Secret Hitler! (round two!) [7/7] (liberals win!)

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/in

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Shiki /inned in the other thread

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/in again. this doubles the odds i get to be hitler, a dream i've had since childhood

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Hi I'm liberal

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Cool

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So are we doing 15 26 meta then or was that pick coincidental

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I'm not entirely keen on locking that in, like I will advocate something else if I have a fasc read in that set but I have no reason to nein this atm

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The basic principle behind 15 26 is it doesn't give fasc a lot of control over the outcome but I think in a format like this we can get reads as a table superior to the general mathematical advantages of the meta strategy

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I am very liberal :3

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I will say

I already find Tayl0r significantly less towny than I did at this point last game as a spectator and if that was a fasc policy I would have advocated skipping them

But let's see

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Taking this long to claim makes me uncomfortable ftr

Please claim asap

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It's not what you're doing it's what you're not doing but putting it into words would be difficult to do in any productive way

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No no I meant For The fuhRer

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Ich bin ein Nazi! Heil der fuhrer!

Guys I'm saying very liberal things in german dw

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Well he fought with the goblins

He battled a troll

He riddled with gollum

A magic ring he stole

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I got two fascist cards and sweet talked Datisi into playing a blue instead

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Btw actual meta is to go to 51 when 15 nd 26 blue because 1256 is assumed to be liberal heavy

But I don't mind if we play 37

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So are we going to go proper meta strategy or are we going to play this

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I'm assuming she's claiming 2f1l

Why wouldn't she force me to blue

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Umm

Just FTR you should absolutely have forced me to play a blue if you had the opportunity especially when I'm shading you before you play; who are they gonna believe if we conflict when I already said I thought you were scummy and you claim to have gotten two blues?

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If someone investigates taylor liberal how do you know they aren't both fascist?

Investigating into a conflict doesn't solve the conflict it expands the conflict

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I'm neining to 5-1

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5-1 it is

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So let's be clear on this

From tables pov all of 123567 have played blues

That means that at least 2 fascists have chosen to allow blue policies to play

If 4 is liberal which is very unlikely that means 3 fascists have played blue

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5 should play 1

There's a policy of not mixing governments

I can explain why if necessary

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Basically

When governments play blue it means they're more likely to be same alignment: either two fascists or two liberals

We want to keep the governments who played blue together playing together

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Why would that be your guess when I was in a perfect situation to conflict you and chose not to do so?

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Sneaky and manipulative enough to not take a clear correct play? But ok I will not play 62 then.

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I am jaing it because we need to see the result

You can't accuse me and accuse 51

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Sneaky and manipulative enough to not take a clear correct play? But ok I will not play 62 then.

youre the one who thinks that thats the best play, and also the one who thinks we share an alignment.

When did I say we share an alignment?

I have literally not liked you since the get go, so.

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I'm neining this

There's no reason to play 4 when 123567 have all played blue

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Alduskkel, you sound unenthused about this choice even going beyond it including shiki. Why? Do you think I'm fascist?

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Alduskkel, you sound unenthused about this choice even going beyond it including shiki. Why? Do you think I'm fascist?

idk, i just feel like picking u is a controversial choice that warrants explaining

What's controversial about it?

What is a non controversial choice to you?

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Do you think 1 and 5 (ds grumpy) are non controversial simply because no one has really talked about them?

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41 isn't 51? I'm really not grokking

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Do you think that just because we haven't talked much about 15 grumpycat dsjstr everyone is assuming they're lib? Are you assuming that? I'm certainly not. Especially when 4 picking me is suddenly controversial

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Ok so when the chancellor says this is a bad gov how do 4 people ja it

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I'm not jaing Dsjstr after he jas that instead of taking his own government

I want 62 or 63, playing in the people who rejected a government we should not have apped

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Ds why is it better to you to have the only person not involved in a blue policy be president instead of having you play exactly?

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Ok but

Why play an unknown

Who just happens to be the only person on the table with no evidence stating that they are more liberal than random

Instead of playing yourself whom you know to be liberal

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How is it not lib logic

When 6 people have been involved in blue policies

To not want to play the 7th person?

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Except you yourself would know that you got 3 fascist cards

That would be info for you

How do you know 4 didn't drop a blue?

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Let's nein to 62 pls

I cant app 5 when they have more reason than anyone else on table to rej 46 and they app it anyway

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Btw calling 26 fasc fasc with our interactions is pretty pog so at minimum one liberal is asking for 62

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Shiki if you're liberal you need to ask yourself

Why do fascists want you to play there and why do liberals want you to play there

I'll give you a hint: even if you're liberal apping you is more of a fascist move than a liberal move

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That makes it hard for us to solve you and I'm still holding you responsible for poorly considered jas that are on fasc

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Nominate TSwizzle

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Try to solve in a liberal manner

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This is invest yes

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But I don't intend on investing anyone :shrug:

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Alright so 3r not conflicting tswift

Does anyone in 123 claim to have had 2 blue cards

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No, it doesn't get saved for later

Doe

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Ok so we're at 4b deck so far so 90% dropper in 134 fmpov unless someone else claims 2b

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Does table believe that 2 is liberal if I invest them liberal

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Okay so

There is a 10% chance that there are only 4 blue cards in the first 15 cards played which is the number of cards we saw

Therefore there is a 90% chance that 134 are lying about their cards fmpov

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Hold the fuck on

You said you accepted a lib inv on TS

Are you taking that back?

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Go ahead and investigate 2

Sigh TS and RC walking all over us this game

They are literally a fascist group and they literally announced that there was a group that was all fasisct and I wouldn't be surprised if 4 ends up being hitler

He pushes me to investigate someone and then preemptively starts shading an investigate that I haven't made ???

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Okay so

There is a 10% chance that there are only 4 blue cards in the first 15 cards played which is the number of cards we saw

Therefore there is a 90% chance that 134 are lying about their cards fmpov

does this apply if taylor claimed 2b?

If taylor didn't claim 2b it would be mod confirmed that there was a liar. With the 2b claim it's 90% confirmed.

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Hold the fuck on

You said you accepted a lib inv on TS

Are you taking that back?

What?

The reason I as lib ask if table accepts a lib inv on 2 is because I want my investigate if liberal to be 100% confirmed liberal. You agreed to that and started calling us fasc together

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I'm going to do this instead then

investigate: Dsjstr

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You could have prevented that

By making me inv someone else

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Dsjstr is a fascist, okay. Rest of the game seems really obvious to me.

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No that's the thing

He wanted me to invest 2 because he wanted to push us as fasc fasc

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Like the reason I don't investigate whoever I want

Is it's no good to invest someone that the table won't agree is liberal if I find them liberal. That's why I ask.

He agreed to that then turned around and called us fasc fasc to essentially try to nullify two liberals at once

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I'm fine being left out of gov.

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Btw

Pres is way more important than chanc jsyk

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There are 3 people you don't want being pres and only one person you don't want being chanc.

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Ok

Claim

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Ok

Usually we do votes for SE

I want SE on taylor

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The deck reset: previous picks have little bearing on this pick

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From my point of view 2 is likely liberal and I as a matter of course don't try to play around hitler nominations; I want TSwizzle SE and then she can pick who she wants

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7 can we talk

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Sorry for calling people by their seats

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If you go back to the last marathon you can see how I played a fasc fasc government; I would have speed investigated 2 liberal if we were 2 fascists. No reason to accuse 5 at the same time if my goal is to make 2 the SE. We also didn't exactly see eye to eye a lot earlier this game so I think it's easy to figure out we aren't 2 fascists together so at the very least one of us has to be liberal asking for the other so can you pick 2

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Him

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That's 3 votes for tswift
Can we get 4

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Ari/Alduskkel

Can one of you agree that tswiz is lib

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Ok we had 5 votes

Golden rule states that if TSwizzle states they are jaing than even if it's hitler the gov is going to pass; therefore all liberals must ja her choice

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To explain that logic

3 fasc all ja if hitler is chanc

If Tswizzle jas that means vote passes

So there's no reason to nein her pick even if you don't like it

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nom grumpy cat

You didn't bold this btw

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Wait I just now realized that I'm bilbo baggins

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I'm shying away from giving direct advice because I think it'll just make you more paranoid. If you're interested in any let me know.

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I won't say anything about long term strategy except it's none of the above lol

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I believe I would nom 1 over 4 but I'm like not confident there because 145 could be line

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i kinda think i wanna nom dsj, because im confident dsj is non-hitler and i can prolly force blue

Not it

Not it

Not it

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Pls do not do that

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That is like the last thing you should consider doing


Why pick confirmed fascist

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Remember what I said earlier

Even if your not keen on my pick this passes if I'm hitler regardless.

You can only prevent it passing if I'm liberal

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Max grumpers

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Okay

So there's only two actual reasonable options here

They are TD TD 26 and TD 62 2x

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Btw ds stating ja then neining is only ever a fasc play you get that right, to try to make people insecure over their jas

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No I got 2 red cards but I bribed Datisi to give me a blue

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26 is basically confirmed lib lib at this point

We want to touch as few other people as possible

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There is no reason to play a pres before me

If you're insecure about me, you should ask for TD TD 26

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We are confirmed not fasc fasc to everyone else

From your point of view: what is my business as regular fasc doing what I have done so far

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There is really no reason anyone outside of 345 wants to play themselves, top decking is by far the safest place here

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Ohhhhhh shir

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I forgot it was SE uhh one sec let me figure it out again

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Yeah it's 2x td 62

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The other choice fypov 2 is to accept td td 62 to avoid a loss to 37 hitler

It's up to you what you think is highest equity because everyone has to accept you as lib now

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So it's actually

2x TD 62 or TD TD 62

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1 is getting neined sorry friend

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7 would have had to be the liar but it's still up to you

My call is TD TD 62 and if you pick hitler I get to blame you for not listening to me if I don't give advice in 137

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we cant TD to 62, we are starting from 1 now cuz SE

We can actually, doesn't mean you want to

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Essentially you have to ask yourself which is higher? The odds of you picking exactly hitler or of me being exactly reg F

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I am as stated not so confident on the identity of fasc in 137 but it's out of my hands

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I am term locked

Only way to stay in 26 is to TD TD 62

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I'm watching Shrek

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Oo I have a good joke

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[/quote]I like 7 more than 1 or 3 anyway[quote]

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Oops

That's what I sent to Datisi

Gg

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Wait

Ari never admitted he actually got RBB >=[

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I had no idea who fasc was in 13 because Ari wasn't active enough

The rest of the game I solved a long time before

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Top deck

Skip 3 governments

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Sorry for the early fasc lean on you swizzle

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Townbloc was strong

I actually liked 7 a lot more than 1 or 3 so I'm glad that they were lib

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I'm sad that you showed up after my time and only knew about my scum rep and not my town rep. That kinda hurts ngl

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You could go into the game with an open mind :v

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Oo I have a good joke

what was the joke!

Knock knock

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well i did but then you started pushing on me, and after i townled in the last game somewhat the push seemed a bit opportunistic and vague.

I mean you town led right away in the last game and opened in a lot more laid back a fashion this game, it's not the strongest basis for a read but it's a basis for a read.

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...but nobody came.

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Sigh

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