Eurovision: The Thread

Plotinus · Post Post #22 (isolation #0) » Tue May 19, 2015 12:03 am

Don't get me wrong, I love Australia, but why are they are a part of Europe.

On second thought, please them let them join the EU too so I can emigrate.

Plotinus · Post Post #25 (isolation #1) » Tue May 19, 2015 12:55 am

It should be streamed on the web, but maybe not at a convenient time.

Plotinus · Post Post #32 (isolation #2) » Tue May 19, 2015 5:31 am

there are too many english songs this year!

Plotinus · Post Post #33 (isolation #3) » Tue May 19, 2015 8:15 am

first semifinal is happening!

http://www.eurovision.tv/page/webtv?program=132893

Plotinus · Post Post #35 (isolation #4) » Tue May 19, 2015 8:19 am

the Moldovan singers were hot. oooh but so is Armenia.

Plotinus · Post Post #36 (isolation #5) » Tue May 19, 2015 8:25 am

Belgium is underwhelming. and has flashing lights.

Plotinus · Post Post #37 (isolation #6) » Tue May 19, 2015 8:28 am

premonition that netherlands’ whyiyiyiyiyy song is going to win :/

Plotinus · Post Post #39 (isolation #7) » Tue May 19, 2015 8:30 am

the netherlands song reminds me of some other song but i cant remember which one.

Plotinus · Post Post #40 (isolation #8) » Tue May 19, 2015 8:31 am

props to Finnland for singing in Finnish.

Plotinus · Post Post #41 (isolation #9) » Tue May 19, 2015 8:38 am

yay a ballad. ballads are the best.

Plotinus · Post Post #43 (isolation #10) » Tue May 19, 2015 8:42 am

yeah

Estonia is great

Plotinus · Post Post #44 (isolation #11) » Tue May 19, 2015 8:44 am

Estonia’s lyrics aren’t that great though

Plotinus · Post Post #46 (isolation #12) » Tue May 19, 2015 8:46 am

Makedonijaaaaaaaaaa+++

boo moire patterns and singing in english.

Plotinus · Post Post #47 (isolation #13) » Tue May 19, 2015 8:49 am

I like that in junior eurovision they all have to sing in their own languages.

yay Srbija! boo singing in english!

oh she is hotttt.

Plotinus · Post Post #51 (isolation #14) » Tue May 19, 2015 8:54 am

it’ll get better later. hungary is missing the plot again.

Plotinus · Post Post #52 (isolation #15) » Tue May 19, 2015 8:55 am

oh god this is worse than last year.

Plotinus · Post Post #55 (isolation #16) » Tue May 19, 2015 8:58 am

yay is there going to be a violin?

….meh.

pedit: I cut my own hair actually.

Plotinus · Post Post #56 (isolation #17) » Tue May 19, 2015 8:59 am

or did you mean the 1980’s flashback on the stage?

Plotinus · Post Post #57 (isolation #18) » Tue May 19, 2015 9:00 am

he looks like Doogie Howser

Plotinus · Post Post #59 (isolation #19) » Tue May 19, 2015 9:04 am

Russia’s doing well, yeah.

remember in 2004 when Lane Moje almost won but then there were Russians ice skating and they won instead?

Plotinus · Post Post #60 (isolation #20) » Tue May 19, 2015 9:07 am

ooh was that Marija Serifovic next to Bojana?

Plotinus · Post Post #61 (isolation #21) » Tue May 19, 2015 9:09 am

underwhelmed by Denmark

Plotinus · Post Post #63 (isolation #22) » Tue May 19, 2015 9:14 am

it says Albania is singing in English but i can’t tell

Plotinus · Post Post #64 (isolation #23) » Tue May 19, 2015 9:18 am

Romania is pleasant

Plotinus · Post Post #65 (isolation #24) » Tue May 19, 2015 9:21 am

I want to like Georgia.

Plotinus · Post Post #68 (isolation #25) » Tue May 19, 2015 9:24 am

wikipedia says the genre is dark pop

Plotinus · Post Post #69 (isolation #26) » Tue May 19, 2015 9:24 am

the end.

VOTE: Serbia/Finland

Plotinus · Post Post #71 (isolation #27) » Tue May 19, 2015 10:04 am

i was happy about serbia! i wish finland had got in but i was happy with georia and estonia. but why belgium, belgium was unexciting.

Plotinus · Post Post #74 (isolation #28) » Thu May 21, 2015 11:33 am

i got distracted by playing mafia and it was half over by the time i remembered but i’m going to watch the finals for sure!

Plotinus · Post Post #81 (isolation #29) » Sat May 23, 2015 6:19 am

vote someone from one of the first two semifinals?

Plotinus · Post Post #84 (isolation #30) » Sat May 23, 2015 8:02 am

it's starting!

Plotinus · Post Post #85 (isolation #31) » Sat May 23, 2015 8:25 am

meh, Slovenija isn't do it for me. I love the country, hate this lady's voice

Plotinus · Post Post #86 (isolation #32) » Sat May 23, 2015 8:27 am

I'm liking France!

Plotinus · Post Post #87 (isolation #33) » Sat May 23, 2015 8:31 am

Israel isn't campy enough.

edit: retracted. it got campier towards the end.

Plotinus · Post Post #88 (isolation #34) » Sat May 23, 2015 8:35 am

yay Estonia! I still like this song four days later!

Plotinus · Post Post #91 (isolation #35) » Sat May 23, 2015 8:41 am

yeah, she's pretty! The estonian lady and the estonian man have good charisma too.

UK's song is OK but not spectacular. Sorry.

Plotinus · Post Post #93 (isolation #36) » Sat May 23, 2015 8:45 am

Armenia is ok and the singers are pretty. I like the patterns on the stage and the costumes.

pedit: yeah, it's is that. Eurovision is divided into two camps: the tryhard camp (former soviet bloc) and the campy camp (the big five, etc.). I'm from the tryhard camp so I really like ballads best but I can appreciate the campy camp sometimes.

Plotinus · Post Post #95 (isolation #37) » Sat May 23, 2015 8:47 am

I like Lithuania the country but this song is forgettable.

I wish everyone would sing in their own languages like on junior eurovision. it's boring listening to english all the time.

Plotinus · Post Post #99 (isolation #38) » Sat May 23, 2015 8:53 am

YAY SRBIJA YAY

I hope they win again like when Marija Šerifović won in 2007

(I'm actually hoping a bunch of different countries win. not putting all my eggs in one basket this year, though that worked out well for me last year with hoping for Conchita to win)

pedit: I think if UK took it more seriously and submitted popular artists or put pop songs they'd win more often. I am saying this not as a fan of pop music but based on which UK songs get radio play outside of the UK.

Plotinus · Post Post #100 (isolation #39) » Sat May 23, 2015 8:55 am

meh, Norway.

Plotinus · Post Post #102 (isolation #40) » Sat May 23, 2015 8:59 am

did the annoucner just say you don't need to use a phone to vote anymore because you can download an APP?

what do you download the app onto? what's that? a phone? oh goodness. i guess you still need a phone after all.

Plotinus · Post Post #103 (isolation #41) » Sat May 23, 2015 8:59 am

Sweden is pleasant.

Plotinus · Post Post #107 (isolation #42) » Sat May 23, 2015 9:03 am

True, Nexus.

ugh flashing lights. They have international sign language edition eurovision. is there migraine free eurovision? they could just make the screen go dark instead of flashing like that.

Plotinus · Post Post #108 (isolation #43) » Sat May 23, 2015 9:04 am

Cyprus is nice

Plotinus · Post Post #113 (isolation #44) » Sat May 23, 2015 9:08 am

Australia is the new UK

Plotinus · Post Post #115 (isolation #45) » Sat May 23, 2015 9:12 am

I'm happy that Australia is participating and I'd even be happy for them to join the EU (though nobody is proposing this but me and I'm no politician), but they're in the campy camp not the eurovision is serious business camp.

Belgium is ok.

edit: more flashing lights!

Plotinus · Post Post #116 (isolation #46) » Sat May 23, 2015 9:17 am

Austria is pretty great

Plotinus · Post Post #119 (isolation #47) » Sat May 23, 2015 9:20 am

morning N it is time to be watching eurovision http://www.eurovision.tv/page/webtv?program=132913

Plotinus · Post Post #122 (isolation #48) » Sat May 23, 2015 9:23 am

In post 120, N wrote:
In post 115, Plotinus wrote:I'm happy that Australia is participating and I'd even be happy for them to join the EU (though nobody is proposing this but me and I'm no politician), but they're in the campy camp not the eurovision is serious business camp.

You don't have to be in the EU to be in Eurovision tho???

I don't even know. It's been europe only since forever except they let Celine Dion in once? But there are lots of eurovision fans in Australia so they're honorary europeans this week and if they win then they can come back next year.

It would be better if instead of joining eurovision they joined the EU. then i could emigrate more easily.

I'm liking the Greece song! I am not usually liking the Greece song! I like Greek music just not the kind of Greek music that usually makes it to Eurovision. huh.

Plotinus · Post Post #123 (isolation #49) » Sat May 23, 2015 9:24 am

I don't have a TV. It's on TV in your country? I thought you weren't in Europe.

Plotinus · Post Post #126 (isolation #50) » Sat May 23, 2015 9:27 am

ooh I'm liking Crna Gora's song already. YAY Singing in OWN language. too many singing in English. And Montenegrin is such a pretty language.

Plotinus · Post Post #129 (isolation #51) » Sat May 23, 2015 9:30 am

meh Germany. should've sang in German.

Plotinus · Post Post #132 (isolation #52) » Sat May 23, 2015 9:35 am

Good job Polska! I hope she wins!

N: it is in Austria if i understood the question

Plotinus · Post Post #135 (isolation #53) » Sat May 23, 2015 9:38 am

oh, yeah. agree kinda. I was starting to wonder if I was outgrowing eurovision. but maybe it's just an off year.

high pitched Latvian Mariah Carey and flashing lights. grar

Plotinus · Post Post #137 (isolation #54) » Sat May 23, 2015 9:40 am

*ISOs self to remember what I thought of Sweden* oh yeah they were all right

Plotinus · Post Post #140 (isolation #55) » Sat May 23, 2015 9:43 am

I like Romania's song but it sounds like I should understand it because my brain keeps trying to parse it as two completely unrelated languages for no apparent reason.

Plotinus · Post Post #144 (isolation #56) » Sat May 23, 2015 9:45 am

make that three unrelated languages

pedit: but the Serbian singer is so sexy. i want her to win.

Plotinus · Post Post #145 (isolation #57) » Sat May 23, 2015 9:45 am

@Sleepy: Finland was okay if you like metal.

Plotinus · Post Post #146 (isolation #58) » Sat May 23, 2015 9:47 am

spain is ok

Plotinus · Post Post #149 (isolation #59) » Sat May 23, 2015 9:49 am

bleh how did hungary make the final

Plotinus · Post Post #151 (isolation #60) » Sat May 23, 2015 9:51 am

do you mean the postcard with the firefighters? that happens before each song.

Plotinus · Post Post #152 (isolation #61) » Sat May 23, 2015 9:54 am

oh Georgia is excellent I remember them.

Plotinus · Post Post #154 (isolation #62) » Sat May 23, 2015 10:00 am

Azerbaijan is ok

Plotinus · Post Post #155 (isolation #63) » Sat May 23, 2015 10:03 am

Time for the Federation of

Planets

Russia!

another ok but derivative song.

Plotinus · Post Post #162 (isolation #64) » Sat May 23, 2015 10:09 am

Albania is meh.

yeah youtube is easier.

Plotinus · Post Post #163 (isolation #65) » Sat May 23, 2015 10:11 am

Italia! and not singing in English! Yay!

VOTE: Italia

Plotinus · Post Post #165 (isolation #66) » Sat May 23, 2015 10:15 am

are we out of countries already? that was fast.

Plotinus · Post Post #167 (isolation #67) » Sat May 23, 2015 10:21 am

VOTE: France
VOTE: Estonia
VOTE: Serbia
VOTE: Cyprus
VOTE: Austria
VOTE: Greece
VOTE: Montenegro
VOTE: Poland
VOTE: Romania
VOTE: Spain
VOTE: Georgia
VOTE: Italy

...i liked more songs that I thought. I think I'll be happy this year. Surely one of my faves has to win. not actually voting though, sms voting costs money and i don't know if the app costs money or not but i don't have internet on my phone.

Plotinus · Post Post #168 (isolation #68) » Sat May 23, 2015 10:23 am

EV 44.44%

Plotinus · Post Post #171 (isolation #69) » Sat May 23, 2015 10:30 am

@wgeurts: I feel the same about my own country

Plotinus · Post Post #174 (isolation #70) » Sat May 23, 2015 10:33 am

are you still up or just waking up?

Plotinus · Post Post #177 (isolation #71) » Sat May 23, 2015 10:37 am

slovenia 2002 was better than slovenia 2015

Plotinus · Post Post #179 (isolation #72) » Sat May 23, 2015 10:40 am

IT'S THE FINAL COUNTDOWN THE FINAL COUNTDOWN THE FINAL COUNTDOWN

Plotinus · Post Post #180 (isolation #73) » Sat May 23, 2015 10:48 am

the kid is cute!

Plotinus · Post Post #185 (isolation #74) » Sat May 23, 2015 11:03 am

well, 2 of my faves are in the top 10 at least :/

Plotinus · Post Post #189 (isolation #75) » Sat May 23, 2015 11:10 am

announcer: it's all aout the music not the politics
serbia: 12 points to montenegro

Plotinus · Post Post #191 (isolation #76) » Sat May 23, 2015 11:12 am

denmark: 12 points to sweden

Plotinus · Post Post #193 (isolation #77) » Sat May 23, 2015 11:12 am

why is nobody giving points to france

Plotinus · Post Post #196 (isolation #78) » Sat May 23, 2015 11:16 am

finally they got their first 3 points

Plotinus · Post Post #198 (isolation #79) » Sat May 23, 2015 11:20 am

time for the australian vote!

Plotinus · Post Post #202 (isolation #80) » Sat May 23, 2015 11:28 am

In post 200, SleepyKrew wrote:
In post 102, Plotinus wrote:did the annoucner just say you don't need to use a phone to vote anymore because you can download an APP?

what do you download the app onto? what's that? a phone? oh goodness. i guess you still need a phone after all.

They were saying you don't need a phone number. They said it really awkwardly because these hosts are awkward.

oh. I was making fun of them, but thanks.

Plotinus · Post Post #203 (isolation #81) » Sat May 23, 2015 11:28 am

yay serbia is in the top ten again

Plotinus · Post Post #209 (isolation #82) » Sat May 23, 2015 11:38 am

I think Italy isn't going to catch up :/

Plotinus · Post Post #211 (isolation #83) » Sat May 23, 2015 11:41 am

N, you should send Missy Higgins or The Waifs next year.

Plotinus · Post Post #215 (isolation #84) » Sat May 23, 2015 11:45 am

In post 136, KittyMo wrote:Sweden is still my favorite

congrats

Plotinus · Post Post #221 (isolation #85) » Sat May 23, 2015 11:57 am

I like Sweden more on second hearing. They deserved to win.

pedit: I'm glad they didn't win too.

Plotinus · Post Post #223 (isolation #86) » Sat May 23, 2015 12:02 pm

oh yeah that would have been good. But I would hope for the safety of the singers in that situation, because it can be really scary.

time for the winner's press conference!

Plotinus · Post Post #227 (isolation #87) » Sat May 23, 2015 12:08 pm

She's the best!

Plotinus · Post Post #239 (isolation #88) » Mon Nov 16, 2015 5:42 pm

yay!

you guys should join the EU.

Plotinus · Post Post #247 (isolation #89) » Thu May 05, 2016 11:56 pm

so excited!

Plotinus · Post Post #251 (isolation #90) » Mon May 09, 2016 8:32 pm

COUNTDOWN TO THE FIRST SEMIFINAL: (expired on 2016-05-10 21:00:00)

http://www.eurovision.tv/

Plotinus · Post Post #252 (isolation #91) » Tue May 10, 2016 12:07 am

Plotinus · Post Post #254 (isolation #92) » Tue May 10, 2016 5:00 am

Three hours!

Plotinus · Post Post #256 (isolation #93) » Tue May 10, 2016 7:30 am

HALF AN HOUR

Plotinus · Post Post #258 (isolation #94) » Tue May 10, 2016 7:43 am

*FLAPS HANDS*

Plotinus · Post Post #259 (isolation #95) » Tue May 10, 2016 8:03 am

http://www.eurovision.tv/page/webtv?program=213563

Plotinus · Post Post #260 (isolation #96) » Tue May 10, 2016 8:17 am

Finland was ok.

Plotinus · Post Post #261 (isolation #97) » Tue May 10, 2016 8:25 am

Greece was also kinda forgettable.

DRENCH WHERE ARE YOU

Plotinus · Post Post #262 (isolation #98) » Tue May 10, 2016 8:26 am

I think I like Moldova but maybe the previous two songs just lowered my standards.

Plotinus · Post Post #263 (isolation #99) » Tue May 10, 2016 8:31 am

I want to like Croatia because I <3 Croatia but I don't actually like this song.

Plotinus · Post Post #264 (isolation #100) » Tue May 10, 2016 8:36 am

Netherlands! <3<3

Plotinus · Post Post #266 (isolation #101) » Tue May 10, 2016 8:45 am

i don't like San Marino.

the song before it was forgettable too.

Maybe Hungary will make it to the finals just because everybody else sucks too.

Plotinus · Post Post #270 (isolation #102) » Tue May 10, 2016 8:52 am

Russia didn't suck!

Liking this Czech thing

Plotinus · Post Post #271 (isolation #103) » Tue May 10, 2016 8:53 am

I loved Croatia's dress too but the song just wasn't doing it for me.

Plotinus · Post Post #273 (isolation #104) » Tue May 10, 2016 8:55 am

why do i feel like crying

Plotinus · Post Post #274 (isolation #105) » Tue May 10, 2016 8:56 am

Cyprus is ok

Plotinus · Post Post #275 (isolation #106) » Tue May 10, 2016 8:58 am

actually i think cyprus has a decent chance of winning.

Plotinus · Post Post #276 (isolation #107) » Tue May 10, 2016 9:01 am

would i like this austrian song if i spoke french?

Plotinus · Post Post #278 (isolation #108) » Tue May 10, 2016 9:02 am

"Loin d'ici" English lyrics -- meh.

Plotinus · Post Post #279 (isolation #109) » Tue May 10, 2016 9:02 am

eurovision was more fun when i was 18.

Plotinus · Post Post #280 (isolation #110) » Tue May 10, 2016 9:03 am

has eurovision change or has i?

Plotinus · Post Post #281 (isolation #111) » Tue May 10, 2016 9:04 am

oh my

hello Estonia

Plotinus · Post Post #283 (isolation #112) » Tue May 10, 2016 9:08 am

yeah but his voice is lickable

Plotinus · Post Post #284 (isolation #113) » Tue May 10, 2016 9:10 am

i'm a lezzie but eurovision brings out my inner gay male.

Plotinus · Post Post #286 (isolation #114) » Tue May 10, 2016 9:12 am

I like Azerbaijan well enough.

Which one is Petra Mede?

Plotinus · Post Post #287 (isolation #115) » Tue May 10, 2016 9:13 am

oh she's the presenter

Plotinus · Post Post #288 (isolation #116) » Tue May 10, 2016 9:15 am

Montenegro would be better if they sang in Montenegrin.

Plotinus · Post Post #289 (isolation #117) » Tue May 10, 2016 9:19 am

Iceland is gorgeous wow

Plotinus · Post Post #291 (isolation #118) » Tue May 10, 2016 9:21 am

I really like the language Montengrin. it's such a gorgeous language. everything sounds better in Montenegrin.

but they were singing in English

Plotinus · Post Post #292 (isolation #119) » Tue May 10, 2016 9:22 am

Bosnia's next and they're singing in Bosnian! Bosnian is similar to Montenegrin but it is less cute.

Plotinus · Post Post #294 (isolation #120) » Tue May 10, 2016 9:22 am

oh man this cellist is wow yes

Plotinus · Post Post #295 (isolation #121) » Tue May 10, 2016 9:23 am

Bosnia won't win but a guy can dream <3<3<3

Plotinus · Post Post #296 (isolation #122) » Tue May 10, 2016 9:25 am

Bosnia got better!

Plotinus · Post Post #297 (isolation #123) » Tue May 10, 2016 9:27 am

Malta's pretty good too

Plotinus · Post Post #298 (isolation #124) » Tue May 10, 2016 9:28 am

<3<3<3 BOSNIA <3<3<3
Estonia
Malta
Cyprus
Czech
----
everybody else

Plotinus · Post Post #300 (isolation #125) » Tue May 10, 2016 9:37 am

if anyone has money and wants to vote for bosnia I will give you a

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Plotinus · Post Post #301 (isolation #126) » Tue May 10, 2016 9:39 am

ugh this is the boring part of eurovision

Plotinus · Tue May 10, 2016 10:00 am

come on pls

Plotinus · Tue May 10, 2016 10:00 am

boo Hungary

Plotinus · Tue May 10, 2016 10:00 am

congrats Drench, Croatia got in!

Plotinus · Tue May 10, 2016 10:01 am

Congrats, Drench, Armenia got in too!

meanwhile I have 5 faves and there are only 3 slots left and 0 of my faves are in yet

Plotinus · Tue May 10, 2016 10:02 am

yay finally one I liked <3 Czech <3

Plotinus · Tue May 10, 2016 10:02 am

yay Cyprus

and why are people yelling RUSSIA RUSSIA RUSSIA when russia already got in

Plotinus · Tue May 10, 2016 10:03 am

come on bosna!

Plotinus · Tue May 10, 2016 10:03 am

yay Malta!

I am sad about Bosnia though they had the best song.

Plotinus · Tue May 10, 2016 10:05 am

i know

Plotinus · Post Post #313 (isolation #136) » Thu May 12, 2016 5:51 am

COUNTDOWN TILL THE SECOND SEMI FINAL

(expired on 2016-05-12 21:00:00)

Plotinus · Post Post #315 (isolation #137) » Thu May 12, 2016 7:27 am

ahahaha

eurovision is the best

Plotinus · Post Post #317 (isolation #138) » Thu May 12, 2016 7:34 am

western europe is all camp camp camp and eastern europe is all srs bsns, but eastern europe is campy even when we're being serious

Plotinus · Post Post #318 (isolation #139) » Thu May 12, 2016 7:50 am

10 minutes!

Plotinus · Post Post #319 (isolation #140) » Thu May 12, 2016 7:59 am

it's starting!

Plotinus · Post Post #320 (isolation #141) » Thu May 12, 2016 8:06 am

they say US is broadcasting it live too?

/inb4 next year america sends a singer to eurovision

Plotinus · Post Post #321 (isolation #142) » Thu May 12, 2016 8:07 am

this musical thing is so great

Plotinus · Post Post #324 (isolation #143) » Thu May 12, 2016 8:14 am

i hope there's a youtube video of it later it was so awesome.

I think I like this Latvian song but I'm not sure.

Plotinus · Post Post #325 (isolation #144) » Thu May 12, 2016 8:17 am

omg I'm in love with Poland

Plotinus · Post Post #328 (isolation #145) » Thu May 12, 2016 8:21 am

Poland was awesome shut up Drench <3

Hi Bella!

oh man Switzerland is hoTT

Plotinus · Post Post #330 (isolation #146) » Thu May 12, 2016 8:25 am

oh, i'm not good at determining pitch

Plotinus · Post Post #331 (isolation #147) » Thu May 12, 2016 8:25 am

I like Israel's hair

Plotinus · Post Post #332 (isolation #148) » Thu May 12, 2016 8:26 am

and i like Israel's song

Plotinus · Post Post #334 (isolation #149) » Thu May 12, 2016 8:32 am

legolas from belarus is something else

Plotinus · Post Post #335 (isolation #150) » Thu May 12, 2016 8:37 am

Serbia after my heart

Plotinus · Thu May 12, 2016 10:17 am

Plotinus · Post Post #339 (isolation #152) » Sat May 14, 2016 1:25 am

Georgia was terrible

Plotinus · Post Post #340 (isolation #153) » Tue May 17, 2016 2:22 am

This was the best thing:

also i'm so glad that Ukraine beat Australia!

Plotinus · Post Post #359 (isolation #154) » Sat May 13, 2017 8:05 am

it's starting!!

our song doesn't suck this year!!

Plotinus · Post Post #360 (isolation #155) » Sat May 13, 2017 8:21 am

Belarus is nice too

Plotinus · Post Post #361 (isolation #156) » Sat May 13, 2017 8:24 am

not that nice

Plotinus · Post Post #369 (isolation #157) » Sun May 14, 2017 5:33 am

yeah i didn't like the fast food songs thing either.

i didn't like most of the songs this year, i dunno why. i liked hungary and i liked belgium a little but most of the songs i woudn't listen to more than a couple times.