Yeah, how’s that feel?

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Where’s the Miller claim again, for people not following along?

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So you’re all 3rd party?

Last time I messed with a neighborhood group claim, things got wrecked

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i don't believe, at the very least, everyone in that hood has a town wincon.

Same

[April Ludgate]

Last time I saw a neighborhood with “all confirmed to be town” they didn’t all end up being town.

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What’s the 3rd party wincon then?

[April Ludgate]

A50 check the hood.

Pedit: The hood started with me, Nero, mastina. We added A50.

This feels like asking A50 to go along with a gambit and reasoning it to him.

[April Ludgate]

@Bell - what you got on Math? I feel like they’re decently townie, but just kind of pushing left and right

[April Ludgate]

But our conclusion is that we're all town aligned and the setup is designed to have us turn on each other.

Why would you turn on each other if you’re all town aligned confirmed to each other?

[April Ludgate]

A50 check the hood.

Pedit: The hood started with me, Nero, mastina. We added A50.

This feels like asking A50 to go along with a gambit and reasoning it to him.

This feels like scum who got caught with his hand in the cookie jar.

VOTE: April

When’d I ever take a cookie?

If anything, I gave you a cookie, and from your POV, I should be even more town because my role is now confirmed because you confirmed the motion.

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Why would you turn on each other if you’re all town aligned confirmed to each other?

this. something does not add up here.

Yeah, one of the groups is lying, probably Titus because her agenda is all reversed, but i don’t know if she’s lying town or lying scum.

[April Ludgate]

Titus turning onto me when she has definitive proof of my role seeing her, and me having no reason to claim there is off too. And her VCA was poor, which I don’t usually think of her as having poor VCA.

[April Ludgate]

what are the odds A50 is a cult leader?

I feel like Titus would be the cult leader in the situation. She confirmed she targeted.

[April Ludgate]

what are the odds A50 is a cult leader?

Is the game bastard?

No. There is no cult. April is just scum.

I mean, you’re wrong.

Straight up.

[April Ludgate]

I detected motion from Titus

Can we please stop outright claiming? I literally just said so above. Titus if scum is a master scum. You don’t need to give her any outs. We still hadn’t resolved the last one where someone claimed loyal/disloyal. I seriously told you how to do it.

You don’t understand April simply wifoms scum into losses so it doesnt really matter what any of us do

This ^

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what are the odds A50 is a cult leader?

Is the game bastard?

No. There is no cult. April is just scum.

I mean, you’re wrong.

Straight up.

Why shouldn't I think you and MM and Taylor are scum?

Because you don’t have real reasons, you’re just assuming from a weak Day 1 VCA.

If you truly are town, you wouldn’t have scum read overreaction from my result, which you confirmed, so you should absolutely know that my role exists, and in the very least, should bring to you the possibility and even likelihood of me being town, but it seems you got threatened, and went to attack.

You could be town, and I see that.

You are lacking that ability here if you are town.

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Cult probably not happening.

I can see neighborhood with a group action and then not actually confirmed.

[April Ludgate]

Lol, i think it’s hilarious that Mage, Taylor, and I are grouped up like that naturally.

I’d bring Plus into that.

I’m town reading those slots.

[April Ludgate]

Why don't we just eliminate ShellyC. Their slot is very likely scum.

Interesting you say that because Titus’ weak VCA pushed it like my vote being there was scummy

[April Ludgate]

Why don't we just eliminate ShellyC. Their slot is very likely scum.

Interesting you say that because Titus’ weak VCA pushed it like my vote being there was scummy

I was thinking about the Samantha scum indicative replace out and soft guilty by PlusJoyed. Also Ban Hydras died, the very slot Samantha was lamenting about being mod confirmed.

What did Plus claim? I must have missed it

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I think Shelly slot can be fine then. I’ll wait for them, but I did think that slot was scum.

[April Ludgate]

I know it was the loyal/disloyal thing, just didn’t hear next part

[April Ludgate]

I think Plus and I roles go well together, because I can somewhat confirm if their action was successful or not

[April Ludgate]

Yeah, so PlusJoyed and I can target same person and confirm if Plus targeted or not to catch scum. Probably draws night kills to us too.

[April Ludgate]

I’ll confirm it. I’ve met them. That checks out mindset wise coming from Math too

[April Ludgate]

A50 check the hood.

Pedit: The hood started with me, Nero, mastina. We added A50.

This feels like asking A50 to go along with a gambit and reasoning it to him.

You know I would NEVER do that, as either alignment. So, unless you think me & Titus are scum TOGETHER you need to be patient with this.

I specifically think that you’re town if Titus is scum.

And Titus has a poor scum read and pushing my slot after I have a confirmed accurate result.

So then it becomes your job to have her see the light is if she is town, to bridge the gap.

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Especially because Titus is failing to consider being on the Samantha wagon could actually be heavily town indicative based on Multiball possibility/actually might be scum still, meaning I would be getting scum pushed for a correct read.

That poor VCA by Titus is reasoning beyond to doubt her.

Town Blocking Plus, Morning Mage, Taylor, and A50 can join in, but the fancy snacks aren’t for you. You just get the regular snacks.

[April Ludgate]

does anyone else feel like an ascetic claim is really out of place here?

Nah, it goes well with Loyal/Disloyal and Motion orientated roles like MD/Tracker.

[April Ludgate]

If you're going to challenge my VCA as poor, challenge its reasoning. I have no problem being critiqued but calling it poor because you don't like the results is a classic scum move.

I disagree.

If anything, me denouncing it on the basis of the quality of the VCA rather than the VCA itself is more indicative of townMe.

You have failed to use the VCA in a throwing out net kind of way, and instead are grabbing fish, and just squeezing guts out to see the colors, which is how VCA gets wrecked by any scum capable of swimming through the holes in the net.

VCA is more of a big net, filtration system, and you’re using it like a harpoon gun.

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Be sure of when I say, it is most definitely not the results of said VCA, it’s the process and application of it, especially considering you left out and ignored multiple scenarios, such as the Samantha slot possibly being scum, such as multiball.

So I’m not arguing your results, I’m arguing the process and application thus the result is voided regardless.

I use VCA essentially every game, you don’t get definitive’s this early, you get hypotheticals, and you failed to amuse the idea of scum making any sort of action anywhere, which is highly unlikely, and is an action in and of itself to withhold action.

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I will do it when I have more time, don’t you worry.

Not only that, you immediately turned to an overreaction sense when I calmly just stated my result on you. This makes me feel you thought I was pushing it as some guilty and thus you were attempting to prepare to 1v1 me, and set yourself up in a scenario where you created a buffer defense around yourself in the form of your neighborhood, making it so people on the outside can’t get through, which separates the town.

I’m here trying to not allow ScumTitus to coast through the game and lead town to destruction. If you are town, I will figure it out, I know I am town, and I have a town read on the people you are pushing, and it seems like when you used the VCA you wanted our slots to be scum, so you analyzed it that way. I believe this happened as either alignment ^.

Your overreaction to my accurate and unprompted investigation seems unnecessary if you were town, but it’s not impossible.

@Bell - does this make sense to you? You’re my logic guy.

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Be sure of when I say, it is most definitely not the results of said VCA, it’s the process and application of it, especially considering you left out and ignored multiple scenarios, such as the Samantha slot possibly being scum, such as multiball.

So I’m not arguing your results, I’m arguing the process and application thus the result is voided regardless.

I use VCA essentially every game, you don’t get definitive’s this early, you get hypotheticals, and you failed to amuse the idea of scum making any sort of action anywhere, which is highly unlikely, and is an action in and of itself to withhold action.

I didn't ignore Samantha slot as scum. I found it highly improbable, just like multiball.

I have a hypothesis. I don't have lock scum based on this alone. My theory is that you and MM are scum, but my theory also says that not both of you are scum right now.

Pedit: Math, I can suppose caught scum was honest yes.

That was how you were feeling Day 1, so that highly indicates your VCA is biased and therefore inaccurate conclusions in the given state.

I understood exactly what MM was talking about Day 1, so I have no clue why you were so taken aback by such play, especially when Battle Mage is obvi an aggro townie, like just in general.

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Your VCA is flawed because if there’s even say a SK, I would say it’s a good chance that 3 anti town people were on Gamma yesterday considering the Ban Hydras kill.

You almost feel like a scum who set up a VCA in advance to push where you wanted to push.

And it’s not about simulating BM’s meta, I literally had the same thoughts as him. It’s a literal gamestate read.

[April Ludgate]

Like I said, you’re VCA with a Harpoon Gun, when a giant net would be much more profitable and efficient.

[April Ludgate]

Mathblade’s been townie too. They can join the town block

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Mathblade’s been townie too. They can join the town block

I hate town blocks in practice as re-evaluation is rare. I do consider you a top tier town read for what it’s worth.

Eh, I like town blocking because Re-Evaluation is a strength of mine.

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I’ll also figure out some people are scum specifically because I town read them or vice versa, so town block doesn’t mean I won’t turn on them eventually. That’s just my feelings within the current gamestate, so it’s like me noting that at this time, I felt confident in these guys as town.

And over time, I’ll use each marker like that to help with my overall conclusion.

[April Ludgate]

Here’s the thing, townMe isn’t going to live late anyways, because I can help confirm Plus’ actions giving us clears/guilties.

Scum have to deal with us.

Town Protectives should be on Plus.

And Titus probably realizes this and has to push me. I’ve become a giant threat to the scum team just based on my ability to obv town by play.

Could be wrong, Titus could be a puppet being used by scum, and the mastermind is elsewhere. If Titus is town, I believe you are being pocketed somewhere, but I’ll have to find out where.

Early guesses are Mastina, but i don’t wanna slide down that rabbit hole just yet

[April Ludgate]

Here’s the thing, townMe isn’t going to live late anyways, because I can help confirm Plus’ actions giving us clears/guilties.

Scum have to deal with us.

Town Protectives should be on Plus.

And Titus probably realizes this and has to push me. I’ve become a giant threat to the scum team just based on my ability to obv town by play.

Could be wrong, Titus could be a puppet being used by scum, and the mastermind is elsewhere. If Titus is town, I believe you are being pocketed somewhere, but I’ll have to find out where.

Early guesses are Mastina, but i don’t wanna slide down that rabbit hole just yet

This is a reason to let you live.

UNVOTE: April

You'll hang yourself soon enough.

mastina's town.

Exactly.

That is “a” reason. One of the many.

[April Ludgate]

Here’s the thing, townMe isn’t going to live late anyways, because I can help confirm Plus’ actions giving us clears/guilties.

Scum have to deal with us.

Town Protectives should be on Plus.

And Titus probably realizes this and has to push me. I’ve become a giant threat to the scum team just based on my ability to obv town by play.

Could be wrong, Titus could be a puppet being used by scum, and the mastermind is elsewhere. If Titus is town, I believe you are being pocketed somewhere, but I’ll have to find out where.

Early guesses are Mastina, but i don’t wanna slide down that rabbit hole just yet

Town protectives if any shouldn’t take directions directly from anyone except maybe Norwegian. Much as I do town read you it is a read.

There’s a lot of claims out there to be sorted but right now we have de facto yours as the only proven one.

We need to see shelly respond then we can see if another although gut says Plus is truthtelling.

It’s waaay too early to be planning forward when the game doesn’t know which way is up.

I disagree. This is how you catch scum off guard and link up with other townies.

Plus and I linked up, as town/town here, which I think they are town here, so that’s the world I think we’re living in, it makes 100% sense considering we are both claimed.

So @Plus - before Day ends, we should figure out who we target to pigeon hole scum a bit.

Protectives should be on Plus.

@Math - Here’s the thing, at the moment, this is the best use of what we know. What we don’t know doesn’t necessarily matter in regards to that because if new information comes out that is a better use, we update.

We should be updating and reanalyzing ourselves every time new info is brought into the game.

[April Ludgate]

Here’s the thing, townMe isn’t going to live late anyways, because I can help confirm Plus’ actions giving us clears/guilties.

Scum have to deal with us.

Town Protectives should be on Plus.

And Titus probably realizes this and has to push me. I’ve become a giant threat to the scum team just based on my ability to obv town by play.

Could be wrong, Titus could be a puppet being used by scum, and the mastermind is elsewhere. If Titus is town, I believe you are being pocketed somewhere, but I’ll have to find out where.

Early guesses are Mastina, but i don’t wanna slide down that rabbit hole just yet

Town protectives if any shouldn’t take directions directly from anyone except maybe Norwegian. Much as I do town read you it is a read.

There’s a lot of claims out there to be sorted but right now we have de facto yours as the only proven one.

We need to see shelly respond then we can see if another although gut says Plus is truthtelling.

It’s waaay too early to be planning forward when the game doesn’t know which way is up.

I disagree. This is how you catch scum off guard and link up with other townies.

Plus and I linked up, as town/town here, which I think they are town here, so that’s the world I think we’re living in, it makes 100% sense considering we are both claimed.

So @Plus - before Day ends, we should figure out who we target to pigeon hole scum a bit.

Protectives should be on Plus.

@Math - Here’s the thing, at the moment, this is the best use of what we know. What we don’t know doesn’t necessarily matter in regards to that because if new information comes out that is a better use, we update.

We should be updating and reanalyzing ourselves every time new info is brought into the game.

I can agree with the last part but it’s imho poor form to assign protectives before exe is decided

Only on a mechanical level, not a sociological level.

Look at this way, no matter what, now scum are going to think about it. It adds another layer that they have to worry about. Like what if the Protectives someone who would listen to April here?

There’s always different ways to look at how certain things are used.

I’m definitely a performer type.

Like, my playstyle is essentially an Evil Puppet Master Jester type, clown suit and all, I do one thing while really doing another, if that makes sense.

[April Ludgate]

what are the odds A50 is a cult leader?

0%

I trust Something’s analysis on this.

Only he is capable of truly locking that “what if” out because Rulesets.

[April Ludgate]

It’s not proven, but I claimed, then Titus confirmed she did something.

I feel there’s something weird going on over there because of it, but idk if it’s her being scum or her being weird