Star Wars (Spoilers)

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kylo was great yeah
hamil was great when he was allowed to act

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Think maybe people feel like the humour doesn't really work for the movie though?
Reck's point is moreso that the humour is showing up in places that messes with how you're supposed to feel during scenes. I think cumulatively that is kind of a big problem with the movie and Aero might be right that it's there specifically because of a portion of the target audience being younger.

from the other thread: basically this

yes, there was humor in the OT, but it was limited and peppered in to provide some lightheartedness. it wasn't every single character.

and in the OT we still had plenty of time for huge moments to live and breathe on their own. Obi-Wan's sacrifice, Luke's trench run, Hoth assault and rebellion defeat, Vader's big reveal, Lando's betrayal, carbonite, the final duel between Vader/Luke/Palpatine

so far the only moments from the ST i can say landed were....Rey ripping the lightsaber from Kylo in TFA, hyperspace kamikaze, Kylo/Rey teaming up....that's it

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I feel like some of that was because Carrie Fisher fucking died and not because of the strength of the narrative

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im really not. they were so constant it was near impossible for me to get into the dramatic parts of the movie.

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holy shit first 3 minutes of RLM's review makes me feel vindicated

https://youtu.be/L9hwGZFPSmw

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What's pissing a lot of people of is I think they're mad they don't get the escapism effects like all the other movies and we're stuck with a realist point of view.

this seems uhhhh wrong

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droids are able to hack into an entire war starship and learn all of it's plans and pilot other aerial vehicles so I mean, totally understandable.

Also yeah btw, hate that Rose bitch

Rose-arc literally looks like a fan girl won a raffle ticket to write the scene

like think tumblr, and then what Rose did, and it's a perfect match

maybe we don't reflexively refer to female characters as bitches huh

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can you tell me why she's a "bitch"

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itt people dont understand why it's problematic to ascribe the descriptor "bitch" to a female character

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you're fucking joking with me right

what memo did you get where apparently you can't call anyone a bitch?

itt people dont understand why it's problematic to ascribe the descriptor "bitch" to a female character

i believe in u using ur thoughts to solve this mystery puzzle

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i'm about the least uptight person you're gonna meet my dude

maybe just think about the derogatory terms you use before you use them

caring doesn't make you up tight, it makes you not a piece of shit

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seriously fuck off if you're not gonna talk about star wars

i think ill do what i want u lil misogynist u

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Stop instigating reck or you will get a penalty and it will cost you 2 minutes in the pentalty box.


Back to Star Wars:
Does anyone wish they had changed it so Rey actually joined Kylo to dark side and good guys were just without force users?

What I hoped they were doing was making it so Rey/Kylo just say "fuck this First Order vs Resistance shit" and start something new. I didn't necessarily want Rey to go bad -- I think that wouldn't be in character. But the idea of both of them agreeing to work together, sure that one can change the other...is really interesting.

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there isn't exactly a good analogue from the new trio to the old trio which is a point in its favor

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Opinion:

Star Wars: The Last Jedi was the best movie of 2017.

this is very wrong

like i dont know how someone is this wrong

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i dont get it. the more i think about it the angrier I get about it.

I want to love this movie

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Tier One

1. The Empire Strikes Back

Tier Two

2. A New Hope
3. The Force Awakens

Tier Three

4. Return of the Jedi
5. Revenge of the Sith

Tier Four

6. The Last Jadi
7. Phantom Menace

Tier Five

X. Rogue One
8. Attack of the Clones

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idk i hated rogue one basically because it felt like a 2D video game sidequest to recruit party members the whole time and then none of them grow or change
also that video zor posted

i rewatched the prequel trilogy in anticipation of The Last Jedi
honestly the most shocking thing was... despite it being silly and having too much Jar Jar, at least The Phantom Menace felt like it tried something different and did a good job of world building
and it's basically a well paced movie with big setpieces in each section to keep the action moving

attack of the clones was just joyless and i'd say the bland, dull, uncharismatic "romance" between anakin/padme is worse than anything kiddie or childlike that TPM serves up

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I dunno, I didn't think the Gungans were particularly bad or over the top compared to any other dumb species we've seen in Star Wars. Tuskens were cool, I guess? But Jawas were dumb, Ewoks were dumb. Wookies are just giant teddy bears that speak only in growls which doesn't seem so off from "underwater frog people with an advanced society". Most of the cool Star Wars stuff with species comes from the EU anyway.

I don't mind the pod race, it's at least entertaining, even if there's no mystery as to what will happen. I think that's part of the reason the prequel movies suffer, there's never any real stakes because we know how everything's going to turn out.

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I thought it had some interesting and entertaining moments. The sound design was iconic, too, which helps me enjoy that scene quite a bit. I thought it was shot well, also.

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yeah idk i can get my OMFG NOSTALGIA NERDGASM from a ton of fan fiction. that whole vader ending was cool but felt like fan fic rather than an actual film

p.edit: i see you missed like...the entire point of zor's post

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If the darth Vader scene gave you no joy then i am so sorry for you

As the video I posted pointed out:

1. Why does Darth Vader, a guy who is basically not in the movie otherwise, get to end Jen Orso's movie?
2. It's filmed in this weird way that makes it seem like Vader is awesome and we're supposed to cheer him on. We just had a movie where supposedly we're supposed to care about the people who did all this stuff to help the rebellion. But the movie ends (other than Leia's "hope" thing) with Vader being badass. Like now we're supposed to cheer on this horrible embodiment of everything that the crew was giving their lives to defeat? It's so weird and inappropriate.
3. He slaughters some defenseless goons. Oh boy. That's so cool.

In reality, it's an admission from the movie that it wasn't strong enough to actually stand up on its own and some sort of fan service to get people back on board and tie the movie better into the overall series was needed even if that inclusion is ridiculous.

The first point was not "Who even is Darth Vader!?!?!?!"

the first point was "This is supposed to be a self-contained narrative centering around Jyn Erso and yet the showstopping climax and finale is all centered around Vader, rendering Jyn's story obsolete"

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how about just not have him in the story??

i dunno. every scene with vader felt forced and tacked on with all the dad jokes. all, what, so we can get a scene near the end where we're supposed to be liek WOOO YEAH VADER after a grueling 2 hours of watching the rebels die one by one?

it just felt so tone deaf and felt more like a filmmaker saying "NOW LET'S PUT FUDGE BROWNIES ON TOP OF THE ICE CREAM AND DRIZZLE IT WITH CARAMEL...AND THEN LET'S ADD IN SOME FRUIT LOOPS ON TOP! AND SOME CHOCOLATE CAKE!" without realizing that it's too much

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also this

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If the darth Vader scene gave you no joy then i am so sorry for you

we were responding to that scene because this was said

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Movie was balls

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how many edibles did you eat this time

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Pretty explainable though.

VII was made slightly worse for me by VIII not delivering on some of the promise setup.
Rewatching the prequel trilogy made me flip my opinions on I & II

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I think a lot of people have a problem with Luke because of the EU. As someone who never fucked with much of the EU, and didn't care that much when Disney made it Legends, I really loved Luke in this. Old, crotchety, and bitter. How he should be, IMO. I didn't have a problem with that. I did, however, have a problem with the final battle and Luke not showing up. It just felt kinda pointless? Felt like smoke and mirrors for the sake of smoke and mirrors just to have him die anyway. I guess they did it so there wouldn't be two movies back to back where "big bad Kylo kills OT character" but it felt pointless. Especially since, with a little tweak, Leia could've died instead and Luke could've lived on and his storyline would've made perfect sense. Had Luke not died at the end, his choice to force project himself to buy the Resistance time would've been great. Then we setup Luke as the OT member who has to help Rey stop Kylo in IX.

I definitely don't care about episode 9 as much as I should. Like, what're the stakes? Thinking back on, TFA set up all this promising foundation, which TLJ should've built upon and had us waiting to see how things conclude. But there's nothing driving the narrative forward. TLJ could've been cut by an hour and a half and stuffed with the introductory scenes in TFA and been a completely continuous movie that sets up a good franchise. Instead we have one movie left to wrap things up and I feel like nothing was added to the stakes or plots in TLJ. They're at the exact same place where they started.Why don't I feel like Hux is competent? He's a joke. What is Finn's grand arc? Because I'm pretty sure he "learned not to run" in TFA when he stood up to Kylo in the forest. Maz is there as a plot device and nothing else. Chewie is there for furniture and nostalgia. Poe's arc seems to be "hotheaded flyboy who doesn't learn anything".

Compare it to the end of ESB. The stakes had changed. After the up note of the first film, we saw Han get frozen in carbonite after getting betrayed. Leia was taken captive. Luke lost a hand and found out his enemy was his father. The Empire held the upper hand, and we wanted to know how they would get out of it this time.

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no. no it wasn't

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Space Opera focuses on single people being huge influences on the galaxy at large, even if it's not "realistic". It's just the way it is.

space opera can still have worldbuilding

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the OT and PT both had excellent worldbuilding

so it's not out of left field for it to exist in star wars

in fact, id wager the tertiary worldbuilding is one of star wars strengths

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it makes everyone else feel useless. which was never the case previously.

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that was a bit...repetitive and rambly. but the points are well taken

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It's 30 years. They say this in TFA.

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Rei

who that

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reasons i hated tlj were:

- mary poppins leia
- overuse of humor
- undercutting emotional moments with humor
- lack of momentum heading into the final movie
- the entirety of the casino planet story was pointless and added filler to a movie that didn't need it
- lack of progression for any character outside of rey/kylo
- introduction of laura dern's character to occupy screentime for no good reason
- why is captain phasma a character in this franchise

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i could entertain the argument it's better than any of the prequel trilogy (though I think ROTS is underrated mostly)

i could entertain the argument that it's better than ROTJ (though i would fight that hard)

but better than ANH? and ESB? no way

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The ewoks are a vietnam analogy where the scrappy underdogs overwhelm a superior force through wits and knowledge of the terrain. This happened in real life so I'm not sure it is duex ex machina.

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yeah that's incredible

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really

was it

poe is a hotheaded cocky flyboy
who gets chastized for being hotheaded and cocky
and then keeps being hotheaded and cocky

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Plus Kylo Ren can lie about it *gasp*!

If you think JJ Abrams or Rian Johnson have any originality to them, or the capability to take a risk, you'd be dead wrong.

you seem fun

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i think it's softer than that

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ive seen a bunch of trailers but tbh now that im thinking about it, that was mostly while watching other movies...

all the reshoots
and the fact that christopher miller/phil lord were fired for trying to make the film lighthearted
and the rumored on-set acting problems of Alden Ehrenreich

this is gonna be so bad yall

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i loved ANH, ESB, and TFA

i like TFA SPECIFICALLY in the context of the prequel trilogy

i dont like TLJ because it's shit at character development and plugs in too much Marvel-style humor and none of the moments lands
i dont like TLJ because it feels like nothing happens and we're at the same place we would be if the movie had never happened (or made obvious conclusions based on TFA)

btw the vast majority of the fandom hated TFA because it was a "retread". the same people that hated it for being a retread tend to be the people that like TLJ for being new & original

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Black Panther was fantastic, I dunno. Loved how small and personal the story felt as opposed to OMG BIG LASER IN THE SKY that we get all the time. Loved the performances. Loved the setting. It was just a breath of fresh air.

I loved Ragnarok when I saw it. I still have a positive opinion on it but i'm not quite as hyped on it as I was when I saw it.

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i basically have no high expectations for summer blockbusters and i was still let down by TLJ because it's bad storytelling

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i want a trilogy that stands as a trilogy, not a trilogy to setup yet another trilogy. fuck that

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how about finish their story so we don't need another trilogy in the skywalker saga

have spinoff trilogies, sure.
let rian johnson knock himself out.

i just don't see the need to keep hammering away at the skywalker saga. luke's dead. anakin's dead. leia is alive in fiction but is actually dead unless they recast her. nobody else left is a skywalker. there is zero need for an epX-XII

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i guess? it'd be weird to have a villainous skywalker leading the franchise.

and i just won't buy a kylo face turn at this point

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disagree

luke/vader is what drives star wars

with luke/vader gone you're free to create anything

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the old republic is the best place to mine content at this point