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Post Post #500 (ISO) » Mon Sep 17, 2018 11:30 am

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Gordon is a huge upgrade at WR1 and yes NE has a Garbo d
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Post Post #501 (ISO) » Mon Sep 17, 2018 3:52 pm

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I don't think a guy thats prob gonna get suspended is an upgrade. Can't catch balls if you can't play. :/
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Post Post #502 (ISO) » Mon Sep 17, 2018 4:00 pm

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Cool, so the Pats traded a 5th rd pick for a 7th rd pick? Dope. And used money they could of used on Dez? Dope.

I honestly don't get this Josh Gordon thing. What evidence is there that he can play beside 10 good games 5 years ago?
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Post Post #503 (ISO) » Mon Sep 17, 2018 7:25 pm

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why did they trade him?
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Post Post #504 (ISO) » Mon Sep 17, 2018 9:45 pm

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"On Saturday, Gordon reportedly showed up to the Browns’ training facility “a little tardy” and “not himself,” complaining of a pulled hamstring; according to Cleveland.com’s Mary Kay Cabot, the Browns felt they couldn’t rely on his sobriety." - TheRinger.com
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Post Post #505 (ISO) » Tue Sep 18, 2018 7:41 am

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In post 502, PJ. wrote:Cool, so the Pats traded a 5th rd pick for a 7th rd pick? Dope. And used money they could of used on Dez? Dope.

I honestly don't get this Josh Gordon thing. What evidence is there that he can play beside 10 good games 5 years ago?
I mean, Josh Gordon's stats were better on a per game basis than Dez Bryant last season, despite having worse QBs, an 0-16 team and only playing 5 games.
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Post Post #506 (ISO) » Tue Sep 18, 2018 12:29 pm

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In post 485, shaft.ed wrote:
In post 483, T-Bone wrote:Yeah but Bortles is a poor-man's Nick Foles.
is Bortles really as streaky as Foles?
Foles only seems to have two settings, shite and GOAT
To be fair, I think his ceiling is like, poor man's Alex Smith...and Smith is pretty good.
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Post Post #507 (ISO) » Tue Sep 18, 2018 1:57 pm

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In post 505, Bella wrote:
In post 502, PJ. wrote:Cool, so the Pats traded a 5th rd pick for a 7th rd pick? Dope. And used money they could of used on Dez? Dope.

I honestly don't get this Josh Gordon thing. What evidence is there that he can play beside 10 good games 5 years ago?
I mean, Josh Gordon's stats were better on a per game basis than Dez Bryant last season, despite having worse QBs, an 0-16 team and only playing 5 games.
But Dez will at least be on the field...complaining..trying to get PI calls. It's not a complete negative.
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Post Post #508 (ISO) » Tue Sep 18, 2018 2:01 pm

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In post 506, T-Bone wrote:
In post 485, shaft.ed wrote:
In post 483, T-Bone wrote:Yeah but Bortles is a poor-man's Nick Foles.
is Bortles really as streaky as Foles?
Foles only seems to have two settings, shite and GOAT
To be fair, I think his ceiling is like, poor man's Alex Smith...and Smith is pretty good.
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Post Post #509 (ISO) » Tue Sep 18, 2018 2:42 pm

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Alex Smith is a compliment, you shut your mouth.
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Post Post #510 (ISO) » Tue Sep 18, 2018 10:23 pm

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Yay there are two sides to mediocre. The good side and the bad side. There are two QBs that come to mind in terms of descent QB vs replaceable QB. I am referring to Alex Smith and Andy Dalton. Though both have gotten better in recent years, I think I'd still rather be compared to Alex Smith than Andy Dalton.
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Post Post #511 (ISO) » Tue Sep 18, 2018 10:39 pm

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If there is a line between descent QB vs replaceable QB, I would put Smith at descent though he would likely be a bit above that now. I would put OLD Dalton at replaceable. And I would put Case Keenum directly at the border between them.
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Post Post #512 (ISO) » Tue Sep 18, 2018 11:02 pm

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The worst acceptable starter has been dubbed "The Dalton Line" for a while now I think. Where like, if they're worse than Dalton they are not a long-term option, if they are better than him than they are.

And if you take this year's dvoa ranking and last year's ranking and average them out..he's basically still the line.
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Post Post #513 (ISO) » Wed Sep 19, 2018 2:21 am

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In post 509, T-Bone wrote:Alex Smith is a compliment, you shut your mouth.
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Post Post #514 (ISO) » Wed Sep 19, 2018 2:26 am

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Honestly for me the biggest thing in a QB is consistency. Yeah, it's cool when a guy like Foles balls out and destroys a team, but it's hard to gameplan around "sometimes is literal garbage."

What makes Brady and Rodgers so great is that "good" is their floor (Brady's numbers in the loss to the Jags were still pretty good), but they can ball out and win games. Guys like Wilson and Stafford can ball out just as well, but holy shit their floors are dumpster fires. I prefer Bortles to those guys because he (at least in the past season) has shown that he'll never cost his team the game, which is basically cost of admission for being a QB for me (also why I'm high on Goff and especially Smith, in the grand scheme of things)
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Post Post #515 (ISO) » Wed Sep 19, 2018 2:30 am

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Panzerjager wrote:The worst acceptable starter has been dubbed "The Dalton Line" for a while now I think. Where like, if they're worse than Dalton they are not a long-term option, if they are better than him than they are.

And if you take this year's dvoa ranking and last year's ranking and average them out..he's basically still the line.
Yes I was referring to that, though as I am biased against bengals, I like to think he is below the line and Case Keenum is the line at the moment. After all I am sure Denver will replace Case once Denver finds a a good young alternative. Until then, I don't see Case being a problem for them since he seems able to keep the ship floating there
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Post Post #516 (ISO) » Wed Sep 19, 2018 2:33 am

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Keenum is above the line IMO
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Post Post #517 (ISO) » Wed Sep 19, 2018 2:34 am

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If your goal is "win a super bowl" keenum is good enough and also cheap enough that you can win with other pieces
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Post Post #518 (ISO) » Wed Sep 19, 2018 3:13 am

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In post 514, BROseidon wrote:Guys like Wilson... can ball out just as well, but holy shit their floors are dumpster fires.
Wilson's "floor" isn't the problem.

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The problem is we have a historically bad O-Line and up until last year it was coached by atrocious O-line coach Tom Cable(who's now with the Raiders thank god). 5 CUT BLOCKS!!! But yeah, Wilson is fucking amazing.
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Post Post #519 (ISO) » Wed Sep 19, 2018 3:21 am

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that Wilson hasn't died yet is a testament to his skill as an athlete and QB
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Post Post #520 (ISO) » Wed Sep 19, 2018 4:04 am

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BROseidon wrote:If your goal is "win a super bowl" keenum is good enough and also cheap enough that you can win with other pieces
Winning the superbowl and keeping the ship floating are two different things. Case kept the ship floating in Minnesota last year. He had good weapons (other pieces), but he did not win the superbowl or even get there. He did make a conference championship game. Smith also made an NFC championship. His SF came closer to beating NYG than MIN did to PHI. You know who has never gotten to a conference championship or even won a playoff game? Andy Dalton
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Post Post #521 (ISO) » Wed Sep 19, 2018 5:21 am

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oh yay, Iggles brought back Jordan Mathews
slot receiver is obv the missing piece on that offense
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Post Post #522 (ISO) » Wed Sep 19, 2018 7:52 am

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I remember the days when Alex Smith was labeled a bust
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Post Post #523 (ISO) » Wed Sep 19, 2018 2:09 pm

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a little late but wilson is in fact a fantastic quarterback
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Post Post #524 (ISO) » Thu Sep 20, 2018 2:55 pm

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