Game of Thrones

Venmar · Post Post #1418 (isolation #0) » Thu Feb 28, 2013 5:03 pm

I got unimaginably hooked on these series after watching the first episode, now I can't wait for season 3 which I think I am lucky that is not too far away, if I finished the first 2 seasons any earlier I would be dying from anticipation of March 31.

The trailer is epic. Nuff said, so many badass things shown in there.

Venmar · Post Post #1426 (isolation #1) » Sat Mar 02, 2013 4:51 pm

I heard they're releasing a 2 minute trailer on Monday, I think.

Can't wait for the season... i'm dying.

Venmar · Post Post #1449 (isolation #2) » Tue Mar 05, 2013 12:15 pm

I haven't read the books even though i own the first four...

Should I read them even though I watched the first 2 seasons or is it just not worth it? Or should I just read from the 3rd book and onwards?

Venmar · Post Post #1456 (isolation #3) » Tue Mar 05, 2013 2:54 pm

I know it's worth it, I watched the show and I was like " OMG THIS IS SOOOO GUUUUUD "

Now I want more.

I heard that the books have way more explanation, go into more detail, and have way more characters and side stories that the series couldn't fit in. Yeah, time to read.

Venmar · Post Post #1458 (isolation #4) » Wed Mar 06, 2013 10:22 am

Ummm...

Spoiler:

Venmar · Post Post #1473 (isolation #5) » Fri Mar 15, 2013 2:35 pm

Short, but great.

Venmar · Post Post #1481 (isolation #6) » Mon Mar 18, 2013 1:31 pm

Guys i'm barely halfway through the first book and I keep wanting to just skip to the third one

Venmar · Post Post #1488 (isolation #7) » Wed Mar 20, 2013 4:19 am

I still for some reason find it unsettling everyone is like 12.

Venmar · Post Post #1501 (isolation #8) » Sat Mar 23, 2013 1:57 pm

Possible Season 2 Spoiler:

Spoiler:

Venmar · Post Post #1511 (isolation #9) » Mon Mar 25, 2013 12:13 pm

I don't imagine the death of her husband helped her stop either.

It's not normal, though, I agree.

Venmar · Mon Mar 25, 2013 12:13 pm

Still better than Joffrey

Venmar · Post Post #1527 (isolation #11) » Sun Mar 31, 2013 3:12 am

I'm trying to read the first book but I can't seem to keep reading it in a session for more than 15 mins before putting it down.

Venmar · Post Post #1531 (isolation #12) » Sun Mar 31, 2013 5:16 am

It's not bad, just that I already saw the TV show

Venmar · Post Post #1563 (isolation #13) » Mon Apr 01, 2013 5:14 am

This was my face the entirety of the ending of the recent episode:

Spoiler:

Venmar · Post Post #1571 (isolation #14) » Mon Apr 01, 2013 3:16 pm

Joffrey was also like 100% less of an ass this episode, and was nearly likeable.

Season 3 Episode 1 Spoiler:

Spoiler:

Venmar · Post Post #1599 (isolation #15) » Wed Apr 03, 2013 4:30 am

Nobody read the above post if you haven't seen the first season... giant spoiler.

PEDit: Arcs post.

Venmar · Post Post #1608 (isolation #16) » Wed Apr 03, 2013 5:21 am

Just in case:

Major Season 1 Spoilers:

Spoiler:

Venmar · Post Post #1631 (isolation #17) » Sun Apr 07, 2013 4:36 pm

I think I cheered a bit too much when Jaime and Brienne were captured by the Bolton men, I like the Starks.

Venmar · Post Post #1690 (isolation #18) » Mon Apr 08, 2013 4:23 pm

I actually hope that Theon doesn't escape the Boltons, he deserves to be tortured or to die for his treachery and betrayal of Robb. I also hope that Jaime is taken into custody properly and safely returned to Robb so he can resume his war effort with the kingslayer once again up for bargaining.

( This is coming from someone still barely halfway through the first book )

Venmar · Post Post #1744 (isolation #19) » Sun Apr 14, 2013 6:15 pm

Rhaegar fought valiantly, Rhaegar fought nobly, Rhaegar fought bravely. And Rhaegar died.

I was actually really sold on the last scene that the leader of the Boltons was actually going to let Jaime go, and the whole time I was yelling at my screen " NO HE WILL KILL YOU ALL ". Then Jaime lost his hand, so there's that.

Venmar · Mon Apr 15, 2013 10:19 am

In post 1761, Tierce wrote:I like that no good deed goes unpunished. Jaime was genuinely trying to help Brienne (his enemy! who he tried to kill on the last episode! who he mocks all the way!) and got his... rightful... payment for it. Sure, he got cocky and was dangling his family in front of Locke, but sheesh. For once, we saw him be a decent human being and see what it got him.

Jaime wasn't punished for trying to help Brienne, he was punished for trying to trick Locke to into releasing him and handing him over to the Lannisters.

Venmar · Post Post #1777 (isolation #21) » Thu Apr 18, 2013 3:52 am

I'm half way through the first book

Yeah, still slow progress, but it's getting more and more interesting at least.

Small GoT Book Spoiler??????? ( Getting paranoid now )

( Also, interestingly Eddard's leg was shattered by a horse.. not by a spear through the knee )

Venmar · Post Post #1787 (isolation #22) » Sun Apr 21, 2013 6:13 pm

Badass episode, really

sad that Mormont was killed however

, and

Beric looks badass and his voice is amazing

Venmar · Post Post #1799 (isolation #23) » Mon Apr 22, 2013 4:56 pm

I believe House Targaryen is an old house from the Valyrian Freehold, so technically I do think Valyrian is their "native" or "root" tongue.

Venmar · Post Post #1814 (isolation #24) » Wed Apr 24, 2013 7:35 am

Spoiler:

Venmar · Post Post #1816 (isolation #25) » Wed Apr 24, 2013 8:30 am

In post 1815, Xalxe wrote:
In post 1814, Venmar wrote:
Spoiler:
I'm confused, was theon originally being tortured by the ironborns, and then rescued by the acher dude, and then brought to the dread fort for the boltons? Like was he saved from the ironborns by the boltons so they could take him and torture him themselves?

Spoiler:
Theon was saved from the Boltons and taken to the Boltons.

that makes almost no sense whatsoever.

Venmar · Post Post #1828 (isolation #26) » Sat Apr 27, 2013 5:53 am

Almost finished with the first book, like 160 pages from finishing. I enjoy the books, but it's going along slowly because I don't think i've read such large books before where as here it takes me like 3-5 minutes to just read two pages. I was hoping that the next four would go easier and faster, but they're all larger...

Spoiler: Season 3 Episode 4

Venmar · Post Post #1833 (isolation #27) » Sun Apr 28, 2013 8:15 am

Finished the first book, finally. Onto ACOK...

Wondering if I should stop watching Season 3 until i've finished the third book. Patience, does it exist?

Venmar · Post Post #1848 (isolation #28) » Sun Apr 28, 2013 6:31 pm

Lol, Tywin is just asking for his own children to backstab him, all three seemingly don't like him anymore.

Venmar · Post Post #1851 (isolation #29) » Mon Apr 29, 2013 2:09 am

^ Heh.... idk if that's sarcasm or not but w/e

So much feels in all of the Arya scenes... I never shed tears on anything but I think I almost did...

Venmar · Post Post #1886 (isolation #30) » Fri May 03, 2013 1:39 pm

If it is worth anything, I was tempted to start from book 3 myself. I started from book 1 and despite knowing what will happen next "generally", and yet it's still a very nice read. I found Book 1 to be very close to how the show went, but I'm only like 200 pages into ACOK, and there's a lot of different details already in regards to the second season. Though the books are a bit intimidating and time consuming to read, they're truly fantastic.

I also found out my English teacher is a giant fan of the book series. I was creeped out when she looked at me and evilly chuckled, taping her hands together saying " Can't wait for the middle to end of the 3rd season,

so much death that I love

"

:/

Venmar · Post Post #1895 (isolation #31) » Sat May 04, 2013 5:03 am

When is the paperback version of Dance with Dragons coming out?

Venmar · Post Post #1909 (isolation #32) » Sat May 04, 2013 6:03 pm

On page 325 of ACOK, and i'm happy to say that it's much easier to read than AGOT since it's more fast paced and less character development. The amount of differences between the show and the books really leaps out at you starting at ACOK, and it's really neat. I'm hoping to catch up with Season 3, but I doubt i'll do that before it ends.

Arya has become my favourite character as well.

Venmar · Post Post #1919 (isolation #33) » Sun May 05, 2013 3:44 am

I like to take breaks on pretty numbers like that.

I don't get it, what did I do.

Venmar · Post Post #1932 (isolation #34) » Sun May 05, 2013 5:59 pm

I always had my assumption that Gendry would eventually become the king, I mean, a Baratheon Bastard has been made a great lord before?

Venmar · Post Post #1942 (isolation #35) » Mon May 06, 2013 3:13 am

Ramsay is a true maniac.

Venmar · Post Post #1952 (isolation #36) » Mon May 06, 2013 2:27 pm

To be fair, I imagine Theon himself doesn't think he is held by the Boltons because he was freed from them earlier. Or, so I think. I can believe that he would be too horrified and scared to admit where he is.

Venmar · Post Post #1973 (isolation #37) » Tue May 07, 2013 2:53 pm

@PM - Awesome, I loved the first book a lot. Eddard and Robert really made that book for me.

Anyone else think Joffrey and Ramsay would be REALLY good friends if they ever met?

Venmar · Post Post #2000 (isolation #38) » Sat May 11, 2013 6:48 am

In post 1994, xRECKONERx wrote:The more I talk to people the more I hate Robb Stark.

Why? Robb is my favorite character right now, alongside Arya.

Venmar · Post Post #2005 (isolation #39) » Sat May 11, 2013 7:40 am

Okay I can understand that, I think I just like him so much though because he reminds me of Ned.

To be fair though, he has won every single battle so far, and actually has good leadership and his bannermen actually respect him. Executing Karstark was, however, a retarded move I agree, and probably cost him the war.

Venmar · Sun May 12, 2013 12:52 pm

I agree with Faraday completely.

Robb going to war is completely justified. Lysa Arryn and Doran Martell would do the same if their siblings or parents were taken hostage as well. I don't think staying in the north would work out either, I imagine most of his bannermen would abandon and/or lose respect in him, especially the Umbers and Karstarks.

Robb makes some dumb decisions ( Karstark being executed and sending Theon to Balon for example ), but ultimately if Robb had more men, I believe he could very well win the war.

For example, if House Arryn and House Greyjoy actually joined his side, I imagine this war would be going VERY VERY differently. Not to mention if Renly never died...

Venmar · Post Post #2024 (isolation #41) » Sun May 12, 2013 4:27 pm

Lol, Thormund and his penis demonstrations.

I think I feel bad for Theon now, that was just completely cruel.

Venmar · Post Post #2040 (isolation #42) » Mon May 13, 2013 3:12 am

The fact there haven't been any deaths in the last few episodes, I can only fear that there's going to a continent-wide massacre of main and minor characters soon, lol.

Venmar · Post Post #2063 (isolation #43) » Wed May 15, 2013 3:58 pm

I want to see Robb make a comeback... I really do... but I just don't see it happening. I feel like literally the only good move he could hope right now would be to take what remains of his Northern Armies and take them back North. Retake and rebuild Winterfell, forge a peace ( or deal ) with the Karstarks, defend his homeland against the Greyjoys, drive out any invaders or rebels, save his bannermen that were left behind in the North as well as their castles, and restore the peace in the North. Then set his armies on defending on the shores and borders and hope to strike a peace with whoever wins in the South.

Robb seriously cannot expect to win this war... he has to go back...

But Robb is too ambitious, proud, and honour bound to really make such a decision... which is why I think he might end up dying.

Venmar · Post Post #2065 (isolation #44) » Thu May 16, 2013 2:18 am

I don't think many would laugh at him for retreating. At this point, I imagine his army is much much smaller, and staying in this war against enemies who have double if not triple his numbers seems like suicide, and possibly pulling back would be the smart thing to do. Like Tyrion said, Robb can start counting the amounts of enemies that have risen against him.

Venmar · Sun May 19, 2013 12:35 pm

Robb is trying, I wish no misfortune for him.

Any chance we get to see the Martell's before the end of this season? Would be kind of badass if they showed up out of nowhere and started fucking shit up.

Venmar · Post Post #2074 (isolation #46) » Sun May 19, 2013 5:58 pm

I hate Cersei all over again.

Davos being freed is awesome, I love Davos. The moment when Stannis names the three people that he wanted dead... made me sad when he said Robb's name. I expected it, I just wish he didn't do that.

Danny is also awesome stole the episode, and I root for her, but I feel like she is way too cocky and confident, even though she speaks and thinks very well.

Venmar · Mon May 20, 2013 11:53 am

I think I remember seeing the obsidian blade on the ground after the white walker exploded.

Not that it matters, I believe Sam found a good amount of them.

Venmar · Post Post #2105 (isolation #48) » Sun May 26, 2013 1:20 pm

Just finished ACOK:
- Conclusion: Really Good. Not much different from the season really, but I noticed all of the Brienne + Jaime scenes in Season 2 aren't actually in the book, and after reading the first two chapters of ASOS, I imagine they got these from the third book and shoved them into Season 2? Some of the scenes in the book were handled quite a bit differently though, especially how

Harrenhal was taken, what happened in Winterfell, and the whole Jon and Ygritte + Halfhand situation.

( Not actual spoilers, but in case someone hasn't read the book ). I've been enjoying the books a lot as well.

I hear A Storm of Swords is the best book in the series?

Venmar · Post Post #2122 (isolation #49) » Wed May 29, 2013 4:36 pm

Hrmm. Does this mean that while I read ASOS I actually get to meet the Dornishmen / Martell's in the second half of ASOS?

Venmar · Post Post #2140 (isolation #50) » Sun Jun 02, 2013 4:34 pm

I'm done with this show. That was way too far.

Seriously. WTF. I'M DONE.

Venmar · Post Post #2142 (isolation #51) » Sun Jun 02, 2013 4:42 pm

I knew Robb and Catelyn were going to die through some unfortunate internet spoilers... but the way they died was just... ugh.

Boltons usurp the north, like the Tyrells usurped Highgarden. WOOPIE.

Really hope Blackfish survived, he went outside so he might've lived. Same with Edmure.

I hope that the Umbers go berserk. Death to Boltons.

Venmar · Post Post #2144 (isolation #52) » Sun Jun 02, 2013 4:45 pm

Gardeners overthrown, Tyrells go to power. Starks overthrown, Boltons go to power.

I know, different situation, time, circumstances. Similar though. Well, not as similar as I thought. Whatever.

Venmar · Post Post #2177 (isolation #53) » Mon Jun 03, 2013 4:07 am

Why do I have this feeling that Rickon is going to become this badass knight or warrior while under the Umbers and then be all like " Bitch i'm Rickon Stark".

Where's the Greatjon. Geeze I miss that guy, why did Robb ever replace Greatjon with Bolton as his right hand man?

Venmar · Post Post #2267 (isolation #54) » Mon Jun 10, 2013 3:25 am

When Sam was rising from the ground, for a second I hoped and thought it would be Benjen

Venmar · Post Post #2336 (isolation #55) » Sun Jun 16, 2013 5:55 am

I'm team Martell I think. I need to keep reading ASOS, i have been getting to distracted with video games and real life, but Oberyn is awesome.
#inb4Oberynisbrutallykilledoff

Show wise though, my favorite characters will remain Jon and Arya until the Martells show up next season ( hopefully ).

Venmar · Wed Jun 19, 2013 11:09 am

Re: Reck's Spoilers

Some things about Doran. I don't these are any real spoilers, just characteristics.

Spoiler:

Venmar · Post Post #2399 (isolation #57) » Wed Jul 03, 2013 8:42 am

Oberyn Martell has been officially casted, and will be played by Pedro Pascal:

http://insidetv.ew.com/2013/06/28/thron ... er-oberyn/
http://www.westeros.org/GoT/News/Entry/ ... rtell_Cast

Pedro Pascal:

Venmar · Post Post #2400 (isolation #58) » Sun Jul 14, 2013 4:17 pm

Also, I finally read up to the Red Wedding in ASOS, and I have decided that I do not like what they have done with Robb in the show,

at all.

I also learned that 1 particular Danny chapter in the books was stretched out over 5 of the last episodes of Season 3, which made me go " lol wat "

Venmar · Post Post #2411 (isolation #59) » Sat Jul 20, 2013 7:17 pm

I love reading Jon, Tyrion, Davos, and Arya.

I don't feel either way regarding Sansa, don't hate or love.

Bran and Sam are pretty boring.

Venmar · Post Post #2419 (isolation #60) » Sun Jul 21, 2013 2:05 pm

I found the fighting in Blackwater kind of.. unimpressive though. Like the scene where Tyrion rushes out to flank the mud gate... the fight ends so quickly when he arrives that it's unrealistc.

Venmar · Post Post #2436 (isolation #61) » Tue Jul 30, 2013 2:41 am

I like these casts for these characters.

Venmar · Post Post #2454 (isolation #62) » Mon Sep 16, 2013 4:45 am

I finally finished reading the second half of Storm of Swords... on to Feast of Crows

Venmar · Fri Nov 15, 2013 12:16 pm

Just pirate them >.>

Venmar · Post Post #2464 (isolation #64) » Mon Nov 18, 2013 3:35 pm

The ones I pirated are crystal clear HD :/

You can buy Season 1 & 2 at most shops, I believe season 3 too? No need to wait for HBO.

Venmar · Post Post #2473 (isolation #65) » Sun Jan 12, 2014 7:22 pm

Season 4 Trailer

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xZY43QSx3Fk

Venmar · Post Post #2478 (isolation #66) » Mon Jan 13, 2014 8:06 am

I read the whole third book, and I don't think

Jaime got a prosthetic hand? Or did I somehow miss that, I know he considered it in reference to the dead city watch captain's hand, but I don't think he actually got one.

Also Jon never swordfighted in the battle of Castle Black like the trailer portrayed, Jon was an archer due to his bad leg. Also Allister Thorne was not at Castle Black AT ALL at that point in the story, he came after the battle not before. (thought maybe he's replacing the one armed smith, idk)

Venmar · Post Post #2480 (isolation #67) » Mon Jan 13, 2014 9:34 am

I'm like 40% into AFFC.

Venmar · Post Post #2487 (isolation #68) » Sun Mar 30, 2014 4:42 am

I'm like, 80% done AFFC, but I only read like 1 or 2 chapters a week because i'm too lazy to actually read it.

Venmar · Post Post #2492 (isolation #69) » Wed Apr 02, 2014 3:58 am

Lol, I might be doing that soon....

I'm worried because my reading of the books is so spaced out, that by the time I finish ADWD I will probably have to reread the series all over again because I might have forgotten a bunch of stuff I read.

I'm still such a fan of the series though, just wish I had motivation to read them more religiously than this.

Venmar · Post Post #2499 (isolation #70) » Thu Apr 03, 2014 3:41 am

In post 2498, bv310 wrote:
In post 2493, Venmar wrote:Lol, I might be doing that soon....

I'm worried because my reading of the books is so spaced out, that by the time I finish ADWD I will probably have to reread the series all over again because I might have forgotten a bunch of stuff I read.

I'm still such a fan of the series though, just wish I had motivation to read them more religiously than this.
On the plus side, at that rate you should be just in time for Winds of Winter and GRRM's funeral

Maybe, isn't there supposed to be one more book after Winds of Winter? Like, Sounds of Spring or something like that?

Venmar · Post Post #2544 (isolation #71) » Thu Apr 10, 2014 3:19 am

I actually thoroughly enjoy the Martells, and I think the accent and look they have fits what I envisioned Dorne as. I always viewed Dorne as Spain in Europe. I mean, the geography

is

similar, Dorne, like Spain, has a vast mountain range separating it from the rest of Europe, and it has a much hotter climate than that of the other parts of the continent. So I guess I was visualizing either Spaniards or Mediterranean people, and I am not disappointed, Oberyn and the dornishmen are badass.

Venmar · Post Post #2550 (isolation #72) » Sun Apr 13, 2014 6:51 pm

In post 2548, xRECKONERx wrote:SHIT YES.

they made me coil back in horror at
JOFFREY'S FUCKING DEATH
. That takes some seriously good writing and direction.

Also did anyone else catch the shot that revealed the culprit?

I think I kno who did it, but there was a shot of the culprit? Where what and how?

Venmar · Post Post #2559 (isolation #73) » Mon Apr 14, 2014 4:04 am

Yeah, I knew it was Olenna, due to what Reck showed and the eye contact Tyrion made with her before giving Joffrey the second wine cup that would kill Joff. Plus, other stuff. Though Olenna did give a really convincing scene when Joffrey was dying, yelling really loudly to help him.

Venmar · Post Post #2562 (isolation #74) » Mon Apr 14, 2014 4:35 am

Yeah the actor playing him came down with cancer I believe

Bronn is a good backup though.

Venmar · Post Post #2573 (isolation #75) » Mon Apr 14, 2014 1:04 pm

In post 2570, Aegor wrote:
@Venmar:

The show also set up Olenna's involvement wonderfully last season. She of all the characters seemed the most intereste in Joffrey's character and clearly cared about Margaery's well-being. If you re-watch the scene, let me know if you notice anything interesting about M's behavior.

Yup! The scene where Olenna asks Sansa on her opinion of Joffrey, and Sansa calls Joffrey a monster, comes the most vividly to mind. Olenna both in the book and in the show makes it clear that she thinks her husband, and her son Mace are/were both idiots or very incapable. It's even another reason to suspect (though a bit a stretch) that Olenna was avoiding for a third idiot (Joffrey) in a row in stepping into the Tyrell family. I mean, she is known as the Queen of

Thorns

, right?

Venmar · Post Post #2575 (isolation #76) » Mon Apr 14, 2014 1:44 pm

I actually like the Boltons. Though maybe that's because I am emotionally immune to being creeped out or being uncomfortable while watching like, anything in any movie or any show.

Venmar · Post Post #2586 (isolation #77) » Tue Apr 15, 2014 3:32 am

He didn't.

Venmar · Mon Apr 21, 2014 11:59 am

The Tywin scenes though

Venmar · Tue Apr 22, 2014 12:28 pm

Not me, i enjoy the brothel scenes

Venmar · Post Post #2686 (isolation #80) » Tue Apr 22, 2014 1:39 pm

(better quality, yw)

Venmar · Post Post #2689 (isolation #81) » Wed Apr 23, 2014 3:07 am

Meh, a lot of the people (if not all) I know at my school who watch game of thrones, always keep saying "OMG GAME OF THRONES IS JUST PORN, SO MUCH TITIES, SO MUCH SEX, SO MUCH NUDITY, OMGOMGOMGOMG AWESUUUUUUUUUUUM", and every time they say that I feel like smashing rusty pipe across their face.

Venmar · Post Post #2697 (isolation #82) » Thu Apr 24, 2014 3:12 am

I like him way more than the old one personally.

Venmar · Post Post #2699 (isolation #83) » Thu Apr 24, 2014 7:32 am

Well, generally, even for HBO, female nudity is viewed as more okay (acceptable, maybe?) than male nudity, for some reason I think. Though I wouldn't complain if I got to see some Jaime cock.

Venmar · Post Post #2733 (isolation #84) » Sat Apr 26, 2014 9:30 am

omg do it

i would do it

Venmar · Post Post #2747 (isolation #85) » Mon Apr 28, 2014 2:11 am

In post 2745, Untrod Tripod wrote:so admittedly I haven't read as far in the books as the show has gotten, but I've poked around the awoiaf site, and uh.... did this Bran storyline happen in the books?

I think the entire Bran situation right now, and the Night Watche's quest to Crasters Keep, is completely unique to the show and didn't happen in the books.

Venmar · Post Post #2804 (isolation #86) » Tue May 06, 2014 3:04 am

Locke cut brans leg to see if he was crippled, and as a result actually Bran Stark, not for fun or to infect him.

Venmar · Post Post #2809 (isolation #87) » Wed May 07, 2014 7:14 am

I don't think Locke particularly needed Bran alive, so infection probably wasn't on his priority list. He was probably taking Bran away from the keep so he could kill him somewhere remote, so Jon wouldn't find the body after the battle.

But yeah, I think I agree with the sentiments here, it just made sense from a story POV I think.

Venmar · Post Post #2812 (isolation #88) » Thu May 08, 2014 4:15 pm

Venmar · Post Post #2821 (isolation #89) » Sun May 11, 2014 7:11 pm

Omg omg omg omg omg omg omg omg omg omg just finished A Feast For Crows. The last few chapters were

really WTF

When I finish ADWD I will feel like I am on top of the world, book thread and /r/GoT will await my spare time

Oh, and yeah, Dinklage is fucking amazing.

Venmar · Post Post #2833 (isolation #90) » Sun May 18, 2014 4:40 pm

Meh, I liked the ending scene, didn't have a problem with the "Only Cat" and "Your Sister" distinction.

Venmar · Post Post #2836 (isolation #91) » Sun May 18, 2014 4:51 pm

Don't like how Jon in the show though advocates sealing the tunnel when in the books he says sealing the tunnel is a hindrance that would make them blind (as in no ranging). [Of course i haven't finished ADWD yet, almost halfway, but this was his stance the last chapter i read from him.]

The little things.

Venmar · Post Post #2843 (isolation #92) » Mon May 19, 2014 4:20 am

I liked the brief Daario scene more than the Melisandre moment myself

.

Venmar · Mon May 19, 2014 10:38 am

That scene was the greatest, probably the only part of the entire series where I actually got a tiny bit emotional.

Venmar · Mon May 19, 2014 10:38 am

Oh, other than RW and Ned.

Venmar · Post Post #2869 (isolation #95) » Mon Jun 02, 2014 5:25 am

My god... that was even more brutal, disturbing, and heart breaking than in the books..

Just like the books Oberyn is winning throughout the entire fight and practically kills the Mountain, and then is by surprise knocked off and wiped out. It's the fact its played up for so long as him the victor and then he is instantly squashed as dead in the manner of 5 seconds that makes it so heart breaking for me and probably everyone else. RIP Oberyn. And RIP Mountain, that cunt.

Venmar · Post Post #2877 (isolation #96) » Tue Jun 03, 2014 3:38 am

In post 2872, evilpacman18 wrote:
In post 2869, Venmar wrote:
And RIP Mountain, that cunt.
GOD DAMN IT YOU BOOK READERS AND YOUR SPOILERS

I think I spoilered it for a reason. Also how is it not obvious?

The guy took a fucking spear straight through his entire chest in that fight.

Venmar · Wed Jun 04, 2014 12:12 pm

In post 2878, evilpacman18 wrote:
The episode clearly ended with them wanting us to believe that the mountain had survived, regardless of how heavily injured he is. Your post didn't indicate that you would be spoiling stuff about what will happen in the future. I don't read that stuff but I do read things about what happened differently in the books, provided that it does not speak of future events. Your post was unclear about that.

The ending simply shows that the Mountain managed to kill Oberyn in his last ditch efforts. Men in the past have been able to take someone with them to their graves. In the first Oberyn stabbed the Mountain several times, cut open his leg, and then fucking leaped into the air, and smashed his entire spear spoint through the Mountains chest. I truly apologize for spoiling it to you it's just that I don't think it should have been such a surprise I guess?

Venmar · Post Post #2893 (isolation #98) » Sun Jun 08, 2014 5:28 am

Lol, inb4

Spoiler: TV Show

Venmar · Post Post #2898 (isolation #99) » Sun Jun 08, 2014 4:57 pm

Jon's POV has officially left the books.

Venmar · Mon Jun 09, 2014 3:35 am

What? Wall Fight > Battle of Blackwater Bay by a mile. Giants and epic fighting > big green explosion.

Venmar · Tue Jun 10, 2014 4:00 am

Well they had to spend the whole episode at the Wall for the entirety of the fight, similarly how they had to do the same thing for Episode 9 of Season 2, for the Battle of Blackwater bay. They're massive scenes and needed the length of the episode to be properly depicted. I loved this episode because I thought Sam, Allister, Ed, Grenn, Pyp, and Jon were all acting very well and I ended up caring a lot for all of them, Pyps and Sams parts in the show were touching, Allister was for once badass and reputable, etc, etc.

Besides, the scenes with the Giants, in my opinion, were fucking brilliant. I laughed long and hard when they started shooting fucking trees at the wall and sending people flying. I also actually thought the Giant King wasn't going to make it into the show for some reason, but he did, and that made me really happy, even if it came at the cost of probably my favourite minor character on the Wall, Grenn.

Venmar · Tue Jun 10, 2014 4:02 am

Also, this:

Was fucken brilliant as well. So great.

Venmar · Mon Jun 16, 2014 4:18 am

In post 2935, AngryPidgeon wrote:So why didn't Arya kill the hound?

Was she too attached to him or was he deserving of that fate?

Deserving of that fate.

I thought the Tyrion scene was very rushed as well, though I was kind of happy he didn't

Cuss out Jaime and say all of the mean things about Cersei as a goodbye like he did in the books

, that scene made me sad.

Actually, to be honest, most of the scenes in this episode were very rushed, even the Brienne and Stannis scenes. Still a decent ending, I think?

Venmar · Tue Jun 17, 2014 5:36 am

I actually thought that the amount of horses and men Stannis had charging into the forest was way more than he actually had both in the show and the books? Maybe he used the gold from the Bank to buy sellswords, but a thousand sellswords? All wearing Baratheon armour? Idk.

Venmar · Sat Jun 21, 2014 10:59 am

Or we could use tab spoilers rather than blacked out spoilers, and label said tab spoilers so people know where the spoilers are from. This way book readers can still refer to the books when comparing to the show, and the watchers will know what theyre clicking on.

Venmar · Thu Jun 26, 2014 5:35 am

Not sure if the pugs are neutral about what they're doing or if they're sad.

Venmar · Sun Apr 12, 2015 12:57 pm

Pretty sure HBO only sent out the first 4 as screeners to reviewers. Highly doubt 5th epidosde will be released anytime sooner than its showing.

Venmar · Sun Apr 12, 2015 5:39 pm

In post 3105, Albert B. Rampage wrote:Saw the first two. Meh.

I saw the leaked second episode, only read if you're willing to read a plot point that happens in it-->

The show sending Jamie and Bronn (suposedly) to Dorne in the second episode made me cringe as a book reader. This is unnatural. Also, Brienne meeting Sansa. Also, the guy from Eastwatch not being a Lord Commander candidate at the choosing. I cry at the deviations sometimes.

Venmar · Sun Apr 12, 2015 7:34 pm

Yeah um this season is the most deviating now of all the season. Like, I..

sigh, it pains me that Reck is right.

Venmar · Mon Apr 13, 2015 3:44 am

In other words, Robbin swinging a sword like "a girl with palsy" and making hilarious grunting noises when getting hit was wonderful.

Venmar · Mon Apr 13, 2015 3:57 am

In post 3115, Iecerint wrote:
In post 3113, AniX wrote:
Spoiler: Spoiler For People who haven't read the books
So is Aegon gone 5ever?

Probably, alongside
Zombie Cat, Arianne, not-Arya, lots of Eyrie adventures, and Pyke
.

Spoiler:

Venmar · Mon Apr 13, 2015 12:25 pm

Don't get why people hate on the quality. It's good. 480p will not make your eyes fall out.

I hate the 1080 high bitrate circlejerk sometimes. I mean, yes, its better. Yes, i'd prefer it. No, it is not the end of the world if its not available.

Venmar · Wed Apr 22, 2015 5:11 pm

In post 3154, Aeronaut wrote:Also, I'm sort of glad there's not gonna be bran storyline this time around. I was sort of feeling like that was eh

I remember sighing very loudly everytime i'd see Bran on the show or flip to a Bran chapter in the books. Like, in the books, at least they'd get interesting after the first few pages, but I don't ever remember "OH BOY, A BRAN CHAPTER?!?!?!?! FUCK YEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH!!!"

Venmar · Sun Apr 26, 2015 2:06 pm

Two more weeks until I can resume watching new GoT episodes!

Venmar · Mon Apr 27, 2015 12:08 pm

Mountain in the books

Is supposed to be dead. I will be unhappy if they turn him into a frankenstein

Yeah yeah whatever the books don't matter anyways, but I reserve the right to complain!

Venmar · Tue Apr 28, 2015 3:58 am

In post 3192, Iecerint wrote:
In post 3190, Venmar wrote:Mountain in the books
Is supposed to be dead. I will be unhappy if they turn him into a frankenstein

Yeah yeah whatever the books don't matter anyways, but I reserve the right to complain!

You're actually mistaken about that, though maybe not in the obvious way.
Mountain's situation
is pretty similar in the book and show.

I know that

Mountain screams through the halls of the castle and suffers immensely because they try to save him, but I swear that I can distinctively recall that he died, and that his skull was given to the Martells?

Venmar · Fri May 01, 2015 7:02 am

This is when you guys leave this thread and go to the Book thread.

Venmar · Fri May 01, 2015 9:20 am

JH is taking the books too far into this thread

Venmar · Mon May 04, 2015 4:39 pm

I thought the fight itself was weak.

"Oh Dany, im gonna to conveniently go for a walk. Oh look! Harpy! I'm going to be a hero! Oh shit, i'm old and there's dozens of them. Oh thanks Grey worm for saving me a lot. Oh shit, now we're both possibly dead. #worthit"

Venmar · Sun May 10, 2015 5:44 pm

RIP

Barristan

the

Old

Venmar · Mon May 11, 2015 5:18 am

I'm a bit chapped with how the season is going in contrast to the books, i'm too conscious of it and I end up liking the book version of the events as a result. That being said, I still like the show, but it's becoming alien to me and I think things like converging all the characters to one place (Winterfell) is far from necessary to have a good show or create good storylines. If anything, if the writers are converging all of the characters to one place to advance their plots better, I think that's just lazy writting if anything.

Venmar · Mon May 11, 2015 5:52 am

Having seperate plots and characters away from each other is the entire setting and idea of Game of Thrones (and in all of the seasons before this one) so I don't know why it is so alien to you all of the sudden?

Venmar · Mon May 11, 2015 8:19 am

In post 3274, hasdgfas wrote:The show is not "A Song of Ice and Fire by George R R Martin", the show is "Game of Thrones by David Benioff and D.B. Weiss, based off of A Song of Ice and Fire by George R R Martin". At this point, I've accepted that they're different canons and not the same story anymore.

I've accepted that by now as well, but at this point I am worried objectively I think. I don't like the changes made as a book reader, and as a normal show watcher, the story has gotten boring by this point. A lot of the glamour that was the Starks, Joffrey, Tywin, and company are gone, and we're left with a broken dornish plot, a clumped bunch of characters at Winterfell, and Jaime. I will keep watching because I still love the show and story, but I think it's going a bit downhill.

Venmar · Mon May 11, 2015 12:08 pm

In post 3290, xRECKONERx wrote:
In post 3285, Venmar wrote:
In post 3274, hasdgfas wrote:The show is not "A Song of Ice and Fire by George R R Martin", the show is "Game of Thrones by David Benioff and D.B. Weiss, based off of A Song of Ice and Fire by George R R Martin". At this point, I've accepted that they're different canons and not the same story anymore.

I've accepted that by now as well, but at this point I am worried objectively I think. I don't like the changes made as a book reader, and as a normal show watcher, the story has gotten boring by this point. A lot of the glamour that was the Starks, Joffrey, Tywin, and company are gone, and we're left with a broken dornish plot, a clumped bunch of characters at Winterfell, and Jaime. I will keep watching because I still love the show and story, but I think it's going a bit downhill.

I remember having this reaction after The Red Wedding. "Ughhh, nobody is left to root for, I don't care about any of the remaining characters!"

To an extent, that's still true. I was thinking in the shower today, "Would I freak the hell out about most of the remaining characters dying?" and the answer was objectively "no". I sort of glazed over Selmy's thing last week. I don't think the show has the balls to pull off anything as big as the Red Wedding. Who is left to care about? I mean, I care about Tyrion's journey... and Sansa. That's about it. I guess Arya becoming a badass little assassin is cool, but unfortunately it runs into the issue of being completely unrelated to anything else happening in the show.

That's always been my problem with Essos stuff, actually. I get how, in theory, it could be related. But every time the books went to Essos I had to struggle through it, because I just don't CARE about the intercity politics of the free cities, or Dany's anti-slavery mission, or Arya leaving Westeros, or any of that. Tyrion being transplanted to Essos makes it more tolerable, simply because he was such a key figure in Westerosi politics... but overall, most of the Essos stuff feels like a separate book/series of books. It's also why I was never particularly invested in the Ironborn or Dornish plotlines, because they're sort of straddling the line between relevant and not relevant.

Oh I didn't mean to make it sound like I have no characters left to root for. I am firm supporter of Jaime, Stannis, and Jon, my favourite characters still around in the show. The deaths of the Starks, Tywin, Oberyn, etc, weren't supposed to make it look like I lost interest, if that was the case, i'd have stopped reading after ASOS, which I didn't.

As far as the books go, I kind of stopped enjoying Arya's chapters after she went to Bravos. Martin spent 4 books building up Arya's character as Arya Stark, and then crushed it in front of your eyes and basically threw out her previous character to make her a faceless man. I mean she is still a good character, but the reasons I liked her are no longer part of her character and its strange. Same thing with Danny, I love her chapters but I just kind of wished she'd kill all of the Meerenese, stop being so nice, and just cut her way to Westeros. The petty politics of butt-hurt slavers got old really fast.

I still like the show, I dont mean to sound like I don't, I just think the direction they are taking a lot of the characters, largely

Selmy's death, Jorah getting greyscale, Jaime and Bronn going to Dorne (which I cant see ending well), etc

seem unnecessary.

Venmar · Wed May 13, 2015 1:50 pm

Or maybe cause he hates Brothels and/or thinks they're just bad..?

Stannis isn't asexual, he's just hardcore.

Venmar · Thu May 14, 2015 3:54 am

Venmar · Mon May 18, 2015 10:50 am

I actually thought Sansa was going to slip out a knife out of her sleeve when she was undoing it and then fucking slice Ramsays throat.

That would've been

fantastic

Venmar · Mon May 18, 2015 11:43 am

Dude it wasn't a rational hope, it was a fools hope.

JUSTICEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

Venmar · Mon May 18, 2015 4:22 pm

The episode did kind of set you up though to expect Sansa to stand up to Ramsay after she stood up to Miranda and showed how she's grown tougher and shit. Shame really.

Then again, we can probably expect more from her in the next few episodes.

Venmar · Mon May 18, 2015 4:23 pm

Also, I actually think the Dorne scene wasn't that bad. Forgot his name but the captain of the guard for Doran is totally badass.

Venmar · Mon May 18, 2015 4:27 pm

Venmar · Tue May 19, 2015 3:43 am

Lol after rewatching that Dorne scene the sand snake acting is pretty shit.

Still, I thought it was OK at the time.

Venmar · Sun May 24, 2015 4:57 pm

Wtf was that Sand Snake scene again

Why did we need that

Why poison the guy and then cure him

WHAT THE FUCK STOP TOYING WITH US WITH EMPTY PLOT

Venmar · Tue May 26, 2015 5:18 am

TBF, that rape scene still happened in the books just to a different character than Sansa (

Jayne Poole

)

Venmar · Wed May 27, 2015 3:22 am

In post 3481, RichardGHP wrote:because most viewers have never experienced that themselves. But rape is a grim reality and it strikes a sensitive nerve for some people.

Pardon me for being ignorant, but i'd wager that

most

people have never experienced rape first hand themselves. It is also just as much of a grim reality as torture and death, both of whom which are still common across the world, just probably not as much in the parts of world where they/we probably live in. I think it's more of that Rape is more disturbing and emotionally triggering for some people than just outright death or gruesome torture. We have been numbed to death because it is such a common theme in games, movies, and the news, and we all know a lot about torture to some extent, and know the cruel things people do. But Rape is a touchy subject that people don't really discuss or see on a regular basis, so when people come into contact with on GoT, they get more easily disturbed or made uncomfortable. So when people see the Jaime-Cersei scene in the chapel and the Sansa-Ramsey scene at Winterfell, it's like seeing an undead unicorn instead of a horse and you're instantly retarded by the picture.

Though people should just grow some balls because the show

is

about showing some of the more real aspect of human kind and rape was pretty common in medieval eras like this.

Venmar · Wed May 27, 2015 10:28 am

In post 3484, AniX wrote:
In post 3482, Venmar wrote:
In post 3481, RichardGHP wrote:because most viewers have never experienced that themselves. But rape is a grim reality and it strikes a sensitive nerve for some people.

Pardon me for being ignorant, but i'd wager that
most
people have never experienced rape first hand themselves.

A quick google search

I see.

Venmar · Thu May 28, 2015 3:53 am

I'll be extremely sad (surprised actually) if the "Pirate" isn't

Victarion

or

Euron.

We are way too overdue for those two, they were some of my favorite characters.

Venmar · Thu May 28, 2015 10:17 am

In post 3490, xRECKONERx wrote:it's absolutely the latter

I personally hope its the former, E is awesome but I think V is just a total badass.

Venmar · Sat Jun 06, 2015 9:13 am

I personally didn't like Blackwater as much as it is hyped up nowadays, I thought it was just a nice big explosions and then some fighting under a wall, wooooo sowhat

Venmar · Mon Jun 08, 2015 3:33 pm

Omg who the fuck cares

It's GoT

People need to stop having fits about shit they see in in this show.

Venmar · Mon Jun 08, 2015 3:43 pm

oh noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

Venmar · Mon Jun 08, 2015 4:42 pm

In post 3658, xRECKONERx wrote:
In post 3654, Venmar wrote:Omg who the fuck cares

It's GoT

People need to stop having fits about shit they see in in this show.

why do you bother posting

I think that when I see most posts on this site honey

Venmar · Tue Jun 09, 2015 11:59 am

In post 3663, xRECKONERx wrote:you're posting in a fucking thread ABOUT GAME OF THRONES and then saying "who the fuck cares" about game of thrones

Not saying that and you know it. I'm saying people should take the show less seriously. You know I love the show so

shrug.

Venmar · Mon Jun 15, 2015 7:16 am

I felt like the whole episode was rushing to get to each storyline and show a character dying. It felt very rushed and each death was poorly orchestrated, I actually just assumed someone would die each new scene and I would be right.

Also that Myrcella death felt cliche. Oh, she confesses that she loves Jaime as a father and that everything will be alright! Oh shit she's dead. So much for that.

Idk, this season has just been weak honestly.

Venmar · Mon Jun 15, 2015 8:12 pm

Jon Snowie doesn't have to be alive "alive" to be alive

Venmar · Fri Jun 19, 2015 3:56 am

Or that the arguments in that were ridiculous?

Venmar · Tue Apr 19, 2016 10:46 am

I'm hyped, albeit somewhat lukewarm since I feel that Season 5 was easily the show's lowpoint/weakest season yet.

Venmar · Tue Apr 19, 2016 1:28 pm

Season 5 deviated from those plotlines, look how that turned out.

Venmar · Mon Apr 25, 2016 4:50 pm

Honestly, I'm just a bitter book reader atm

Spoiler: My bitching about Book vs Show (ADWD Spoilers)

*deep breaths*

I still love the show. I can get behind show changes, but I truly believe the show versions of the book characters and stories is inferior at worst, they lack the intrigue and depth and the Dorne plotline and dialogue is evidence of how a non-GRRM constructed and worded scene would go; bad. I hate being that guy, sorry.

Venmar · Mon Apr 25, 2016 4:52 pm

Also, the conversation between Ramsay and Roose about "Did you see the killing blow (i.e. on Stannis)?" "No" was definitely pretty heavyhanded foreshadowing of Stannis still being alive.

Venmar · Wed Apr 27, 2016 1:53 pm

I think if all of the heirs die (i.e, Tommen AND Stannis die) the crown could begin passing down to the bastards since I think it wouldn't pass through the lannister line and all of the other Baratheons are kind of ded.

(which kind of makes me think, if Stannis is still alive, what would happen if Tommen dies. Does the rebellion just end and Stannis becomes the OG? lol)

Venmar · Wed Apr 27, 2016 5:34 pm

Jaime is a Kingsguard. Tyrion is a traitor

Would probably go to Kevin, Tywin's brother?

Venmar · Wed Apr 27, 2016 6:41 pm

Well based on my original post, I was arguing exactly that, that it wouldn't go down the Lannister line... which means the crown would have to either find some super obscure Baratheons or start finding bastards like Gendry. And since Stannis kind of burned his only child and Renly didnt have children, it'd probably go to Gendry or a different bastard.

Venmar · Thu Apr 28, 2016 5:43 am

Honestly everyone might grow old and die before Daenary's decides to actually do anything and go to Westeros.

Spoiler: book

Venmar · Mon May 02, 2016 1:16 pm

Honestly Tower of Joy next episode is my main anticipated scene of the season so I'm hyped for that

Also, anybody else worried that the

present Ramsey is getting in the preview might be Rickon?

Venmar · Mon May 02, 2016 2:18 pm

Season 1 was my favourite. 2,3,4 float behind, 5 has been the low point imo. I liked 4 quite a bit actually, I might rank it 1-3-4-2-5, but it's all based on preference, I like the books more so the more faithful first 2/3 seasons have appealed to me the most.

Venmar · Tue May 03, 2016 10:14 am

In post 3814, Aeronaut wrote:Well yea, but weren't you annoyed that the first season was almost LINE FOR LINE just the first book? It bugs me.

Not really, the show did a good job of taking a book and organizing it into 10 episodes for a season, which kind of already disproves your other point about not being able to stuff books into seasons. Season 3 and 4 were more or less both about the third book, ASOS, so it doesn't even have to be limited to one seasons, they could stretch it to ~2. I like Season 1 because it's the most pure exercise of the "Game of Thrones", where you got Ned, Cersei, Renly, and everyone else just trying to outmanoeuvre each other other as Robert nears his death. It's also the most intriguing season since it didn't need a Blackwater or Hardhome episode to make the seasons stand out.

That said, I'm cool with show changing things from the book, it keeps the show fresh for both types of viewers. Heck, some changes are better to their book parts, but like Iecerint and Rhinox said, those changes have to feel consistent and on-par with the book deviations in quality and depth. I personally feel like Season 5 has not done this too well, and I'm cool if others feels differently about it.

Venmar · Mon May 09, 2016 8:27 am

In post 3810, Venmar wrote:Also, anybody else worried that the
present Ramsey is getting in the preview might be Rickon?

Do I get a prize for being right?

Venmar · Mon May 09, 2016 8:29 am

Tower of Joy scene was a bit underwhelming. I knew they wouldn't do that scene justice, which I don't think they did by making Dayne look like a two-sword jackass and cutting a member from the Kingsguard.

Venmar · Fri May 27, 2016 8:12 am

I thought the last episode was very underwhelming. Euron doesn't look anywhere near as viscious as I thought he would and he just looks like a pudgy, out of shape asshole with a couple one-liners.

I rage-quit when they said that the White Walkers were made by the Children of the Forest. Like, FUCK YOU, THAT'S THE LAMEST THING I THINK I HAVE EVER HEARD. The downgraded the most mysterious, dangerous antagonists of the ASOIAF universe into asshole, gone-rogue bio-weapons. Fuck offfffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff

Venmar · Tue May 31, 2016 8:49 am

Same ^

Venmar · Mon Jun 06, 2016 4:01 pm

In post 3947, AniX wrote:It is obviously to King Stannis I. Since Brienne was responsible for sparing Stannis and Brienne is a sworn sword to Sansa she presumably told Sansa all about Stannis' continued life and where to find him. She clearly is keeping things from Jon so I see no reason she wouldn't do the same here (especially if Brienne revealed her yet as unknown reasons for sparing him).

And the scene RIGHT BEFORE is all about her trying to figure out whether to trust Stannis to join the fight: First interrogating Davos about Stannis and then interrogating Jon about Davos. Only after Jon vouched for Davos and Davos for Stannis did she take pen to paper. This is further strengthened by the formal nature of the letter with signature and seal. Littlefinger had already offered his support. She need not take the risk a formal decree would bring. The only one who would be swayed (even required it) by such formalities is the One True King.

Someone deciphered the message Sansa wrote, it's apparently meant for the Vale.

Spoiler: S6

Venmar · Tue Jun 14, 2016 6:16 am

Weak episode overall, but I appreciate that TBWB has been brought back. I want to see more of Gregor crushing dudes, dude's a badass.

Venmar · Wed Jun 15, 2016 5:10 am

Honestly I think S6 as a whole is somewhat weak. The only storyline that has been any good or rewarding so far has been Jon and Sansa, everything else has been playing catch-up, or, like the Dany plotline, has been just looping itself in ridiculous entrances and speeches.

Venmar · Thu Jun 16, 2016 4:21 am

In post 3999, Iecerint wrote:I think the intent was to set him up as a surprise Targaryen, or else to tease that to the fandom (re: 3 dragonrider theory).

So we got 4 more seasons of Dany and Tyrion in Essos while we wait for Jon to do his thing and come over?

Venmar · Thu Jun 16, 2016 4:28 am

Oh? They announced that they'll stop at a certain season?

Venmar · Thu Jun 16, 2016 4:41 am

That makes me happy actually. Hopefully a horizon to shoot for will urge characters to finally reach their conclusions; AKA, Arya and Dany finally return to Westeros for some epic shit

Venmar · Mon Jun 20, 2016 3:55 am

In post 4030, AniX wrote:I'm glad we got ANOTHER Deus Ex Machina army riding to the rescue at just the right moment when all seems lost.

See, this didn't bother me. It's been foreshadowed multiple times, we knew that

the Vale Army had been raised and that Petyr wanted to help Sansa. More over, we saw Sansa write to the Vale 2-3 episodes prior to this battle. Finally, a Rohan saving Gondor situation is never as bad as certain other Deus Ex Machina's. There were others in this episode, like Jon being saved by the two sides of cavalry conveniently reaching him at the same time, etc, but the DEM in this episode weren't that bad and though a bit cliche, they were great television.

That said, this episode might've single-handedly brightened my outlook on the season. The Daenarys portions were surprisingly great this time around. I am a bit worried now that the show isn't bound to the books it is finally able to start pleasing the fans by showing us what we've finally wanted to see: our heroes and loved characters finally winning, but we'll see how that goes.

I'm sure 75% of the entire seasons budget went into this episode too.

Venmar · Mon Jun 20, 2016 5:13 am

In post 4033, AniX wrote:That is exactly the OPPOSITE of what I want to see. I'm sick of happy endings.

Not very common in GoT... not to mention it's a bit weird to want endings shrouded in misery.

Venmar · Tue Jun 21, 2016 2:47 am

In post 4015, chamber wrote:--Daenerys has been a terrible ruler, and just lol dragon'sed to win.

I don't think Daenary's deserves to be considered to be a protagonist anymore. She's been proving time and time again that she might actually be becoming a "villain."

Venmar · Tue Jun 21, 2016 5:58 am

Well, she did just propose

burning down entire cities and crucifying human beings

. If that isn't morally wrong or indicative of a character getting the wrong ideas / beginning to lean to a villain then idk what is.

Venmar · Tue Jun 21, 2016 6:01 am

Or, y'know, use dragons to burn down white walker armies.

Venmar · Sun Jun 26, 2016 5:12 pm

I take it back, E9 and E10 are some of the best episodes the series has had yet.

Venmar · Wed Jun 29, 2016 3:23 am

In post 4131, chamber wrote:I kind of want the fight against the white walkers to just be them winning at the very end because of all the in fighting that's happened.

I feel like the North is going to just get completely rolled over by the White Walkers. Most of the North's manpower died with Rob in the South. The rest has been continually depleted by the war with the Greyjoys and now the fighting between Stark and Bolton. Three of the largest houses of the North, Bolton, Karstark, and Umber (especially the first) can be considered depleted and disgraced.

Even though they just proclaimed Jon as the KINDINDANORF, I feel like the manpower of the North is probably like a 1,000 guys without support from the Vale.

Venmar · Wed Jun 29, 2016 6:28 am

..what?

Venmar · Wed Jun 29, 2016 8:24 am

In post 4151, AniX wrote:
In post 4149, Venmar wrote:..what?
What part confuses you?

If you're referring to Cersei, she's powerless to do anything to the North or Vale, and if you're talking about Dany, she wouldn't kill them.

Venmar · Wed Jun 29, 2016 4:49 pm

In post 4154, AniX wrote:Cersei the Golden has the forces of Westerlands and at least one unstoppable zombie. I'm sure The Mountain wasn't some sort of unique specimen. If Qyburn can revive him he can revive others and march a zombie army. To say nothing of the other tricks they have up their sleeve.

Well Jon and Sansa have the North and the Vale to defend them, and have historically impregnable chokepoints, the Neck and the Bloody Gate.

More importantly, Cersei is about to get destroyed by the combined might of the Tyrells and the Martells. Daenary's is also about to arrive in Westeros. I estimate that her "reign" will be short but eventful. An army of Mountain zombies also sounds dumb, no offence, since it took

weeks

or something to transform Gregor. Making an army at that rate is literally fantasy. Not to mention we don't know the specifics behind the experiment, and it's possible Gregor becoming a super zombie was only possible because a man of his size and strength was able to endure the procedure.

Venmar · Thu Jun 30, 2016 3:55 am

In post 4159, AniX wrote:
In post 4156, Venmar wrote:
In post 4154, AniX wrote:Cersei the Golden has the forces of Westerlands and at least one unstoppable zombie. I'm sure The Mountain wasn't some sort of unique specimen. If Qyburn can revive him he can revive others and march a zombie army. To say nothing of the other tricks they have up their sleeve.
Well Jon and Sansa have the North and the Vale to defend them, and have historically impregnable chokepoints, the Neck and the Bloody Gate.

More importantly, Cersei is about to get destroyed by the combined might of the Tyrells and the Martells. Daenary's is also about to arrive in Westeros. I estimate that her "reign" will be short but eventful. An army of Mountain zombies also sounds dumb, no offence, since it took
weeks
or something to transform Gregor. Making an army at that rate is literally fantasy. Not to mention we don't know the specifics behind the experiment, and it's possible Gregor becoming a super zombie was only possible because a man of his size and strength was able to endure the procedure.
It was my assumption that it took that long because Qyburn was largely still experimenting. Now that he knows what worked and how it worked he should be able to speed up the procedure. Even if it takes weeks she has the luxury of time. Dany is going to take forever to reach Westeros and The North is going to have her hands full fighting Snow-zombies from further North especially when they find a way to go full Reagan and tear down the wall. The North will be fighting a war on two sides (both of which are employing zombies) long before Cersei does.

I don't think you realise that even if you were right, the North is literally the last thing she should care about. She actually, physically, can't give a shit if she has Tyrell and Martell armies marching on her from the south and the west while Daenary's lands on the eastern coast. She actually has no choice but to just let the North be.

Venmar · Thu Jun 30, 2016 1:47 pm

In post 4162, AniX wrote:That is correct if Cersei was thinking logically or tactically. I don't know if that is the case. Cersei has lost everyone she ever loved (and is about to lose Jaime). Cersei cared about winning the Game and she has.
I don't think she is overly concerned with keeping it so much as using to stick it to all her enemies.

Which is why she will fail

Venmar · Thu Jun 30, 2016 3:47 pm

No 'cause she won't try it.

Venmar · Sat Jul 02, 2016 3:32 pm

I think Westeros' best chances are holding the White Walkers at the Wall or bust; at least until Dany arrives. The Wall

is

magical and can presumably repel the White Walkers for a time until some weird magic on the part of the WW's brings it down, in which case the best chance Westeros has is preventing this from happening.

(Which makes me think one of the big CGI moments of next season will likely be the Night King exploding a portion of the wall down and then the camera panning up to show an endless horde pouring through the cracks)

Venmar · Thu Aug 10, 2017 5:47 am

"We have to rally against the White Walkers! We need to fight them or all die!"

4 episodes in, no sign of white walkers. Mkay.

Venmar · Thu Aug 10, 2017 6:00 am

I don't really think an expedited speed works very well for show of this kind of depth and scope. Most of Season 7 has been really fun and exciting and EPIC, but the way everything is being introduced and wrapped up with such speed is uncharacteristic for a show that in the past spent an entire season (season 2) to set up the downfall of a house (Starks at the red wedding in season 3), yet the Tyrells and Martells both seem to get incorporated and then crushed as allies over a two-episode arc. Factors such as the Tyrells logically should having more men and soldiers than the Lannisters anyways due to the former suffering less than the latter in the previous wars aside, I just can't help but roll my eyes as the show definitely feels like it's becoming more and more like regular, average, predictable tv show making with each season. Benioff and Weiss really aren't as smart as they think they are.

I still love the show, but it has to be realised that despite the epicness and awesomeness of dragons and potential white walkers this season, the show, from a narrative point of view, has gotten significantly more dumbed down ever since Weiss and Benioff ran out of books and had to rely on themselves.