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Post Post #11 (isolation #0) » Mon Nov 11, 2019 2:22 pm

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I've submitted something that might be Satanic doom metal.
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Post Post #13 (isolation #1) » Mon Nov 11, 2019 4:24 pm

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In post 7, vizIIsto wrote:Now, as promised, I'm going to share either a normal song or a video game song with you and send in the other. This time, I've decided to share with you the latter, and it's this song:

Luigi's Mansion Main Theme

[...]


Leaving opinions would be very much appreciated :]
Honestly, not submitting this was probably the right move. Given prior experience with the game, I can vouch that the arrangement isn't bad, but it's still
very
strange for a song contest. 3.1/9

If you wanted to stay in the same general genre of aughts-era sp00kiness, I would level it up to this, one of many showstoppers on this game's all-star soundtrack (and one which has already won a song contest with a different arrangement). (It's
Tetris: Type A ~ Super Smash Bros. Brawl OST
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Post Post #25 (isolation #2) » Mon Nov 18, 2019 5:08 am

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In post 24, Formerfish wrote:
In post 22, vizIIsto wrote:The deadlines are one week long instead of two weeks which I am still perfectly fine with, but it still is a very long wait when nothing interesting happens in my life.

I hate waiting. :yawn:
I feel like the deadline is good for voting, but I think a shorter submission period would be ok.

I feel like most of us who participate would be able to handle the shorter time frame because we know we are going to join and usually have an idea of what we are submitting.
I agree. I feel like my ideal would be something like
*Sunday evening: submissions open
*Saturday evening: submissions close and are posted
*Next Sunday evening (8 days later): contest over, results posted

It gives one weekend day for entries and three for listening to them all, which seems like the right balance.
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Post Post #43 (isolation #3) » Tue Nov 19, 2019 12:53 am

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In post 36, RadiantCowbells wrote:I for one am livid about the fact that the song contest hasn't started yet and I think that it is incredibly irresponsible and immature of whoever is in charge of this proceeding to have delayed the start of the aforementioned proceeding.
raybells confirmed for Song Contest 140
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Post Post #47 (isolation #4) » Tue Nov 19, 2019 6:48 am

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In post 45, Song Contest wrote:
In the interest of not letting country names devolve into states, provinces, municipalities and the like, I am going to start changing all country submissions that are sub-national to the country they are a part of. Ex: If you submit French Guiana, I will change it to France.
Huh. TIL French Guiana is not actually a country.

I kinda want to submit as Saint Martin now to see what would happen.
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Post Post #51 (isolation #5) » Tue Nov 19, 2019 7:27 am

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Spoiler: in re: my submission
Sorry, everyone. After everyone posted hype about the potential for me submitting Ghost, I was considering a submission of one of the non-singles from the back half of
Infestissunam
, but executive dysfunction + concern I wouldn't be able to find it on its own on YT took over.

It looks like someone else got my back on it though, and anyway what I submitted instead is one I'm looking forward to seeing thoughts on.
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Post Post #64 (isolation #6) » Tue Nov 19, 2019 4:11 pm

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I've finished my first pass. To all of you who submitted songs that are fewer than three minutes long, a hearty salute for helping me get through 20 entries.
I'm going to be out of town for several days after tonight, though, so it'll be interesting to see how much I have to revise the list on a second listen.

Spoiler: Initial thoughts
Three songs in top tier and three songs in mid tier, with the orders within the tiers negotiable. Yes I know there are more entries this time but six songs I'm willing to give points to makes for a pretty good contest.

There is one entry - other than my own - that I cannot rate. It's an outside-context entry. I'm sorry.

In post 52, Cyril wrote:Vi which one is you
Spoiler: I mean I won't answer this directly but
if it isn't obvious when you click on it, you haven't been paying attention


Spoiler: but w.r.t. who I'm -not-
After tooling around the
Infestissumam
album I decided I would have submitted Depth of Satan's Eyes. Hell yes this is what I'm talking about.
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Post Post #72 (isolation #7) » Wed Nov 20, 2019 1:05 am

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In post 67, Cyril wrote:vi, i skimmed through the other 10 entries and none of them sound like satanic doom metal to me. am i being conned
Not quite.
Vi wrote:
Spoiler: but w.r.t. who I'm -not-
After tooling around the
Infestissumam
album I decided I would have submitted Depth of Satan's Eyes. Hell yes this is what I'm talking about.
I'm curious about what you and Ff have to say about this.
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Post Post #79 (isolation #8) » Sat Nov 23, 2019 4:42 am

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okay maybe kind of a revealing question but what do people mean by "overproduced"
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Post Post #89 (isolation #9) » Sat Nov 23, 2019 11:48 am

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In post 79, Vi wrote:okay maybe kind of a revealing question but what do people mean by "overproduced"
please help I'm uneducated
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Post Post #104 (isolation #10) » Tue Nov 26, 2019 1:27 pm

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Narrowly in before the stated deadline. I'm trying out a new rating system!

Spoiler: So here's what happened in my retelling
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===TIER 4: Hey now, these are pretty good

(12) USA -- Sycamour {Calm Down Juliet (What A Drama Queen)}
-- The loudness wars have been decided, and loud won :V I actually like this a fair amount; there's a lot going on and it sounds good for pretty much all of it. Your quest to find to find the "one for everyone" is a success in my book! Probably the only entry in any contest where I unironically liked people tearing their vocal cords out. That said, it doesn't really matter what your song is about, but pitching "fucking" into it breaks the immersion for me. I acknowledge this is probably just my own hangup. Look, take your frigging 12. 4.95/6

(10) Chad -- Ghost {Cirice}
-- This is a serviceable Meliora-era Ghost song - all the doom you could want, but if you're not in it to feel the tone, it just kind of occurs. I have a lot of respect for Ghost because they understand how to make a song flow, so their songs rarely feel like they overstay their welcome. However, I feel like this song never really progresses when the lyrics do; I don't know if that was the point (i.e. sticking to a single vision of how the song should sound) or just a lack of imagination. This video is silly and self-aware and I appreciate its cheek.

My original thought for submitting Ghost was Zenith, but I elected not to because I thought people would think it as dull. Listening to it now, I forgot how much it grooves and I really feel like I dropped the ball on not following through with giving Tha People what they want. Sorry - I felt some previously un-experienced level of awful during the whole week of submissions for RL reasons :(

Anyway, this is one of the rare times when I've actually heard of the artist and song ahead of time, so I admit I may be biased. 4.8/6

(8) Belarus -- Melodicka Bros {Through the Water and the Waves}
-- I mean, I'm in on the joke and in concept this is a great idea. The rendition of the opening guitar solo is really good, and the rest of the song is quite pleasant. The problem is that it never progresses due to its minimalist nature, so it does start to wear by the time it hits the five-minute mark. In other words, this is another song that I'm not rating as highly as I could not because it's bad, but because I want it to be moaaaaaaar. I think that the original song has the material for a really spectacular cross-genre cover that could surpass this. Glasses boi slightly bothers me because I can totally see myself (physically) doing what he's doing, and I feel like I've wasted my life. :( 4.7/6


===TIER 3: I was wrong; no large mid-tier this time

(7) The Netherlands -- Daisuke Ishiwatari {Smell of the Game!}
-- Oh wait, I recognize this name from somewhere? The effect of the vocalist not letting English proficiency get in the way of TRUE SOUL ENERGY is honestly more comical than it likely wants to be (assuming they care about non-Japanese audiences :V ). That bridge is very strange, the musicality throughout kind of goes some very questionable places, and even after reading the lyrics I have no idea what this song is supposed to be about. Well, that's what happens when you make a mono-red song. I wanted to like this song more than I actually did. 3.7/6

(6) Finland -- Poets of the Fall {Carnival of Rust}
-- This sure is a strange concept for a song. Tempted to rate lower because it seems like it glorifies la vida incel, but I don't really have to because it isn't really remarkable in any respect... but I'll rate pretty much anything smooth and listenable better than average. 3.4/6


===TIER 2: All right, here comes the middle of the pack

(5) Poland -- Saint Phnx {Bury a Friend}
-- I was hoping for variety in pitches, but ah well. This is reasonably listenable but also nondescript af. Maybe not having a knowledge of the original song hurts? 3/6

(4) Costa Rica -- Metronomy {The Bay}
-- This is another song that I want to like, but it feels like it's carefully designed to keep the listener from doing so. Like, this is a large number of bad artistic decisions away from being catchy af. Because of that promise, this is my favorite entry I don't really like, and I want to rate it higher than the stuff below it, so here it is. 2.8/6

(3) Solomon Islands -- Radio Birdman {New Race}
-- I feel like I've heard this before? And yet I haven't. Maybe it's a Cars song with slightly different sound quality? This is the archetype for "mediocre but listenable" - nothing I want to listen to intently, mostly inoffensive background music but I'd rather listen to nothing at all than this - and while I don't want to give it points I'm kind of have to. This really didn't need to go on for as long as it did. 2.75/6

(2) North Korea -- The Buoys {Timothy}
-- <inhales> BUOOOOOOOOOY
The song's okay. Generic '60s rock (technically 1970, close enough), back when rock rolled. Kinda catchy to have in the background if you ignore the high strings in the chorus but I've never liked name songs. I'm assuming the band never found success later because the vocalist has a certain whininess to his voice. 2.7/6

(1) Kosovo -- Capsule {Hello}
-- I liked it a lot more on my first listen than my second, partly because of the sweet new-gen Kirby vibes. The second time I mostly found it jarring. I had difficulty deciding where to put this tbh. 2.5/6

Principality of Hutt River -- Racoon {Love You More + Laugh About It}
-- That lonely 'c' bothered me for 8 minutes and 31 seconds. 2.3/6

Turkey -- The Misfits {Skulls}
-- Remember, violence against women isn't cool. 2/6


===TIER 1: You know, you don't HAVE to submit these styles

Uruguay -- Adrianne Lenker and Buck Meek {Indiana}
-- As with the Big Thief song from several contests ago - but even more so - this is another style that doesn't work for me at all. What IS it with high-pitched slightly-off-key vocals on overly emotional acoustic guitar? 1.8/6

Djibouti -- Veil of Maya {Subject Zero}
-- 1.7/6

Australia -- Flowerkid {Boy with the Winfields and the Wild Heart}
-- 1.6/6

Iraq -- Bon Iver {10 d E A T h b R E a s T (Extended Version)}
-- You owe me new headphones. :sheep: 1.3/6

Comoros -- Greta Van Fleet {Anthem}
-- 1.2/6

Iceland -- glass beach {glass beach}
-- I... I don't know what the appeal of this style is. I don't even know what quality it is that I lack, the quality that the rest of the human race has that makes this sort of musical desperation palatable. The musicanship is decent; the sound quality isn't. It goes downhill in the second half, and it was already pretty downhill. The whininess put it right where it belongs in this list. 1.15/6

Portugal -- Naseer Shamma {Al-Amiriyya/L'Abri d'Al-Amiriyya}
-- 15-minute entries are forbidden. Simulating a frigging
air raid
with an oud requires some serious skill and I respect that, but I sense I'm too literalist to get into the rest. I feel like this is a good thing to know about w.r.t. random trivia, but I don't know what to do with it in a song contest. I'm ultimately rating it at what I've defined to be "would not listen to again", and that happens to be here. 1/6




Japan -- 猫叉Master {REcorrection}
-- Yep, going the quiet 'n' contemplative route again. You need it; it builds character. This song is super-cute and technically quite impressive in the sense of how well the exposed sections are handled to produce their emotional effect. (The lyrics are moody and depressed, if you're wondering.)

Nekomata Master has a very distinguishable style, and this song actually has none of it. A much more recognizable song by this artist would be Beyond the Earth, their debut. Maybe I should have submitted that; as far as heavily sample-reliant video game music goes it kind of rocks, and the quiet types don't really seem to play well here.

I play this on loop when I do setup design, and wish it was longer than five minutes.


Spoiler: Rating system
6/6
- Largely a measure of excess from 5/6. Something I rate 6/6 is something I want to run up and hug you for introducing into my life. Don't worry, it's a hug over the internet. In person I would quietly thank your general direction.

5/6
- I voluntarily listened to this multiple times during the review. You really have to grab my attention and hold it (in a good way) for this to happen. I want to personally thank you for submitting this entry to the contest, and will be happy for the next few days.

4/6
- Entries I generally feel favorable toward. I would rather listen to this than silence. I'm glad you've broadened my musical horizons with this.

3/6
- Ambivalence or white noise. 3.1/6 is reserved for silence. I think your taste in music is boring or flawed, but still thank you for submitting something as pleasant as this, versus lower ratings.

2/6
- Entries I generally feel unfavorable toward. I don't necessarily feel emotional pain or revulsion; it's just something I feel is worse than listening to nothing at all.

1/6
- Entries I did not listen to a second time during the review for whichever reason. I generally consider this a sign of disrespect unless it's for my own health. Please do not this.

0/6
- Entries that trigger misophonia or are too offensive to get over. I am genuinely puzzled why you would make people you don't hate listen to this.

Given how this contest turned out, I may still be able to compress 3-5? I think I go from "I like this" to "I really like this" a lot more quickly than "I don't like this" to "I hate this".
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Post Post #106 (isolation #11) » Tue Nov 26, 2019 2:37 pm

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In post 105, Cyril wrote:Maybe at least check out this one too? Or die idc really
this is such a you thing to say
please don't change
tbc I'm saying this unironically
and also take no offense because I feel the same way toward a lot of people this contest


I put in my notes for the song since you're interested but the gist of it is that this entire style is something that I personally don't understand the appeal of. This new song would have gotten a better rating but it would still be low for the same reasons. I apologize. guess i'll die <shrug>
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Post Post #109 (isolation #12) » Tue Nov 26, 2019 4:49 pm

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In post 108, PJ. wrote:
In post 104, Vi wrote:even after reading the lyrics I have no idea what this song is supposed to be about.
It's about screaming "THAT IS BULLSHIT BLAZING STILL MY HEART IS BLAZING" during Guilty Gear Strive trailers.
All things considered, that meaning is #worthit.
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Post Post #113 (isolation #13) » Wed Nov 27, 2019 5:47 am

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Without knowing your tastes or ratings, purely playing the odds I'd guess Dji and USA...
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Post Post #125 (isolation #14) » Wed Nov 27, 2019 9:08 am

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In post 122, Cyril wrote:My top 2 were again the top 2 because I'm a sheep
You're probably going to out-wooloo me this time because I missed so hard on your entry.

This is a good set of winners though.

My entry didn't get a lot of votes, but the people who voted for it rated it highly. I'm deeply pleased for the chance to show a few people something they really like, and a bit sad that I tanked their sheeple rating.
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Post Post #128 (isolation #15) » Wed Nov 27, 2019 12:02 pm

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So because I'm not a stable genius I found a screw-up in my zeitgeist ranker thing. I fixed that (I think). I'll go back and fix the other contests and report on if anything meaningful changed...

As I was saying, here's how well your votes lined up with the final results. I think this translates to how much your vote affected the result.

SHEEPLE

VashtaNeurotic
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Scigatt
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zeebu
Vi = Reundo
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Cyril
|
faustiv
tris
Dr Easy Bake
N
toolenduso
|
MiniDeathStar
pickemgenius
|
Amrun
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|
|
Formerfish
Aurathebirb
SNOWFLAKE


As for reciprocity...
DOUBLE UP - Aurathebirb & tris AND Reundo
Formerfish & MiniDeathStar
Cyril & pickemgenius (trading 12s)

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Update: yeah not getting the algorithm to ignore one's own placement changes things some
the primary update is to the previous contest
wherein BABA IS ME AND NOT YOU
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Post Post #131 (isolation #16) » Wed Nov 27, 2019 3:14 pm

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In post 130, Aurathebirb wrote:
In post 125, Vi wrote:
In post 122, Cyril wrote:My top 2 were again the top 2 because I'm a sheep
You're probably going to out-wooloo me this time because I missed so hard on your entry.

This is a good set of winners though.

My entry didn't get a lot of votes, but the people who voted for it rated it highly. I'm deeply pleased for the chance to show a few people something they really like, and a bit sad that I tanked their sheeple rating.
Im the most special snowflake :o
You also got two people who submitted cool things and liked your entry too!
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