2016 NFL Football

[PJ.]

The years he had both a stable locker room and a good coach. He's only had two bad years. 1 was with a completely incompetent coach and the other was a combination of fading (or not quite there yet talent) and an unstable locker room. I think calling him lucky that he "caught people by surprise" is a disservice to Kaepernick. When he had his full season where he was a top 10 passer, teams had already had 11 games of tape on the guy. Kaepernick can ball if he's set up for success. I'm just not sure SF is.

[PJ.]

Can we all acknowledge that four games is a ridiculous ban. That's a quarter of the season. That's equivalent to a 20.5 game suspension in the NBA so let's call it 21. This is a comprehensive list of things that the NBA suspended for more than a quarter of the season: a domestic assault, a sucker punch, 2 guys involved in Malice in the Palace, 2 guys having guns in their locker, and LATRELL SPREWELL CHOKING HIS COACH. That's it. If you call it 20, you get 2 dudes with ACTUAL PEDS. Kelly Olynyk got 1 game for breaking Kevin Love's arm. Only guys in Baseball that get 40 games or more are steroid users. Brady suspension is really about sticking it to the Pats and Brady and not about justice for the not really crime.

[PJ.]

What Bella said.

[PJ.]

4 games for failing 3(4?) drug tests? At least he didn't possibly maybe deflate some balls and say no to illegal search and seizure, right?

[PJ.]

I'm pretty sure NE has won a superbowl with a much worse o line

[PJ.]

So Nick Foles.

Best fits in order:

1. Jets
2. Browns
3. 49ers
4. Cowboys
5. Broncos
6. Cardinals
7. Colts
8. Chargers
9. Bills
10. Falcons
11. Ravens
12. Patriots
13. Chiefs
14. Bears

BC Lions
Hamilton Tiger-Cats
L.A Kiss
Cleveland Gladiators

Goodbye Nick Foles.

Discussed.

[PJ.]

He's not far removed from a season where he threw 27 TDs and 2 INTs, there are plenty of teams who'll consider signing him.

The NFC East is like NFL fan fiction. I consider it non-canon.

[PJ.]

It's a small sample size, but Geno played totally fine last year to be fair. But would I expect him to be a top half starter? No. Fitz WAS a slightly better than average starter. I don't expect Fitz to have regressed and if Forte doesn't play like complete shit, Fitz should only be made better by him. Fitz is pretty underrated tbf. He played better than a number of guys who are considered tier 1 or 2 QBs last year.

Edit: HIS NAME ISN'T FUCKING FRITZ

[PJ.]

Umm. There are quite a few guys with better receivers than him (or at least equal) that he played better than, ftr.

[PJ.]

https://theringer.com/nick-foles-sam-br ... .bwxe4st9h

QBs that Fitz played better than last year with comparable WRs: Bortles, Osweiler/BrokenPeytonManning, Bad Manning, Matty Ice, Aaron Rodgers, Andrew Luck.

[PJ.]

Better DYAR and DVOA. Only real sore thumb stat that would give Rodgers the nod is INTs. Even then Fitz only had 5 more TOs then Rodgers did.

[PJ.]

Sorry that you are wrong. Bad manning was a below average QB last year. Rodgers was a merely average one.

And yes Bad Manning as in the Manning that hasn't been Good Manning for the 16 of the last 18 years or some shit. Feel free to add Carr to the list if you want as well.

[PJ.]

Yeah, I saw an article saying he was a good fit there. But he didn't want to be a backup to Goff. Why would he want to be a backup to Wilson?

contender

[PJ.]

@Nero.
2 things man.

1st: Serviceable starting QBs basically come in 2 flavors. Rookie contract and 100m contract guy. Just the mere fact that Fitz is going to be a guaranteed serviceable QB that cost 4m and 4.5m less than the next 2 guys(Andy Dalton and Carson Palmer) is a victory. But add to the fact that this is ONLY a 1 year deal and ISN'T a franchise tag, it's kind of a steal.

2nd: Would you willing to bet your job and possibly your career that Geno is going to be an average to good starting QB this season? I definitely wouldn't.

[PJ.]

I think it should be noted that even if Green is the best pass catching tight end the world has ever seen, in Haley's system he's still only gonna get 550 yards. So if his blocking contributions are significantly less than Miller's would be, it's going to be a net negative.

[PJ.]

I think he was on the team before, he was just promoted.

[PJ.]

Canada

[PJ.]

I wouldn't doubt it, they have a career arena back up and a 24 yo rookie (from the conference I played in during high school no less). I have faith Geno could slot right in.

[PJ.]

On a serious note, idk why teams are so slow to cut bait on these shittos. QB is really motherfucking hard and if you can't do it after 3 years in the big time, you just can't do it. You're a shitto for life. Plain and simple man. There are unemployed guys I would 100% take over geno. Lindley, Freeman, Yates. Those guys are all various level of bad too but I'd trust all of them to not suck as bad as Geno. You gotta fill out a roster but it's tough to do that with a QB that only played a spread and can't run ANYTHING else. I'd rather go with one of the greener guys moving forward on any roster than slot a shitto like Geno. He's a dead spot. His cut-level talent. Just release him and hope Petty or Hack is the answer.

[PJ.]

Alex Smith always kinda looked like Alex Smith though(Full disclosure : Alex Smith is from my neighborhood and played pop warner with my cousins and Bush). A guy who could be perfectly serviceable in a decent scheme and manage the game. Kurt Warner is a fair point but just because 1 bag boy goes on to have a near hall of fame career doesn't mean we should be keeping a bag boy on every roster, ya know? And what's the difference between Geno and Hack and Petty right now? They are all bag boys to me. The only true difference is Geno is a certified bag boy the other two we just speculate they are.

[PJ.]

I'm too lazy to look the stats up, but I think Freeman was putting it all together after a couple of decent years and had his career completely torpedo'd by that shithead D coach from rutgers that got the TB job a few years back. The one that tried to cheese NYG on a kneel down and was like "NO WE PLAY HARD EVERY SNAP BLAH BLAH". If he had a different landing spot than TB, I think he would of been pretty good actually.

As far as late bloomers go, don't they normally happen after a major sport wide shift in tactics and/or a promising guy that got derailed by injuries and came back after a long lay off? I think Kurt Warner fits in one of those categories. Shaun Livingston(basketball) is kinda in both camps. I can't think of any guy in the sport I follow that really just turned it on after years of not really being able to figure it out. But I agree the examples are few and far between cause most sports don't have time to wait.

[PJ.]

In Freeman's case, it was being traded to the Vikings and thrown in the lineup before he'd had time to learn their offence that really killed his career. He's never been any good since.

US sports with their franchise model, rookie drafts and - particularly for the NFL - lack of a real minor league system are structurally configured against late bloomers. Randy Johnson's probably the best example in US sports, and baseball has the best minor league system in US sports. It's more common (though obviously bot that common) in sports like soccer, where most of the world operates promotion/relegation systems that allow players who peak later in lower divisions climb higher and make their mark when they';d otherwise be forgotten - Jamie Vardy and Rickie Lambert are more recent examples, off the top of my head.

Some of it is also pure numbers, right? Soccer specifically has 5 major leagues, right. So "success" can be quantified a little differently. There are basically 100 GK1 spots in top level soccer, vs 32 QB1 spots in football. And it kinda goes all the way down the line. If you're in the top 300 GKs on the planet, you have a very high chance of being somewhere in the top level, where if you're in the top 300 QBs, you probably are a bag boy, and only a tenth of those guys every have any hope playing regularly. So you can be successful without successful.

[PJ.]

No need to carry 4 QBs, there'll always be a Matt Flynn or whatever you can pick up as a veteran presence when Romo inevitably gets hurt.

Basically this. As we mentioned early, QBs exist in eternal free agency for people to sign at will when things get dicey. More 2 I'll be joining I'm sure. Clipboard Jesus is unsigned.

[PJ.]

No need to carry 4 QBs, there'll always be a Matt Flynn or whatever you can pick up as a veteran presence when Romo inevitably gets hurt.

So about that...

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/20 ... e-in-back/

One of the comments on that article was about how the bucs would call JJ to ship Mike Glennon. If I'm Jones I'm not sure I take that phone call.

[PJ.]

I think Dallas defense is a little underrated.

[PJ.]

I thought that line was 10/10.

[PJ.]

dude, reck, don't go down to that level.this stupid "ego" posting thing is for shittos. You're waaaay better than that

[PJ.]

anything is better than ego. literally anything. "stemin willie beamin i keep all the ladies creamin'". literally anything.

[PJ.]

FTR espn app def buzzed me like 6 times about teddy b

[PJ.]

Mcclain good too. Claiborne also isn't a total idiot

[PJ.]

AP been running against 8 and 9 in the box his whole career.

[PJ.]

Mcclain good too. Claiborne also isn't a total idiot

Which McClain are you talking about? Rolando McClain's suspended for 10 games and doesn't even have a locker at the practice facility. Terrell McClain's played 16 games in a season once (and didn't start any of them). Claiborne's reported to have had a good camp, but I'll believe it when I see it in actual games - he's pretty much been a bust in his game action so far. The rest are a completely uninspiring bunch, and they don't have a Belichick level coach to make chicken salad out of their collection of chicken shit.

Rolando but he seems to be a man without a country? Apparently he tested positive for drank? This is bizarre

[PJ.]

Jim. Bob. Cooter.

[PJ.]

AFC East
Patriots(1)
Jets (6)
Bills
Dolphins

AFC North
Bengals(3)
Steelers
Browns
Ravens

AFC South
Colts(4) (Luck is back and I have faith he will bounce backfrom a very bad/weird year)
Titans
Texans
Jaguars

AFC West
Chiefs (2)
Broncos(5)
Raiders
Chargers

NFC East
Washington (4)
Giants
Eagles
Cowboys

NFC North
Packers (3)
Lions (5)
Vikings
Bears

NFC South
Panthers (1)
Saints
Bucs
Falcons

NFC Best
Cardinals (2)
Seahawks (6)
Rams
49ers

AFC
Bengals>Jets
Colts<Broncos

Pats>Broncos
Chiefs<Bengals

Pats>Bengals

NFC
Packers<Seahawks
Washington<Lions

Panthers>Seahawks
Cardinals>Lions

Panthers<Cardinals

Cardinals>Pats

[PJ.]

Do I think that division is worst divison in afc and jax will be the ones to get out alive? Yes

You see the cool kids picking the Texans to win the division?

Those kids know what's up.

Get Lucked.

[PJ.]

Because this thread is filled with people around my age, meaning people too young to see boomer esiason but old enough to remember years and years of hilarious futility and the ability to snatch defeat from the jaws. In short: the Bungles.

[PJ.]

Do people actually think the Texans D is good or is that just code for "have JJ Watt and that's enough"

[PJ.]

Castoffs, role players, and Davon House

[PJ.]

uh....guys....Sam Bradford has a 17 million dollar cap hit in 2017.........

[PJ.]

Still, when Teddy B comes back, they have a guy they can't cut and is a massive drain on the cap. Re:Texans, how much of Merculis' production is a product of playing opposite Watt though? Jackson is definitely not consistent, Wilfork is OLD, Clowned isn't who we thought he was, at least not yet. I think Texans D is a little overstated.

[PJ.]

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[PJ.]

There was a big article a year or so back(i don't remember where), that one of the effects of the concussion fines and stuff is guys going for legs, and a bunch of receivers are actually making deals with DBs pre-game, saying "I'll pay all your fines, no knee shots".

There were a lot of head shots in that game, and there was a lot of like "head shot gamesmanship". Von got in late a few times and like forearm smash cam in the helmet several times, And there was a lot of arm to the head tackles on stewart too.

I would like to mention the otherside of it: Cam took those head shots, hard. One was at the end of the game after he was seemingly knocked unconscious earlier in the game. I know he's the MVP, and he's important to the team in a 2 minute drive situation, but concussion protocol is supposed to be not a joke. Every time a big time player is kept in a game towards the end, despite being probably concussed, it makes concussion protocol more and more of a joke.

Also, let's not forget what exactly won the game, and not blame it solely on the headshots.

[PJ.]

I'm watching the Miss St game and they have been talking about Dak Prescott for like 25 minutes.

[PJ.]

100% agree. If the NFL was taking concussions seriously, it'd mandate a timeout that doesn't count against either team and thoroughly check the suspected concussion before the game resumes. It's the only fair way to ensure neither team gets an advantage from such a situation.

This is already in place. There are a bunch of guys in blue hats that are concussion experts, and medical personnel up in the booth that can call a medical timeout at any time. But this guys seem to be of the "fight doctor" quality. "I know you have a broken hand, but if you tell me you can fight then we'll start it up".

[PJ.]

They are supposed to make sure a guy gets tested when warranted. There was definitely enough smoke there to look for fire.

[PJ.]

Also, Colts D is mostly the cause of injury. Saints just don't have anybody.

[PJ.]

[*] Wow am I eating crow on the Pats missing the playoffs due to suspension and injury. This is bullshit. Belichick is OP as fuck. I'm complaining to the admins about bastard mod bullshit.

That must be tough for you to Garoppol with.

[PJ.]

boo panzer no

Shut up Zito.

You are Brocked and Loaded. You smell what the Brock is cooking, ready to Brock and Roll, ready to play some Brock, paper Scissors. Do you know what your favorite movie is? A Brockwork Orange. Favorite Song? Brock the Kasbah. And if you EVER...EVEEEERRRRRR boo me again, I'm gonna knock your Brocks off.

[PJ.]

boo panzer no

Shut up Zito.

You are Brocked and Loaded. You smell what the Brock is cooking, ready to Brock and Roll, ready to play some Brock, paper Scissors. Do you know what your favorite movie is? A Brockwork Orange. Favorite Song? Brock the Kasbah. And if you EVER...EVEEEERRRRRR boo me again, I'm gonna knock your Brocks off.

boo

Brock your socks off?

[PJ.]

I'm just glad my hawks aren't gonna lose next week.

[PJ.]

I said it last year, goff is trash

[PJ.]

I saw Kenny Britt drop an easy one and it was pretty funny. Gurley is good, line is fine, receiver is an issue, but they just flat do not have an NFL QB on their roster. I feel Goff got the Sanchez treatment because there was no big name QB at the top of the draft but they need QBS at the top end because a first 10 picks of ol dl does not make money. This year looks like it can mostly be more of the same as the current crop of top guys don't look incredibly impressive.

[PJ.]

So. Last year, Texans QB threw an int in his first throw. Osweiler threw one in his 3rd. How do you feel about the 300% improvement in QB play, zito?

[PJ.]

Goff is garbage. He belongs in the dumpster.

[PJ.]

PEG, I have a hilarious DFS lineup to show you. If it wins, we can laugh at scrubs.

It has McCown on it.

[PJ.]

Stupid NFL tv rules.

[PJ.]

What's better, a college qb turned pro receiver at qb or a college receiver turned pro qb at qb?

[PJ.]

Kessler is exciting!

[PJ.]

Wentz is also exciting!

[PJ.]

I only saw the first half last night, but damn Wentz is the real deal.

The Steelers-Eagles game next week is going to be a tough one.

Don't crown him yet. Yeah, he's looked real good, but he's only played the Browns and the Bears, who're two of the worst teams in the NFL thus far.

And he got hit quite a few times p hard.

[PJ.]

ya wentz needs to learn what RG3 couldnt.

GET OUT OF BOUNDS HOLY SHIT.

wentz could totally be the real deal if he doesn't get evaporated first.

[PJ.]

Maybe they should start Pryor in both spots. He can throw to himself like little kid in the backyard style.

[PJ.]

Well that's clearly not true right. They certainly have a weakness. Their QB only threw for 103 yds and Blount had to carry the rock 24 times. They have a very clear and defined weakness. It just doesn't matter. Which is terrifying.

[PJ.]

Well, yeah. That's why it's terrifying.

[PJ.]

NEW England Patriots. Not the England Patriots. Cheer for your own super powerful sports teams.

[PJ.]

I wish I had a super powerful sports team

[PJ.]

Dude, what if patriots become a triple option team next week? That'd be great. They have the personnel

[PJ.]

I swear I used to like Edelman a week ago, but now I hate him

[PJ.]

Darth Bellachik more like.

[PJ.]

Gordon to rehab. Delays return. Very weird that he didn't go to rehab prior to 4 DAYS before his suspension was up.

[PJ.]

I don't care if he comes back and plays good. I just want him to be okay. I feel for guys like him and Blackmon. There are clearly issues there under the surface and I just wish them to be healthy and have a good life. If he can come back and pick up a couple of checks, then all the better. I didn't mean to sound like a fantasy goon or anything. Although, full disclosure: if he had announced he was going to rehab 2 days sooner, i probably would have picked up Pryor over Crowder for my prime waiver spot in the MS league.

[PJ.]

I figured with Coleman and gordon coming back, it was over for pryor.

[PJ.]

lol

[PJ.]

Holy shit man, Phillip Rivers seriously must be the vice president of the throw for 350 yrds and lose club

[PJ.]

0 percent chance McCoy goes down mid season.

[PJ.]

Yeah 98. I just looked too lol. But yeah they even gave Mike Reilly a whole year to right the ship after the 1-15 season. Like spanos ain't firing someone midseason again ever I don't think.

[PJ.]

I say bring back Marty! San diego can be like Dallas and play 90s football.

[PJ.]

under

[PJ.]

Browns parting with Gordon "one way or another" before Tuesday. This rubs me the wrong way man. I know it's a business, I know it's about winning but man...you should of got rid of him before he got out not after. It's just not right, man.

[PJ.]

But you can't get the good will for saying you guys support him 100% and he's family ect, then say he is gone no matter what 2 days after he gets out of rehab. Either tell it straight from step 1, or stick by the guy. Idk man, maybe I'm wrong but fuck man. It seems bad

[PJ.]

No, they are saying the exact opposite of that by saying they are trading or cutting him two days after he's out of rehab. That's a football decision; to clear a roster spot/cap space/acquire assets. It's not a human decision. Putting him in an unstable and stressful situation days after he leaves rehab is fucked up and says everything beside "he is family and we care about his health ". But it didn't happen, so it doesn't matter what they are saying.

[PJ.]

Nice onside kick, Boswell.

But the one he did in college was LIT

[PJ.]

My take on the Dak-Romo debate:

Romo should start and he probably will, BUT he will then get hurt AGAIN because he's made of duct tape and glass, Dak goes back and makes a crucial rookie mistake in the playoffs. Cowboys lose.

Is there a debate? Dak should play. Period.

[PJ.]

So, what do you guys think of an NFL Minor League? You know something like the American Hockey League, but for Football.

Personally i'm in favor of it if I can finally get a Harrisburg football team to go along with my beloved Senators

it's called the NCAA
and the labor is free so you'll never be able to compete with it

I laughed then I cried.

[PJ.]

For what? A legal hit?

[PJ.]

Clean hit, good call holding up the rules on injury timeouts and forcing kicker to leave the game as indicated by the fucking injury rules. Sorry haters.

[PJ.]

About Romo: Jerry won't trade him cause he's gay for romo, but if he did, either the Jets or 49ers would trade away the farm for him and the Cowboys get a shit ton of draft picks to build around Dak. Hershel Walker 2.0

No one would trade away much of anything for Romo.

Not even the Browns.

I think it's somewhere in between.

[PJ.]

Clean hit, good call holding up the rules on injury timeouts and forcing kicker to leave the game as indicated by the fucking injury rules. Sorry haters.

Blandino's already admitted it should have been an unnecessary roughness foul, which would have let the kicker stay in the game.

Boooo, system is rigged.

[PJ.]

Booooooo goodell is corrupt